This gun was was designed for a one shot taken at point blank distance. If you r planning on fighting taliban in Afghanistan I suggest switching to a tank.
@imaracisthomophobic bigotsnowflakebitchfckmylife An rpg (at least the old ones the taliban have accses to) can not feasably take out an abrams, since they would be spotted by the commander's FLIR system or they simply couldn't penetrate it
I was a Detective with a city police department. We carried the S&W Chief Special. Works well under a suit jacket and doesn’t destroy the lining. Most shootings take place within 4 to 6 feet. Therefore we practiced “combat” shooting. You simply clear leather and start shooting from the hip. You are correct, if you work/live where you’re in a crowd this is a fine weapon, if you gotta take time to aim it, you’re likely to be dead before you pull the trigger. With a 5 or 6 shot wheel gun, you need to be exceptionally accurate, reloading isn’t easy! I use hollow point silver rounds. My second job was a fraud investigator for a bank. These rounds hit hard and come apart inside! And the great thing is I don’t have to worry about my background! Yes, he does run funny!
You shoot from the hip in a crowd? Oh yea, you're definitely a cop. No regard for the safety of anyone around you and you think aiming is a waste of time, classic cop mentality
@@freddymcgee6762 of course that is what he meant.... those people with those comments have such an attack anyone's comment mentality, that of course they would think he meant it in the way they thought... idiots
35 years with a snubby revolver and never had this issue. If you grip the gun properly and with a firm but not a deathgrip, you'll never have a problem. The gentleman that posted this video is clearly a novice at handling and executing a firearm properly.
Fired off 70 rounds of 357 Magnum and 200 more in 38 Special+P on a nice long day at the range one weekend, only had some light skin chafing on the web of my thumb because of the cold weather. It's 100% a grip issue.
Firing a gun isn’t for everyone perhaps the gentleman who posted the video could solve his issue by investing in some pepper spray and a defensive whistle ?
I’m 220lbs and pretty fit and strong and I shoot a smith and Wesson 340pd .357 which is a light weight stubby like in the video and 6-7 of my buddies (all police officers) all carry the same gun off duty and everyone of them will say the same thing, these guns suck to shoot! They bite you every time. We shoot every weekend and the 340 pd sucks with .38 ammo and hot . 357 is just a nightmare. They are louder than all of my other guns too. They put my Ak to Shame when it comes to rupturing the ear drum. So the grip doesn’t matter as much as you say. Most men who know their way around guns have a decent enough grip and it won’t make a damn difference that gun will still suck to shoot and is an unpleasant experience.
Dude is scary--needs more training. I don't think he was every military or LE. He should not run with the gun for one, walk briskly maybe, but don't run--two, he shouldn't be pointing it up in the air when he is moving, point it out or away from the body, and please don't touch the trigger. I know, holster it every time you have to run and then get into a stance then unholster it.
22 years on Philadelphia PD, then qualifying every year thereafter, often with snubbies...NEVER encountered such a problem. The snub nose revolver was not intended to be aimed at a target 30-50 feet away (nor to be reloaded on the run). Any revolver I’ve ever fired is far more comfortable than my LCP .380. It’s a matter of using the right tool for right job.
@@anthonyblankenship4794 Number one: NEVER give one ounce of credence to anything you see on TV or read about police work. And that includes the Media. Most cops-then and now-are decent, honest people trying to make things right. To me that essentially means protecting those too weak to protect themselves. Don’t go into the job thinking it’s going to be mostly Starsky and Hutch car chases and shootouts. The most accurate description I’ve ever heard is that it’s hours of tedium with moments of terror interspersed. What I recall most fondly are the times I knew that people were legitimately happy to see me, whether it was helping a lost motorist or just patrolling a dark subway platform at night. Little things like that stay in your memory, more so than the sporadic high-speed chases and violent street confrontations. Just don’t try to be your own private version of Jack Reacher. I've been around one or two guys like that, and I was always glad to be away from them. You’ll get to know kind soon enough. (They are seldom in a good mood!)
The best thing about a concealed hammer snubbie is that you can keep it in your jacket pocket, and you can fire right through your jacket for self defense if needed. Once you display a weapon, you have an incident. Being able to defend yourself without displaying a weapon is a big plus.
Also, picture this scenario. You're walking down the sidewalk and approaching you from the other direction are a couple of low-lifes. You are not in a position to go to the other side of the street. Their intent to do you bodily harm might not be apparent until the last second. Having your snubbie in your jacket pocket, aimed at the bad guys, with your finger on the trigger, ready to fire is much better than having to reach for a concealed weapon. By the time the attack starts, it may be too late for that. (And that's what the bad guys are counting on.) If the use of deadly force becomes immediately necessary, you are able to react much faster. And if the attack doesn't happen, the potential bad guys never knew you had a weapon pointed at them.
@@joeguy6351 They are NOT hammerless revolvers. Every revolver has a hammer or it couldn't fire. This type of revolver has the hammer within the frame, covered and not visible. The advantages are, you are much less likely to have an accidental discharge in a stressful situation because a cocked revolver has a hair trigger that requires very little pressure on the trigger to fire. Secondly lint and dirt can't get into the inner workings of the firearm. Now a double action only (DAO) revolver will require more practice to become efficient with. For concealed carry however, most knowledgeable people choose this double action only type of revolver.
I've been reading a lot of comments about snubbies being a "belly gun" or "card table distance" or a "get off me" gun. Well, Massad Ayoob (well known and well experienced), once testified in court that he would consider someone armed with a snubbie to be a lethal threat within 150 yards. When questioned about this, he replied "because I'm a lethal threat within that distance." When the prosecution didn't want to accept that testimony, he went and proved it. Long story short, while it's true that most of us are limited in how far we can accurately use a snubbie, it is capable of much much more in practiced hands.
Ayoob is quite a “ legend”……at least in his mind. He certainly has a following and interesting credentials. I just would love to see a legitimate resume. He talks like his 20 or so years as a police officer, retiring as a Captain, was out of a precinct in L A. Not quite….. I believe he was a reserve in a 5 man department. With that as the apparent foundation, I’d love to hear the “ rest of the story” I’ve suggested he post a resume, but get zero response. He’s convinced a lot of credible folks of his expertise. If you tell me there is a UFO parked in my front yard, I’d like to take a look before I agree.
Although I’ve never had the problem you describe I’d suggest wearing a glove while practicing. Using a snubbie for PD is a great choice keeping in mind that scenario it will probably be 3 feet, 3 shots, 3 seconds. If you have to reload you did something wrong.
I have never seen anyone cut their hand on a snub nose firing 38 special ammo. This has more to do with your choice of grips and ammo. Replace the grips with the "pachmayr SJ-C"; and, load the revolver with a low recoiling load of your choosing. You have already proven that the gun is the easiest for you to carry. By choosing a better grip and lighter recoiling ammo, it will also be easy to shoot. Wadcutters, or similar loads, should be easy to shoot in both the alloy and steel j-frames.
I have been bit by small semi auto pistols. I didn't know revolvers could bite. I'm looking at the ruger LCR for pocket carry. It has padding in the grip for recoil management.
Your idea of "The Truth..." is Nonsense. I own the hammerless Airweight Chief's Special and have shot it a thousand times without a scratch or malfunction. I used the same revolver to train my wife in the use of firearms. We both enjoy shooting this revolver very much. Not sure what caused your problem (would hazard to guess that it's only your problem. Certainly never heard of it before now) but this gun has been the off duty and backup carry weapon of choice for countless law enforcement officers, as well as the first handgun purchaced by civilian shooters for decades!
I have 8 snubbies, some in .38 and some in .357. I have never had a problem shooting them. I don't consider an airweight .357 a range toy but have no problem putting a box of ammo through it. I can and have regularly put a couple boxes of .38 +P through my 642 which is a constant companion the last 4 years. It is more accurate at distance than most people can shoot. I've put over 4000 rounds through it and the trigger is smooth and easily staged if you want to. Snubs are NOT beginners guns or ideal for women as many recommend. They take more practice than many are willing to do. They will get the job done if you do yours. They are the easiest to carry as well. It's not the only gun I carry, but it is the only gun I always carry.
Easy to carry and simple to use= best for emergency, adrenaline pumping moments. Marines taught me bleed in training so you don't bleed in combat. Most defensive shootings are less than 3 rounds fired anyway so you won't bleed the way you did because not a lot of rounds will be fired. A custom grip specific to your hand/grip helps too.
I’ll be 70 and not ‘running’ anywhere. 642 EDC w/+p pocket holster. Every few visits to the club I put some rounds through it to maintain familiarity and try to improve each time. I like it though it kicks !
This has happened to me and also to someone I was with at a range who was using a Ladysmith 38. It is a simple fix. Your grip is too high on the butt. Gripping the butt about 1/2 to 3/4 inch lower will fix the problem. This fix will actually produce more felt recoil, since the energy release is higher in relation to your hand, but it will fix the problem of the biting.
You grip the gun to hit the target not to avoid pain or cuts. If you have grips that are standard size, you cant grip it any lower. You only can get two fingers on the grip as it is. I shoot only full power 357 magnum ammo through mine. You're going to bleed if you shoot it too many times. I mean you could wear a glove I suppose. Or just stop shooting it before it makes you bleed. I can't believe that a j frame in 38 special could cause anyone pain or their hand to bleed. The only way you could even grip it 1/2 inch lower is if you had those ridiculous over sized grips on it. You want to grip it high so that it kicks straight back as opposed to flipping up. So you can keep it on target for faster follow up shots. That's the advantage of the 640 over the other j frames.
@@austinwhite3132.... Em, because snubby revolvers are just more difficult to shoot than semi-auto pistols. Anybody who trains and/or shoots often will tell you that.
my best friend picked that very gun, S&W 442, for his wife for her first gun, then he couldn't figure out why she hated shooting it. I told him it was the worst gun for a new shooter. I traded him my dad's old S&W model 14 for it, and gave him about 300 target wadcutters for her to shoot. She is like Rambo now. that model 14 was about twice as heavy as the airweight, and super accurate, so low recoil and great positive reinforcement for being accurate from the start.
Young Sir, you are in a cold climate, the temperature has an adverse effect on your skin. Gloves and as you yourself suggested a set of stocks that cover the backstrap extending up high will help remedy the comfort issue.
@@virgil8574 Check out from reputable, proven manufacturers like Hogue, Altamont, Pachmayer, others and gun show vendors and ebay for products from discontinued lines like Spigel, Butler Creek and Uncle Mikes. Litterally no exaggeration you could find more than 100 choices no 2 alike.
@@virgil8574 Altamont has some nice combat grips for J frames. They completely cover the metal backstrap and are just long enough for me to get all my fingers wrapped around the grip. At the moment I have a Crimson Trace LG 305 laser grip on my 637. Same amount of grip area as the altamonts with the added benefit of some rubber cushioning. My 637 is a pussy cat with either of those grips on it , even when shooting +P rounds.
I used to get a blister on the web of my thumb and forefinger shooting my K6S, I learned to grip it differently (lower and lighter grip which I was worried I would lose control or have the gun decide it was time for flying lessons) which eliminated the blistering issue. Didn't lose any control, I found that gripping tightly worsened the problem but I am still learning and discovering the best way to shoot my revolver. As for reloading I carry and use the 5-Star speedloaders in a split six pouch. I practice reloading that gun regularly, it's getting faster and more natural. The real issue I have is not getting all spent shells to eject and needing to waste time looking down to pull them out.
I got an old colt det. special and sold my airweight - it was such a night and day difference in shooting and the colt really doesn't feel that much bulkier in return for how much more comfortable it is to shoot.
I've had the 442 damn near 20 years and never hurt myself shooting it. I've got crimson trace grips on mine although that shouldn't matter lol. These are meant to plug someone right in front of you trying to kill ya. They're not meant to be comfortable shooters. They're meant to save your life quickly and effectively.
This was a great video! I think for newbies it’s a very important message. BUT I must share that in my humble opinion, these “snubbiies” are NOT made for target shooting or running drills, they are a self defense weapon that is used to blow your perpetrator away! That said, I’m not concerned about distance accuracy OR getting a little boo boo on my hand because of the recoil. I’m concerned with stopping an attacker in a self defense situation, AND ladies and gentlemen (as I’m certain our host will agree) this little “snubbie” WILL get that job done. Thanks for the video, I hit the LIKE 👍🏼
Thomas Warner I just purchased the original Kimber K6s stainless steel 2” snub .357 Magnum. I would suggest investigating it online if you’re in the market. The best little snub I’ve ever shot! Thanks for the nod. God bless and stay safe. ~Luis
@@lepettitchateau8047 hey Louis I got a Taurus snub nose 2 inch barrel hammerless and it is a sweet little pistol right out of the box and I shoot 357 through it it's just a great little pistol but I agree it is for short-range
I agree great video but if you want to run and gun it definitely isn't the best way to go. Its a self defense mechanism for just that. Its not a good first gun for beginning shooters. They have heavy triggers and short sights for a reason. They are tools that require a lot of training and practice to be proficient. If you are worried about a nick on your hand or something like that its probably not for you.
Ditto and my choice is the Ruger LCR which is tough enough to accept 357 rounds and definitely smoother than the S&W. Better grip, more absorbing/ergonomic. No low edges.
The problem with hand-web injury can be virtually eliminated if you went with the older Modal 36/60 J frame revolvers which have a different frame cut. You could either replace or Bob the hammer if you wanted a DAO option. Also you could change ammo. Since most all HP ammo doesn’t expand in a snub nose, you could consider using the softer firing 148 grain LWC round. Also Remington make a 110 grain std load SJHP round which I have found reasonable in terms of recoil.
I tried the S&W airweight and you’re right. Small, lightweight snubs when using +P or .357 mag are hell in your hand. I have semi autos, which I love but I also love the simplicity and reliability of revolvers and I was not going to give up on them. I bought a Taurus 605 will a 3 inch barrel and I love it. It handles +P and .357 mag loads without leaving your hands feeling like you hit a fast ball holding the bat high and it still is easily concealable.
I am English and I think that if I was in a situation that needed me to shoot someone I would not really worry about a little cut on my thumb I would just be glad I was still alive
Good thing acid attacks aren't a thing here, I'd hate to have that be about as, if not more common than U.S. gun crime, and be unable to shoot the person before they can fling corrosives my way or stab me.
@@ronly_driver we have people that threaten innocent people with acid and dirty syringes and stuff like that but they rarely get away with it and justice is rough for things of that nature here
The J-Frame is one of the best concealed carry weapons out there. I've carried one for 30 plus years...it has never failed me and I have never found it uncomfortable. It is a self-defense belly gun, nothing more/nothing less. Running while loading is stupid and not something worthy of criticizing the gun...just the person trying to do it. As for the cut...perhaps you should stick to testing Tupperware. (Props to the guy who suggested you put your purse down first)
Ankle holsters are poor for a primary carry but have several important advantages. As a backup gun carrier, they are especially good since they don't add to the load on the belt. If you are in a situation where you are on the ground, they are not at all inconvenient. In fact, they can very possibly be more accessible and usable than a belt holster. Clint Smith has a video on that. Also, long ago I saw a dashcam video of a trooper who lost control of his primary gun and when knocked down by the bad guy, managed to get to his ankle gun and save his life. Sorry, don't recall where the video is. Thirdly, in some seated situations it could be faster and more accessible than the belt gun. For many years I had small sports cars, Miatas. The only kinds of holsters that could produce a gun while driving such a small car were the shoulder and ankle. In that tight, recumbent seated position, the ankle holster was the only practical one for year-round use. A top quality ankle holster like the Galco Ankle Glove works very well for certain things.
I used a bugbite ankle holster all last summer, it was a great holster at a decent price. I got a shoulder rig coming now. I do lots of different work & none of it’s in the office so it worked really well keeping my snubby close & secured.
@@idonotconsent yea that was a you prob, not an ankle carry problem. Even uncle mikes doesnt have that problem if used correctly. As a backup, the ankle is a good choice. You can carry a pepper blaster as well for less lethal option.
I mean I can see why someone would want to carry one on the ankle I know someone who got shot n they dropped there glock and when he took cover he took out his .38 from his ankle...its not practical but still comes in handy
Yeah, my PPK slide barked my thumb knuckle once in awhile too. I thought about having that outer slide edge beveled or chamfered but I traded it instead.
I have carried snub nosed 38s for 42 years...never had a problem..nor did I ever see any of my co workers have an issue...strange that you have...thanks for your input.
My qualification courses with a 642 airweight have been 36 rounds ,and that is about enough for one outing at the range. Great gun, plenty accurate to defend myself, just not something I would want to shoot all day for fun. Thanks for the vid.
642 EDC w/+p in pocket holster for me. Yes, unpleasant but it’s a great defensive piece. Agree not for a long session at the range, I take every it few visits to the club just to keep familiar and improve with it. I have a Charter Arms Pathfinder .22 for those extended sessions.
It’s not meant to be a range toy, dude! It’s a very close distance defensive firearm, and one of the best out there for that purpose! If you ever get into a defensive shooting, I doubt you’re gonna notice your hands stinging a little with all of the adrenaline! Self defense, key word DEFENSE! This excels at that. You’re not going to storm Normandy with it.
Right, and I understand where he's coming from, but firstly I'm not getting in a sustained firefight with a snubbed revolver, and second I can wear gloves when I'm training but I'd rather have a little cut on my thumb if I need to use it in a real situation than a GSW or a stab. In practicality wear gloves when training but grip that mf when you need it for real.
Regarding 3:47, it is possible to have custom made rubber grips manufactured to your particular specifications. Your existing rubber grips would be measured, copied and then modified to what you would like it to be.
I have a 642 that I carry (less often now), with +P .38 Special ammo. I have never had a problem with it biting me, but I exchanged the wooden grips for rubber. I have no desire to shoot a .357 magnum snubby. I agree with you about the semi automatic. I now regularly carry a Glock 43X in 9mm, and a spare mag.
@TH-cam Comment Police you clearly have no education and no common sense. Please go read a book and get an education for once. You must not understand what the definition of sarcasm is..... learn how to read before you learn how to make comments.
I don't know how you're getting injured like this, but I have owned both these models for years and put many rounds through each but have NEVER been hurt when shooting either of them.
@@inkedskindeep9941 I love my hammer revolvers as well but obviously you have never thought about carry options for hammer less revolvers and the way they don't snag. It is a great back up or clothes option.
I purchased a 1969 Model 36 a few years ago. The hammer spur has been removed somewhere in the past. When shooting, it misfired 20+% of the time. Found a parts place...hoosiergunworks.com. The have parts for many older guns and bought a hammer with a spur...never had a misfire since.
How come others make videos shooting stub nose revolvers without cutting themselves and even though they also talk about the recoil they say that it's manageable is it possible that the reason why your getting cut is because you are not holding the revolver properly
He holds it tweaked towards the first part of his thumb and not solidly in the web of his hand, it's at least mostly in his grip with it maybe being a little bit due to the weather
Interesting. Never had that problem. Done classes where I’ve run 300+ rounds in six hours and I had a lot of hand fatigue the next day but never had bruises or cuts. Different strokes I guess.
TH-cam recommend me this video, so let's recommend something to you: when you have the opportunity, try a snubby with a bobbed hammer instead of a shrouded one. I think it may solve this issue (that by the way is with your natural grip). An affordable option is Taurus 856. It's likely that you may find one to rent at a gun range or meet someone who can lend you one to try.
I enjoy shooting snub nose revolvers and do not find them uncomfortable in the least. Though I never expect to need to shoot past about 30', I have rung a man size steel at 100 yards, all 5 rounds of .357 from a 640.
You might be able to correct the grip-biting situation by getting some tool handle wrap such as "Airhawk" and cutting and fitting to the grip shape. Works wonders on my revos.
Run around on snow with a loaded gun Keep Shooting barehanded even when you got cut just to prove a point Weighting the gun by ounces like some cake mix Keeping a gun in an uncomfortable ankle holster for whatever reason Tried to reload a revolver while running Very intriguing
The Ruger SP101 (standard 2 inch barrel 357mag) weighs 26oz and is my woods gun. It shoots .38spl (including +P) with zero issues. The extra weight helps a ton with recoil sensitivity. But you’ll need to carry on your waist or under your shoulder. I also have a Taurus 85 ultra lite that I enjoy as well. It also handles .38spl fairly well even though its half the weight of the SP101. The reason for this is how soft and well made the grips are. S&W make great revolvers but in my opinion they aren’t as comfortable at the range. If you ever have to draw in self defense, comfort will be the absolute bottom of your worry list.
I have the Ruger .38 +P with smooth curve and that feels great from cutting the hand. My primary carry is the Taurus .357 Magnum with four inch barrel. Very accurate.
It's not just revolvers, pistols do it too. It's a matter of knowing the limitations of the gun and remembering exactly where to put your hand. Especially for the very small concealed carry. I suppose it's a small price to pay if you're in a life-and-death situation.
Or the guy could just train to fix his bad gripping habit. If he learned to hold the gun further in the web of his hand it would solve the issue almost entirely
I have never had the issues you have had, normally I shoot 25 to 50 rds standard velocity .38 rounds. They have a wee more kick than a full sized heavier revolver, but its very manageble. It does require more skill since this is more of a point and shoot than a gun you would aim carefully. This is for me a 12 FT/ 4 M handgun, and that is where I do the bulk of my practice with my own 642.. And yes, this type of revolver is far more carried than shot! I have seen several snubbies like this that are decades old, and many appeared unfired or very little fired.
I can see your point. I have a model 36 with oversized Hogue wood grips that let me get three fingers on it. Even with ordinary 38 Special ammo it is painful to shoot. Shooting my model 66 with 357 ammo has a lot more bang and flash, but is more comfortable and doesn't hurt.
My Smith and Wesson 38 snubbies are my favorite carry guns. I got the 642 first, and later added the 38 Bodyguard. I prefer 38s over semiautomatics, maybe because that's what I learned with, and carried during USAF training. I like the spurless DAO for pocket holster carry, no hammer to catch on your pocket.
I grew up in the revolver era, my choices were 1911 or revolver, and I know why you find the revolver uncomfortable. You try to shoot it like a semi. I carry a charter 44 bulldog pug, I find it pleasant to shoot, if you quit putting a semi auto death grip on it and limp wrist it like you should on a revolver, you will gain major accuracy, far less recoil, and you won't cut your hand. I can reload my revolver on a galloping horse, I think you could train to use a speed loader on the run. Don't feel bad, I had to relearn shooting when autos became a thing, but I still prefer a revolver all day, every day, they use far more powerful cartridges and how many 44 spec rounds does it take to put down Tarzan on pcp?
Thanks. I think you've got a point there. Semi-auto shooters are taught to "dominate" the pistol and have zero muzzle flip, whereas shooting a revolver should probably be more of a fluid motion with a gentle rise and fall of the barrel. I'm no expert but this makes sense to me. I will try it next time I'm at the range.
Speed loaders do make reloading with some limited movement more possible. However, there is not way to match the speed of reloading a modern semiautomatic handgun.
My way of thinking is since the average shooting takes place at 9 feet and ends in 1-3 rounds being fired the odds of even needing to reload are very low. Since packing a firearm is based on comfort then go ahead and cut your hand as I can guarantee you won't even know it happened in that life and death situation. Stick with standard velocity .38 Special in the 158 GR weight and don't waste your time on super expensive fancy hollow point wonder rounds. Shoot a lot, shoot often and carry the same ammo you practice with. Stay away from super lite weapons and stick with all steel. The best holster pistol combo I have come across is a 6 shot steel snub nosed .38 2" with single & double action capability in a skeleton holster with a thumb snap. A speed loader in your right & left front pockets of coat or jacket plus two speed strips in your left front or rear pants pocket. Carried Colt DS and Cobra this way for years very comfortable and you have enough extra rounds for that unexpected barricade situation. Also should you have to lay your pistol over some nut jobs skull it is possible to bend an aluminum trigger guard. That's my .2¢ worth.
I use a 44spl with a 2" barrel for my EDC , while it has a great amount of recoil I've never been bitten like that . I believe you need to adjust your grip and toughen up your hand if you plan on carrying a snub nose revolver .
I carried a S&W J frame for about 40 year as my off duty gun and later as my CCW. About 2 years ago I switched to 9mm Auto for more ammo. I still feel confident with a revolver but never have I ever cut my hand of any J frame Smith.
Hammerless snubbies are not fun day at the range guns, they are designed for point and shoot. Take to the range to practice close point and shoot with standard pressure and +P.
Most comfortable 357 I have ever shot to this day. Which is wild since it had a 2-finger boot grip. Maybe that’s just me. I loved it and first time I shot it, I didn’t want to shoot any other gun I brought to the range that day.
Recently I was teaching a 15 year old kid to shoot for the first time, after shooting a glock 19 he wanted to shoot my 640 pro that I was chronographing with some of the most powerful loads from underwood and buffalo bore most producing close to 600 fpe out of its short 2 1/2 barrel. I worried he wouldn't be able to handle it especially with the g10 grips I thined out to be paper thin. But he proved me wrong firing multiple cylinders full without a single complaint. Not saying all this to make the shooter in this video feel bad, but complaining about 38 specials in an all steel gun with soft rubber grips, DAMN.
I got blister after my first range session with a stock Model 10-5. The blister was at the same part of the thumb where you got. Good thing that the Pachmayr Presentation grip exists.
We are not fighting in combat. I’m not looking to get into a shootout. I carry a snub nose revolver because it fits in my pocket and its comfortable to carry and could save my life in a bad situation. I’m 65 years old and I don’t think I will be running and doing commando rolls while trying to reload. I own many other hand guns but that 38 snub goes in my pocket every day. Fact is it’s the most popular gun that people carry.
To reload a revolver while running your gonna want to use speedloaders grip the frame firmly with your two inner fingers holding it steady and using the speedloader to twist and load its a bit tricky but it can be done with practice
Looks like you shoot it very well. I carry a 640 with 357s and I don't practice much. The trigger is very smooth and fits my hand good. With 125 357s it shoots 4 inches low at 15 feet. I have a 22 lcp in my pocket for a back up. I figure that I am well protected.
Love these guns. I have a Ruger LCR, a Performance center 442 and a new Taurus 856 in black oxide finish that weighs 22oz. The Smith is the most uncomfortable to shoot of the three. I was skeptical of the Taurus 856 but it has proved to be a great shooter with a nice trigger
@@mrtraa2639 yes but nothing compares to the Ruger trigger. The 856 trigger is not bad at all tho. My 856 is the 22oz version . Very nice to shoot due to its extra weight. Love the 856. May pick up another in ultra lite
Good video. They’re great for easy carry and whipping them out and getting a couple shots off (which is usually all you need) But they take a lot of practice to shoot well and reload quickly. Still a great carry gun choice tho.
If you want to reload on the move you should look into moon clips. They may fit your revolver or you might have to get some light machining done on the cylinder. Guys in competition use moon clips for super fast reloading. Think of a speed loader without the twist knob and the bulkey rim. You just drop the entire thing in and your back in the game.
I have a 360 PD .357. The rubber part of the grip does exactly what you described that should be the case with the 442. That is, the rubber on the grip rounds of the corners preventing the worst of that interaction with the thumb web. It's still a bear to shoot. But, not quite as bad as your experience with the 442.
Took mine (mod. 637 airweight) to the range once. 50 rounds made my hand buzz for an hour. Traded in for a stainless model 60 & like it a lot. Saw many used airweights for sale.
I think it’s safe to say that revolvers, especially a snubby, is not for you. I understand that you are gripping it as you’ve been taught to do on a semiautomatic, but they aren’t the same platform. If you are going to use a semiautomatic as your primary carry weapon, I suggest that you get a micro one for your backup.
Bloody hands from a .38sp snubby? I shoot .357 mag out of a lightweight snub nose It can be painful but I never draw blood This is a severe problem of your grip, work on it Reloading on the run? I shoot revolver in competition and I mostly reload on the move
It’s definitely his grip or his skin is just super dry in the cold weather causing it to crack easier. I have shot plenty of snubbies and they can hurt but never do they make me bleed. Though I have had a few semi autos bite me to the point of bleeding.
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Appreciate the honesty
Thanks!
This gun was was designed for a one shot taken at point blank distance. If you r planning on fighting taliban in Afghanistan I suggest switching to a tank.
nah ak
@imaracisthomophobic bigotsnowflakebitchfckmylife An rpg (at least the old ones the taliban have accses to) can not feasably take out an abrams, since they would be spotted by the commander's FLIR system or they simply couldn't penetrate it
@@HoppingSnake290 👁👁so...you’ve seen the video
@@YUNG_MISFIT hello there brother
1911 and a sks or ak 47
I've been shooting a snubby for decades and never once had a problem like this.
Your lucky
@@deadmandown4282 so am I been shooting them for fifty years without any problems.
@@ferdonandebull your also lucky
put the hogue monogram on and you'll be fine
monogrip
I was a Detective with a city police department. We carried the S&W Chief Special. Works well under a suit jacket and doesn’t destroy the lining. Most shootings take place within 4 to 6 feet. Therefore we practiced “combat” shooting. You simply clear leather and start shooting from the hip. You are correct, if you work/live where you’re in a crowd this is a fine weapon, if you gotta take time to aim it, you’re likely to be dead before you pull the trigger. With a 5 or 6 shot wheel gun, you need to be exceptionally accurate, reloading isn’t easy! I use hollow point silver rounds. My second job was a fraud investigator for a bank. These rounds hit hard and come apart inside! And the great thing is I don’t have to worry about my background! Yes, he does run funny!
You shoot from the hip in a crowd? Oh yea, you're definitely a cop. No regard for the safety of anyone around you and you think aiming is a waste of time, classic cop mentality
@@evocati6523 Go back to your mommy's basement.
Uhhhhhh, what? You most definitely DO need to worry about background
@@Morningstar_Actual I think the person meant you don't have to worry about the bullet penetrating through the intended target, hopefully.
@@freddymcgee6762 of course that is what he meant.... those people with those comments have such an attack anyone's comment mentality, that of course they would think he meant it in the way they thought... idiots
35 years with a snubby revolver and never had this issue. If you grip the gun properly and with a firm but not a deathgrip, you'll never have a problem. The gentleman that posted this video is clearly a novice at handling and executing a firearm properly.
Fired off 70 rounds of 357 Magnum and 200 more in 38 Special+P on a nice long day at the range one weekend, only had some light skin chafing on the web of my thumb because of the cold weather. It's 100% a grip issue.
Firing a gun isn’t for everyone perhaps the gentleman who posted the video could solve his issue by investing in some pepper spray and a defensive whistle ?
I’m 220lbs and pretty fit and strong and I shoot a smith and Wesson 340pd .357 which is a light weight stubby like in the video and 6-7 of my buddies (all police officers) all carry the same gun off duty and everyone of them will say the same thing, these guns suck to shoot! They bite you every time. We shoot every weekend and the 340 pd sucks with .38 ammo and hot . 357 is just a nightmare. They are louder than all of my other guns too. They put my Ak to Shame when it comes to rupturing the ear drum. So the grip doesn’t matter as much as you say. Most men who know their way around guns have a decent enough grip and it won’t make a damn difference that gun will still suck to shoot and is an unpleasant experience.
Man runs so funny with the gun 😂😂😂I couldn’t stop laughing 😂
Dude is scary--needs more training. I don't think he was every military or LE.
He should not run with the gun for one, walk briskly maybe, but don't run--two, he shouldn't be pointing it up in the air when he is moving, point it out or away from the body, and please don't touch the trigger. I know, holster it every time you have to run and then get into a stance then unholster it.
@@hornetbrown it's like someone gave Clark grizzwald a gun 😂
He runs like the guy from What about Mary? th-cam.com/video/C_n6rF4qnvk/w-d-xo.html
@@toastz17 welp, you just made my day!
he just might trip and shoot himself running like that
22 years on Philadelphia PD, then qualifying every year thereafter, often with snubbies...NEVER encountered such a problem. The snub nose revolver was not intended to be aimed at a target 30-50 feet away (nor to be reloaded on the run). Any revolver I’ve ever fired is far more comfortable than my LCP .380. It’s a matter of using the right tool for right job.
Thank you for your service. When were you on the PD? I've never seen Snubbies used in the last 20 years
@@anthonyblankenship4794 1967-89. The dept was just starting to test semi-autos at their firing range when I retired.
I love my LCP .380....I just hate shooting it..😂
@@eronavbj that's awesome brother, I'm looking to get into the PD here in Indianapolis soon. Any tips or advice you can give?
@@anthonyblankenship4794 Number one: NEVER give one ounce of credence to anything you see on TV or read about police work. And that includes the Media. Most cops-then and now-are decent, honest people trying to make things right. To me that essentially means protecting those too weak to protect themselves.
Don’t go into the job thinking it’s going to be mostly Starsky and Hutch car chases and shootouts. The most accurate description I’ve ever heard is that it’s hours of tedium with moments of terror interspersed.
What I recall most fondly are the times I knew that people were legitimately happy to see me, whether it was helping a lost motorist or just patrolling a dark subway platform at night. Little things like that stay in your memory, more so than the sporadic high-speed chases and violent street confrontations.
Just don’t try to be your own private version of Jack Reacher. I've been around one or two guys like that, and I was always glad to be away from them. You’ll get to know kind soon enough. (They are seldom in a good mood!)
This is the man i fear when i go to the gun range. This was one of the most uncomfortable shooting videos I've ever seen
The amount of times he flagged himself and probably his cameraman. Unbelievable
He should shoot a Ruger super redhawk 480 6 X's and see how his hand feels 😆
Yeah poor trigger discipline
Wife who is a complete novice saw this and commented immediately “He’s breaking the cardinal rule”. Keep that guy the heck away from me.
Yeah. I was on edge the whole video.
The best thing about a concealed hammer snubbie is that you can keep it in your jacket pocket, and you can fire right through your jacket for self defense if needed. Once you display a weapon, you have an incident. Being able to defend yourself without displaying a weapon is a big plus.
that's exactly how I run mine
Also, picture this scenario. You're walking down the sidewalk and approaching you from the other direction are a couple of low-lifes. You are not in a position to go to the other side of the street. Their intent to do you bodily harm might not be apparent until the last second. Having your snubbie in your jacket pocket, aimed at the bad guys, with your finger on the trigger, ready to fire is much better than having to reach for a concealed weapon. By the time the attack starts, it may be too late for that. (And that's what the bad guys are counting on.) If the use of deadly force becomes immediately necessary, you are able to react much faster. And if the attack doesn't happen, the potential bad guys never knew you had a weapon pointed at them.
@@ashleymarie7452 that’s actually a pretty good way of putting it.
Indubitably
@@ashleymarie7452damn girl, live dangerous
I've never had a problem shooting my snubby never thought it was uncomfortable to shoot.
I prefer old snubbys like a Colt snub nose army or old belly gun. Heavy ammo and they have barley any recoil.
Same here.
love my snubby and i like the way it feels in my hand the way it recoils the power of it. this dude hmmmm better him get a airsoft gun
Small hands you have
You must have some soft hands, I have never had a snubby cut my hand.
Samuel Forvour His wife said "he uses my moisturizer".
Are they hammerless or with concealed hammers. Also are your shooting Special P’s
@@gatesmw50Tell her get back home🤪🤣🤣🤣
Place duct tape on the sharp edge
@@joeguy6351 They are NOT hammerless revolvers. Every revolver has a hammer or it couldn't fire. This type of revolver has the hammer within the frame, covered and not visible. The advantages are, you are much less likely to have an accidental discharge in a stressful situation because a cocked revolver has a hair trigger that requires very little pressure on the trigger to fire. Secondly lint and dirt can't get into the inner workings of the firearm. Now a double action only (DAO) revolver will require more practice to become efficient with. For concealed carry however, most knowledgeable people choose this double action only type of revolver.
I've been reading a lot of comments about snubbies being a "belly gun" or "card table distance" or a "get off me" gun.
Well, Massad Ayoob (well known and well experienced), once testified in court that he would consider someone armed with a snubbie to be a lethal threat within 150 yards. When questioned about this, he replied "because I'm a lethal threat within that distance." When the prosecution didn't want to accept that testimony, he went and proved it.
Long story short, while it's true that most of us are limited in how far we can accurately use a snubbie, it is capable of much much more in practiced hands.
Ayoob is quite a “ legend”……at least in his mind.
He certainly has a following and interesting credentials. I just would love to see a legitimate resume.
He talks like his 20 or so years as a police officer, retiring as a Captain, was out of a precinct in L A.
Not quite…..
I believe he was a reserve in a 5 man department. With that as the apparent foundation, I’d love to hear the “ rest of the story”
I’ve suggested he post a resume, but get zero response.
He’s convinced a lot of credible folks of his expertise.
If you tell me there is a UFO parked in my front yard, I’d like to take a look before I agree.
I can testify to that. My buddy Tom hit a 12" circle at 100 yards almost every time with a snub nose Taurus .357 magnum.
Although I’ve never had the problem you describe I’d suggest wearing a glove while practicing. Using a snubbie for PD is a great choice keeping in mind that scenario it will probably be 3 feet, 3 shots, 3 seconds. If you have to reload you did something wrong.
Mega kudos, the 3/3/3 scenario is most reflective of real-life situation!
My error. Not 3 feet, 3 yards. Sorry about that.
@little drane you are scary
@little drane okay Detroit urban survival lmao
@@UNDERCOVER_E was thinking the same thing
I also never run with my pistol....on ice. Don’t act surprised when you fall.
Would you like a little cheese with that wine.
I have never seen anyone cut their hand on a snub nose
firing 38 special ammo. This has more to do with your
choice of grips and ammo. Replace the grips with the
"pachmayr SJ-C"; and, load the revolver with a low recoiling
load of your choosing.
You have already proven that the gun is the easiest for you to
carry. By choosing a better grip and lighter recoiling ammo,
it will also be easy to shoot. Wadcutters, or similar loads,
should be easy to shoot in both the alloy and steel j-frames.
Wad-cutters I ain't heard that term in a long time you showing your age man
I have been bit by small semi auto pistols. I didn't know revolvers could bite. I'm looking at the ruger LCR for pocket carry. It has padding in the grip for recoil management.
Your idea of "The Truth..." is Nonsense.
I own the hammerless Airweight Chief's Special and have shot it a thousand times without a scratch or malfunction. I used the same revolver to train my wife in the use of firearms. We both enjoy shooting this revolver very much. Not sure what caused your problem (would hazard to guess that it's only your problem. Certainly never heard of it before now) but this gun has been the off duty and backup carry weapon of choice for countless law enforcement officers, as well as the first handgun purchaced by civilian shooters for decades!
Probably his grip.
Thomas Warner I’m 41 and own wadcutters for snub. I shoot them for fun! Is 41 old? 😂
I have 8 snubbies, some in .38 and some in .357. I have never had a problem shooting them. I don't consider an airweight .357 a range toy but have no problem putting a box of ammo through it. I can and have regularly put a couple boxes of .38 +P through my 642 which is a constant companion the last 4 years. It is more accurate at distance than most people can shoot. I've put over 4000 rounds through it and the trigger is smooth and easily staged if you want to. Snubs are NOT beginners guns or ideal for women as many recommend. They take more practice than many are willing to do. They will get the job done if you do yours. They are the easiest to carry as well. It's not the only gun I carry, but it is the only gun I always carry.
Easy to carry and simple to use= best for emergency, adrenaline pumping moments. Marines taught me bleed in training so you don't bleed in combat. Most defensive shootings are less than 3 rounds fired anyway so you won't bleed the way you did because not a lot of rounds will be fired. A custom grip specific to your hand/grip helps too.
I do a lot of man stuff, so naturally i have calluses there
Lmao fukn A 🤘
Yeah man my whole palm is a callus, well on my right hand
@@hasgunwilltravel6840 lmao that totally counts as man stuff
I was just thinking that 🤣
No bark on your palm tree... RIP your schniedel lmfao
I’ll be 70 and not ‘running’ anywhere. 642 EDC w/+p pocket holster. Every few visits to the club I put some rounds through it to maintain familiarity and try to improve each time. I like it though it kicks !
This has happened to me and also to someone I was with at a range who was using a Ladysmith 38. It is a simple fix. Your grip is too high on the butt. Gripping the butt about 1/2 to 3/4 inch lower will fix the problem. This fix will actually produce more felt recoil, since the energy release is higher in relation to your hand, but it will fix the problem of the biting.
You grip the gun to hit the target not to avoid pain or cuts. If you have grips that are standard size, you cant grip it any lower. You only can get two fingers on the grip as it is. I shoot only full power 357 magnum ammo through mine. You're going to bleed if you shoot it too many times. I mean you could wear a glove I suppose. Or just stop shooting it before it makes you bleed. I can't believe that a j frame in 38 special could cause anyone pain or their hand to bleed. The only way you could even grip it 1/2 inch lower is if you had those ridiculous over sized grips on it. You want to grip it high so that it kicks straight back as opposed to flipping up. So you can keep it on target for faster follow up shots. That's the advantage of the 640 over the other j frames.
@greg harvey.... You sound like you actually know what you're talking about. Unlike many of the other "experts" on here.
🙄🤦♂️
no shit Greg Harvey
Em .38 is less the. A 9mm how is that bad kickback?
@@austinwhite3132.... Em, because snubby revolvers are just more difficult to shoot than semi-auto pistols. Anybody who trains and/or shoots often will tell you that.
my best friend picked that very gun, S&W 442, for his wife for her first gun, then he couldn't figure out why she hated shooting it. I told him it was the worst gun for a new shooter. I traded him my dad's old S&W model 14 for it, and gave him about 300 target wadcutters for her to shoot. She is like Rambo now. that model 14 was about twice as heavy as the airweight, and super accurate, so low recoil and great positive reinforcement for being accurate from the start.
Young Sir, you are in a cold climate, the temperature has an adverse effect on your skin. Gloves and as you yourself suggested a set of stocks that cover the backstrap extending up high will help remedy the comfort issue.
What grips are really optimal for this on the J Frames? I’m looking to buy one soon so I gotta look out for some good comfy shooting grips
@@virgil8574 Check out from reputable, proven manufacturers like Hogue, Altamont, Pachmayer, others and gun show vendors and ebay for products from discontinued lines like Spigel, Butler Creek and Uncle Mikes. Litterally no exaggeration you could find more than 100 choices no 2 alike.
@@virgil8574 Altamont has some nice combat grips for J frames. They completely cover the metal backstrap and are just long enough for me to get all my fingers wrapped around the grip. At the moment I have a Crimson Trace LG 305 laser grip on my 637. Same amount of grip area as the altamonts with the added benefit of some rubber cushioning. My 637 is a pussy cat with either of those grips on it , even when shooting +P rounds.
Or maybe he could trade hands with his sister.
And he got rubber grips c'mon man. Use your small condoms and pull em over the handle 😂
I love my 38 special, never been cut.
He just hold it weird
I used to get a blister on the web of my thumb and forefinger shooting my K6S, I learned to grip it differently (lower and lighter grip which I was worried I would lose control or have the gun decide it was time for flying lessons) which eliminated the blistering issue. Didn't lose any control, I found that gripping tightly worsened the problem but I am still learning and discovering the best way to shoot my revolver. As for reloading I carry and use the 5-Star speedloaders in a split six pouch. I practice reloading that gun regularly, it's getting faster and more natural. The real issue I have is not getting all spent shells to eject and needing to waste time looking down to pull them out.
I got an old colt det. special and sold my airweight - it was such a night and day difference in shooting and the colt really doesn't feel that much bulkier in return for how much more comfortable it is to shoot.
I've had the 442 damn near 20 years and never hurt myself shooting it. I've got crimson trace grips on mine although that shouldn't matter lol. These are meant to plug someone right in front of you trying to kill ya. They're not meant to be comfortable shooters. They're meant to save your life quickly and effectively.
Ya and the same job can be done with a carry model semi 9MM
@@austinwhite3132 revolvers are great for weak or elderly people who may not be able to rack a slide easily.
@@Mabungo mmm no snub revolvers are not sorry to burst your bubble
@@Mabungo If you’re too weak to slide the rack, even shooting a .38 Spec will ruin that wrist
This was a great video! I think for newbies it’s a very important message. BUT I must share that in my humble opinion, these “snubbiies” are NOT made for target shooting or running drills, they are a self defense weapon that is used to blow your perpetrator away! That said, I’m not concerned about distance accuracy OR getting a little boo boo on my hand because of the recoil. I’m concerned with stopping an attacker in a self defense situation, AND ladies and gentlemen (as I’m certain our host will agree) this little “snubbie” WILL get that job done.
Thanks for the video, I hit the LIKE 👍🏼
Precise and to the point my good man
Thomas Warner I just purchased the original Kimber K6s stainless steel 2” snub .357 Magnum. I would suggest investigating it online if you’re in the market. The best little snub I’ve ever shot! Thanks for the nod. God bless and stay safe. ~Luis
@@lepettitchateau8047 hey Louis I got a Taurus snub nose 2 inch barrel hammerless and it is a sweet little pistol right out of the box and I shoot 357 through it it's just a great little pistol but I agree it is for short-range
I agree great video but if you want to run and gun it definitely isn't the best way to go. Its a self defense mechanism for just that. Its not a good first gun for beginning shooters. They have heavy triggers and short sights for a reason. They are tools that require a lot of training and practice to be proficient. If you are worried about a nick on your hand or something like that its probably not for you.
Ditto and my choice is the Ruger LCR which is tough enough to accept 357 rounds and definitely smoother than the S&W. Better grip, more absorbing/ergonomic. No low edges.
The problem with hand-web injury can be virtually eliminated if you went with the older Modal 36/60 J frame revolvers which have a different frame cut. You could either replace or Bob the hammer if you wanted a DAO option. Also you could change ammo. Since most all HP ammo doesn’t expand in a snub nose, you could consider using the softer firing 148 grain LWC round. Also Remington make a 110 grain std load SJHP round which I have found reasonable in terms of recoil.
I tried the S&W airweight and you’re right. Small, lightweight snubs when using +P or .357 mag are hell in your hand. I have semi autos, which I love but I also love the simplicity and reliability of revolvers and I was not going to give up on them. I bought a Taurus 605 will a 3 inch barrel and I love it. It handles +P and .357 mag loads without leaving your hands feeling like you hit a fast ball holding the bat high and it still is easily concealable.
I am English and I think that if I was in a situation that needed me to shoot someone I would not really worry about a little cut on my thumb I would just be glad I was still alive
Fortunately for us, that situation rarely occurs unlike our cousins across the pond
@@jaybudz1620 true and I am glad that is true because I would be dead by now otherwise
@@jaybudz1620 could you imagine the carnage that upper middle class people would do to white working class people here?
Good thing acid attacks aren't a thing here, I'd hate to have that be about as, if not more common than U.S. gun crime, and be unable to shoot the person before they can fling corrosives my way or stab me.
@@ronly_driver we have people that threaten innocent people with acid and dirty syringes and stuff like that but they rarely get away with it and justice is rough for things of that nature here
The J-Frame is one of the best concealed carry weapons out there. I've carried one for 30 plus years...it has never failed me and I have never found it uncomfortable. It is a self-defense belly gun, nothing more/nothing less. Running while loading is stupid and not something worthy of criticizing the gun...just the person trying to do it. As for the cut...perhaps you should stick to testing Tupperware. (Props to the guy who suggested you put your purse down first)
LOL!
As someone that enjoys recoil I find pocket revolvers really fun to shoot.
0:34. “Let me show you how I point the gun at myself before I give you advice.”
I’ll never under stand how anyone would want to carry an ankle gun. They are so uncomfortable and unpractical IMO. To each their own.
Lookin" At To Many 80's Cop TV Shows And Shit Like That"..Ankle Holsters Are Dumb As Hell!!
Ankle holsters are poor for a primary carry but have several important advantages.
As a backup gun carrier, they are especially good since they don't add to the load on the belt.
If you are in a situation where you are on the ground, they are not at all inconvenient. In fact, they can very possibly be more accessible and usable than a belt holster. Clint Smith has a video on that. Also, long ago I saw a dashcam video of a trooper who lost control of his primary gun and when knocked down by the bad guy, managed to get to his ankle gun and save his life. Sorry, don't recall where the video is.
Thirdly, in some seated situations it could be faster and more accessible than the belt gun. For many years I had small sports cars, Miatas. The only kinds of holsters that could produce a gun while driving such a small car were the shoulder and ankle. In that tight, recumbent seated position, the ankle holster was the only practical one for year-round use.
A top quality ankle holster like the Galco Ankle Glove works very well for certain things.
I used a bugbite ankle holster all last summer, it was a great holster at a decent price. I got a shoulder rig coming now. I do lots of different work & none of it’s in the office so it worked really well keeping my snubby close & secured.
@@idonotconsent yea that was a you prob, not an ankle carry problem. Even uncle mikes doesnt have that problem if used correctly.
As a backup, the ankle is a good choice. You can carry a pepper blaster as well for less lethal option.
I mean I can see why someone would want to carry one on the ankle I know someone who got shot n they dropped there glock and when he took cover he took out his .38 from his ankle...its not practical but still comes in handy
I have never had a revolver do that to me although my Walther PPK bites my upper thumb knuckle with the slide...constantly.
Never had that problem but the wife took her thumb out first round through the ppk, go figure
Yeah, my PPK slide barked my thumb knuckle once in awhile too. I thought about having that outer slide edge beveled or chamfered but I traded it instead.
I have carried snub nosed 38s for 42 years...never had a problem..nor did I ever see any of my co workers have an issue...strange that you have...thanks for your input.
My qualification courses with a 642 airweight have been 36 rounds ,and that is about enough for one outing at the range. Great gun, plenty accurate to defend myself, just not something I would want to shoot all day for fun. Thanks for the vid.
642 EDC w/+p in pocket holster for me. Yes, unpleasant but it’s a great defensive piece. Agree not for a long session at the range, I take every it few visits to the club just to keep familiar and improve with it.
I have a Charter Arms Pathfinder .22 for those extended sessions.
"Nobody makes me bleed my own blood....." lol
"I don't have time to bleed"-Predator
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine some cowboy from the 1800s sees this video of a full grown man complaining about the way recoil cuts his finger
He's running in the snow, guys....with a loaded weapon!!! Of course it looks funny. Great video. Clear and informative. To the point.
Put your purse down before you shoot. Helps a bit.
That’s some fudd shut to say 😂
@@TheCobradragon I'm 30 bro. Definitely not a Fudd.
Damn... that’s gotta hurt 😂
This comment expressed exactly what I thought thank you
Spot on, my friend.
5:44 this is how I run to kill my friend for cancelling outing plans with me.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
remind me to never be your friend
@@cachesolo1534 onm 😂
You don't know how hard i laughed at this dumbass comment 😂
He run like a PUBG character no lie 🤣
I chuckle as I look at my open wound in the exact same spot as yours from shooting the S&W 442, after only 10 rounds.
It’s not meant to be a range toy, dude! It’s a very close distance defensive firearm, and one of the best out there for that purpose! If you ever get into a defensive shooting, I doubt you’re gonna notice your hands stinging a little with all of the adrenaline! Self defense, key word DEFENSE! This excels at that. You’re not going to storm Normandy with it.
I’m thinking your just a little on the delicate side there buttercup.
Lol
😂😂😂
Yep.
Right, and I understand where he's coming from, but firstly I'm not getting in a sustained firefight with a snubbed revolver, and second I can wear gloves when I'm training but I'd rather have a little cut on my thumb if I need to use it in a real situation than a GSW or a stab. In practicality wear gloves when training but grip that mf when you need it for real.
Do you really think that a delicate "buttercup" would not continue to do something that makes him bleed?
I'm an Antique gun collector and I love Revolvers i go crazy on them
Regarding 3:47, it is possible to have custom made rubber grips manufactured to your particular specifications. Your existing rubber grips would be measured, copied and then modified to what you would like it to be.
I have a 642 that I carry (less often now), with +P .38 Special ammo. I have never had a problem with it biting me, but I exchanged the wooden grips for rubber. I have no desire to shoot a .357 magnum snubby. I agree with you about the semi automatic. I now regularly carry a Glock 43X in 9mm, and a spare mag.
I never had this problem with Ruger SP101, have 4 of them. My 442 is OK too
Nice!! But why 4?
@TH-cam Comment Police lol because 2 revolvers is a you can shoot at once unless your Goro from mortal kombat
@TH-cam Comment Police you clearly have no education and no common sense. Please go read a book and get an education for once. You must not understand what the definition of sarcasm is..... learn how to read before you learn how to make comments.
@TH-cam Comment Police your literally the biggest loser there is.
@TH-cam Comment Police or your just a person with a dry ass personality, whom no one enjoys talking to. 🤷♂️
I don't know how you're getting injured like this, but I have owned both these models for years and put many rounds through each but have NEVER been hurt when shooting either of them.
He's holding it way to lose and wrong his thumb is way to back
Ive never been hurt either but they do sting a bit after shooting magnum rounds for awhile. The heavier gun (640) would help soak up recoil a bit
He’s a dummy
@@Smegma_pirate that's putting it nice and mild !!!!
This guy's out there hunting Cobra Commander in the snow with a five shot snubby 🤯
G.I. Joe an real American Hero!!!!!!
I’ve never seen anyone run with the gun pointed upward and just inches from their head like this guy.
Yeah this dude is wild
I don't have any issues with my S&W J frame round butt model 36. And i don't like hammerless revolvers..no way,i like old school double action!
Amen sir. Double action with a hammer is the only way
@@inkedskindeep9941 I love my hammer revolvers as well but obviously you have never thought about carry options for hammer less revolvers and the way they don't snag.
It is a great back up or clothes option.
Because your model 36 not an air weight and aluminum.. a 442 is. And the 642 he had is a 357mag. That's why
I purchased a 1969 Model 36 a few years ago. The hammer spur has been removed somewhere in the past. When shooting, it misfired 20+% of the time. Found a parts place...hoosiergunworks.com. The have parts for many older guns and bought a hammer with a spur...never had a misfire since.
Zdravko Novosel me either
How come others make videos shooting stub nose revolvers without cutting themselves and even though they also talk about the recoil they say that it's manageable is it possible that the reason why your getting cut is because you are not holding the revolver properly
He holds it tweaked towards the first part of his thumb and not solidly in the web of his hand, it's at least mostly in his grip with it maybe being a little bit due to the weather
Interesting. Never had that problem. Done classes where I’ve run 300+ rounds in six hours and I had a lot of hand fatigue the next day but never had bruises or cuts. Different strokes I guess.
TH-cam recommend me this video, so let's recommend something to you: when you have the opportunity, try a snubby with a bobbed hammer instead of a shrouded one. I think it may solve this issue (that by the way is with your natural grip).
An affordable option is Taurus 856. It's likely that you may find one to rent at a gun range or meet someone who can lend you one to try.
Get a set of aggressively checkered grips and learn how to shoot the gun.
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I carry the 642 airweight and it's very accurate and easy to use and carry. Proper grip and training is important to shooting accurately
Snubnose revolvers are pleasant to shoot just like spicy food is pleasant to eat
The bite is fun
I enjoy shooting snub nose revolvers and do not find them uncomfortable in the least.
Though I never expect to need to shoot past about 30', I have rung a man size steel at 100 yards, all 5 rounds of .357 from a 640.
You might be able to correct the grip-biting situation by getting some tool handle wrap such as "Airhawk" and cutting and fitting to the grip shape. Works wonders on my revos.
As for reloading the revolvers as you’re running just do what the pirates and Buccaneers did, just carry like seven of them On ya! :D
New York reload.
Run around on snow with a loaded gun
Keep Shooting barehanded even when you got cut just to prove a point
Weighting the gun by ounces like some cake mix
Keeping a gun in an uncomfortable ankle holster for whatever reason
Tried to reload a revolver while running
Very intriguing
The Ruger SP101 (standard 2 inch barrel 357mag) weighs 26oz and is my woods gun. It shoots .38spl (including +P) with zero issues. The extra weight helps a ton with recoil sensitivity. But you’ll need to carry on your waist or under your shoulder. I also have a Taurus 85 ultra lite that I enjoy as well. It also handles .38spl fairly well even though its half the weight of the SP101. The reason for this is how soft and well made the grips are. S&W make great revolvers but in my opinion they aren’t as comfortable at the range. If you ever have to draw in self defense, comfort will be the absolute bottom of your worry list.
I have the Ruger .38 +P with smooth curve and that feels great from cutting the hand. My primary carry is the Taurus .357 Magnum with four inch barrel. Very accurate.
It's not just revolvers, pistols do it too. It's a matter of knowing the limitations of the gun and remembering exactly where to put your hand. Especially for the very small concealed carry. I suppose it's a small price to pay if you're in a life-and-death situation.
I have a Ruger LCR 357; with standard Hogue grips; never had that problem. I find it very comfortable to shoot.
I use 148 Wad Cutters in my 642 and they are indeed far milder to deal with.
Hey, how about wearing a simple Band Aid on that area when practice shooting at the range! Believe me it works great and NO Bleeding!
A light unlined leather glove with the finger tips cut off work well too.
Ikr same with a glove but he kept complaing instead of doing somethin about it
I do the same. Just use some gaffer tape. I’ve got a S&W 627 2.6 inch that barks hard when I use .357. But .38 spl is not too bad.
Or the guy could just train to fix his bad gripping habit. If he learned to hold the gun further in the web of his hand it would solve the issue almost entirely
I have never had the issues you have had, normally I shoot 25 to 50 rds standard velocity .38 rounds. They have a wee more kick than a full sized heavier revolver, but its very manageble. It does require more skill since this is more of a point and shoot than a gun you would aim carefully. This is for me a 12 FT/ 4 M handgun, and that is where I do the bulk of my practice with my own 642..
And yes, this type of revolver is far more carried than shot! I have seen several snubbies like this that are decades old, and many appeared unfired or very little fired.
I can see your point. I have a model 36 with oversized Hogue wood grips that let me get three fingers on it. Even with ordinary 38 Special ammo it is painful to shoot. Shooting my model 66 with 357 ammo has a lot more bang and flash, but is more comfortable and doesn't hurt.
My Smith and Wesson 38 snubbies are my favorite carry guns. I got the 642 first, and later added the 38 Bodyguard. I prefer 38s over semiautomatics, maybe because that's what I learned with, and carried during USAF training. I like the spurless DAO for pocket holster carry, no hammer to catch on your pocket.
I have the taurus 856 ultra light in .38 special and it is +P rated and I pocket carry and love it . The grip is very nice
I grew up in the revolver era, my choices were 1911 or revolver, and I know why you find the revolver uncomfortable.
You try to shoot it like a semi.
I carry a charter 44 bulldog pug, I find it pleasant to shoot, if you quit putting a semi auto death grip on it and limp wrist it like you should on a revolver, you will gain major accuracy, far less recoil, and you won't cut your hand. I can reload my revolver on a galloping horse, I think you could train to use a speed loader on the run. Don't feel bad, I had to relearn shooting when autos became a thing, but I still prefer a revolver all day, every day, they use far more powerful cartridges and how many 44 spec rounds does it take to put down Tarzan on pcp?
Oh interesting
Thanks. I think you've got a point there. Semi-auto shooters are taught to "dominate" the pistol and have zero muzzle flip, whereas shooting a revolver should probably be more of a fluid motion with a gentle rise and fall of the barrel. I'm no expert but this makes sense to me. I will try it next time I'm at the range.
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Yeh I agree the recoil can effect your shot especially if your hand is bleeding... Great Info Bro 👍🏿
Thanks!
You can reload of the go with speed loaders. I own and carry 2 each day and can reload easily.
Speed loaders do make reloading with some limited movement more possible. However, there is not way to match the speed of reloading a modern semiautomatic handgun.
My way of thinking is since the average shooting takes place at 9 feet and ends in 1-3 rounds being fired the odds of even needing to reload are very low. Since packing a firearm is based on comfort then go ahead and cut your hand as I can guarantee you won't even know it happened in that life and death situation. Stick with standard velocity .38 Special in the 158 GR weight and don't waste your time on super expensive fancy hollow point wonder rounds. Shoot a lot, shoot often and carry the same ammo you practice with. Stay away from super lite weapons and stick with all steel. The best holster pistol combo I have come across is a 6 shot steel snub nosed .38 2" with single & double action capability in a skeleton holster with a thumb snap. A speed loader in your right & left front pockets of coat or jacket plus two speed strips in your left front or rear pants pocket. Carried Colt DS and Cobra this way for years very comfortable and you have enough extra rounds for that unexpected barricade situation. Also should you have to lay your pistol over some nut jobs skull it is possible to bend an aluminum trigger guard. That's my .2¢ worth.
@@anthonygalliart1789 well said
@@anthonygalliart1789 well my friend that's about $2,000 worth also what you say is true
@@TheGearTester - The Safariland speedloader makes that job a lot easier.
I use a 44spl with a 2" barrel for my EDC , while it has a great amount of recoil I've never been bitten like that . I believe you need to adjust your grip and toughen up your hand if you plan on carrying a snub nose revolver .
The lack of gun safety in this video is horrifying!
Surprised nobody is talking about how less than a minute in the video and this man has pointed his gun at himself at least 4 times.
I carried a S&W J frame for about 40 year as my off duty gun and later as my CCW. About 2 years ago I switched to 9mm Auto for more ammo. I still feel confident with a revolver but never have I ever cut my hand of any J frame Smith.
Hogue makes a nice grip for this Smith & Wesson j frame
Hammerless snubbies are not fun day at the range guns, they are designed for point and shoot. Take to the range to practice close point and shoot with standard pressure and +P.
Most comfortable 357 I have ever shot to this day. Which is wild since it had a 2-finger boot grip. Maybe that’s just me. I loved it and first time I shot it, I didn’t want to shoot any other gun I brought to the range that day.
I have one with the mini hammer love it. They are bang ,bang self defense guns. Not meant to be a range toy for pleasure shooting👍👍👍👍 Nice video
Recently I was teaching a 15 year old kid to shoot for the first time, after shooting a glock 19 he wanted to shoot my 640 pro that I was chronographing with some of the most powerful loads from underwood and buffalo bore most producing close to 600 fpe out of its short 2 1/2 barrel. I worried he wouldn't be able to handle it especially with the g10 grips I thined out to be paper thin. But he proved me wrong firing multiple cylinders full without a single complaint. Not saying all this to make the shooter in this video feel bad, but complaining about 38 specials in an all steel gun with soft rubber grips, DAMN.
I got blister after my first range session with a stock Model 10-5. The blister was at the same part of the thumb where you got. Good thing that the Pachmayr Presentation grip exists.
We are not fighting in combat. I’m not looking to get into a shootout. I carry a snub nose revolver because it fits in my pocket and its comfortable to carry and could save my life in a bad situation. I’m 65 years old and I don’t think I will be running and doing commando rolls while trying to reload. I own many other hand guns but that 38 snub goes in my pocket every day. Fact is it’s the most popular gun that people carry.
Strengthen your grip so you aren't depending on the frame to keep the revolver from rotating in your hand.
Try the Pachmyar Diamond Pro grips, it wraps around the back of the grip and fills up the hand, very comfortable.
To reload a revolver while running your gonna want to use speedloaders grip the frame firmly with your two inner fingers holding it steady and using the speedloader to twist and load its a bit tricky but it can be done with practice
Looks like you shoot it very well. I carry a 640 with 357s and I don't practice much. The trigger is very smooth and fits my hand good. With 125 357s it shoots 4 inches low at 15 feet. I have a 22 lcp in my pocket for a back up. I figure that I am well protected.
Love these guns. I have a Ruger LCR, a Performance center 442 and a new Taurus 856 in black oxide finish that weighs 22oz. The Smith is the most uncomfortable to shoot of the three. I was skeptical of the Taurus 856 but it has proved to be a great shooter with a nice trigger
Vince Macchitelli just got an 856 for my birthday. Love it!!
856 is the real deal. My fav. No ultralites! Screw s&w.
Do you feel the 856 is just as easy to shoot as the LCR?
@@mrtraa2639 yes but nothing compares to the Ruger trigger. The 856 trigger is not bad at all tho. My 856 is the 22oz version . Very nice to shoot due to its extra weight. Love the 856. May pick up another in ultra lite
as with all double action revolvers, practice , practice, practice. They take training to master them
Good video. They’re great for easy carry and whipping them out and getting a couple shots off (which is usually all you need) But they take a lot of practice to shoot well and reload quickly. Still a great carry gun choice tho.
If you want to reload on the move you should look into moon clips. They may fit your revolver or you might have to get some light machining done on the cylinder. Guys in competition use moon clips for super fast reloading.
Think of a speed loader without the twist knob and the bulkey rim. You just drop the entire thing in and your back in the game.
I have a 360 PD .357. The rubber part of the grip does exactly what you described that should be the case with the 442. That is, the rubber on the grip rounds of the corners preventing the worst of that interaction with the thumb web. It's still a bear to shoot. But, not quite as bad as your experience with the 442.
I've always found them to be hard to be accurate with also. Love my Glock and Springfield.
The "unpleasant to shoot" problem is easy to solve! Just use a right-hand leather glove when you're training with it.
Took mine (mod. 637 airweight) to the range once. 50 rounds made my hand buzz for an hour. Traded in for a stainless model 60 & like it a lot. Saw many used airweights for sale.
this guy running in snow is so tacticool !
good video man ! nice .
I think it’s safe to say that revolvers, especially a snubby, is not for you. I understand that you are gripping it as you’ve been taught to do on a semiautomatic, but they aren’t the same platform.
If you are going to use a semiautomatic as your primary carry weapon, I suggest that you get a micro one for your backup.
Bloody hands from a .38sp snubby?
I shoot .357 mag out of a lightweight snub nose
It can be painful but I never draw blood
This is a severe problem of your grip, work on it
Reloading on the run?
I shoot revolver in competition and I mostly reload on the move
It’s definitely his grip or his skin is just super dry in the cold weather causing it to crack easier. I have shot plenty of snubbies and they can hurt but never do they make me bleed. Though I have had a few semi autos bite me to the point of bleeding.