Reclaim Control with Vivaldi Browser! - Jón von Tetzchner Interview
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Welcoming Jón von Tetzchner, CEO of Vivaldi Browser on Techlore Talks to chat about privacy, security, history of Vivaldi, control, open source, federation, and a lot more!
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introductions
00:00:56 About Jón & Vivaldi Browser
00:02:00 History of Opera Browser & Vivaldi
00:04:13 Opera and Vivaldi Philosophy Differences
00:06:26 Vivaldi Browser in Cars
00:09:16 Vivaldi's Target Audience
00:12:25 Vivaldi's Business Model
00:15:14 Prior/Historical Business Models for Browsers
00:17:06 Vivaldi's 1st-Party Privacy Protections
00:20:30 Vivaldi's 3rd-Party Privacy & Security Protections
00:23:23 Vivaldi's Browser Engine & Decision Behind Chromium
00:28:46 Quick Plug
00:29:30 Vivaldi's Open Source/Source Available Model Explained
00:35:19 Vivaldi's Community
00:38:49 Vivaldi's Mastodon Homeserver, Social Networking, & The Fediverse
00:45:54 Vivaldi Security Update Speed
00:47:57 Vivaldi on iOS, WebKit in light of EU regulations, and the Digital Markets Act
00:57:28 Contextual vs Surveillance Ads, FLOC, Manipulation, and Digital monetization
01:03:23 Where to reach Jon & Vivaldi
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00:00:00 Introductions
00:00:56 About Jón & Vivaldi Browser
00:02:00 History of Opera Browser & Vivaldi
00:04:13 Opera and Vivaldi Philosophy Differences
00:06:26 Vivaldi Browser in Cars
00:09:16 Vivaldi's Target Audience
00:12:25 Vivaldi's Business Model
00:15:14 Prior/Historical Business Models for Browsers
00:17:06 Vivaldi's 1st-Party Privacy Protections
00:20:30 Vivaldi's 3rd-Party Privacy & Security Protections
00:23:23 Vivaldi's Browser Engine & Decision Behind Chromium
00:28:46 Quick Plug
00:29:30 Vivaldi's Open Source/Source Available Model Explained
00:35:19 Vivaldi's Community
00:38:49 Vivaldi's Mastodon Homeserver, Social Networking, & The Fediverse
00:45:54 Vivaldi Security Update Speed
00:47:57 Vivaldi on iOS, WebKit in light of EU regulations, and the Digital Markets Act
00:57:28 Contextual vs Surveillance Ads, FLOC, Manipulation, and Digital monetization
01:03:23 Where to reach Jon & Vivaldi
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This is covered in our blog
Thanks for having us!
This interview motivated me to give Vivaldi a try. Two notes:
1) I really like being able to tile my tabs and have multiple tabs visible at once.
2) I really like that there's a separate password for encrypting your content for syncing, and that the user is involved in that process. It gives me more peace of mind about the security of my data on Vivaldi's servers.
This is like watching an interview with Albert Bourla and saying "I think I'll try Pfizer products". They're not going to do interviews to tell how bad their products are. 🙂
Henry and Jon, thank you for this!
I have mostly been a Firefox user, for decades. But when I found Vivaldi, I really liked it. Vivaldi has all of the features I want, along with respect for user security and privacy. Other browsers really bug me with their telemetry. No problems with Vivaldi.
Thank you for your support Philip!
I was using Vivaldi as main browser, for at least last 5 years, user experience is definitely the best, it's a little blotted, but you can hide UI elements that you don't use. In last couple of weeks, I was testing Brave as main browser but my experience was clunky.
I really appreciate this interview, because Jón managed to address my main concerns I had with Vivaldi.
Henry thanks for your work, and Jón thanks for your dedication and great product.
It's a little bloated?
I am a strictly Firefox user (Nightly because I want to help Mozilla). Vivaldi is my favorite Chromium based browser. I love the customization.
I think if Firefox is your default and customisability is a key reason for your using Firefox, then Vivaldi is a no-brainier as a second browser.
I used Vivaldi a lot like 5 years ago. I was amazed by the sheer amount of customization. But I had low spec PCs back then and it was just too heavy for a proper use so I switched to Brave. Will maybe reconsider using Vivaldi now that I have a giga powerful machine
I tried Vivaldi some time ago, but moved to Opera as it seemed more useful then. However, I have been becoming more and more disenchanted with Opera and was not aware of the connection discussed here. This has made me want to go back and take another look at Vivaldi. Apart from anything, I liked Jon as well, his attitude and his openness. Keep it up, both of you!
Thank you, let us know what you think! :)
i loved opera too, but after they was bought buy some chinese company or wtv i never felt safe using them
Vivaldi's customization is just amazing, give it a chance and you'll love it. I'm mostly a Firefox user, but when I have to use a chromium-based browser then Vivaldi is the right choice for me. Brave doesn't offer the same level of customization at all.
People complaining about it not being open source yet majority of people who complain can't even understand how the browser code works. You can pretty much see the source code if you like and it's all there just like Jón said. But of course you'll have to rely on someone to tell you that it's safe to use because you don't understand how it works.
Respect++ for the Vivaldi project!
Great interview. It cleared the "open source" situation for me, so I am going to try Vivaldi. Also Jon tells some interesting history bits, that were new to me). Thank you.
Like Henry, I have always given Vivaldi an honorable mention in pointing out to friends and family about good browsers to use. Overall, I like Vivaldi and this interview was very informative.
I am trying out vivaldi currently, because I certainly am a power user and it seems to be perfectly what I would like. Also the CEO really seems like to care, so I feel very welcome to try it out and give feedback etc.
Thank you! We hope you like it 🙂
I really enjoyed the interview and will definitely try Vivaldi👍
Enjoyed this. Vivaldi Workspaces is my favourite. I also enjoy that the title bar changes colour based on the website you are viewing.
Great talk!
I've been an avid Internet user since 1994 and for me, Vivaldi is the best browser. I first tried it when the first preview version came out, and have been using it since the first beta. It's the best browser for me
Thanks for the video, learned something new
Great video very informative appreciate your guest
The problem that it's not open source is that I can't build your browser and compare the binary to ensure there is nothing bad put in. Great to debug UI, great to see the modified Chromium you use, but both without a complete package to build, thus I can't verify the honesty. The verifying of your binary is impossible.
As a Brower power user. Vivaldi is amazing!
I've certianly enjoyed using it. Has some stupid bugs though (at least on pop!_OS). Like the right click just randomly ceasing to work within the browser until you rightclick Outside the browser, and then working again. And tiled tabs interacts Really badly with youtube (tiled a tab? untiled a tab? moved a tab to a different window? A random selection of the videos open in the tabs that are still tiled will start playing for no decernable reason. Oh, and with each change regarding which tabs are or are not part of the tiled set, all adjustments to the size and positioning of each tile will be forgotten (semiunderstandably), and it will toggle between what you set it on and 'grid' (without changing the indicator in the menu that controls such)... make another change and it will toggle back (there is no good reason for this).
Couple of things I'm not so keen on about the UI around tiling and gestures either.
That said, it's been a Massive improvement in useability over firefox, with negligable (at most) loss in any other area that actually affects my usecase.
Tried it today, ngl Vivaldi is pretty good and also highly customisable too. Gonna keep using it for a while
Awesome! 🔥
A Great Interview! Thank you for sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love Vivaldi. I'm using this browser on Android and Linux
Thanks for the interview! Last decent discussion in the YT with Jon is three years old, way too long time!
I used Opera since the '90s and actually paid for it. Vivaldi was godsend because the discarded Opera Presto wasn't working very well by that time, but I still used it as daily driver, although it hadn't been updated in couple of years or so..
Hope y’all are having a great weekend!
Thanks Sammy ❤️✌️ -H
Vivaldi is fun to use. Maybe I'll give it another try. Although, I’m well into LibreWolf now.
Great browser, and in my opinion the best browser for android!
Thank you Vlad!
I have proved a lot of mobile browsers. I'm stick with Vivaldi for Android. It's the best for me
I use that browser and enjoy it. It is not the only one I use. , ty for this interview!
I've commented on this video using Vivaldi Browser. Thank Johnny.
I been using vivaldi for a year now an i very happy that i downloaded that year ago. only thing i can really omplain about is i wished the context menus could be made to match our own custom theme's. squares an rectangles don't really look good with partially rounded corners. The browser works great never really any problem with it an i l ike that they took the theming to where our background displays on thje title bar as well.
The licensing issue can be solved by the GNU Affero GPL v3 or later with an additional notice that no trademark rights are granted and that you have to disclose in the documentation or advertising materials that your product includes code created by Vivaldi.
Been using it for two weeks, since I saw this video.
Good marketing move by the boss.
They got rid of the colored tab thing that put me off a few years ago. It's a great browser now.
The security/privacy side seems to be one of the best.
A bit late but, I use Vivaldi now since it’s much more faster than Opera GX. I use it for months now and it’s basically my main browser for Windows and Linux (except older windowses which i use firefox on old pcs) And It’s basically very customisable with the sidebar, navigation bar, horizontal tabs, custom icons and CSS. The only thing I don’t like is that the UI is very Mac oriented. Like the Vivaldi Menu is like a mac menu for Windows just like Spotify. If there was settings where we can make the UI Windows oriented by default, it would be the go for me. Just my opinion.
I love vivaldi, I use it on my laptop and phone just a great all round browser.
Too bad there no flatpak version for Vivaldi browser.
Really love Vivaldi would really love to add in a opt in telemetry so I can support it I'm really tired of putting bugs and things on the community forum but knowing people it probably would destroy their image
Exacly, I don't see problem with telementry as long as it's non-identifiable, encrypted, not for sale data. Average user won't go and post bug reports on forum or github, so some basic telementry to improve functionality can benefit both users and developers. I don't have issue with it being turned on by default either, tho they could let you decide whether to enable or disable telementry at the first run of a browser.
I'm sold
I see a very good use case here of replicating the "old AOL" for people like my mom. A walled and easy to navigate internet where everything is right there.
ive got 33 tabs open while watching this video... downloading now to give it a go lol.
Tab management is our passion! Let us know what you think :)
@@VivaldiBrowser will do!! 👍
please do Qortal sometime in the future! :)
Librewolf, Mullvad and Tor on top.
Is for android and desktop?
mullvad and tor works on android, librewolf only desktop@@ynos3
I remember thinking why would anyone want to browse on a mobile. Even when I started doing it myself it was clunky as heck back then. It did get pretty good pretty fast though.
i was using opera because it used its own very fast render engine and you could customize the UI extensively. Opera back then was the only browser that let me put my tabs from the top to the side and had a little button on the bottom for extensions and did resizing of webpages correctly without breaking the page.
then the opera engine was falling behind and compatibility with a lot of website kept breaking. then opera decided to switch to chromium and start from a fresh code base and all the customizations and what made opera greate were gone overnight.
it was easy for me to switch to vivaldi as it brought all does things back over time and as privacy is more important then ever i feel the saveset with vivaldi then with any other company.
Thanks for your support!
I never thought to see Vivaldi here. Is it now good or what?
It is too good.
WOW!!! BRAVO!!! I LIKE THIS APPROACH !!! THANK YOU & GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!! PASTOR HENRY AGE 83 615 AM PDT SEP 13 2023
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍!!!
Me: using Vivaldi
Henry: *makes a video interview with CEO of Vivaldi
Me: *no comment
I’m watching you Expert Plus 👀 -H
Please take a look at the Arc Browser and what it does for the internet browsing experience. I can't leave it due to its features, but I want more privacy. Things like swiping between work spaces, having folders for pinned tabs, auto-archiving tabs, opening new tabs at the top, not bottom, etc. etc. The vertical tab bar should also have a customizable color based on the workspace and the option to bind workspaces to people to have separate storages. There are so many things that Arc does that I want to see for other browsers and Vivaldi is the most potent one to enable these features through its rich settings.
I'd use vivaldi if they used gecko. And they make a few changes to the android browser.
Two points are annoying for me: absence of Clobal media control and blurry favicons at tabs and sidepanel
Car browsers are great and all but I will be impressed when he can rewrite the BMW Idrive system to be useable. Until then i guess I will just settle for Vivaldi.
Ok so how does their sync work then? i mean it does require you to use your email address
Why use a closed source browser when there are great open source options
Exactly, no reason to switch from Firefox, Brave or others
Agreed. If you look on Privacy Tests, Vivaldi falls far behind in terms of privacy. Those issues would REALLY need addressed before I considered using anything other than Brave and LibreWolf.
@@marco31 Yes, I heard that there's a bias to Brave. I also heard that by default Vivaldi gives you the option to enable or disable it in the very beginning and that in itself is an issue, in my opinion. It should be enabled by default, period. If you just hit "Continue" where it asks if you want to block ads and trackers, it is selected to off, by default. Again, a problem imo.
Because mozilla is not the company they seem to be. And the competition is worse
@@WXFanaticThen you are making two very different statements.
I think you did not even watch the video, but then watched it and felt embarrassed. Finally you made this final argument not to lose the face.
Useless…
I think Vivaldi is a decent browser, however like you said it is overly overwhelming. Things work differently like bookmarks manager, and other kind of annoyances. Not able to have a 3rd party start page is kind of a killing point for me. That and making it annoying to install plugins. The forcing of their layout that is unfamiliar to people and that is a turn off instantly for me.
You can set the New Tab to whatever you want, or have extensions control it 👍
@@AtleMo you literally can't have a 3rd party extensions to have a custom homepage, Vivaldi acknowledged this themselves.
@@DerpingtonshereMaybe I misunderstood, but if you look under 'Settings -> Tabs -> New Tab Page'.
You can set a custom URL, Blank page, Homepage or Controlled by Extension. Or did you mean something else?
Vivaldi is one of a kind i would say :)
but for Jón's question why the maker of PrivacyTest is not using the tracker or advertisement blocker it is because it is not pinned by default so if i click ok continue etc to the point i can finaly use the Browser there is no security ^^ (and if i use the blocking all option i dont get it at all, the cookies from third party i still get them, https upgrade is still off)
If you have a new PC the first thing is not to make all the settings, no you want a browser where you can download things to install and at the end maybe make settings.
For me in person i dont see a big new feature what makes a difference, but i get lower selection example i cant select a blank start site, i dont have the option to select/add more ad-filter , i dont see an option to set my DNS settings without tinkering and i dont have a good option to delet my browsing history.
Oh boy! A video about an open-core browser based on Chromium that's not trashing it for no good reason? Buckle up 'cause this comment section is going to fill out with the most annoying elements of the free software and privacy communities.
I'm sorry that you find our right to choose as annoying.
🙈
@@TheBlueThird Case in point...
If it's not open source, then we aren't going with it. Plain and simple.
Even if this 5% (the percentage of its closed source UI ) is open from everyone to see?
@@GeorgePantelis1 Yes. It very well might sound silly, but if the whole entirety of the code is not available for review, then I personally do not trust the browser as something that I'd trust with all of my data.
@@josephsagotti8786 This is what I'm trying to tell you. All of its code is readily available to view. With the exception of its closed source UI which is read-only. So, there is nothing hidden from reviewing.
Didn't you watch the very spot where Jon is discussing it in the video?
@GeorgePantelis1 Some people won't tolerate anything closed source. As harsh as it may sound, it's our choice to decide what we will, or won't run on our machines. Respect our right to choose.
@@GeorgePantelis1 There is always a potential for code that is unfavorable to be stored & executed, even in the closed source UI resources.
Good luck with the project. But it's a no for me.
@@recliningbuddha Because I choose not to. That's my legitimate reason.
Vivaldi is not open source
it is though
Ok?
Another chromium based browser :(. Pass...
I use Firefox, but when I need productivity stuff I choose Vivaldi.