Axis cameras can do those detections in camera, and the ONVIF standard allows those detection events to be transmitted in the stream, so UBNT should be able to bring those in. Also, if Protect can receive webhooks, the cameras can send those for types of events, depending on the “app” you’ve installed on the camera (line crossing, fence crossing, etc).
I doubt ubiquity will implement Profile T or much beyond S (if even full S support). They want to buy their stuff. While the AI port is an awesome product for bringing in facial and LPR detections to any camera, I suspect this is how they will want you to bring in notifications as well. Could be wrong, I was greatly surprised that they didn't do a licensing thing similar to Synology. Because of their lack of annual licensing, they need to sell product to make money. Letting you use any camera free of charge is not quite that profitable. But who knows, maybe realizing that people would flock to them if they did that and would sell tons of NVRs: maybe that would be enough? I would certainly switch to them if they had a robust Onvif profile T implementation. Though... I do wish they would let their NAS software run on their NVRs as well: too soon maybe.
I had Older NVR go bad with 16 POE OnVif cameras. This was an answer because of already having Dream Machine Pro at the location. I took the 1 12TB HDD out of broken NVR, AND it works saving my 16 1080P cameras from the trash. I hope they can add audio and Motion to Protect soon. Sidenote: Also have a Dream Router that works great using 3 ONVIF cameras using 1.5 TB chip. The record time Only lasts a few days, so you need to know when an incident occurred.
Was thinking about switching over from Synology Surveillance Station but this seems a bit bland? Would free up a NAS bay. My Hikvision has "Focus on human and vehicle targets classification based on deep learning"... can Unifi Protect use the inbuilt feature or not?
If you know, because you've actually done the A/B comparisons, which doorbell camera offers the best quality images day/nighttime? As I write this, I'm comparing a 1st Gen Google Nest to the G4 Doorbell Pro. It's obvious that the Nest has longer reaching nighttime capability where I can see into the street, but I can barely do that with the G4. Debating now whether I should eat the 15% restocking fee and return the G4.
I'm not partial either way. Although I have invested in the unifi ecosystem with a dream pro and a bunch of other stuff, including 4K cams, which really aren't all that impressive, but now that they take third-party cams, even if I have to spend a couple of extra to get that device that's being released in 2 weeks, it certainly might consider it. But for now, on a lark because of Black Friday, I brought in the pro doorbell. 0
While third party support is a great step forward, they're not quite there yet in my opinion. The ONVIF support is only profile S, so until profile T is supported for motion detection and PTZ etc, it's still not a viable option for me. As for the AI adapter. At $199 per camera, that would still be a $6000+ investment on some of our sites. Just not going to happen. I do continue to hope for the future though.
@lordviator unfortunately, they are done. If you want more, they expect you to buy their AI adapter or just switch to Unifi cameras. This is nothing more than a marketing stunt.
Not sure for Unifi, but for other NVRs I've worked with that is a question of the network structure. If you have a layer 3 switch or router that handles the traffic, then it should be able to. The reason you don't typically do that is that a layer 3 switch or router is required and it adds network congestion to those devices whereas keeping the device on the same subnet you don't need a routing device to first handle the traffic (it can all happen on layer 2: in the switches). I typically make a vlan for the cameras anyway and keep all the traffic on that. Cameras often multicast their streams (especially for onvif) and keeping that multicast sequestered to a dedicated and private vlan is better for security. It is one reason why many NVRs have at least 2 NICs (if not more): one for the camea feed and one for the client streaming. You can setup the cameras on a separate vlan and use the one NIC for that vlan then put the client streams on the other NIC/vlan.
IoT Auto-Discovery mDNS is the setting you are looking for when trying to manage, or adopt a device on a vlan or another network. You will need to add it to as a network and then add it to the IoT Auto-Discovery mDNS list. This is under your network configuration page for a unifi controller.
Some of my cameras just show black screen, hope they get this sorted out soon as the cameras have more features for over half the price of unifi cameras..
I've not tried across the internet, but if you click help in the top right, you can click advanced adoption and directly enter the IP address of the camera you want to adopt.
I have 18 ONVIF cameras on 2 Dream machine PRO machines and none of them do audio yet. I trust they will add this option soon. In my State it is Ok to have audio at your own private residence outside, however some states and Commonwealths do not allow audio without special signage.
Synology are certainly need to up their game going forward. I assume you'll still using Synology for NAS services? I've got a small protect setup atm, but have rightly/wrongly ordered a 1821+ Synology unit to replace a QNAP TS-873A. Purely for Plex, doc storage and hyper-v backup integration. I was using Proxmox, but testing Hyper-V integration with Synology / Veem CE.
Totally agreed here, $199 + NVR is a high price to pay to update a camera for real world use (events, etc) for Protect with a (most likely) less performant in-line hardware component. To Willie's point though, if you had an expensive camera and wanting to pull them into Protect, makes sense. But for a budget Reolink or similar? Not really mathing out.
This would be very useful for slightly older higher end PTZ cams for hikvison etc. 25x zoom with ai events and license plate detection would be amazing.
The Synology CMS is still much superior to UniFi's limited multi site capabilities. It also supports encryption, granular user permissions, and more sophisticated ONVIF support. The downside is licensing...
So do the Ubiquti cameras but if I paid like 8k for an Axis thermal camera and I want it on Protect -- I'll pay this small fee. Consider it perpetual licensing.
On my Hikvision cameras I can only select the low resolution stream. I have an 8MP camera but can only record HD or worse so this Unifi Onvif feature seems not useful to me at present.
In my system log, I keep seeing that third-party cameras are offline. Is anyone experiencing that? I don't understand it since it's referring to hard-wired cameras.
Axis cameras can do those detections in camera, and the ONVIF standard allows those detection events to be transmitted in the stream, so UBNT should be able to bring those in. Also, if Protect can receive webhooks, the cameras can send those for types of events, depending on the “app” you’ve installed on the camera (line crossing, fence crossing, etc).
I doubt ubiquity will implement Profile T or much beyond S (if even full S support). They want to buy their stuff. While the AI port is an awesome product for bringing in facial and LPR detections to any camera, I suspect this is how they will want you to bring in notifications as well. Could be wrong, I was greatly surprised that they didn't do a licensing thing similar to Synology. Because of their lack of annual licensing, they need to sell product to make money. Letting you use any camera free of charge is not quite that profitable. But who knows, maybe realizing that people would flock to them if they did that and would sell tons of NVRs: maybe that would be enough?
I would certainly switch to them if they had a robust Onvif profile T implementation. Though... I do wish they would let their NAS software run on their NVRs as well: too soon maybe.
Great Video. I think I have discovered that while you get to record the Video, I have not figured if ONVIF gives me Audio?
I have 18 ONVIF cameras on 2 Dream machine PRO machines and none of them do audio yet. I trust they will add this option soon.
I had Older NVR go bad with 16 POE OnVif cameras. This was an answer because of already having Dream Machine Pro at the location. I took the 1 12TB HDD out of broken NVR, AND it works saving my 16 1080P cameras from the trash. I hope they can add audio and Motion to Protect soon. Sidenote: Also have a Dream Router that works great using 3 ONVIF cameras using 1.5 TB chip. The record time Only lasts a few days, so you need to know when an incident occurred.
Was thinking about switching over from Synology Surveillance Station but this seems a bit bland? Would free up a NAS bay. My Hikvision has "Focus on human and vehicle targets classification based on deep learning"... can Unifi Protect use the inbuilt feature or not?
Why can't this processing all be done at the NVR? A separate $200 device is overkill.
If you know, because you've actually done the A/B comparisons, which doorbell camera offers the best quality images day/nighttime? As I write this, I'm comparing a 1st Gen Google Nest to the G4 Doorbell Pro. It's obvious that the Nest has longer reaching nighttime capability where I can see into the street, but I can barely do that with the G4. Debating now whether I should eat the 15% restocking fee and return the G4.
Doorbells can be tricky. Are you partial to on prem and not cloud storage?
I'm not partial either way. Although I have invested in the unifi ecosystem with a dream pro and a bunch of other stuff, including 4K cams, which really aren't all that impressive, but now that they take third-party cams, even if I have to spend a couple of extra to get that device that's being released in 2 weeks, it certainly might consider it. But for now, on a lark because of Black Friday, I brought in the pro doorbell. 0
While third party support is a great step forward, they're not quite there yet in my opinion. The ONVIF support is only profile S, so until profile T is supported for motion detection and PTZ etc, it's still not a viable option for me.
As for the AI adapter. At $199 per camera, that would still be a $6000+ investment on some of our sites. Just not going to happen.
I do continue to hope for the future though.
@lordviator unfortunately, they are done. If you want more, they expect you to buy their AI adapter or just switch to Unifi cameras. This is nothing more than a marketing stunt.
for 129.00 add a Unifi Protect G5 Camera instead of the UI device
you will be able to add more than one camera to the AI Port (two 2K ONVIF or three HD ONVIF cameras per AI port)
I noticed in your demo that the camera was on the same network/subnet as your controller/nvr - is it possible to adopt cameras on another subnet?
Not sure for Unifi, but for other NVRs I've worked with that is a question of the network structure. If you have a layer 3 switch or router that handles the traffic, then it should be able to. The reason you don't typically do that is that a layer 3 switch or router is required and it adds network congestion to those devices whereas keeping the device on the same subnet you don't need a routing device to first handle the traffic (it can all happen on layer 2: in the switches).
I typically make a vlan for the cameras anyway and keep all the traffic on that. Cameras often multicast their streams (especially for onvif) and keeping that multicast sequestered to a dedicated and private vlan is better for security. It is one reason why many NVRs have at least 2 NICs (if not more): one for the camea feed and one for the client streaming. You can setup the cameras on a separate vlan and use the one NIC for that vlan then put the client streams on the other NIC/vlan.
IoT Auto-Discovery mDNS is the setting you are looking for when trying to manage, or adopt a device on a vlan or another network. You will need to add it to as a network and then add it to the IoT Auto-Discovery mDNS list. This is under your network configuration page for a unifi controller.
@ thanks I’ll give it a go
Some of my cameras just show black screen, hope they get this sorted out soon as the cameras have more features for over half the price of unifi cameras..
Having a dedicated ai port per camera seems a waste. Why not have a vm/ai equipped machine do multiple streams at once over the network?
The 3rd party cameras can be adopted over internet? This option was the best on Unifi Video 😢
We will have to try!
I've not tried across the internet, but if you click help in the top right, you can click advanced adoption and directly enter the IP address of the camera you want to adopt.
thank you
Does it support camera audio via ONVIF?
@@jasong5631 not sure as we don't do audio in Illinois but we can test it out.
I have 18 ONVIF cameras on 2 Dream machine PRO machines and none of them do audio yet. I trust they will add this option soon. In my State it is Ok to have audio at your own private residence outside, however some states and Commonwealths do not allow audio without special signage.
Synology are certainly need to up their game going forward. I assume you'll still using Synology for NAS services? I've got a small protect setup atm, but have rightly/wrongly ordered a 1821+ Synology unit to replace a QNAP TS-873A. Purely for Plex, doc storage and hyper-v backup integration. I was using Proxmox, but testing Hyper-V integration with Synology / Veem CE.
Anyone ever been able to make an amcrest to work ?
For $199 why would you not buy a new camera that has ai built in. Be interested to see what unifi ai has over Synology etc
yeah, I guess the only thing is if the camera is in a location that is hard to access and you don't feel like climbing up there
Totally agreed here, $199 + NVR is a high price to pay to update a camera for real world use (events, etc) for Protect with a (most likely) less performant in-line hardware component. To Willie's point though, if you had an expensive camera and wanting to pull them into Protect, makes sense. But for a budget Reolink or similar? Not really mathing out.
This would be very useful for slightly older higher end PTZ cams for hikvison etc. 25x zoom with ai events and license plate detection would be amazing.
@@steffenrommelaere357 true
Why would they not just integrate that 200 dollar addon in like a pro or enterprise nvr
The Synology CMS is still much superior to UniFi's limited multi site capabilities. It also supports encryption, granular user permissions, and more sophisticated ONVIF support. The downside is licensing...
@@ifneeded1 I'll do a new comparison.
A whole separate device? C'mon. My Axis cameras have great motion detection at the edge. That's all I need.
So do the Ubiquti cameras but if I paid like 8k for an Axis thermal camera and I want it on Protect -- I'll pay this small fee. Consider it perpetual licensing.
@WillieHowe I was thinking the same. Still a bummer they don't just implement full ONVIF and give us events
On my Hikvision cameras I can only select the low resolution stream. I have an 8MP camera but can only record HD or worse so this Unifi Onvif feature seems not useful to me at present.
Lost me at $199, I'll stick with blueiris on a VM running any camera
Over priced device as usual
In my system log, I keep seeing that third-party cameras are offline. Is anyone experiencing that?
I don't understand it since it's referring to hard-wired cameras.
I haven't seen that yet.