HA! An ONT and a router inside a 10G SFP+ - amazing! I don't think many of us are going to have/use/need 5 Gig, but you're probably good for the rest of the decade now. The fiber connector is a SC-APC type connector - aka 'Stick and Click'.
oh gosh how timely, I just figured out all the configuration I needed to do on my ATT fiber modem to stop unifi from spamming me with latency alerts! This is the next level!
I have a 2.5gig Open Reach (optical network transceiver?) Then use an ASUS router as my ISP router uses a different set of LAN IP addresses to my PiHole. It is just a ISP wide password required. EE website quite helpful with that. Ethernet cables are probably more robust for home use.
@@dj_paultuk7052 we must be talking about different layers. You could enlighten me as to which layer PPOE?? works at. That is all I had to do to set up my router. Since that was 6 months ago I have forgotten the protocol I configured.
These devices are equivalent to an ONT and their purpose is to identify your connection to the ISP's equipment. Different ISPs use different methods to do this but it's common to use a mac address or serial number of the unit. PON is a type of network which stands for Passive Optical Network which is a point to multi-point connection, meaning the fibre cable that comes to your home is shared between many other subscribers (generally less than 64 for most ISPs).
It’s very expensive for what it is tbh. I rather suspect I’ll end up going back to opnsense or something else entirely self built. STH has a 1u atom based system that is half the price and way more customizable.
I feel the same with my UDM SE. It’s meh. It works, that’s about all I can say about it. Sometimes I think my previous gl.inet router running openwrt was better.
Moreover, if you have a business account, ATT may offer different ways to connect your router. The technician said only biz accounts are allowed to be connected directly via SFP avoiding ATT router.
I seriously doubt that, as ATT Modem gets a WAN ip for Modem then give you your LAN ips to use. But would love to find out if it does indeed; i dont have a static account.
As an American we typically say `zee` but I believe the rest of the English speaking world refer to it as `zed`. Thank you for this video. I have a UDM-Pro, and have a question. Does the PON show up as a 10gb device in the SPF+ port or does it show up as a 5gb device? Thanks!
It actually does, temps rise very quickly so i installed active cooling keeping it in line with the operating temp of the ONT Stick. I also bought some bigger cooling fins for it to put on all 3 sides to drop the operating temp down even more; But have not yet cut and mounted it.
@@505Cisco How hot is the max operating temp of it? I imagine it can get very hot with no problem. Cooling it down won't make it perform better, it's not a CPU
@@estusflask982 theres 2 variants on the website one is 160 and other one is 180 i believe. Might work still at its max temp but as we all know the hoter a device gets the components will not last. Also theres a reason why manufacturers come up with limits on devices; shelf life… CPU is a bigger chip, this tiny device also has a cpu but smaller.
Hi, you mentioned that the purpose of doing this workaround is because of the broken bridge mode on the OG ONT box from AT&T. I'm curious on what the exactly problem is, because I'm currently on another company's Fiber network and their ONT doesn't seem to have this issue as I can directly run an RJ45 ethernet cable from the ONT to my UDM Pro's WAN port and it just works...?
With the AT&T Fiber service when configured in bridge mode, using a UDM as an example, the UDM still sends traffic to the AT&T router before going out to the internet. With the solution shown here you eliminate the extra hop to the AT&T gear.
Zee/Zed, it's a regional thing. But what I always wondered, why isn't also Bed, Ced, Ded, Ed, Ged, Ped, Ted, Ved, and of course Zed. What makes "Z" so special - except being last.
8311 user here. You don't need to update (as in mandatory) and it's not a cat and mouse game. It's just convenient feature. The ONU modded mimic as best as it can a real device from AT&T. From them to prevent you from using it would most likely make them render all current device inoperative. What they can do on the other hand, is if you miss config something and hammer their network with error (and such) to possibly "ban" you. Highly unlikely though.
Hey, Taz here. I work for a Fiber / WISP provider. Most networks have automated monitors toe prevent intrusions from unauthorized devices. Worse case it, it wont ban him but will ban the device MAC that is preconfigured. They will then just re-issue a Fiber ONT and make you pay for a service call. Or, they could do worse. lol
Yes, there are various avenues to prevent these ONT cloning hacks. When they originally rolled out XGS-PON, they did so "by accident". If people don't make a mess of things, T will not be motivated to do anything about it. As far as support, they can't see your RG and that's as far as it'll go. (truck roll, and/or mail you a new one.)
@@BeardedTaz-Official The only way one would get banned would be by making a mess that requires the attention of an engineer. And "banned" would be a flag for the address / name in the billing system, and then a tech physically disconnects your fiber.
I'm French Canadian... So Zed sound French to me. But I ear both prononciation, depending on the usage. So in your case, I vote for KTZeee. It gives it more of a radio station vibe... 😊
Main reason for this Bypass no One is Talking about or even Know is the 'NAT SESSION MAX ON ATT MODEM" That means ATT Modem has a maximum Nat sessions available and when you get close to it your lattency will skyrocket and internet will stop working. This will Bypass those max limits because you are now using a differen Router or Fiber Firewall that handles the Routing now... It works Great and Highly Recomended for all....
Zed is technically the correct version in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canada, India, Australia, and New Zealand, and zee is technically correct in the United States.
I'm not familiar with the different UK regional accents, but to my ears you sound like you might be from the same general area as James Corden, or as I refer to him, Craig Owens: Father of Stormageddon, Destroyer of Worlds. Just how far off am I?
Yes its the amount of subscribers. Its broken down like this... fiber from home goes back to att box in the street wich was divided by 64 fibers then rides back to att office to equipment wich has cards and in those cards theres other ports too wich do the same as your path. So lets say 100 gigs to each card at office, then it has 10 ports on card so thats 10 gigs each then divides by 64 to each house. So technically it isnt feasable to maintain the speeds of each subscriber
i wonder if it's possible to do this to the UK's openreach Fiber network, instead of using those crappy Nokia ONTs they provide us with, i would love to find out if it's possible
If your ISP router also supplies telephone service with an RJ13 jack along with the Fibre connection, is there a way to replicate the telephone service with your own hardware?
Cannot be done as the internal of the other end is soldered to the Motherboard of ATT Modem. Plus even if you did, it would only be a fiber to ethernet converter and would still need the ONT part of this to make the actual connection to ATT Network
@@505Cisco I asked as other videos done have shown the SFP unit to be as designed, removalble. Ah well, back to hacking and undoing the cheapness of providers.
HA! An ONT and a router inside a 10G SFP+ - amazing! I don't think many of us are going to have/use/need 5 Gig, but you're probably good for the rest of the decade now.
The fiber connector is a SC-APC type connector - aka 'Stick and Click'.
Alex, I can honestly say that I never thought I would be happy to watch you in a PON video...
oh gosh how timely, I just figured out all the configuration I needed to do on my ATT fiber modem to stop unifi from spamming me with latency alerts! This is the next level!
I wish this was available for Open Reach here in the UK, keep up the good content
I've been looking at this. I can't see why you couldn't clone mac onto sfp and remove the ont
I used to use a FTTC openreach box I got for cheap off ebay. "last mile" was still copper then. Good luck with your FTTH endeavours!
I have a 2.5gig Open Reach (optical network transceiver?) Then use an ASUS router as my ISP router uses a different set of LAN IP addresses to my PiHole. It is just a ISP wide password required. EE website quite helpful with that. Ethernet cables are probably more robust for home use.
In the UK, for BT, the BT ONT Serial Number is what is used for FTTP service authentication. So providing you clone that serial number it should work.
@@dj_paultuk7052 we must be talking about different layers. You could enlighten me as to which layer PPOE?? works at. That is all I had to do to set up my router. Since that was 6 months ago I have forgotten the protocol I configured.
These devices are equivalent to an ONT and their purpose is to identify your connection to the ISP's equipment. Different ISPs use different methods to do this but it's common to use a mac address or serial number of the unit. PON is a type of network which stands for Passive Optical Network which is a point to multi-point connection, meaning the fibre cable that comes to your home is shared between many other subscribers (generally less than 64 for most ISPs).
"I don't love it. I don't hate it." 😅 Well, that's a different take on UDM PM than we've heard from Ubiquity fan reviews!
It’s very expensive for what it is tbh.
I rather suspect I’ll end up going back to opnsense or something else entirely self built. STH has a 1u atom based system that is half the price and way more customizable.
I feel the same with my UDM SE. It’s meh. It works, that’s about all I can say about it.
Sometimes I think my previous gl.inet router running openwrt was better.
Glad I moved back to the Netherlands where the ISP can’t prevent you from using your own modem.👍
cool story Boomer
@@chimpo131 lol what
Any modem you buy isn’t going to be anywhere close to what the was-110 into a custom router. Pipe down if you’re not even xgs-pon
Att doesn’t prevent you from using another modem. There just isn’t another modem out there
Oh what a great day.
I have been trying to do this exact thing. AT&T pos gateway and modem is a paper weight at best.
Thank you 🎉
Great video! I have a quick question: will this setup work with static public IP addresses purchased from AT&T for business use?
Yes but that is for you to configure on your router. If you are not familiar with that, good luck ;)
Moreover, if you have a business account, ATT may offer different ways to connect your router. The technician said only biz accounts are allowed to be connected directly via SFP avoiding ATT router.
I seriously doubt that, as ATT Modem gets a WAN ip for Modem then give you your LAN ips to use. But would love to find out if it does indeed; i dont have a static account.
Solid video, nice work.
As an American we typically say `zee` but I believe the rest of the English speaking world refer to it as `zed`.
Thank you for this video. I have a UDM-Pro, and have a question. Does the PON show up as a 10gb device in the SPF+ port or does it show up as a 5gb device? Thanks!
I would love to get the stick with the firmware installed. Thats a big reason for me why I didn’t get one yet lol
If you get it from the 8311 group it comes with the latest firmware up to a week old, but it will still work with the old firmware KTZ bought it with.
Great video! Any Australians here that got this working on the Opticomm network?
Heyyy, let's go, we use the same module for Bypassing Livebox's from french ISP Orange on their new XGS-Pon network, we call this stick an ONT ;)
Awesome! Does it get really hot to the point it would need active cooling?
It actually does, temps rise very quickly so i installed active cooling keeping it in line with the operating temp of the ONT Stick. I also bought some bigger cooling fins for it to put on all 3 sides to drop the operating temp down even more; But have not yet cut and mounted it.
@@505Cisco How hot is the max operating temp of it? I imagine it can get very hot with no problem. Cooling it down won't make it perform better, it's not a CPU
@@estusflask982 theres 2 variants on the website one is 160 and other one is 180 i believe. Might work still at its max temp but as we all know the hoter a device gets the components will not last. Also theres a reason why manufacturers come up with limits on devices; shelf life… CPU is a bigger chip, this tiny device also has a cpu but smaller.
Hi, you mentioned that the purpose of doing this workaround is because of the broken bridge mode on the OG ONT box from AT&T. I'm curious on what the exactly problem is, because I'm currently on another company's Fiber network and their ONT doesn't seem to have this issue as I can directly run an RJ45 ethernet cable from the ONT to my UDM Pro's WAN port and it just works...?
With the AT&T Fiber service when configured in bridge mode, using a UDM as an example, the UDM still sends traffic to the AT&T router before going out to the internet. With the solution shown here you eliminate the extra hop to the AT&T gear.
My mind replaces last phrase with "until next time, I'm Jeff Geerling". Am I alone?
You can bridge the 320. Log into it and setup ip pass-through. It will hand-off the public address to the lan.
Zee/Zed, it's a regional thing. But what I always wondered, why isn't also Bed, Ced, Ded, Ed, Ged, Ped, Ted, Ved, and of course Zed. What makes "Z" so special - except being last.
The early access firmware will give you much easier NAT configuration. Check it out if you haven’t yet!
UniFi firmware?
@@ktzsystems haha yes sorry I should have mentioned that 😂
Is it stable?
If only I had fibre at home. VDSL2 copper for me in rural outskirts of Auckland NZ
8311 user here.
You don't need to update (as in mandatory) and it's not a cat and mouse game.
It's just convenient feature. The ONU modded mimic as best as it can a real device from AT&T. From them to prevent you from using it would most likely make them render all current device inoperative.
What they can do on the other hand, is if you miss config something and hammer their network with error (and such) to possibly "ban" you. Highly unlikely though.
Great info!
Hey, Taz here. I work for a Fiber / WISP provider. Most networks have automated monitors toe prevent intrusions from unauthorized devices. Worse case it, it wont ban him but will ban the device MAC that is preconfigured. They will then just re-issue a Fiber ONT and make you pay for a service call. Or, they could do worse. lol
Yes, there are various avenues to prevent these ONT cloning hacks. When they originally rolled out XGS-PON, they did so "by accident". If people don't make a mess of things, T will not be motivated to do anything about it. As far as support, they can't see your RG and that's as far as it'll go. (truck roll, and/or mail you a new one.)
@@BeardedTaz-Official The only way one would get banned would be by making a mess that requires the attention of an engineer. And "banned" would be a flag for the address / name in the billing system, and then a tech physically disconnects your fiber.
PON - Passive Optical Network.
You have an ONT there. Optical Network Termination (or Terminator, think both work).
I'm French Canadian... So Zed sound French to me. But I ear both prononciation, depending on the usage. So in your case, I vote for KTZeee. It gives it more of a radio station vibe... 😊
Main reason for this Bypass no One is Talking about or even Know is the 'NAT SESSION MAX ON ATT MODEM" That means ATT Modem has a maximum Nat sessions available and when you get close to it your lattency will skyrocket and internet will stop working. This will Bypass those max limits because you are now using a differen Router or Fiber Firewall that handles the Routing now... It works Great and Highly Recomended for all....
Woah, so cool! Any Canadians on Telus with a Nokia ONT here?
Zed is technically the correct version in England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Canada, India, Australia, and New Zealand, and zee is technically correct in the United States.
I believe the correct term is PON on a Stick.
I'm not familiar with the different UK regional accents, but to my ears you sound like you might be from the same general area as James Corden, or as I refer to him, Craig Owens: Father of Stormageddon, Destroyer of Worlds. Just how far off am I?
I used to get 12ms ping on the same hardware and tracert always hangs at the 3rd ping
Mine is right around 10-12ms. What causes the increase? Over subscription?
Yes its the amount of subscribers. Its broken down like this... fiber from home goes back to att box in the street wich was divided by 64 fibers then rides back to att office to equipment wich has cards and in those cards theres other ports too wich do the same as your path. So lets say 100 gigs to each card at office, then it has 10 ports on card so thats 10 gigs each then divides by 64 to each house. So technically it isnt feasable to maintain the speeds of each subscriber
@@505Cisco What does bandwidth division have to do with increased latency and packet loss though?
Hi Alex, When in Rome. It's Zee for you now. Your Daughter will be calling you out once she goes off to school, otherwise.
Zee here. I didn’t know it was pronounced different until I heard Allan Jude forever ago say ZedFS and I couldn’t find anything. lol
i wonder if it's possible to do this to the UK's openreach Fiber network, instead of using those crappy Nokia ONTs they provide us with, i would love to find out if it's possible
If your ISP router also supplies telephone service with an RJ13 jack along with the Fibre connection, is there a way to replicate the telephone service with your own hardware?
8311 I hope mine arrives today
Same set up as you, I can't get it done.
It would be nice to see the temperature of this SFP module depending on the load
You can within the ONT Stick under 8311, Pon Status, Optical Status; the temp is there. Max on the stick is recomended 160 F and under
Guessing you just got one from the latest group buy I did too.
Yup! Ordered in August right when Digiblur put his video out.
16:17 those are upload speeds I need for what I do honestly.
good video
I wonder if this would work with my Mikrotik CCR
I have a static IP range from ATT would this work for me?
That PON/ONT has 1GB of memory, that's 4 times more than my family's first computer with Intel Pentium 2 xD
Is this possible for a Verizon FiOS install?
Thank you for creating great and useful content. I'm very curious about the 5Gbps fiber. Why so much bandwidth?
WHY NOT?!
@@ktzsystemsbased on the latest feeds, you generate more content with faster Internet 😂. Sad that ATT doesn't offer 10G plans
zed works for me!
Rooter......Love the accent....LOL
I'm an American... It's Zed. Zee sounds too much like B, C, D, P, T, and V
You don’t mention you need to be on a GPON network not an ABF network with AT&T
Aug group buy. Me too
I want one for my bell modem Bell
5 gig symmetric :| ridiculous speed
I'm disappointed you didn't know how to screen record
on linux
Z is "zed" !
Zed…
....and why not just pull the transciever out of th back of the modem, you know, the one the cable was plugged into the you disconnected?
I believe that is just a SFP fibre-to-ethernet adapter (Not sure about my terminology...)
Does it have one? I'm pretty sure these ISP combo boxes do it all internally.
Cannot be done as the internal of the other end is soldered to the Motherboard of ATT Modem. Plus even if you did, it would only be a fiber to ethernet converter and would still need the ONT part of this to make the actual connection to ATT Network
@@505Cisco I asked as other videos done have shown the SFP unit to be as designed, removalble. Ah well, back to hacking and undoing the cheapness of providers.
@@__Ben As I just said in other reply, I have seen others just pull them out and use them as what they are, media adapters.
AT&T will provide a GPON that you can plug the fiber directly into. This "hack" is stupid. 😂
Is there any work for the Verizon FiOS?