If anything, front shock oil should be heavier since front springs are stiffer. Also you should bleed the shocks. Fill to the top. The only air inside should be above the bladder, not below it. Loosely put the cap on, then compress the shock to push air and excess oil out. Keep it compressed and screw the top all the way. Some people like some rebound, but you have full rebound with excessive air and pressure.
@@JrsGasolineAlley You still bleed bladder shocks. There are many how to videos. None leave the shock fully expanded when tightening the caps. None say there should be air below the bladder. The only place that should have air is above the bladder. More recent videos recommend minimal rebound compared to the past.
Nope, its a little overdamped in stock like most rc, for jumping. For what this car is designed for you want stock damping, maybe even less, with a lil stiffer springs
@@Angry-Lynx My comment is not about which springs or oil weight you should choose. Whatever you choose, this is not the correct way to fill shocks. You need to bleed the air out. They wont compress correctly, will rebound inconsistently, and will bounce unpredictably if you leave all that air in the oil. The only air in the shocks should be the air trapped inside the bladder
I did 50 front 60 rear and put the rear firm springs on the front and rear. Thats right put rear springs in the front. I've just uploaded a video that shows the results
@@dexio8601 - I am running a 10,000 watt TP power 888kv motor and a 400 amp Rsnake ESC. I run at 50% power on the street and 75% in dirt and snow. I haven’t had the opportunity to run it in the dunes yet, but that’s what I designed it for, so we’ll see what 100% does there.
@@kingwillie206 ok great, yeah I just bought the springs from this video and will get the oil my question is how does this system compare to the stock one? And so far the drivetrain has been ok? Also, what batteries are you using.
The reason you were getting traction roll is because there was no oil in them. Higher viscosity (higher number) oil means the body will be slower to roll keeping the CG more centered on the chassis for longer. Lower viscosity will lead to body roll as the fluid travels through the pistons faster and more of your CG will get to the outside tires faster leading to a roll over. Much of the rollover tendencies actually isnt in the shocks as shocks just absorb impacts but instead is in the tuning of the sway bar. Thicker sway bars will transfer forces and distribute it through both wheels. I must also include tha GPM parts suck, especially their springs as they will start to sag dramatically in less than a month.
How the heck does high viscosity flow Faster 😂 you got some logic wrong here bud. The valves flow easier with Lower viscosity. Increasing body roll due to rapid cg shift. To rid your self of traction roll, rebuild the rear diff and open it up a bit to keep the high traction wheel from kicking the rear over itself.
The main thing is adding a second shock piston in the rear behind the existing shocks, but you can probably leave the spring off. That adds so much extra dampening that the negatives of a solid axle trophy truck design are countered without losing the awesomeness of all that articulation and travel. But I'm also really interested in possibly increasing the diff oil viscosity in the rear and even more dampening in the front shocks with some thicker oil possibly as well. I've solved the problem for the super Baja. Ray but the super Rock Rey is twice the pain when it comes to rollovers and donkey kicking. And the super Rock Ray breaks when it crashes, unlike the SBR 😞... Hopefully some of the shock tuning in this video may help!
@@HardlyBrandon I got the tip from a forum, and I decided to try it because it was flipping all over the place in the heavy sand... All I had that size was a shock off a baja 5b... I took the spring off and mounted it pretty easily directly behind the existing rears... It was a huge difference without any fiddling to make it perfect, and then I had a bunch of life stuff happen, so I never got back to it... Anyway, here's my first test if you want to see it... th-cam.com/video/dIYtghgk2l0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the feedback. Ive got the parts ordered to build a second set. Oil weight alone can only do so much in the rear with how much weight moves on that fulcrum. The front end is an easy fix. I’ll let you know how it goes when the parts arrive
Are you talking about buying another set of the same shocks that come with the truck or will another brand of shock fit.. I think at least 100mm i think?
Well with stiffer springs. If you don't change the oil, your rebound will speed up considerably because of the stored potential energy in the stiffer springs. Shock, oil and springs go together
New subb for me i'm really interrested .. normally it's a futur project to have a baja and we could see a lot of vidéo... that s complicated to drive correctly the baja without always ending up on the roof😅 great présentation friend 👌have a fun day 😁👋🇫🇷
GPM SB170R/L/SP SPARE SPRINGS 2.5MM REAR 170MM TEAM LOSI 1/6 4WD SUPER BAJA REY GPM SB132F/L/SP SPARE SPRINGS 2.4MM F 132MM TEAM LOSI 1/6 4WD SUPER BAJA REY
This video helped alot with retuning the shocks for my SBR but i had issues with the rebound not being consistent between the shocks. Eventually found this old video from Losi that helped me tune the rebound for these bladder type shocks as close to perfect as i could whish. th-cam.com/video/HNJy7kreK90/w-d-xo.html
@@JrsGasolineAlley ahhh perfect I hoped so, I've not watched the video yet I've saved a few on suspension as its an idsue I'm having with mine, I look forward to watching it im sure you'll hear from me again after I've always got questions lol.......👍👌👍
Shoot, I missed the part where you paid to watch the video, sorry about that, submit for a refund with YT. P.s. that one video on your channel sure does inspire me to not post unless the video is perfect.
And just like that….you need a life…you couldn’t tell the front shock wasn’t messed up? You should’ve. Saw it in the first of the video. Stop spending your mom and dads money. Lame.
If anything, front shock oil should be heavier since front springs are stiffer. Also you should bleed the shocks. Fill to the top. The only air inside should be above the bladder, not below it. Loosely put the cap on, then compress the shock to push air and excess oil out. Keep it compressed and screw the top all the way. Some people like some rebound, but you have full rebound with excessive air and pressure.
These are bladder capped
@@JrsGasolineAlley You still bleed bladder shocks. There are many how to videos. None leave the shock fully expanded when tightening the caps. None say there should be air below the bladder. The only place that should have air is above the bladder. More recent videos recommend minimal rebound compared to the past.
@@JrsGasolineAlley th-cam.com/video/afer1DZYIEw/w-d-xo.html
Nope, its a little overdamped in stock like most rc, for jumping. For what this car is designed for you want stock damping, maybe even less, with a lil stiffer springs
@@Angry-Lynx My comment is not about which springs or oil weight you should choose. Whatever you choose, this is not the correct way to fill shocks. You need to bleed the air out. They wont compress correctly, will rebound inconsistently, and will bounce unpredictably if you leave all that air in the oil. The only air in the shocks should be the air trapped inside the bladder
I'll need to try this for when I'm on grass. The stock tune is fun to watch because it's so plush and squishy but the traction roll !
Did you manage to reduce the roll overs?
My sbr2 shocks were basically empty too, I filled the front with 60wt and rear with 80wt
I did 50 front 60 rear and put the rear firm springs on the front and rear. Thats right put rear springs in the front. I've just uploaded a video that shows the results
Have you got a link sir?
I’ll definitely need to tune the shocks for mine because I’m running a 12s system.
Yeah definitely
Really Willie? What system you running? How does it go.....
@@dexio8601 - I am running a 10,000 watt TP power 888kv motor and a 400 amp Rsnake ESC. I run at 50% power on the street and 75% in dirt and snow. I haven’t had the opportunity to run it in the dunes yet, but that’s what I designed it for, so we’ll see what 100% does there.
@@dexio8601 - I upgraded the springs and thickened the oil BTW and I still need more dampening. Extra dampers in the rear should do the trick.
@@kingwillie206 ok great, yeah I just bought the springs from this video and will get the oil my question is how does this system compare to the stock one? And so far the drivetrain has been ok? Also, what batteries are you using.
The reason you were getting traction roll is because there was no oil in them. Higher viscosity (higher number) oil means the body will be slower to roll keeping the CG more centered on the chassis for longer. Lower viscosity will lead to body roll as the fluid travels through the pistons faster and more of your CG will get to the outside tires faster leading to a roll over. Much of the rollover tendencies actually isnt in the shocks as shocks just absorb impacts but instead is in the tuning of the sway bar. Thicker sway bars will transfer forces and distribute it through both wheels. I must also include tha GPM parts suck, especially their springs as they will start to sag dramatically in less than a month.
How the heck does high viscosity flow Faster 😂 you got some logic wrong here bud.
The valves flow easier with Lower viscosity. Increasing body roll due to rapid cg shift.
To rid your self of traction roll, rebuild the rear diff and open it up a bit to keep the high traction wheel from kicking the rear over itself.
The main thing is adding a second shock piston in the rear behind the existing shocks, but you can probably leave the spring off. That adds so much extra dampening that the negatives of a solid axle trophy truck design are countered without losing the awesomeness of all that articulation and travel. But I'm also really interested in possibly increasing the diff oil viscosity in the rear and even more dampening in the front shocks with some thicker oil possibly as well. I've solved the problem for the super Baja. Ray but the super Rock Rey is twice the pain when it comes to rollovers and donkey kicking. And the super Rock Ray breaks when it crashes, unlike the SBR 😞... Hopefully some of the shock tuning in this video may help!
What did you use as a second shock?
@@HardlyBrandon I got the tip from a forum, and I decided to try it because it was flipping all over the place in the heavy sand... All I had that size was a shock off a baja 5b... I took the spring off and mounted it pretty easily directly behind the existing rears... It was a huge difference without any fiddling to make it perfect, and then I had a bunch of life stuff happen, so I never got back to it... Anyway, here's my first test if you want to see it... th-cam.com/video/dIYtghgk2l0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the feedback. Ive got the parts ordered to build a second set. Oil weight alone can only do so much in the rear with how much weight moves on that fulcrum. The front end is an easy fix. I’ll let you know how it goes when the parts arrive
@@HardlyBrandon that's awesome 💯 can't wait to see and follow your results!
Are you talking about buying another set of the same shocks that come with the truck or will another brand of shock fit.. I think at least 100mm i think?
Sbr2's sound so angry loud ! Ive had one or two peeps ask me if it's nitro 😂.
lol it is mean
I just emailed Horizon Hobby. They said 60wt oil is used in both front and back from the factory.
I believe this. 35wt seemed to be awfully light, I use that in my 10th scale...
Class place for a bash bro
Thanks
Front has a bent sway bar end link.
What part number for the springs?
Im new to RC and I’m trying build my senton can I add these King Shocks ? 100mm or should I go with the 90mm
Great video. I’ve watched it a few times already. What kind of tires do you have on there.🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dboots Backflip 6s
She needs a little stiffer springs but i would left dampers oil weight stock, unless you do big jumps this car is not meant to do anyway ;
Well with stiffer springs. If you don't change the oil, your rebound will speed up considerably because of the stored potential energy in the stiffer springs. Shock, oil and springs go together
where did you get your tool box? Pelican? SKB?
New subb for me i'm really interrested .. normally it's a futur project to have a baja and we could see a lot of vidéo... that s complicated to drive correctly the baja without always ending up on the roof😅 great présentation friend 👌have a fun day 😁👋🇫🇷
Nice. I hope you get one, it's a great truck
Dude increases the throttle. You yst messed up the suspension on that truck that was on point
Are those 132mm Front and 170mm rear?
What are the part numbers for the springs?
GPM SB170R/L/SP SPARE SPRINGS 2.5MM REAR 170MM TEAM LOSI 1/6 4WD SUPER BAJA REY
GPM SB132F/L/SP SPARE SPRINGS 2.4MM F 132MM TEAM LOSI 1/6 4WD SUPER BAJA REY
Superclean is super harsh on aluminum and seals, so get it off quick. Simple green isn't like that
This video helped alot with retuning the shocks for my SBR but i had issues with the rebound not being consistent between the shocks. Eventually found this old video from Losi that helped me tune the rebound for these bladder type shocks as close to perfect as i could whish.
th-cam.com/video/HNJy7kreK90/w-d-xo.html
I’m gonna go ahead and assumed you mix two different oils from two different manufacturers because that’s all you had next time just use a 42.5 weight
Happy with how it came out.
What is traction rolling?😅
*A traction roll occurs when the car has too much grip and flips over.*
@@JrsGasolineAlley ahhh perfect I hoped so, I've not watched the video yet I've saved a few on suspension as its an idsue I'm having with mine, I look forward to watching it im sure you'll hear from me again after I've always got questions lol.......👍👌👍
The video quality isn’t the greatest, it cuts out and lags throughout. Just figured I’d let you know
Shoot, I missed the part where you paid to watch the video, sorry about that, submit for a refund with YT.
P.s. that one video on your channel sure does inspire me to not post unless the video is perfect.
@@JrsGasolineAlleyг-не надо быть агрессивным , все же можно было ответить спокойнее на комментарий о том что в видео были неполадки .
And just like that….you need a life…you couldn’t tell the front shock wasn’t messed up? You should’ve. Saw it in the first of the video.
Stop spending your mom and dads money. Lame.
Lol you are something