i will say, it's one thing if the basic lands had actual art on them similar to what they do for Secret Lairs like "Here's basic lands with Urza at different places" but no of course not. And i'm sure WotC has old promos floating around they could had easily handed out and at least those volunteering to be a judge would be content. Imagine getting a free Food Chain with that amazing art for free, and there's so many others.
The accumulated filth of all their misplays and cheating will foam up about their waists and all the Spikes and Johnnys will look up and shout 'JUDGE!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.
Rather than Wizzers using free labor in exchange for cards, the Judge Academy took your money in exchange for cards. Sounds like quite a racket for both of them really.
So to become a judge you had to pay and if you wanted to learn more you had to pay more? Sounds like they adopted the Scientology model. Quite fitting since both parties are dealing with fantasy elements
There is no need for the judges anymore, because you don’t need a judge for Arena. The software is the judge. The pro tour will only be playing on Arena and WotC doesn’t care about the peasants that play at their local LGS. They want the peons playing Arena and only collecting cardboard. They are trying the same thing with D&D. The people running WotC and D&D are ex-Microsoft execs….
Not that i expect to see it but i would love to hear WOTC's reasoning behind eliminating the Judge academy and how they plan on how to move forward. I am not a judge but if i was other than helping out at my local LGS i would not do any judging as things currently stand.
There won't be judges anymore. On arena the program is the judge and that's it. There are less and less organized paper magic tournaments and I think that hasbro/wotc will shut them down one by one
All the bowl of petunias thought as it plummeted toward the rocky terrain below was, "Oh no, not again". Many have speculated why the bowl of petunias had that specific thought as it fell, positing that should we understand the thought process of an improbable pot of flora plummeting toward the earth, we might have a better understanding of our place in the universe.
They had a good model, then cut a few corners to save money. Saw it worked, and said, this is what we will do moving forward. Then they made more cuts, saw it worked, and added that to the model. Then they increased product and prices and saw increased revenue. Saw it worked, and added that to the model. Now, they have no idea what made them profitable in the first place due to the cut corners and bloat. Now, wizards is a bloated, mutated mess, and have no idea what they used to be and what they are now.
Honestly, the most common sentiment among judges I've seen has been "They've lasted longer, than I expected". Judge level and certification hasn't meant anything for a long time now. TOs picked from a pool of judges, they (or people working for them) know with confirmed skills and will still be doing so. The only meaningful difference is no more conference foils and that's basically it. Pokemon and FaB do fairly well with their judge programs. It's sad to see the oldest and most famous TCG on the market are not able to keep up with them in these areas.
No dobrze, ale jest jakiś plan, co będzie dalej? Bo na to pytanie nie ma odpowiedzi, a chyba jednak musiało się zdarzyć coś "większego", żeby 7 dni wyprzedzenia było na wypowiedzenie tej umowy z Wizardami. Bo sędziowie dotychczasowi są trochę w panice teraz w Europie, a podobno w USA sobie szybko z tym wszystkim poradzili i od razu mają swoją nową organizację sędziowską, podczas gdy Europa jest na lodzie pod tym kątem...
@@UndeadAbomination Planu nie ma i raczej dopóki Wizardzi czegoś nie wymyślą, to nie będzie. Jakiekolwiek organizacje, które powstaną w międzyczasie, będą imo bez znaczenia w szerszej perspektywie. Nie zakładałbym też, że było 7 dni wypowiedzenia umowy. Nie wiemy, co się działo za kulisami, ale nie sądzę, że sytuacja powstała z dnia na dzień.
@@Stilghar No to się ze wszystkim zgadzamy. Wychodzi na to, że jednak cały pomysł z Judge Academy w istocie nie był do końca trafiony. Wizardzi na dobrą sprawę muszą coś wymyślić. Bo to że sobie tu jeden z drugim yt-berem nakręcą dramę, że hur-dur koniec magica, nie przekłada się od lat na rzeczywistość. I wbrew pozorom ta gra nie jest w tak fatalnej kondycji jak mówią.
I stopped judging when the Judge Academy was created. It was created and run by a TO that would have me drive 90+ miles just to be on call for an event and then never need me.
Honestly, as a former judge myself, it's for the best. Every other year or so WotC would make a change that would turn the judge program for the worse. I wish people talked more about how WotC treats judges like garbage.
I was a L2 judge and TO at one point. I liked getting paid in lunches and usually got a box/event. Back before every LGS could have a prerelease, I'd work for a Premier TO and get paid for every flight/draft that I ran. I'd also TO/judge/play in our LGS's FNM and casual events but for a discounted entry fee. Being a judge used to be fun and incentivized but now it's just a hassle. I'm perfectly fine answering questions at our events without having "certification".
The smaller pool of judges under Hasbro seems likely. They're like celebrity spokespersons they can regulate and observe closely. There are certainly ways they could even put numbers in black on their earnings sheets if they market merch from these judges like pre-made decks, boxes, and other mtg play materials.
So the new pro tour won't have judges? What is going to be like a honor system where they ask no one to cheat to win the price money cause you know that's never been a problem
I completely disagree with you about where Wizard's priority lies. It has lied within the realm of extracting as much money from their bases wallets as possible since 2021, consequences be damned.
@@michaelwintermantel9127 I meant more as of they started really quadrupling down into excess product and increased prices amongst their highest grossing year.
I dont blame WOTC for this. The litigation from volunteer program (who wanted to be paid) is still cascading across all hobby games. Miniature wargaming, tcg's, etc. they are all afraid to sponsor volunteer programs. It destroyed many local gaming clubs as you really need a champion for the game at your LGS.
When i became a judge for 20 U$. I got counterspell, Incinerate & a deck of playing cards. Plus a letter saying i had to pay to renew my judge membership. (the letter was send at the start of the new year. A lot of people must not have paid to renew.)
No what Wizards wants is for the judges to pay them to be in the academy rather than the third party one. Just wait for the subscription to turn up in Arena. I would also not be surprised if there is purchase and participation requirements on Arena to even get an invite to the Judge Academy. Also I think you are right with the Pro Tour judges,, why would they go to all the trouble of locking down the Pro players and not the judges with NDA, I feel like that it's probably plugging a Loop hole there.
Kinda not shocked by this happening after magicon vegas. didn't see any of the typical black shirt judges at the events and it felt a little jarring in that they were all wearing blue 'event organizer' tshirts (like it was a hasty change)
It wasn't long ago we were all talking about how crappy the judge academy was. They will most likely go back to the old way of having tests. And sending cards for judging events without any oversight.
Patrons rule, and rightfully so. We judge, we make the rulings. I guess there will be some "core Judges" that are tightly bound to WotC and any other can call themselves "rules advisor". Will there be more Judge promos? Perhaps, but with only a limited number of them these promos will likely be more like the "heroes of the realm", i.e. something more personal than the general selection of cards handed out over the last years. Funny thing, that judge promo Island can become of the more expensive ones as it was hard to come by - unless the crumbling judge academy got plenty of them and now hands them out along with the rest because they just don't care anymore.
Honestly, many judges I've met are obnoxious pricks. They parade around as if they are king of the nerds or something and half the time they are wrong when making a call.
Ever since this happened, my local LGS has had a lot of issues on regards to rules, because the owner and the person in charge are not the best on regards to rules. I decided to stop playing because of this.
So much happening right now. At the core, outsourcing your judge program could’ve been sensible, maybe they can or have already found a better partner to do so? 🤔
do I get the free membership just so I can run the tests and see if their 'study resources' are actually informative? I mean Ive considered pursuing judge certification before, and even if it can't be officially anymore through the academy, it COULD be a study guide, right?
I hate seeing comments about "how bad" it is for a company to want to make a lot of money. I have news for you: If you work for an employer who pays you, YOU MAKE MONEY BECAUSE THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR MAKES MONEY! You have benefits and paid time off and perks because of this. Companies have lots and lots of expenses. You are one of them. They don't keep everything they make! Ugh.
RL can be reprinted. Any general counsel worth his or her salt is saying no because it is inviting aggravation WOTC doesn't need. The world of people who can actually successfully claim promissory estoppel is tiny.
We have a shorter growing season so it's earlier than the USA. And if your not American and don't know Thanksgiving at all its kinda like a harvest celebration traditionally with family.
Sometimes it seems that WotC has literally never made a good decision. This entire situation is so absurd. It's a failure on every level and in every entity involved. Conventions of nearly any type have always depended on volunteers, and that's what the Judge program always seemed to be. I see ads asking for volunteers for DragonCon, Momocon, etc months and months before the events, and swag/being behind the scenes is the hook. Tard Wrangling some literally who z-list actor at DragonCon _was_ the perk. Judges asking for benefits was pretty silly. The Judge Academy just came across a sketchy con job from the get-go. All WotC had to do was say no to the nitwits asking for benefits, spend 0.001% of their income to set up an internal team to better vet judge applicants to keep the rampant kid touchers out (there is a problem with this since woke leftists are almost guaranteed to be kid touchers), and this whole silly situation would have ended up infinity times better than this. It's all so stupid.
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You know something's about to go down when the judge promos turn into basic lands😬
i will say, it's one thing if the basic lands had actual art on them similar to what they do for Secret Lairs like "Here's basic lands with Urza at different places" but no of course not. And i'm sure WotC has old promos floating around they could had easily handed out and at least those volunteering to be a judge would be content. Imagine getting a free Food Chain with that amazing art for free, and there's so many others.
Correct
The accumulated filth of all their misplays and cheating will foam up about their waists and all the Spikes and Johnnys will look up and shout 'JUDGE!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.
Loooooove the Rorschach reference 😂
Keep lettin’ them know Who Watches the Wizards
They wont get the judge they need, but the judge they deserve... 😂
Rather than Wizzers using free labor in exchange for cards, the Judge Academy took your money in exchange for cards. Sounds like quite a racket for both of them really.
Can't wait for Wizards's Surprised Pikachu Face when they have no judges for their events anymore
They won't need them anymore. The tournaments will be via arena and the only judge they need there is the software.
So to become a judge you had to pay and if you wanted to learn more you had to pay more? Sounds like they adopted the Scientology model. Quite fitting since both parties are dealing with fantasy elements
Someone probably said "i became a judge for WotC to help people enjoy MTG and all i got was this lousy t shirt."
There is no need for the judges anymore, because you don’t need a judge for Arena. The software is the judge. The pro tour will only be playing on Arena and WotC doesn’t care about the peasants that play at their local LGS. They want the peons playing Arena and only collecting cardboard. They are trying the same thing with D&D. The people running WotC and D&D are ex-Microsoft execs….
Imagine taking over a company and completely reversing the product line and expecting it to succeed. They're only thinking short term gains.
I wonder how often wotc/hasbro has to show " we cant be relied on" until people just stop to give them any credit.
Not that i expect to see it but i would love to hear WOTC's reasoning behind eliminating the Judge academy and how they plan on how to move forward. I am not a judge but if i was other than helping out at my local LGS i would not do any judging as things currently stand.
There won't be judges anymore. On arena the program is the judge and that's it. There are less and less organized paper magic tournaments and I think that hasbro/wotc will shut them down one by one
Oh darn. Does this mean those incredible basic land judge promos won't be available? Where will I ever find basic lands now?
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All the bowl of petunias thought as it plummeted toward the rocky terrain below was, "Oh no, not again". Many have speculated why the bowl of petunias had that specific thought as it fell, positing that should we understand the thought process of an improbable pot of flora plummeting toward the earth, we might have a better understanding of our place in the universe.
I hope wotc winds up like the whale
They had a good model, then cut a few corners to save money. Saw it worked, and said, this is what we will do moving forward. Then they made more cuts, saw it worked, and added that to the model. Then they increased product and prices and saw increased revenue. Saw it worked, and added that to the model. Now, they have no idea what made them profitable in the first place due to the cut corners and bloat. Now, wizards is a bloated, mutated mess, and have no idea what they used to be and what they are now.
Very well put
Honestly, the most common sentiment among judges I've seen has been "They've lasted longer, than I expected".
Judge level and certification hasn't meant anything for a long time now. TOs picked from a pool of judges, they (or people working for them) know with confirmed skills and will still be doing so.
The only meaningful difference is no more conference foils and that's basically it.
Pokemon and FaB do fairly well with their judge programs. It's sad to see the oldest and most famous TCG on the market are not able to keep up with them in these areas.
Comma splicing
No dobrze, ale jest jakiś plan, co będzie dalej? Bo na to pytanie nie ma odpowiedzi, a chyba jednak musiało się zdarzyć coś "większego", żeby 7 dni wyprzedzenia było na wypowiedzenie tej umowy z Wizardami. Bo sędziowie dotychczasowi są trochę w panice teraz w Europie, a podobno w USA sobie szybko z tym wszystkim poradzili i od razu mają swoją nową organizację sędziowską, podczas gdy Europa jest na lodzie pod tym kątem...
@@UndeadAbomination Planu nie ma i raczej dopóki Wizardzi czegoś nie wymyślą, to nie będzie. Jakiekolwiek organizacje, które powstaną w międzyczasie, będą imo bez znaczenia w szerszej perspektywie.
Nie zakładałbym też, że było 7 dni wypowiedzenia umowy. Nie wiemy, co się działo za kulisami, ale nie sądzę, że sytuacja powstała z dnia na dzień.
@@Stilghar No to się ze wszystkim zgadzamy. Wychodzi na to, że jednak cały pomysł z Judge Academy w istocie nie był do końca trafiony. Wizardzi na dobrą sprawę muszą coś wymyślić. Bo to że sobie tu jeden z drugim yt-berem nakręcą dramę, że hur-dur koniec magica, nie przekłada się od lat na rzeczywistość. I wbrew pozorom ta gra nie jest w tak fatalnej kondycji jak mówią.
I stopped judging when the Judge Academy was created. It was created and run by a TO that would have me drive 90+ miles just to be on call for an event and then never need me.
Ya, man Ronald was a dick.. he did the same to me!
This is crazy. I have a guy at my LGS who was trying to become a judge
LOL, guess not anymore, LOL LOL
Honestly, as a former judge myself, it's for the best. Every other year or so WotC would make a change that would turn the judge program for the worse. I wish people talked more about how WotC treats judges like garbage.
Obviously they're lining up some celebrity TH-camrs to judge for them. The Magic Historian, coming soon to a pro tour near you.
5 months later and it turns out nothing happens next and no one cares apparently 😂
Yo I forgot that wotc was supposed to announce a replacement. You are absolutely right
I was a L2 judge and TO at one point. I liked getting paid in lunches and usually got a box/event. Back before every LGS could have a prerelease, I'd work for a Premier TO and get paid for every flight/draft that I ran. I'd also TO/judge/play in our LGS's FNM and casual events but for a discounted entry fee. Being a judge used to be fun and incentivized but now it's just a hassle. I'm perfectly fine answering questions at our events without having "certification".
I was a L3 and Leader in the mickey mouse club!!WOOT WOOT de WOOT!
I know that Wizards is probably going to leave the judge program even worse off, but I can't say I'm sad to see the so-called Judge Academy die.
Very suiting that your wearing the MTG JUDGE SHIRT let's go
The smaller pool of judges under Hasbro seems likely. They're like celebrity spokespersons they can regulate and observe closely. There are certainly ways they could even put numbers in black on their earnings sheets if they market merch from these judges like pre-made decks, boxes, and other mtg play materials.
What a shame. I can't even begin to know what will happen. Wizards will probably screw this up. Thank you for the video Magic Historian.
So the new pro tour won't have judges? What is going to be like a honor system where they ask no one to cheat to win the price money cause you know that's never been a problem
Another video for my WoTC Scandal Compilation 2023 playlist! Lol
This on top of troll and toad dropping magic
Hasbro replacing judges with ai, they want your jobs! And they called your mom fat!
I completely disagree with you about where Wizard's priority lies. It has lied within the realm of extracting as much money from their bases wallets as possible since 2021, consequences be damned.
I think 2021 is being generous. They've been getting worse since at least 2018 at latest
@@michaelwintermantel9127 I meant more as of they started really quadrupling down into excess product and increased prices amongst their highest grossing year.
@@sasquatchsenpai that's fair enough I guess
I dont blame WOTC for this. The litigation from volunteer program (who wanted to be paid) is still cascading across all hobby games. Miniature wargaming, tcg's, etc. they are all afraid to sponsor volunteer programs. It destroyed many local gaming clubs as you really need a champion for the game at your LGS.
They want to replace Judges with AI
When i became a judge for 20 U$. I got counterspell, Incinerate & a deck of playing cards.
Plus a letter saying i had to pay to renew my judge membership. (the letter was send at the start of the new year. A lot of people must not have paid to renew.)
Happy Turkey gobbling señor Judge. May your promos forever shine in memory of the glory days.
No what Wizards wants is for the judges to pay them to be in the academy rather than the third party one. Just wait for the subscription to turn up in Arena. I would also not be surprised if there is purchase and participation requirements on Arena to even get an invite to the Judge Academy. Also I think you are right with the Pro Tour judges,, why would they go to all the trouble of locking down the Pro players and not the judges with NDA, I feel like that it's probably plugging a Loop hole there.
yup. they can't let anything be out of their control? edh? no, now it's commander now. Selling singles? no, it's called "secret lair"
More pro tour. Less judges. Makes perfect sense 🤨
Kinda not shocked by this happening after magicon vegas. didn't see any of the typical black shirt judges at the events and it felt a little jarring in that they were all wearing blue 'event organizer' tshirts (like it was a hasty change)
It wasn't long ago we were all talking about how crappy the judge academy was. They will most likely go back to the old way of having tests. And sending cards for judging events without any oversight.
No, they won’t have judges for anything but the pro tour they hand pick for off Arena
I'm so confused, I sold my store in 2000 but I was an Arena store, woc Sent me prizes for players and gifts for judges. I had to have certified judges
@ 9:41 what operating thetan level do I get for $500 down? Wait wrong video...
Judge dread lingers as WOTC breaks ties with Academy
So how does one become a judge now?
Judge application for phones... No need for a judge if they can justify "just look it up"
I think the writing is on the wall. If you want to play a collectible competitive card game you should play flesh and blood.
Oh come now
Disney moght pull it off too...
Go shill somewhere else.
so no judges that they didn't pay in the first place >.> what the actual fuck
Thanksgiving in October!? Canada sure is weird
We have a shorter growing season.
Patrons rule, and rightfully so. We judge, we make the rulings.
I guess there will be some "core Judges" that are tightly bound to WotC and any other can call themselves "rules advisor". Will there be more Judge promos? Perhaps, but with only a limited number of them these promos will likely be more like the "heroes of the realm", i.e. something more personal than the general selection of cards handed out over the last years.
Funny thing, that judge promo Island can become of the more expensive ones as it was hard to come by - unless the crumbling judge academy got plenty of them and now hands them out along with the rest because they just don't care anymore.
No fuckin chance they do anything like that for judges.
Honestly, many judges I've met are obnoxious pricks. They parade around as if they are king of the nerds or something and half the time they are wrong when making a call.
Happy New Year to all Judges and .. unemployed
Troll and toad announce they will no longer stock Magic from Jan 1st and you're out here complaining about judge academy
They selling boxes still bro
Oh nvm also sealed that’s weird
Ever since this happened, my local LGS has had a lot of issues on regards to rules, because the owner and the person in charge are not the best on regards to rules. I decided to stop playing because of this.
So much happening right now. At the core, outsourcing your judge program could’ve been sensible, maybe they can or have already found a better partner to do so? 🤔
Timmy!
Haircut time. Looks good
Commander. That's what happens.
Wotc made it so lgs staff can be judges so no need for the judge program..
Buy proxies destroy wotc and hasbro
players should pay at least 2 dollars for judge fee
They’ve already did it like 2 years ago right?
haircut lookin clean
Dci! Dci! Dci!
key words.... for profit
do I get the free membership just so I can run the tests and see if their 'study resources' are actually informative? I mean Ive considered pursuing judge certification before, and even if it can't be officially anymore through the academy, it COULD be a study guide, right?
my theory is that theyll do ai judges
Would be very funny to see AI judges be incorrect and make shit up.
I hate seeing comments about "how bad" it is for a company to want to make a lot of money. I have news for you: If you work for an employer who pays you, YOU MAKE MONEY BECAUSE THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR MAKES MONEY! You have benefits and paid time off and perks because of this. Companies have lots and lots of expenses. You are one of them. They don't keep everything they make! Ugh.
Having a great time watching this game die
Look I I hate mods and I hate judges more, but we need them to run the tournaments
When I was an Arena store and received free product for winners I got free stuff for judges.
Ai judges? I mean they are trying to do it to DMs in DnD
Without judge rl could be reprinted...😮
RL can be reprinted. Any general counsel worth his or her salt is saying no because it is inviting aggravation WOTC doesn't need.
The world of people who can actually successfully claim promissory estoppel is tiny.
Thanksgiving?
Well shit, happy Thanksgiving
We have a shorter growing season so it's earlier than the USA.
And if your not American and don't know Thanksgiving at all its kinda like a harvest celebration traditionally with family.
100$ a year. Yeah nty.
Sometimes it seems that WotC has literally never made a good decision. This entire situation is so absurd. It's a failure on every level and in every entity involved.
Conventions of nearly any type have always depended on volunteers, and that's what the Judge program always seemed to be. I see ads asking for volunteers for DragonCon, Momocon, etc months and months before the events, and swag/being behind the scenes is the hook. Tard Wrangling some literally who z-list actor at DragonCon _was_ the perk. Judges asking for benefits was pretty silly. The Judge Academy just came across a sketchy con job from the get-go.
All WotC had to do was say no to the nitwits asking for benefits, spend 0.001% of their income to set up an internal team to better vet judge applicants to keep the rampant kid touchers out (there is a problem with this since woke leftists are almost guaranteed to be kid touchers), and this whole silly situation would have ended up infinity times better than this.
It's all so stupid.
Lol
Wizards don't want any background in any outcomes to backfire on them commander is for the people not wizards remember its original desigin was EDH
Sure they got something for nothing yet i got nothing in return so everyone is shorted
I have talents in the game I'm the creator of Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer on the fly took me 15 min I'm the real deal.
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I'm Clif with a shout out AKA Clifton Davis and I never received any paid anything from MTG I created the Eldrazi race received nothing in payment created all Eldrazi sions tokens all the original plainswalkers mine got nothing the Three original storylines for the titans I went of the time and love of the game paid nothing they used me paid me nothing I talked them into Commander game knights podcasts yes all me not even a mention of my time or ideas I created so many cards involved in EDH Commander the entire storyline of the Eldrazi race was myself written by me and was keept untouched yet not paid 😅 it's a problem people it was all stolen information in my book
punctuation.
Take your meds
What if magic the gathering changed hands yet again 🤯 Elon musk take a chance on MTG and i will work for you 😅 but 😄 id love to be paid please
Shoppers drugmart is a ez place to shoplift from. Its an old wizard tip