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Imagine putting blue jackets at 30 and saying they don't have die hard fans but are last in the league and still pack out the arena every game, even weekday games....lame rankings my guy
St. Louis Blues fans are way underrated and I'm a Minnesota fan. The thing is, all the NHL fan bases have their moments of greatness. Buffalo Sabres fans are coming back following a certain trade to Vegas and some promising young stars.
I'm a Bruins fan and agree that Blues fans are underrated. I remember the days of the Aud in Buffalo and that place being packed every game. Currently the Bruins have sold out over 530 consecutive games, but that wasn't always the way. I think it's good to see the Sabres fans coming back.
I'm a Habs fan and I agree with you about Blues' fans. They went how long before their team finally raised Lord Stanley's trophy? In the team's first years in the League, the fans were wonderful. They showed class and embraced their team. If you look at old footage of the Habs' Stanley Cup final meetings with the Blues in the late 60s, you'll notice men and even boys in the crowd sporting suits and ties and the women looking just as clean and polished. The only unfortunate aspect of that Blues' team was not because they failed to win a single game in any of the Cup finals from '68 to '70; but because - in hindsight - they were the team who created the monster that became known as the Broad Street Bullies.
@@kendufresne Imagine if Buffalo was not the smallest city ever haha. It's exciting to see a year of growth get us to 280K people. When Buffalo was still selling out almost every game and getting top 5 viewership of local markets it is almost insane to think about. The Rangers do not sell out every game. To think about the population I do not understand how you can have that many people and not sell out a smaller barn even if tickets are 1000 dollars a pice. If Buffalo was half the size of Edmonton we would have sold out every game in history and beat every home teams viewership in playoff games that the Sabres were not even playing in.
He also had Enterprise Center(STL) as one of the worst arenas in the NHL because he said it needs renovations lmao despite the fact that the whole thing got overhauled in 2020 and looks brand new inside. I can’t speak on other fanbases and arenas, but I know he’s simply wrong about a lot of the things he said in other videos so I don’t take much stock in anything he says.
Bruh, Detroit was part of the original 6 nhl teams with most of the nhl’s hall of famers. You can’t be telling me it’s #20. Atleast leave it in top 10.
I don't know how you came up with these rankings. But I have seen several Sabres games this year that are half empty. And I was surprised the Blues weren't a lot higher. They have some of the highest TV ratings in the US. And always draw well.
I will just say right off the bat that I'm a Blues fan & admittedly obviously biased, however, I was surprised to see us so low. St Louis has had strong attendance & fan support throughout its history & those fans have endured plenty of frustration & disappointment that would kill some franchises. For every high of watching all-time greats like Brett Hull or Al MacInnis play, fans have paid with several periods of uncertainty in ownership where top players were shipped out to make it easier to sell the team & almost causing the team to relocate. On top of everything else there is the tragic history of postseason misfortune where great seasons lead to some catastrophe like a goalie injury in the early rounds (such as Grant Fuhr in 1996 & Binnington last year) where players hit the golf course way earlier than expected. (President's Trophy winning team in 1999-2000 bounced out of postseason in 1st round.) Despite watching someone like Mike Keenan run off Wayne Gretzky & Brett Hull (Damn you, Keenan!), Blues fans buy tickets every season & cheer their asses off. Looking at the talented players who have worn the Blue Note, it's hard to believe 2019 was the first time St Louis celebrated winning a Stanley Cup - the oldest team in the NHL at the time to never win one. As already noted, I'm a biased observer so even though I can make the case, I won't declare Blues fans in the top 5 of all fanbases but have no problem saying top 10. At the very, very least, they're in the top half. So many players over the years who either played in St Louis only to be traded & win a Stanley Cup elsewhere (a la Brett Hull or Chris Pronger) or players who finished their careers in St Louis ended up making St Louis their home after retirement. Blues fans love their team despite all the stress & frustration their loyalty has put them through over the years. They're as rabid as Detroit or Blackhawk fans without the Stanley Cups.
@@sigep145 There is no way the Blues should be at #19 on any ranking. They have been in the top 5 in the US TV ratings in each of the past 9 years. Including #2 last year. Every game sells out or is near full capacity.
@@sigep145 Me a Bruins fan, was shocked that St. Louis never won a Cup until 2019 😑 . Over the years and the great players they had, like you said and nothing to show. I can't recall the last time St. Louis didn't have a sellout crowd.
Several as in 5 of em lol? Sabers attendance averaged in 15,000s out of 18,000 seats. Definitely not every game especially at the beginning of the season when the Bills where playing and we had no idea what kind of team we were getting 😂. In the middle of a ridiculous Playoff drought yet games watched at home or live attendance has never been the worst in the league. The fact there’s current and/or recent playoff teams that had same amount or even lower for a couple teams just really says more about other fan bases than it does Sabres fans. Other fans would most likely loose the team 🤷♂️
I remember '94. Rags fans chanting lets go Rangers during the Canadian anthem and Canucks fans chanting go Canucks go during our anthem. Then if course, 2011... 😁
Hi. I watched few clips of this fan group. Dont compare this to european football ultras, not yet. When the group grows and has better chants, then we can start the discussion. but oh my god "i believe that we can win", that is one of the worst chants i have heard. its not as bad as emerald city guy fight and win or come on seattle.
@@harold7775 Is it as good , no but are they the most passionate pro sports group in all of FL or the south east yes . Hopefully it continues to grow but 307 leads cheers every single night and we love them for it. Also we haven’t used the “I believe that we can win” chant I think since 2018 .
@@drock13 You should never not sell out a game. What is Tampa's population? How many cups and series wins in recent time? Comparing it to Ero soccer is insanity
@@Buffalosabskis You’d be surprised how many teams don’t sell out their barn. Also fan group have to get started somewhere and it’s only 10 years old and they even travel for the team. One thing that is sad though is Arena officials a few years ago limited them so they don’t get the exposure they deserve but you’ll still know if you’re near 307
@@drock13 To be honest when I am nervous I am not very loud. I will cheer, but it's not like I'm going to sing when my team is tied in OT. My mind is on the game.
I went to a game in 08 that was half empty and mostly Sabres fans. Four years after a cup? It's not a bad hockey market, but 18 is probably the highest it could be.
TAMPA BAY 18 REALLY i do Uber and drive people from Montreal ,they say Tampa fans are more Electric then there fans and tickets are so much, only the rich go to games all the time and sit on there hands you got them #1 lol...
Every fan base is the best fan base. I hate it when my team loses, I love it when they win. It's a game. I just enjoy when my team wins the cup and Toronto doesn't.
@@TIEDOMITHEGOONFAN Maybe you should rename yourself to Leafs_1967. I wanted Canada to bring the cup home, but they lost to Florida?!? FLORIDA???? WTF is wrong here? I used to live in Edmonton so I wanted the Oilers. Sadly it went to stupid Florida.
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I know they are still new but Vegas at #16? Dude, we are in year 6 and even going to a preseason game is like going to a game 7 of a playoff series. I guess I should be happy that we are above Seattle,but still...even in polls of NHL players Vegas usually comes up in the top 3 when they are asked the craziest and best fans and rocks g place to play etc.
@@Anttyx Fair enough, but until a rebuild or drought is had it's hard to judge. Vegas is seen as a city without history. Meaning "everyone moved there for work". That's why people think it lacks identity from it's residents. Boomers think "The real hockey fans will just cheer for the Northern city they moved from". I know that is outdated though. Plenty of people have lived there for generations at this point and temperature does not have much to do with hockey these days. People are just used to expansion teams needing to pay their dues. Places like Vancouver and Buffalo will always say "If Vegas had our 50 years"..........
But "high 90s" isn't good dude, especially in a state with almost has much people as in Canada lol (it's what, 30 vs 37M or something?). There are more team with 100-104% attendance than in the 90s, for instance.
@@Unholy_Louie 🧢 There are 6 teams 100%-104% to 16 that are in the 90’s stars are in the upper majority with 96% and they’ve already surpassed that in ticket sales for this upcoming year. There are 18 teams below the capacity % of the Stars. The sharks, sabres, jets, ducks, flyers, senators, panthers, rangers, and kings are 90% or below. Sharks are the worst with 76%
@@Joe_Ma99 Exactly, thank you. It's average/above average. But in terms of potential given it's location, it's not very good. Especially not when in a night it's at 90% capacity like the guy said. Which is the point I was trying to make.
@@Unholy_Louie Turns out I was looking at old attendance numbers. The latest attendance record published has Dallas at 99.1% capacity. How’s that? Is that good? Btw he never said 90% you did. He just said they were in the high 90s which they are 99.1%. You tried to say that wasn’t good attendance bc of population comparison but you don’t look at the population of the entire state/county for attendance lol You look at city populations. The ppl that are actually in close enough proximity to go to a games. For instance Toronto 2.9 million vs Dallas 1.2 Million. Do you think Texas is the size of Rhode Island and everyone in the state going to stars games? 🤣
@@Joe_Ma99 Sorry man, I just don't care nearly enough. Anyone can disagree it's all okay. EDIT: Oups, I'm not talking in bad faith at all, you yeah, you're right : unlike in my initial 3 months old reply (you know, as a direct reply to OP when he commented, not 12 weeks later) I did quote his "high 90s" directly and the fact it's at best average for a major franchise like the stars. The DFW area has basically the same pop as the Province of Quebec, and the Dallas urban agglomeration is at least twice the size of MTL bigger area. In 2022-23, the Stars were closer to the Flames than any team in the top 10 in attendance, and got soundly beaten by Vancouver, Toronto, and MTL (all in a country with the same population as California lol...). Finally, unlike the cup contenders STARS, Vancouver is a literal dumpster fire, Toronto is whatever TF it is (don't ask me), and MTL is 100% a rebuilding team with several years left to compete, and yet they all crushed Dallas' 2022-23 numbers (#5, #6, and #1 respectively : www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph_season.php?lid=NHL1927&sid=2023 ; WAY more precise and relevant than "arena attendance % btw). That is what I meant 3 months ago, and saw no contradiction with your first resurrection reply, in all good faith. I made a mistake and wrote "low 90%", which was wrong, and contradictory to my very own first reply. I somehow thought it had been OP's words from months ago, my fault. At least I can admit a mistake and argue in good faith, stuff you should look into imho because the more you talk, the more it looks like some teenage fanboy BS, so I won't entertain the rest of your message.
@@Soobee_LGRW Detorit has 900k people and did not sell out after going to the finals twice in a row. It's not the worst hockey market, but it's not good
@@Buffalosabskis You have no idea who I am, I’ve been a die hard caps fan my whole life… A sellout streak over a decade long + nobody celebrated winning the cup like DC, Carolina PALES in comparison. I don’t know who you’re a fan of but clearly you’re a troll
@@natester2617 You are right. Every fan base has had a time in history that the performance dictates the attendance. Before the lockout and even with Ovi I can get why people might not have sold out every Caps game and it's the kind of area that has residents that move there for work so of course if a visiting team is doing very well you will get a good amount of fans from that city. Washington is a solid hockey market. Carolina you could buy tickets from the box office the day of 2006 finals games. That's a bit excessive haha. Have a good one and happy new year!
Have you even watched a Dallas home game? Does any other team have a goal song written by a band , for the team? Dallas has Pantera. Also it's the only arena that I've ever heard where after a song is finished playing, the entire fanbase keep going. Come on, man. You have Buffalo in 6th.
Don't forget the penalty box incident with Tie Domi? Not that I condone what that fool did, but Tie was no angel there either. And booing injured players and overall boorish behavior does not begin and end in the Delaware Valley.
Any list where the bottom three isn't Florida, buffalo and new jersey just isn't accurate, with LA close behind. Those teams can't get people to show up when they're winning, and teams like Dallas and Columbus despite being not the biggest show in town (no American hockey team is anyways) they do a good job filling the arena even when the team is bad 🤷♂️
When has Buffalo been winning and not selling out? They sold out almost every game until covid and the last playoff appearance was in 2011. They have not won a round since 2007. Dallas and every Florida team would have moved. Also under 300K people. Dallas is half empty if they miss the playoffs two years after making the finals.
@@Buffalosabskis I go to upstate New York sll the time, to pretend the buffalo fanbase is relegated to 300k people is disingenuous. You have Rochester, Syracuse, tons of suburbs like Amherst, this is like when people say "but Cleveland has only 300k people" without bothering to look at the burbs. And this isn't a "worst fan base of all time list, so yeah, pretty much any argument about 10 years ago and even five years ago is out the window...there are nhl teams who haven't even been around that long. Think of the context of when this video was made. Buffalo was in position to be in the playoffs, and was breaking records last year of how poorly the games were attended. It might be the ownerships fault, just like it is in Columbus, but when the fans don't show up, the fans don't show up 🤷♂️
@@austinblankenship7631 Other cities don't have suburbs? Dallas has no suburbs? Syracuse is 3 hours away. That's like saying Cleveland is a Suburb. It's closer. Not like we care about the Orange. The WNY market is the smallest in pro sports except Green Bay. Fans made an effort to "protest" the owners during covid. I don't agree with it, but they are entitled to the option. Last November the team had a stretch of 0,8,0. That is not shockingly exciting. February was awesome, but two months of hockey is not earth shaking. This team won 10 games in a row in 2018-2019 and had an 86% chance in making the playoffs. Fans got made fun of by other markets for being excited and they crushed everyones hearts. Believe me. This town is not happy about anything sports related right now. Im 33 and the last time this team won a round I was not old enough to have a drivers license. The last time they made the playoffs I was 20. It takes a lot to be a fan of that, but they are my team and my only team. Every market would have some attendance concerns given the performance and some of the controversies around this team. I am just glad Jack is gone so people can stop saying "let him have his surgery...... It's his neck...... it's not like he's an employee of the company asking for elective risky surgery that's never been done on a pro athlete".
TAMPA BAY 18 REALLY i do Uber and drive people from Montreal ,they say Tampa fans are more Electric then there fans and tickets are so much, only the rich go to games all the time and sit on there hands you got them #1 lol...
Maybe but the NHL has not had to limit access because of fan behavior, unlike Europe. In Europe, your personal safety could be at risk based on what team you support
half of msg is men in suites lol. islanders fans attend islanders games. both fan bases are very similar. isles at 22 and rangers at 8 is a joke.. both top 5 easy
470000000000000 billion people and they don't sell out MSG every game? How is they even possible? How can Buffalo under 300K people beat them in local TV viewing very often? That is seemingly impossible, but it happens
I'm delighted my Habs are listed at number one on your list, but there is no way that the Minnesota fans should be ranked higher than Leafs' fans. I can't think of any other fan base in pro sport that would pack the house the way Leafs fans did during the 70s and 80s, while enduring Harold Ballard's destructive practices, and then the team becoming the worst in the League by the mid-80s. Let's also not forget that, during those years, Montreal still had a larger population than Toronto.
Minnesota fans aren’t annoying like Toronto fans. Leafs fans always think it’s their year, every year. They’re like the Dallas Cowboys. In Minnesota, we know that in the end we’re gonna be let down, but we still support our teams. We love the sport of hockey.
@@PG13hockeyman I like the Vikings (I AM part-Norwegian) and I will never approve of the North Stars' relocation to Dallas. Much of the deal in Toronto begins with their bloated sports media. Let them keep making the annual promises the Leafs can't keep. At least MLSE is still laughing all the way to the bank. When it comes to football, most people living in Toronto today don't even know what the Grey Cup is! LOL!
Seeing the number of people that claim to hate the Leafs but 'HAVE' to post on every Leaf thread out there, I would assume that in addition to the Leaf fans themselves, everyone else has the Leafs on their minds!
This is the worst ranking I’ve ever heard. Toronto Maple Leafs fans are known around the league is being lame. Listing them as number three is idiotic.
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I just love how KRAKEN fans can be called KRAKHEADS and their home arena can be called the KRAKHOUSE!!!
They be on the Krak 😂😂😂
Habs have filled up a whole 25K places stadium for a pre season game 💀
This is such a terrible list bro 💀
Terrrrrible
Bro why are the oilers on for the Calgary rating
True 👍
Salty
He said this will upset the respected fan base I mean he's not wrong but I'm grateful the burins ended up on the upper list
Detroit 20th?? This list is garbage.
Imagine putting blue jackets at 30 and saying they don't have die hard fans but are last in the league and still pack out the arena every game, even weekday games....lame rankings my guy
St. Louis Blues fans are way underrated and I'm a Minnesota fan. The thing is, all the NHL fan bases have their moments of greatness. Buffalo Sabres fans are coming back following a certain trade to Vegas and some promising young stars.
I'm a Bruins fan and agree that Blues fans are underrated. I remember the days of the Aud in Buffalo and that place being packed every game. Currently the Bruins have sold out over 530 consecutive games, but that wasn't always the way. I think it's good to see the Sabres fans coming back.
I'm a Habs fan and I agree with you about Blues' fans. They went how long before their team finally raised Lord Stanley's trophy?
In the team's first years in the League, the fans were wonderful. They showed class and embraced their team. If you look at old footage of the Habs' Stanley Cup final meetings with the Blues in the late 60s, you'll notice men and even boys in the crowd sporting suits and ties and the women looking just as clean and polished.
The only unfortunate aspect of that Blues' team was not because they failed to win a single game in any of the Cup finals from '68 to '70; but because - in hindsight - they were the team who created the monster that became known as the Broad Street Bullies.
@@kendufresne Imagine if Buffalo was not the smallest city ever haha. It's exciting to see a year of growth get us to 280K people. When Buffalo was still selling out almost every game and getting top 5 viewership of local markets it is almost insane to think about. The Rangers do not sell out every game. To think about the population I do not understand how you can have that many people and not sell out a smaller barn even if tickets are 1000 dollars a pice. If Buffalo was half the size of Edmonton we would have sold out every game in history and beat every home teams viewership in playoff games that the Sabres were not even playing in.
Buffalo in the top 10💀
You must be joking bro
He also had Enterprise Center(STL) as one of the worst arenas in the NHL because he said it needs renovations lmao despite the fact that the whole thing got overhauled in 2020 and looks brand new inside. I can’t speak on other fanbases and arenas, but I know he’s simply wrong about a lot of the things he said in other videos so I don’t take much stock in anything he says.
"the only reason fan attendance is so low is protesting the team" bro that's everywhere besides Florida, clearly a sabres fan or something 😂
Buffalo is crazy about sports
This might be one of the worst lists I’ve ever seen😂
Detroit at 20? What?
Bruh, Detroit was part of the original 6 nhl teams with most of the nhl’s hall of famers. You can’t be telling me it’s #20. Atleast leave it in top 10.
900K people and when winning cups they did not sell out every game. That is not top 10 stats.
I don't know how you came up with these rankings. But I have seen several Sabres games this year that are half empty. And I was surprised the Blues weren't a lot higher. They have some of the highest TV ratings in the US. And always draw well.
I will just say right off the bat that I'm a Blues fan & admittedly obviously biased, however, I was surprised to see us so low. St Louis has had strong attendance & fan support throughout its history & those fans have endured plenty of frustration & disappointment that would kill some franchises. For every high of watching all-time greats like Brett Hull or Al MacInnis play, fans have paid with several periods of uncertainty in ownership where top players were shipped out to make it easier to sell the team & almost causing the team to relocate. On top of everything else there is the tragic history of postseason misfortune where great seasons lead to some catastrophe like a goalie injury in the early rounds (such as Grant Fuhr in 1996 & Binnington last year) where players hit the golf course way earlier than expected. (President's Trophy winning team in 1999-2000 bounced out of postseason in 1st round.) Despite watching someone like Mike Keenan run off Wayne Gretzky & Brett Hull (Damn you, Keenan!), Blues fans buy tickets every season & cheer their asses off. Looking at the talented players who have worn the Blue Note, it's hard to believe 2019 was the first time St Louis celebrated winning a Stanley Cup - the oldest team in the NHL at the time to never win one. As already noted, I'm a biased observer so even though I can make the case, I won't declare Blues fans in the top 5 of all fanbases but have no problem saying top 10. At the very, very least, they're in the top half. So many players over the years who either played in St Louis only to be traded & win a Stanley Cup elsewhere (a la Brett Hull or Chris Pronger) or players who finished their careers in St Louis ended up making St Louis their home after retirement. Blues fans love their team despite all the stress & frustration their loyalty has put them through over the years. They're as rabid as Detroit or Blackhawk fans without the Stanley Cups.
@@sigep145 There is no way the Blues should be at #19 on any ranking. They have been in the top 5 in the US TV ratings in each of the past 9 years. Including #2 last year. Every game sells out or is near full capacity.
@@sigep145 Me a Bruins fan, was shocked that St. Louis never won a Cup until 2019 😑 . Over the years and the great players they had, like you said and nothing to show. I can't recall the last time St. Louis didn't have a sellout crowd.
Several as in 5 of em lol? Sabers attendance averaged in 15,000s out of 18,000 seats. Definitely not every game especially at the beginning of the season when the Bills where playing and we had no idea what kind of team we were getting 😂. In the middle of a ridiculous Playoff drought yet games watched at home or live attendance has never been the worst in the league. The fact there’s current and/or recent playoff teams that had same amount or even lower for a couple teams just really says more about other fan bases than it does Sabres fans.
Other fans would most likely loose the team 🤷♂️
@@jeremytaft8247 Sabres were 31st in % tickets sold. Despite a winning team. But please do carry on with the excuses.
Vancouver rioted twice after game 7 losses... The first was in 1994 after the loss to the Rangers.
I remember '94. Rags fans chanting lets go Rangers during the Canadian anthem and Canucks fans chanting go Canucks go during our anthem. Then if course, 2011... 😁
Canucks 11 game ice pack holder here. Both riots were going to happen had we won or lost simply put.
@@anthonys3631 I mean Montreal riots if they lose in any round
Tampa should be higher , based on the sticks of fire alone. European Soccer fan culture in hockey . It’s crazy but works
Hi. I watched few clips of this fan group. Dont compare this to european football ultras, not yet. When the group grows and has better chants, then we can start the discussion. but oh my god "i believe that we can win", that is one of the worst chants i have heard. its not as bad as emerald city guy fight and win or come on seattle.
@@harold7775 Is it as good , no but are they the most passionate pro sports group in all of FL or the south east yes . Hopefully it continues to grow but 307 leads cheers every single night and we love them for it. Also we haven’t used the “I believe that we can win” chant I think since 2018 .
@@drock13 You should never not sell out a game. What is Tampa's population? How many cups and series wins in recent time? Comparing it to Ero soccer is insanity
@@Buffalosabskis You’d be surprised how many teams don’t sell out their barn. Also fan group have to get started somewhere and it’s only 10 years old and they even travel for the team. One thing that is sad though is Arena officials a few years ago limited them so they don’t get the exposure they deserve but you’ll still know if you’re near 307
@@drock13 To be honest when I am nervous I am not very loud. I will cheer, but it's not like I'm going to sing when my team is tied in OT. My mind is on the game.
You Put Montreal (ok) and Minnesota?!?!? above Toronto? Pure Absolute Disrespect....
Tampa at 18 is a joke there is never a game that isn’t mostly packed
I went to a game in 08 that was half empty and mostly Sabres fans. Four years after a cup? It's not a bad hockey market, but 18 is probably the highest it could be.
TAMPA BAY 18 REALLY i do Uber and drive people from Montreal ,they say Tampa fans are more Electric then there fans and tickets are so much, only the rich go to games all the time and sit on there hands you got them #1 lol...
Ya but Tampa fans would not pay Canada nhl ticket prices and when Tampa is bad they don’t sell out
@@Glacialspring Exactly. Tampa is not a hockey city. In 2008 I was watching half empty seats and mostly Sabres fans in attendance
Every fan base is the best fan base. I hate it when my team loses, I love it when they win. It's a game.
I just enjoy when my team wins the cup and Toronto doesn't.
Lol
😂😂😂 same here!
I am a leafs fan but this mad me mad but it also mad me laugh lol we might win again
@@TIEDOMITHEGOONFAN Maybe you should rename yourself to Leafs_1967. I wanted Canada to bring the cup home,
but they lost to Florida?!? FLORIDA???? WTF is wrong here? I used to live in Edmonton so I wanted the Oilers.
Sadly it went to stupid Florida.
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I think Rangers shouldve atleast been ranked top 5 just sayin
tampa has sold out every home game for over ten years. how are we not top ten?
I know they are still new but Vegas at #16? Dude, we are in year 6 and even going to a preseason game is like going to a game 7 of a playoff series.
I guess I should be happy that we are above Seattle,but still...even in polls of NHL players Vegas usually comes up in the top 3 when they are asked the craziest and best fans and rocks g place to play etc.
@@Anttyx Fair enough, but until a rebuild or drought is had it's hard to judge. Vegas is seen as a city without history. Meaning "everyone moved there for work". That's why people think it lacks identity from it's residents. Boomers think "The real hockey fans will just cheer for the Northern city they moved from". I know that is outdated though. Plenty of people have lived there for generations at this point and temperature does not have much to do with hockey these days. People are just used to expansion teams needing to pay their dues. Places like Vancouver and Buffalo will always say "If Vegas had our 50 years"..........
Dallas has some passionate fans. Attendance is always in the high 90s
But "high 90s" isn't good dude, especially in a state with almost has much people as in Canada lol (it's what, 30 vs 37M or something?). There are more team with 100-104% attendance than in the 90s, for instance.
@@Unholy_Louie 🧢 There are 6 teams 100%-104% to 16 that are in the 90’s stars are in the upper majority with 96% and they’ve already surpassed that in ticket sales for this upcoming year. There are 18 teams below the capacity % of the Stars. The sharks, sabres, jets, ducks, flyers, senators, panthers, rangers, and kings are 90% or below. Sharks are the worst with 76%
@@Joe_Ma99 Exactly, thank you.
It's average/above average. But in terms of potential given it's location, it's not very good.
Especially not when in a night it's at 90% capacity like the guy said. Which is the point I was trying to make.
@@Unholy_Louie Turns out I was looking at old attendance numbers. The latest attendance record published has Dallas at 99.1% capacity. How’s that? Is that good? Btw he never said 90% you did. He just said they were in the high 90s which they are 99.1%. You tried to say that wasn’t good attendance bc of population comparison but you don’t look at the population of the entire state/county for attendance lol You look at city populations. The ppl that are actually in close enough proximity to go to a games. For instance Toronto 2.9 million vs Dallas 1.2 Million. Do you think Texas is the size of Rhode Island and everyone in the state going to stars games? 🤣
@@Joe_Ma99 Sorry man, I just don't care nearly enough. Anyone can disagree it's all okay.
EDIT: Oups, I'm not talking in bad faith at all, you yeah, you're right : unlike in my initial 3 months old reply (you know, as a direct reply to OP when he commented, not 12 weeks later) I did quote his "high 90s" directly and the fact it's at best average for a major franchise like the stars. The DFW area has basically the same pop as the Province of Quebec, and the Dallas urban agglomeration is at least twice the size of MTL bigger area. In 2022-23, the Stars were closer to the Flames than any team in the top 10 in attendance, and got soundly beaten by Vancouver, Toronto, and MTL (all in a country with the same population as California lol...). Finally, unlike the cup contenders STARS, Vancouver is a literal dumpster fire, Toronto is whatever TF it is (don't ask me), and MTL is 100% a rebuilding team with several years left to compete, and yet they all crushed Dallas' 2022-23 numbers (#5, #6, and #1 respectively : www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph_season.php?lid=NHL1927&sid=2023 ; WAY more precise and relevant than "arena attendance % btw). That is what I meant 3 months ago, and saw no contradiction with your first resurrection reply, in all good faith.
I made a mistake and wrote "low 90%", which was wrong, and contradictory to my very own first reply. I somehow thought it had been OP's words from months ago, my fault.
At least I can admit a mistake and argue in good faith, stuff you should look into imho because the more you talk, the more it looks like some teenage fanboy BS, so I won't entertain the rest of your message.
Sorry, but no way any of the og 6 should be out of the top 10
LOL Chicago and Detroit do not sell out when they are not winning. That's as gigantic cities
@@Buffalosabskis funny when a sabres fan talks about fan attendance lmao
@@Soobee_LGRW Detorit has 900k people and did not sell out after going to the finals twice in a row. It's not the worst hockey market, but it's not good
@@Buffalosabskis >most iconic team in the nhl
>literally THE hockey town
>massive fanbase
>somehow fanbase is irrelevant
Sounds like cope
@@Soobee_LGRW When an owner puts Hockey Town on the ice it does not make it so.
Your list is based on what?
San Jose and tampa should be higher
nashville low as 14 is just insane
Not sure I agree with everything but happy to see my Minnesota Wild as the runner up :D
Caps at 17 is crazy
Why? Did you see the stands in 2008? It was all visiting fans. They are with Carolina at best which is not great
@@Buffalosabskis You cannot be serious right now talking about 2008 LMFAOOO
@@natester2617 Some of us watched hockey before our team won a cup.
@@Buffalosabskis You have no idea who I am, I’ve been a die hard caps fan my whole life… A sellout streak over a decade long + nobody celebrated winning the cup like DC, Carolina PALES in comparison. I don’t know who you’re a fan of but clearly you’re a troll
@@natester2617 You are right. Every fan base has had a time in history that the performance dictates the attendance. Before the lockout and even with Ovi I can get why people might not have sold out every Caps game and it's the kind of area that has residents that move there for work so of course if a visiting team is doing very well you will get a good amount of fans from that city. Washington is a solid hockey market. Carolina you could buy tickets from the box office the day of 2006 finals games. That's a bit excessive haha. Have a good one and happy new year!
Have you even watched a Dallas home game? Does any other team have a goal song written by a band , for the team? Dallas has Pantera.
Also it's the only arena that I've ever heard where after a song is finished playing, the entire fanbase keep going. Come on, man. You have Buffalo in 6th.
Uh. Montreal has several.
This dude seriously put Detroit at 20th😂
Bruins seem low
Sharks should top 15.
Don't forget the penalty box incident with Tie Domi?
Not that I condone what that fool did, but Tie was no angel there either.
And booing injured players and overall boorish behavior does not begin and end in the Delaware Valley.
Leafs at 32. Predators at #1
Any list where the bottom three isn't Florida, buffalo and new jersey just isn't accurate, with LA close behind. Those teams can't get people to show up when they're winning, and teams like Dallas and Columbus despite being not the biggest show in town (no American hockey team is anyways) they do a good job filling the arena even when the team is bad 🤷♂️
When has Buffalo been winning and not selling out? They sold out almost every game until covid and the last playoff appearance was in 2011. They have not won a round since 2007. Dallas and every Florida team would have moved. Also under 300K people. Dallas is half empty if they miss the playoffs two years after making the finals.
@@Buffalosabskis I go to upstate New York sll the time, to pretend the buffalo fanbase is relegated to 300k people is disingenuous. You have Rochester, Syracuse, tons of suburbs like Amherst, this is like when people say "but Cleveland has only 300k people" without bothering to look at the burbs. And this isn't a "worst fan base of all time list, so yeah, pretty much any argument about 10 years ago and even five years ago is out the window...there are nhl teams who haven't even been around that long. Think of the context of when this video was made. Buffalo was in position to be in the playoffs, and was breaking records last year of how poorly the games were attended. It might be the ownerships fault, just like it is in Columbus, but when the fans don't show up, the fans don't show up 🤷♂️
@@austinblankenship7631 Other cities don't have suburbs? Dallas has no suburbs? Syracuse is 3 hours away. That's like saying Cleveland is a Suburb. It's closer. Not like we care about the Orange. The WNY market is the smallest in pro sports except Green Bay. Fans made an effort to "protest" the owners during covid. I don't agree with it, but they are entitled to the option. Last November the team had a stretch of 0,8,0. That is not shockingly exciting. February was awesome, but two months of hockey is not earth shaking. This team won 10 games in a row in 2018-2019 and had an 86% chance in making the playoffs. Fans got made fun of by other markets for being excited and they crushed everyones hearts. Believe me. This town is not happy about anything sports related right now. Im 33 and the last time this team won a round I was not old enough to have a drivers license. The last time they made the playoffs I was 20. It takes a lot to be a fan of that, but they are my team and my only team. Every market would have some attendance concerns given the performance and some of the controversies around this team. I am just glad Jack is gone so people can stop saying "let him have his surgery...... It's his neck...... it's not like he's an employee of the company asking for elective risky surgery that's never been done on a pro athlete".
please make the millennials stop FFS they have no context at all...or even a clue
The LEAFS AT NUMBER 3??? Bro what are you on?
Sure a bias list
Definitive ranking? You did not define how your ranking system if any works.
Everyone knows Bruins number 1
We’re EVERYWHERE
Carolina at 23 is a absolute joke
Thanks for Minnesota at number 2.
One of the most underrated markets in sports
Did he just call Centre Bell the "ball" center? Lol.
I think he said “Ball Centre.” 😂
@@waynekerr3598 LMAO, my typo.
Redwings are a top 5 fan base bruh
I write script for you how much you pay for that
Habs are the best sorry everyone but that’s the truth no Habs no NHL
NHL would be better off without the mess of Montreal right now🥱😂 Habs aren't anything special, and hockey would keep moving right along without them
@@fullcircle8231 NHL without the Habs is nothing
TAMPA BAY 18 REALLY i do Uber and drive people from Montreal ,they say Tampa fans are more Electric then there fans and tickets are so much, only the rich go to games all the time and sit on there hands you got them #1 lol...
@@simondeschenes5049je dirais pas ça mais ouais disons que ce serait pas pareil
All suits
Panthers better when they win a cup
And also, don't forget the Bruins ads!
I think nhl fans are boring, or they make the game boring. In europe its the fans that makes it much more fun to watch.
Maybe but the NHL has not had to limit access because of fan behavior, unlike Europe. In Europe, your personal safety could be at risk based on what team you support
If I care about the game I am quiet because I am nervous. I don't have fun. It's more to me than singing and clapping
Forget this list! Go Leafs go!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I am a leafs fan but I still agree GLG
Go Habs Go
As a leafs fan I don’t want the habs to win but I don’t think I will ever get what we need 😢 but good luck
half of msg is men in suites lol. islanders fans attend islanders games. both fan bases are very similar. isles at 22 and rangers at 8 is a joke.. both top 5 easy
470000000000000 billion people and they don't sell out MSG every game? How is they even possible? How can Buffalo under 300K people beat them in local TV viewing very often? That is seemingly impossible, but it happens
Eat it Montreal
Oh Canada 🇨🇦, eh?
Can the Panthers not share an arena with the Heat?
Not even sure if the Heat's arena is capable of playing hockey.
@@PrinceAnt722 If true, that is really foolish to build it that way.
The blues should be higher
Love it!
Horrible list why would you rank the stars at the bottom
Really terrible list. No research or thought put into this at all. Save your time by not watching this terrible list.
motown has always shown out.
not hockeytown. not the name painted on the ice LOL
Great video!
Red wings 20 hahaha kidding this is terrible
what agarbage list lol. Islanders have the most die hard fans and are the loudest during meaningful games. complete joke
Loudest?! Carolina has left the chat
Hahaha Sabres at 6???
I'm delighted my Habs are listed at number one on your list, but there is no way that the Minnesota fans should be ranked higher than Leafs' fans.
I can't think of any other fan base in pro sport that would pack the house the way Leafs fans did during the 70s and 80s, while enduring Harold Ballard's destructive practices, and then the team becoming the worst in the League by the mid-80s.
Let's also not forget that, during those years, Montreal still had a larger population than Toronto.
Minnesota fans aren’t annoying like Toronto fans. Leafs fans always think it’s their year, every year. They’re like the Dallas Cowboys. In Minnesota, we know that in the end we’re gonna be let down, but we still support our teams. We love the sport of hockey.
@@PG13hockeyman I like the Vikings (I AM part-Norwegian) and I will never approve of the North Stars' relocation to Dallas.
Much of the deal in Toronto begins with their bloated sports media. Let them keep making the annual promises the Leafs can't keep. At least MLSE is still laughing all the way to the bank.
When it comes to football, most people living in Toronto today don't even know what the Grey Cup is! LOL!
Laughing in European
Winnipeg Jets come playoff time. No one can touch them.
100% agree, the white out is insane inside the arena and outside on the street
👊 Habs
@@Kerrzy_15 I'm a Bruins fan, but I love the white out, especially those who even color their hair white.
Seeing the number of people that claim to hate the Leafs but 'HAVE' to post on every Leaf thread out there, I would assume that in addition to the Leaf fans themselves, everyone else has the Leafs on their minds!
Toronto fans are laughable
This is the worst ranking I’ve ever heard. Toronto Maple Leafs fans are known around the league is being lame. Listing them as number three is idiotic.
it should be toronto maple leafs number 1