Small "TOOL" Battery Better? Milwaukee vs DeWalt vs Makita
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Batteries tested: Milwaukee 2 AH vs 12 AH, Dewalt and Makita. Battery performance compared in impact driver (low current), hammer drill (low/medium current), reciprocating saw (high current), and air blower (very high current). Battery size had a huge impact on tool performance, including torque and total run time. In some instances, larger tool batteries actually hurt tool performance. I buy all the products tested to ensure unbiased test results. So, thank you for supporting the channel!
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I'd like to suggest a comparison between different cooking pans based on the material (Regular Iron, Teflon Coated and Ceramic coated) and test their durability and heat resistance.
Don’t forget cast iron!
Great suggestion!
I’d also like to see this. Include copper pans to please
Would love to see the ninja and hex clad brands tested! They both seem super durable!
Would also like to see that test.
I cannot believe how much they charge for a lithium ion battery pack. $245 is outrageous! Your testing methods are the best. Thanks for all the time you put into making these extremely helpful videos! A++
The prices have gone up a lot in the past year! Thanks again!!
@@ProjectFarm Do this same test but with 3rd party batteries and compare to name brand tool batteries.
@@MrMega200 he already did, look at his past videos
@@lilcourtny08 I am talking in terms of the test in this video. Yes I know he tested generic batteries before but I am talking about comparing for example brand name 4Ah vs Generic 4Ah for ability to drive huge lag screws and measure the difference. All of what he did in this video for generic batteries. Generic battery 2Ah, 4Ah, and so on.
@@MrMega200 ok
I’ll bet you’ve had such a noticeable influence on the market that big manufacturers are paying super close attention to you, praying their product doesn’t make it to your channel! Great work man, I trust the heck out of your reviews!
Thanks!
I think Milwaukee is praying it does, their tools work incredibly.
I wonder if he's ever received any gag orders or lawsuits. When I'm about to buy some expensive tool, I always check this channel first.
Milwaukee and DeWalt a lot of times perform well.
@@gameovered777 The only way it would happen if his tests were flawed toward a company or purposefully gives bad rating to sway the opinion.
Me, buying literally anything: “I wonder if Project Farm tested that?”
Thanks for sharing.
That’s how I feel now 😂 I don’t trust anything that hasn’t been tested by project farm
"We're gonna test that" is one of my favorite phrases by any youtuber, always love the videos
Thanks so much!
"We're gonna test that" and "Let me show you its features!".
We need a 2nd channel. That way we can see behind the scenes on how he comes up with these tests or the test rigs. See things done around the farm and see what in the world he does with all these products after testing is finished. Would watch it all!
Thanks for the nice comment!
I bet he does that for his paid viewers
As thorough as he is when is testing/making the product comparison videos I really doubt he would have time for another channel, but I do agree with you it would be cool to see what you mentioned.
th-cam.com/video/fCCvz3QBGmE/w-d-xo.html. He talks about the farm at least.
Plot twist: all the results are purely fabricated. He doesn't actually do any of these tests.
But seriously the work that goes into these is tremendous. To come up with an idea, and then a test idea, build the test apparatus, then go through the test and come up with a conclusion is amazing.
your reviews are always on point and complete man. nice
Thanks!
Yeah this guy is the best!
I just found your site, and am blown away by your objective, high quality, quantitative approach to testing. Your highly organized presentation style is the best on TH-cam by far. It's great to get the plan up front, then the tests, then the results, with no fluff or useless chatter. The commercial testing organizations need to take lessons, and the manufacturers of the products you test, as well as the consuming public, are getting a valuable service. Thank you sir, and keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!
By far the best content creator on TH-cam. Comprehensive, straightforward tests that leave no doubt about each tools capabilities. I bet this man saves thousands of people a ton of money. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦 keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!
This Is something I wondered all the time but never thought to ask
Me too! Amazing how much difference it makes!
There is a channel called "Torque Test Channel" and they have compared the 6.0 High Output battery to the 8.0 High Output battery from Milwaukee and the 6.0 actually outputs more amps due to the way each battery is designed. Though it didn't 't make a noticeable difference on most tools and they recommended getting the battery that suited the capacity/form factor needs of the individual.
@@ProjectFarm looks like my (and maybe others) video idea came through? Nice to see the results! Interesting results on 12aH for sure. Since the batteries seem to work at different speeds (different Ah ratings) makes me wonder if something with a 2.6Ah rating will last 2.6 hours doing anything or if it’s a % less, and if the 2.6Ah battery can only deliver power for X minutes, will a 6Ah battery deliver power for (6/2.6) X minutes? Will the change in time of power delivery be linear or curved because larger batteries have more juice and use more juice?
This comment is a paradox
@@bigsteve6729 which came first, the effect or the cause ?
That was really interesting- I will definitely be sizing my batteries for the job at hand and buying a higher amp/hour battery for jobs that use a lot of power. Thanks for the videos genuinely it’s some of the best content around
Thanks so much! Thanks for sharing.
I was surprised by several of the result, such as the larger batteries making that much improvement, as well as too large of a battery lowering performance. Great test idea!
The Dewalt was interesting to me as well. It wasn't that the battery capacity was too large, it's that it switched from being a 20v 12AH to a 60v 4AH. the higher voltage means it had more power, causing the blade to move faster, but it seems that that saw is more designed to operate at the usual 20v because the strokes were actually too fast at the higher voltage.
@@CptLang97 The flexvolt batteries don't supply 60V to 20V tools. They are capable of supplying 20V or 60V, depending on the tool. Which is in use depends on different metal contact arrangements in the tool's battery holder. The reason why the saw moved faster was because the battery's voltage doesn't drop as much with increasing current. Where a small battery's voltage might drop from 18V to 14V under load, a larger battery might only drop from 18V to 16V. That isn't a huge difference, but it is enough to make the saw go faster by enough to change cutting behavior. Actually supplying 60V to a 20V motor would be a very bad idea, unless your goal was to set it on fire.
w49660, the tool needed more weight (or force from the user) to effectively use the cutting power of the larger battery. As a counter example, if there was a battery that was _too weak_ to use 10 pounds of weight, the blade would've cut very slowly or stopped completely.
“Is it possible that your tool is under performing because of battery size”. I can’t believe you kept it together I would have been rolling
…….but we all heard a little giggle. An awkward pause would have sealed it🤣
Personally I don’t want a 3 pound battery on a 1 pound tool especially for overhead work. Great job as always!!
Course, if you're using a 1lb tool overhead, you probably don't need the power a 3lb battery could provide!
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
@@dposcuro I'd agree for the most part. An exception that comes to mind is putting in lag eye screws overhead for drop ceilings. Not necessarily an everyday occurrence, but an occurrence nonetheless.
When I see people using a 8ah and 12ah on an impact driver, I always ask myself what the f*** are they thinking?
My milwaukee blower barely works with a 2ah but a 5ah is dramatically better. It would really shine with a 9 or 12 ah. But yes a 12ah isnt needed in an impact driver
When he says “very impressive” gets me every time.
Thanks for sharing.
I am absolutely amazed with these results! Especially with the Sawzall results! I never thought more could be less until now! I'm surprised that they don't have something in the circuitry to limit the blade speed so that it doesn't go too fast too be useful.
Thanks for the feedback.
A video I never knew I wanted until PF took on the challenge. Loved it! Way to go as always.
Thank you!
This was good stuff. I LOVE using my small 2ah batteries with my small impacts and other tools just because it's so light and easy to deal with. But next time I'm doing big jobs with the impact or the hammer drill I will most likely start with a 4 or 5ah.
Y'all check out the Torque Test Channel. They do this kinda stuff all the time.
Torque Test Channel did some similar testing… I found it interesting how much more power Milwaukee’s High Output, which use 21700 cells, can deliver. Also, their 6.0ah uses a different 21700 cell that delivers more power that the 12.0ah… Love your video’s, keep up the great work!
Great feedback! Thank you
Yupp. The 21700 cell has higher output than the 18650 cell.
@Bob Mule the 12.0ah does use 21700 (as well as the 3, 6, and 8 high output). The 6.0ah uses cells that can discharge power faster. So it can outperform the 12.0 from a power standpoint, but will not run as long.
Looks like they finally caught up to Bosch who has been using those cells for years. My Core tools are still beasts
Exactly what I was looking to comment.
As you pointed out, more pressure would have made a big difference for those higher AH batteries. Just imagine all the angry pixies bursting to get out of those behemoths. Your final comment was perfect as usual. The wisdom you've gained and generously shared freely with us is truly a blessing that cannot be fully grasped or appreciated. Thank you for the work you do for all of us. God Bless.
Thanks so much!
Growing up on a farm and now the Fire Chief of a small volunteer fire dept. Your videos heavily influence purchasing decisions. Keep up the great work. I can see the hard work that goes into these videos.
Thanks, will do!
I can't be the only one who is staggered by the scientific approach used in all of the PF's videos, right? Thank you so much for your preparation and dedication!
You are welcome!
"Is it possible your tool is underperforming because of battery size?"
Now you're just getting a bit too personal, sir. LOL
He barely got that out. I wonder how many takes it took.
@@petercolquhoun2086 69
Hi David, lol. Thank you very much and hope you have a great week!
I saw him wink too.
I felt personally attacked 😂
Another excellent breakdown, the unbiased, objective, and well-designed tests are a real pleasure to watch. Thanks for all the excellent work!
You are welcome!
I am always surprised at how well you test everything in all your videos
Thanks!
Somebody remind me to go to ProjectFarm estate sale in about 50 years🤣
Just don’t buy a lawnmower engine when you go! As his videos show those have led a life of pain and misery! 😂
I always think at 1st, at least he gets all these cool tools out of it. Then I remember he puts them thru torture tests for us & shed a tear for them all & his wallet but it all evens out for the vids at least & he's doing a great service to consumers.
@@gojeffgordon24 i dont think anyone on our planet needs a mower engine thats had oil replaced with bacon grease🤣
I’d like to see you do a test on ear muffs for hearing protection and which one has the actual best noise reduction rating compared to manufacturer claims. It could be a great episode to bring Cousin Eddy back again.
Hearing protection have to be tested by ANSI in accordance with OSHA standards they are not manufacturer claims
From a guy that has been in construction for his entire life, this really is some valuable info! In fact, tons of your videos are extremely interesting to watch. In some instances I have been proven right, other I have been proven wrong. Absolutely fantastic content, good sir!
Thanks!
I buy old DeWalt tools primarily because there’s a Dewalt store and repair facility in my city
Hope yours is better than mine. I took a old trim nailer in and told them to let me know if the repairs would exceed $100. I made sure they wrote that on the repair ticket. I wrote it on a card attached to the nailer. Two weeks later they call and I missed it, but voicemail says "Your tool is ready" so I jet over there. The card is still attached to the nailer and the repair ticket still shows my price request. I ask "How much?" and they say "$245". $50 more would have bought a brand new tool which is what I'd have done if they had asked before fixing. Not only did they exceed my limit, they practically rebuilt the whole tool so they said. And they said it included a new battery. I told them I had batteries and the ones I used in it were just two months old so they could keep their new battery. They refused, saying they couldn't sell it as new now that they'd used it so I had to take it.
Well whatever, at least I've got a 'like new' nailer that should go a few more years and another new battery. Nope- the nailer was shot in two months, past their 30 day warranty. I took it apart and they had replaced only a few things, most of it was clearly old and worn. Pissed. Their "new" battery was shot in 6 months where I usually got 4-5 years from them. Super pissed. The DeWalt stores are ripoff ba$tard$ pure and simple. Tool Parts Direct has almost every part for any major name brand tool including DeWalt and you can DIY tool repairs and you should.
I've been waiting for you to finally lay down the law for what's really behind all the battery marketing mumbo jumbo and as always you never dissapoint...well done and thanks for all you do!
Thank you very much!
Thank you, as always. This confirms what my “wrist dyno” has told me. In my Dewalt impact driver, the 5 amp hour battery definitely helps performance. I don’t use it in my hand drill, and your results here confirm my gut instinct.
Thank you!
Amazing as always! I have a pile of 1.5ah batteries from all the kits over the years. One was left in the trunk for 7-8 months with an old dewalt impact driver, then used to change all the tires.. 20 lugs on an off! these tools are amazing!
Thanks for sharing.
Still can’t believe years after this channel exploded that pretty much every single tool review would lead me here… incredible
Thanks for sharing.
Why do I get so excited when this guy releases a video? ❤️
Thank you very much!
good content thats why
Man I love your profile pic!!
@@blazeandcyrus thanks
Because you're weird.
MIlwaukee battery: "50% STRONGER!"
Socket adapter: "Please dear god, no more."
He did one actually on adapters.’surprisingly dewalt out performed every other brand by a long shot. He must have been using hazardnfart knockoff if dewalt, Bauer..‘stuff is Junk I’d rather pay them extra $4 and get dewalt quality instead of snap the HF “impact” on the very first try..
I would love to see him test best tap and die sets
🤣
@@311mdub But did he test weighted sockets?
@@311mdub I have seen Milwaukee trade blows with Dewalt in different tests.. Seems you really can't go wrong with either of those. Milwaukee wipes the floor with Dewalt on the big boy impacts. Wasn't even close in the tests I saw. Dewalt Drills seem to be better than Milwaukee though. Some of the new FLEX stuff is super impressive and some is not. We live in a good time for power tools lol.
@@badlilstang Pretty accurate, Milwaukee runs 100 times better promos also.
Project Farm,
I've been carefully considering, and researching battery options for my Milwaukee tools. Thank you for the video. Every bit of information helps as a consumer. Can't always rely on the marketing "specs" on the box. All depends on what tool it is used for, and what applications they are used for. Thanks again.
You are welcome!
I'd like to say you do an impressive job on all your comparisons, the question I had was did the bigger batteries burn up my tools faster with all that increase in power. Great job I love watching all your demos
Not sure how he would test that
A multitool test would be nice to see, Leatherman vs Gerber vs Swiss tool vs off brand.
Now that Leatherman has better steel blades and replaceable cutters for the jaws, it's where I'd spend my money.
I'll do it! Great suggestion!!
Thank you, can't wait.
Great suggestion
@@ProjectFarm Please include the "Leatherman Free P4", it's the best/newest one!
We've rediscovered something that TTC has taught us; the M18 has some freaking torque
Thanks for the feedback.
Continually coming up with new ideas after so many great videos, must be tough so here's a dozen ideas:
1. Test the strength, puncture resistance, strength with a tear, cost, capacity of contractor type trash bags used for job site cleanup.
2. Best small, hand held vacuum's both corded and cordless. Test run times, suckabilty, filter clogging, particle sizes, etc.
3. Best paint brushes for quality varnish jobs. Test for bristle loss, smoothness of finish (brush marks), cost, bristle type (boar verses synthetic verses chipping brush).
4. Best bungee cords; cost, strength of hooks, strength of cord, stretch, return length after being stretched, cut resistance/performance with a cut.
5. Best 3/8" sockets; test 1/2" socket for hold without rounding off bolt heads, how much torque before breakage, wall thickness for tight spots, 6 point verses 12 point verses universal with metal rods inside.
6. Best wall anchor types for drywall; plastic anchors, self drilling, toggle bolts, hollow wall anchors, Flip toggle (you may have already done this one).
7. Best concrete anchors (for hollow block and solid walls) (Red Head, Hilti, Simpson, etc.) Also, the best concrete epoxies for holding anchors.
8. Best graffiti remover for concrete walls, metal roll up garage doors, wood fences, painted surfaces, etc.
9. Best storage bins like the 27 gal HDX; test for cost, capacity, how much weight it can hold, how high you can stack at max weight in each bin, wear when slid across concrete floors, etc.
10. Best automotive OBD II Code Readers. Cost, accuracy, ease of use, corded vs cordless.
11. Best duct tape and gaffers tape; strength, adhesiveness, residue on removal, cost.
12. Best submersible water pump; Lil Giant, Wayne, Everbilt, etc. Use similar HP ratings and test for head, speed of liquid transfer, debris handling (sand, dirt, hair, paper, gum wrappers) & run dry shut off time to prevent pump damage.
13. Best paint removers for wood, brick, rock. Test chemical, sanding, sand or media blasting and heat guns.
14. Best heat guns; cost, highest temperature, adjustment of heat and fan speeds, accessories such as round verses slotted nozzles, stand, hooks, etc.
15. Best beers....Never mind, I'm testing those personally.....
You've provided great information with so many great video's, I hope a few of these ideas helps you and your viewers.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestions!
I wish I had time to go through all the comments to see why people did not like these video. (Project farm) has saved me thousands of dollars as a full time Diesel mechanic. Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
I discovered this myself a few weeks ago changing my truck wheels. My dewalt driver couldn’t loosen the lugs with the 2ah battery but the 9ah battery did it for a joke.
Great information! Thank you
I want to say something. I've been watching you for years and i ALWAYS rewatch your old videos because they're just that interesting. You're by far the most hard working, dilligent, honest and caring youtuber I've ever seen. I could leave a comment on your random 37th video about whatever and i would know you're going to not just read it but read it that day. Your dedication floors me and your videos are so in depth that i can watch a 20 minute video about which screw is the best and love every second. Never change man. You're perfect. (No homo)
Thanks so much!
As always, an amazing video. Really appreciate the analysis, the accuracy, the effort and the comparisons. Thanks a million. Best wishes.
This man's forearms have got to be jacked after these tests.
Next video: Which tool will increase forearm size best?
The nature's one...
The first psi test is a really intelligent way to test the torque. Good idea. 👍
Thank you very much!
@@ProjectFarm 😘
It's always impressive how quick he can talk while still being intelligible!
Does he really talk this fast or does he 1.5x
@@serge4856 Well, by the looks of his mouth at the beginning of his videos, it seems that it's real and not fast forwarded lol
It's really nice. I tend to watch everything on youtube at 1.5 speed, or sometimes even faster. In his case you don't need to do that, 1.25x is fine.
Must be because I'm from New England, we talk faster than most of the country.
This is how fast I talk too
Plus I always watch at 1.75 speed and understand him
The reason why battery size matters here even when having same voltage is how battery packs are made. Bigger batteries have more cells in parallel which in addition to higher capacity offers much higher current to be drawn by the tool.
Thanks for the feedback.
Dayym smart as mf
I would've never thought that a larger battery would actually slow down the cutting. But it makes sense - the blade isn't able to grip the wood as much because it's moving too fast. Thanks so much!
You are welcome!
When it comes to batteries, size matters, but knowing how to use your tool is most important.
only batteries though
Good Point!
We still talking about batteries right?
Thats what she says..
Good sir ,its not the size of the ship ,nor is it the motion of the ocean ,its that the captain can stay in port long enough for all off his passengers to get off 😀 😉
Raise your hand if you think Project Farm's socket adapter budget is probably enough to pay for a few impact wrenches.
How bout a thumb? I can raise one of them.
😂 You can buy low-torque impact wrenches from the big three brands that are roughly similar in size and power just without the 1/4” hex connector. But he would have to redo all his testing on socket-related videos so that the numbers were all comparable in charts going forward. That being said, I’d love to see him test impact wrenches. Especially the high-torque models.
Budgeting at ProjectFarm Co must be a spreadsheet nightmare.
🙋🏼♂️
Thanks for running this awesome test! Very interesting results. As a DIYer, I’ll stick to the 2AH batteries for my drills and continue to use a gas leaf-blower.
Thanks for the feedback.
Gas leaf blowers should and will be BANNED! You are irresponsible to the environment AND your neighbors for using one! These noise polluters are an attack on the peace of our communities! You make poor selfish choices and should be called out until it sinks in your selfish little mind!
Your channel is truly outstanding. I will not buy anything without viewing your testing. Thanks for all the hard work.
I’m sure no nails were harmed during testing.😉
You are welcome!
How about a PF test on water soluble degreasers like Simple Green, ZEP, Purple Power, Orange Degreaser, Mother's etc. Thanks for putting all of the PF test on that spreadsheet. Made looking for previous PF tests much easier.
4:06 -- How did Milwaukee manage to trademark the common phrase "light demand"?! 😂
Seriously, who gives this video a thumbs down? Are they disappointed that Todd didn't show them how the batteries can turn things into gold?
I find it funny that claims of 2X, 4X or 10X more power don't have any kind of reference point so, the claims are actually meaningless advertising.
As usual absolutely great review with very useful information.
Thanks again Todd.
You are welcome!
I recently bought a 18v Makita blower, it works much better than I thought, a handy bit of kit, I still have a large petrol backpack one, but I can't really use it in the house.
A comparison of battery blower's would be really good, from an eBay 18v knock off one up to something more expensive and meaty.
Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks for sharing.
Clever test, I never would have thought to test something like this. Great work as usual!
Thank you very much!
4:31 - price per amp hour
4:40 - weight in grams
8:22 - psi % increase and torque
12:53 - average reciprocating saw speed
14:52 - air speed after 5 minutes
Thanks for the feedback.
Some was as I expected and some wasn't. Never considered saw speed could be too much with a sawzall, but thinking about my (limited) machine shop experience I know there's a limited optimum speed range for metal so now I see what was happening with the nails in the wood. Guess I've learned a new trick tonight- thanks Todd!
You are welcome!
About 15 years ago I had a part time Job at Orchard Supply and Hardware (OSH) which was then part of Sears and K-mart. Once or twice a year we had a Tool-Expo day, for the lack of a better name, in each Regional Headquarters store. At these shindigs, all of the manufacturers we supported brought samples, presented demos, and gave away some pretty cool door prizes.
At this particular show, one of the manufacturers was Milwaukee. Their rep told us that they had just developed an adapter that allowed all of their tools to run off of their competitors batteries. At the last moment they had changed their minds, but before that they had made a whole semi-truck full of adapters.
Always tried to find one of those, but was never successful at finding one.
"I like big batts and I cannot lie." -- Sir Fixalot
Oh great. Now I’ve got that song stuck in my head but with new lyrics.
underrated comment
Dad joke of the month!
You other mothers can't deny.
lmao
A familiar test, more data the better! That poor 2,000 psi pressure gauge though
That thing was tapping out
He needed a bigger gauge :D :D Maxing it out like that can eventually destroy the gauge, but I guess he gambled it can take it for the duration of the test.
Very interesting results, this will definitely affect my battery game for the future. Thanks so much for the hard work as always that you put into every video
Thanks and you are welcome!
Best and most informative tests of various products on TH-cam by far! Thank you!
Still hoping for a wood cutting oscillating blade test. Amazon has some blades as cheap as $1, where everything at Home Depot is $8-10 each. You could use the same rig as your metal cutting test, but replace the screws with hardwood dowels.
Thanks for the video idea.
That would be very interesting to see multi-tool blades from harbor freight, Amazon etc tested with a good bellwether.
Agreed!
"Is your tool under performing because of battery size?"
I dunno PF, I'll have to ask the missus.
or invite PF over for a comparison test? ; )
@@StevenBanks123 😆
Only Project Farm would let us know how much a battery cost per amp hour. He leaves no stone unturned! 🔋⚡
Thanks for the feedback.
Project Farm and Torque Test Channel are two channels who I trust for these things
Thanks for sharing.
I always had a feeling that my smaller Ah batteries performed worse in some of my tools but your level of extensive testing confirms it. Thanks for doing all of this and sharing!
You are welcome!
1:40 in to the vid and my jaw dropped.....never expected an increase in performance let alone by so much!
Great point!
I can't thank you enough for all your hard work to give us the most reliable information
Thanks so much!
Definitely one of the most useful content creators on TH-cam!
Thanks!
I would love to see a comparison between different brands of PVC cement.
Thanks for the video idea.
Get Hercules
Another honest unbiased review! Thanks.
Thank you very much!
Something I didn't know I needed to know, but now am glad I know. Good stuff as always. Had no idea of the performance difference between battery sizes, I thought it was purely about capacity.
Thanks for the feedback.
it is possible
duriung cell manufacturing and design, they have to choose in a tradeoff between power density and energy density
two different 18650 cells could have the specs:
A) 2000mAh capacity - 20A current rating
B) 3000mAh capacity - 5A current rating
the smaller battery pack would use 5x cell A in series to get to a pack voltage of 20V (single cell voltage 4.2V) and its 2Ah capacity
and it could deliver 20A of current continously
the bigger pack would use 4 parallel sets of 5 cells B in series
it would still have 20V pack voltage
one set of 5 still has a current rating of 5A
but 4 sets parallel can deliver 20A continous, just like the smaller pack, but for longer, since the capacity quadruples as well, to the 12Ah rating
if they only used 3 sets of cell B, it could only deliver 15A continous with a pack capacity of 9Ah
I'd assume they have cells wired in parallel. For DeWalt, you can model these cells as the smallest, 2Ah 20V. When wiring batteries in parallel, voltage remains the same, and capacity adds linearly. However, in parallel you decrease the effective internal resistance of the battery bank, increasing the available amperage for the tool to draw.
@@ussenterncc1701e Li-Ion battery cells have a nominal voltage of 3.6V, maximum of 4.2V an 3V minimum
20A is more than enough peak current for these tools, especially at 20V
@@marc_frank even if we assume they're just using COTS cells, we know it's a 20V battery, so we have black box of how they achieve 20V, and can't know what the actual peak amp production is without testing. At most, we can use the final product as a model and take the values as granted. Doing this, it is still reasonable to assume, whether they independently engineer batteries from the ground up or step up COTS, that they've only produced one 20V solution. Then that solution is used as a model cell.
I know this is not a tool comparison, but every time I'm impressed about how good are Milwaukee brand tools!
@Internet Person unfortunately they are not easy to buy here in Italy. Makita and De Walt are sold on most of hardware shops.
I'd say that the most common high quality brand here is Hilti. Do you know it?
@Internet Person hilti is one of the tool truck and industrial/fleet brands here in the states. From what I remember, substantially higher priced (probably double or triple the price) and often several years behind the curve in battery and electric motor tech. They do great stuff in certain areas, and have a solid warranty, but their cost is also insane for most things.
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Who would’ve thought or knew … what a great bench test … exceptional service channel !!! 😎
I like how Project Farm can now pretty much buy what he wants and tell Mrs. Project Farm that it’s for the channel. Smart man!
I had been hoping for this test as I knew from the manufacturers themselves that their larger batteries had performance benefits beyond just a longer run time. One thing to note from this that I had considered on previous tests is that battery size is a factor that should be controlled for in future tool tests. Fortunately I imagine you have accrued enough batteries at this point to make that pretty feasible. I didn’t however consider the possibility of a performance decrease due to faster blade speed on the reciprocating saw although as you said increased downward pressure likely would’ve corrected this issue or obviously just making use of the variable speed trigger which would once again allow the larger batteries benefits to shine making the choice to go larger a valid decision when balanced against the weight you are able withstand without fatigue during use. Also note that another touted benefit of the larger batteries according to the manufacturers is that they will have greater longevity allowing more charge cycles over its lifetime adding to their overall value.
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Thank you. This is going to settle sooo many arguments at work come Monday morning. Always top notch, unbiased test.
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Large batteries are so heavy, its also can be ergonomics and fatigue issue
To be honest a 12.0 is not enough to even come close to wearing out my arm using all week long might just be me but it’s stupid light
Great point on the battery weight!
Maybe stop being a pansy...."omg it's so heavyyyyy ughhhh" 🤣
Heavier battery could also help reduce impact vibration since it’s more weight the tool needs to move
@@HSKFabrications if your holding it all day or over head it makes a difference
‘Torque test channel’ do testing on pneumatic as well as electric impacts, it’s been shown on every single test the bigger battery will allow the tool to produce more torque...some an order of magnitude more. I’ve noticed a huge difference on my small ryobi’s with a 2.5ah vs an 5ah.
Keep up the excellent videos mate!
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I never would have believed the performance differences between battery size would have been so much. Gives a new perspective for sure.
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For pros like me, I would say that the main, perhaps only, factor is the added runtime. It’s worth the added cost and weight to have the tool keep going in most applications. Great test though, as always!
While I don't work with power tools daily, I also find that I would rather carry 1 4lbs battery and get everything done than have to juggle small batteries
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I have found that it does not matter provided that the charger can charge a battery faster than I can discharge one ! life has got better with lithium !
"It broke the socket adapter?!" "It broke another socket adapter!!" 😵
Powerful impact driver!
Its not as worked as the dewalt.
@@shadowopsairman1583 Highly doubt it being worked would make that much of a difference. (coming from a dewalt fan)
@@shadowopsairman1583 dewalt is for home games not pros just like makita they just dont last in a commercial setting
@@ProjectFarm yeah, it was probably good that it shut off on the 12ah battery (probably over-current protection on the tool). as I think you would have broken many more socket adapters.
So very glad you did this video! Have passed this on to a few of my contractor friends that use a slew of battery tools. Awesome video! Thanks! The video on reciprocating saw blades was great too! Thanks!
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This video is very helpful for people constructing or demolishing things and this information could save the person or the company a lot of time and work.
I've done work of repetitive sawing or drilling and if a specific battery size change would have made the work faster and more efficient I know our boss would have spent the money.
I'll for sure let people know what I learned from this video.
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I just thought Amp Hour meant the battery lasted longer. I would have never guessed they improved the tools performance.
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It's interesting because when you, say, double capacity, you also double the amount of battery. That means you can pull twice the power from it, or, in cases where the voltage sags under load (battery chemistry can't react fast enough, not enough surface area), you have half the voltage sag.
All other things being equal, a battery with a bigger capacity will always be able to deliver more power, with less voltage sag.
Batteries are not voltage regulated when draining, a larger batt on a big load will maintain a slightly higher voltage causing better performance as well as longer run time. On Smaller load tools performance is negligible.
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yea by running more cells in parallel you decrease internal resistance of the battery
@@user21XXL yep, or make use of the newer 21700 cells and their lower Ri. (Featuring more surface area).
My boy Milwaukee!
Creative wind test! Very impressive!
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What an interesting video idea!
Keep up the good work, there's nothing out there like this channel!
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Man this must have been an expensive test! Thanks the great video!
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Led light bulb comparison. Can't wait 12.3 years to watch it
I'd love to see a video testing the many rubber and seal rejuvenators out there. Claims include rejuvenating gaskets, oil leaks, main seal leaks, transmission leaks, etc. ATP AT-205, BARS, Lucas, Hapco Pro-Seal etc.
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I would love to see a self adhearing automotive heatshield comparison. A comparison of radiant and direct heat tolerance, adhesive heat tolerance, sound deadening ability, very cold to very hot temp fluctuation resillance, road debris puncture/tear resistance, etc.
The Milwaukee tool results are fascinating. Using a bigger battery prevents the tool from being able to do its job at all. Seems like their overload protection system isn't working optimally.
Great point!
Awesome test! My girlfriend is going to love knowing my tool is probably underperforming due to battery size.
Hey guys, quick engineer take if you're wondering why. Each battery has an internal resistance. To get a larger Ah battery you put your batteries in parallel hence you put the internal resistance in parallel. This is like blowing through one straw vs going through, say 4 straws. The effective internal resistance of a 12Ah will be 1/6th that of the 2Ah. Cool video idea for sure!
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