The North American release of the Ibex 450 was pushed back after I made this video, but it should be available by the end of the year. ALSO this was filmed over a month BEFORE the Himalayan 450 launch so I did not yet have experience with it for comparison.
Attention: Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki, the 350-550cc range is where we want to see you making dual sports and "small" adventure bikes. The longstanding gap between a 250 and the jump to a 650+ isn't working out. You've had 20+ years to figure that out, and it looks like some other manufacturers are going to solve the problem for us without you.
Yep CF and Kove and a couple others in US now. Suzuki could’ve updated the DRZ years ago and made a killing. And KTM killed the 490 Adv project for some stupid reason. Heck they can’t even come out with a 690 Adv on a model they already have. There is the Honda 450 but not the same thing.
@timbrandt7211 the ktm 390 adventure r and enduro r have been announced for next year which use the new 399cc engine. There have been rumours and spy shots of them for ages but finally official.
@@danielpoulis9855yes the 390 will be interesting to see the level of build and components they decide to use. I still think the previous mentioned 490 would have been a real hit.
@timbrandt7211 you aren't wrong, a 450-500 would be pretty sick. All the current 450s are kinda farmbikes. I ride a 2023 390 adv sw and my dad rides a 2023 690 enduro r. My bike manages on the highway but not super comfortable but trudges along offroad. The 690 meanwhile hates to go slow but obviously has way better suspension, is lighter, is super planted, and chilling on the highway, also it chews tires.
@@WetFeet4the 390 is a road engine - and it acts like one. You spend half your time slipping the clutch at low speed. The new one needs to crawl in low gear without stuttering and carrying on like a pork chop.
This is the bike that every rider mentions wanting that the big four and high brow brands have just ignored. CFMOTO listened and built it. Smart strategy. 🦄
For the last decade, I've been convinced that the Big Moto cartel conspired to prevent us from having a lightweight off road oriented ADV bike with the power to cruise on the highway in order to protect the sales of their bloated expensive 800 cc and 1250 cc ADV bikes. No more! Now they'll need to compete or lose market share to CF Moto, Kove, etc.
@@IRLtrolls you live under a rock bro? LMAO Europe loved it, Asia loved it, Australia loved it, US is waiting for it. I Have One, and having loads of FUN that you're missing 😂😂
Yup. Might be the best 'First' Bike... and the best 'Last' Bike. (This is from somebody in their 70's.) Long awaited twin 400 to 500 cc 'Adventure' bike. Yamaha, Honda, KTM, Suzuki... had better be listening.
A lot of more experienced riders in Australia (and elsewhere) have purchased this bike for themselves - not just entry level. On paper, it's relatively heavy but it carries its weight so low that it feels and rides much lighter. A lot of folks have replaced the 14T front sprocket to a 15T to reduce revs at highway speeds. The suspension feels stiff but it's really dialled in for aggressive riding, I've hit some serious pot holes at some speed and it didn't bottom out. Folding mirrors, folding gear shifter and folding brake pedal come standard. The problem is, like many first year models bikes, is parts and accessories available. It's the KTM that KTM didn't make, instead allowed CFMoto to build.
As an owner and live in Australia, I have done the 15t change, I still haven't touched the front settings, just softened the rear a touch. I absolutely love it. Perfect alrounder.
@Sargnort Yes, I wound out the rebound about 4 clicks from the Factory setting to soften the shock, seems to have done the trick. SSSM in Tamworth have a custom spring for the rear shock which is dialed in to rider's weight but I haven't heard any feedback if it improves the ride and is worth doing.
@@lorenzotelleria4200exactly. The T7 wears its weight higher, but the Tuareg 660 doesn’t and is only 30lbs heavier than the 450 and that’s with and with additional gallon of fuel!
They are fantastic bikes and best value. Accessories like crash bars upper and lower and seat only cost me $380.00 here in Australia. Had mine since April and still enjoying the ride. Sold my dr650 and tiger 800, so this is the only bike I'll keep.
Glad to hear you’re enjoying your new bike. I hope you don’t decide to buy another DR, I just watched Ben’s review on it earlier. I think he has just pushed the used DR market price up even more with his positive feedback. 😮
@paulstevenconyngham7880 hey the cfmoto 450mt is so much nicer to ride and the motor is smooth with no vibration like the dr. Ifind this bike great on long trips and I not fatigued.
A sensible bike, that stands apart, that is fit for purpose in this MAD world, where riders purchase machines, from their hearts, without listening to their heads,
I bought a Moto Morini X Cape last October. Italian design, China manufactured. Licensed copy of the Versys engine from a decade ago. Really, really well made. I'm 6'3" 240lbs. First bike I've owned where I didn't need to immediately upgrade the suspension, bars, seat. Nothing, nada. Great outta the box. Impressed.
My brother in law has a so called Italian designed and Chinese manufactured bike in the Philippines and i was not impressed at all. These Chinese brands are marketing these bikes like this but have had horrible quality and just are garbage all over the place. They have been selling bikes like this in the Philippines for years now and I’ve not heard or seen any good so far other than the cheap price tag.
@@jrreeves998 that's too bad. I've heard, and experienced, nothing but good things about Moto Morini. The factory reps are really, really hands on and on top of any concerns. Which greatly alleviate having that "beta tester" worries. Sorry to hear your experience was bad.
The Moto Morini X Cape is 40 kg heavier then the CFMoto 450MT and it only has 190cm ground clearance vs 220cm on the 450MT. Just based on those two parameters, the 450MT is the clear winner when it comes to offroad.
@@BeatPatrol88 I am in no uncertain terms, comparing the X Cape to the 450MT. I was merely commenting on how far the quality of manufacture has come with some bikes from China. I have no desire to try and pick up a 540lb bike. I use mine as a "touring" and all around, every day bike.
I can't wait for the bike to hit dealers. I am currently a novice dirtbike rider, but I have two friends on adventure bikes. It is going to be very tempting at the price point to go this route just to be able to ride with those guys. Love the review. Hopefully, you can get a long-term unit to see what you will do with one.
Knowing this bike was coming out, I sold my Transalp and bought a Vstrom 1050xt for pure touring duty bc I'm planning on getting this as my solo ADV bike for the exact reasons you mentioned. All the good riding is hours away from me, and I've already ridden the KLR650 to Key West and the Black Hills, so a bike that weight 30lbs less with the same horsepower and no vibrations is going to be the cats pajamas.
Great little review and vi've been watching this bike for some months now. They released it a while back in Australia and the u. K and people are just totally impressed with this machine. I myself went 2 weeks ago and put a down. Payment on one so can't wait for it to get in. Been looking at all the accessories for it. So, uh, pretty much ready to get it and go thanks again for all your great videos. I watch you all the time. And can't wait to get my new bike.See out on the trail
Hey, I like your gloves. I have the same pai, wear them all the time. Republicable Ari, and I just feel good. Certainly. We'll be buying another pair when I wear these out. Good choice peace out
I think this bike is the best fit for most people who want to ride on road without fear of riding gravel and dirt. I want to do hardcore off road stuff but this bike sure has a sweet engine.
Have had mine on order for a month now. Can't wait to get it and start riding it - especially since they are already enjoying this bike in Asia, Australia, and Europe. Thanks for the vid!
Chinese bikes are really tempting. Very sweet. The only thing that keeps me from buying one is the political climate. When relations go any further south due to Taiwan and the Phillipines its quite likely Chinese trade will be halted or heavily impacted. Then what??? No parts??? I will continue to buy Japanese motorcycles built in Japan, and Thailand (hesitantly). But Honda should learn from this bike, its what the NX500 should have been.
I didn't let politics influence how I spent my money for my leisure. I bought a CFMOTO a couple of years ago and have been really happy. We here in the US like to believe that we are "mightier than thou" when it comes to politics. That can't be further from the truth. It's your dollar, might as well get the best bang for your buck. Modern corporations are doing the same thing, and trust me, they have NO PROBLEMS doing business in China with your money.
Thanks Dork, I hope the release date is not pushed back, have had a deposit in on one in Colorado since spring, (first in line for gray version), and I was originally told Sep-Oct time frame. I live up high in Colorado, so in October I will likely struggle to find riding days, ok with cold, but not ice and snow. Thanks for the review. I'm intermediate level but older, so this seems like the ticket to me. I saw one in person in July, sat on it but that was it. I did however ride the 450 NK. I hadn't ridden a real street oriented bike since my 73 Yamaha RD350 (I know, 50 years!). It seemed to have plenty of power for Denver highways, but real power was really high in the rev range and the sport seating position was hard to get used to. Looks great for more planned BDRs and a trip way down south. Sound is really good and not too loud, love that gurgle. I used to work just down the street from CFMoto in Hangzhou in the 90s, and you are wrong if you don't think Chinese firms can't make good quality. CF in Mandarin is "Chun Feng", which means spring wind, and I'd say it's fitting for this entry into the ADV market.
@4:50 tires turning opposite directions are never a good sign 😅 Excellent review as always Dork!! Looking forward to more of your content on the new 450. Thanks!
As someone of a similar stature, I love to hear your opinion on bikes. I'm very interested in this bike and think it's remarkable that I wouldn't need to immediately change my suspension like I did on my CRF300L.
I have been hemming and hawing (if that is the correct spelling) about building a CRF450RL or an equivalent KTM to do BDR-esque rides but this, this seems like its worth waiting for. Thanks for reviewing it for us DiTR!!
... bought the 450 MT in May 24, this bike is awesome, enough power for off-road riding, comfortable suspension, remote tracking system, ABS & TCS etc. Just some minor customizing's and it's perfect (higher seat, chain slider rear sprocket, engine guard, protection foil for plastics ...) ...
Hi Ben. Thanks for your review. After the issues of weight going off road on my Ibex 800 T, I'm wanting to get this bike. You get to have all the fun. I'm glad you like it.
I have the Cfmoto 450ss and I absolutely love it. I’ve had 24 bikes (not clapped out turds) and it truly is an amazing platform. So I’m picking this up as soon as I can. I’ll keep my bmw 1200gsa but for some reason this bike just seems so fun. I can’t wait to pick one up in a month or so. Also that 675 they’re coming out with will probably be another bike I put in the stable😏
Considering how long we have been waiting for our unicorn bike, the fact that a Chinese company decided to make one makes me think the big 3 are either too lazy or just don’t give a damn about us consumers. So quite frankly they can go kma.
@@Tyr1001 my mate got a pinch flat on his Tiger 800 last week and was close being stuck out bush overnight. He had trouble getting the front tyre back on after replacing the tube, but got it there. Probably wouldn’t have had the problem with tubeless, but if he got a nail through it he could have plugged a tubeless tyre. I run tubes but given the choice I probably would prefer tubeless and carry both a plug kit and tubes as backup. I’ve never got stuck but it will happen one day. Some people swear by tubes only though.
I don't mind Chinese bikes. They have upped their game in the motorcycle market lately and are making some pretty good quality bikes for the price. I love the looks, everyone who drove it seem to love it. Long term durability seems to be great. The only reason I will probably not go with this bike is parts availability. I heard horror stories of people in the UK are waiting upwards of 3 months for parts to come in. I heard that from a couple reviewers where they couldn't ride the bike for months while waiting for parts. That is a dealbreaker for me!
I went to Get On ADV Black Hills last year and made the horrible mistake of doing one of the Advanced tracks, and man was it ROUGH. Poor T7 made it but with some ADV patina on the bars. Was thinking just the other day "Man I wish they made a Tenere 450" and here you are uttering those VERY WORDS!
I've seen so many people praise these, that you giving your approval is pushing me over the edge. I'm getting one for next year. They are dirt cheap (1k euro less than NX500 from Honda for example), it does everything I want, is my size (I'm 5ft6 with 31inch in-seam) and can do touring for when I inevitably get tired and just decide to go back 300km on a motorway. Unless the availability isn't gonna keep up, then I'll just get a run down 1998 bmw f650gs funduro for a tenner and a bottle of good wine to run it into the ground while waiting for it lmao.
Dork I am going to keep saying it, Thank you. You helped me get into adventure bikes. I bought my Tenere a month ago and love it. I wish I got into it sooner. I just need to get luggage so I can go camping.
I've had mine since late June and love it. I've been riding for 7 years and this is my 1st adventure bike. I've done 1600km or 1000 miles. I have the stock crash bars upper and lower, HD bash plate, taller windscreen, luggage racks and other small protection items. Stock tyres are ok on road, hard pack gravel roads but a garbage on the slippery wet mud and I believe crap on soft sand. I will also purchase the factory colour coded high mount front guard as I've heard stories of the front wheel locking up due to so much mud getting stuck between guard and tyre. I have several videos of this bike on my channel if you care to have a look. Also you didn't mention the choppy throttle when going from 0 - 20% throttle off road. CF Moto have made updates to the fuel mapping to eliminate it. I believe you can improve it by adjusting the amount of slack in the cable. Updates can be made online via the app if you put it on your phone.
Love your reviews, Dork, especially the perspective from the average rider and not an A racer or an ex-racer. As an experienced average recreation rider myself, who used to do ADV rides on Dual Sport when I was younger, I really like your evaluations. Now I ride a KTM 890 (Not the R) I love the bike for BDR type riding, but I am always looking for something lighter. Is the CFMoto 450 noticeable lighter? I am also waiting for the updated KTM 390 with the 21 front tire to come out.
Lots of interest and positive owner reviews here in Australia. Japan asleep at the wheel, no innovative bikes coming out and this is the result. Only fault noted here is that those two lower frame tubes fill up with water, easily fixed.
My Benelli has the little switch that allows you to flash your high beams. I find it very useful at night when approaching an intersection to make sure cars see me. It has caused several to not pull out in front of me after they started rolling.
Interesting comments about the throttle with you riding it. Watched several reviews of people outside the states and they're saying the throttle is snappy.
If had my 450MT out here in Australia since May. Bloody ripper of a bike. I've since sold my 1050XT as this bike can do it all and is way more capable off road.
Good quick video, thanks. Been watching you for a while. Currently have a cruiser and a V Strom 650 that I did the MABDR on a couple years back. I like the 650 but getting a little older and not a lot of riding so was looking at something smaller. I was about dead set on the KTM 390. I, like I guess just about everyone else, wondered why one of the Japanese companies didn't make a bike like this before, a little bit bigger CRF Rally with a lower seat height or a smaller T7... and keep it in the entry level price point. All that said, it seemed you mentioned a Tenere 450 a couple times but I didn't go back to verify, and I don't see one in google. This may be something I pick up next year though I wish it was made somewhere else.
@@Almecho Some say the CFmoto is better off road. Think you really need to try and ride both and decide for yourself but everyone online seems to love both so its hard to go wrong.
450MT is a little better both on and off road. And it has extra stuff compared to RE. The only question mark is reliability, not that RE has a benchmark. Anyway, the Chinese offer a 5-year warranty.
I repeat: The difference is quite evident. If u need motorcycle for rather calm riding - RE will be better. If u prefer more aggressive ride, go with CF moto. Both motorcycles quite hopeless on the road - too small engine (not the "speed" but flexibility... shifting gears all the time). No, none of them is Japanese or European quality.
I’ve been waiting for this review. :-) So far every TH-cam review I’ve seen on this bike agrees with yours. Japan better get off its butt, it’s about to get left behind if it hasn’t already.
OPINIONS NEEDED: I'm looking to replace a bike REALLY want to get into ADV riding now that there is Southeast BDR right here in North Georgia where I live (Chattahoochee BDR-X). I'm looking at the CFMoto Ibex 450, the Benelli TRK 502 X, **OR** a gently used 2020 Suzuki V-Strom 650. Mind you I've ridden touring, performance cruiser, and naked bikes for 40+ years, but this would be my first foray into ADV. I'm leaning toward the last... but what do you think?
Fun ride/review. 7:30 in the video is exactly the spot where a bumblebee flew into/underneath my chest protector and stung me last year while I was riding that trail 😂
I got one too, ADV in the blue and I love it. Me and you would be cramped on this Ibex, even though I love that CF makes it. There isnt another bike out there that I like this much as the KLR.
My Dad bought one. He’s loving it for that it is. He did mention that the fuel tank finish was poked (almost like they forgot the paint it) so he’s sending that back under warranty. Looks like CFMoto is one to keep an eye on. Personally I’m interested to see them in 50k - 100k, as I heard KTM has those cam shaft issues. (Are these affected? Who knows…)
I’ve had my Temu Tenere for 3 months here in Australia and I love it, goes anywhere and will sit on the highway all day long at 6-7000rpm just did a 800klm trip in 12 hours on the highway and it didn’t miss a beat. Lots of people whining about the twitchy throttle on the forums but I think it’s fine, they’ve sold a heap over here proving to be very popular 👍🏻
Hows does it compare to the himalayan 450 though is the question? What do you get for the extra 1k? Also didnt yamaha buy or merge with cfmoto? Could be why it feels like a baby tenere
The difference is quite evident. If u need motorcycle for rather calm riding - RE will be better. If u prefere more agresive ride, go with CF moto. Both motorcycles quite hopeless on the road - too small engine (not the "speed" but flexibility... shifting gears all the time)
A few years back I read an article that Yamaha had heavily invested in CF MOTO. This bike should be wearing Yamaha badges as many reviewers have said on videos that it feels like a small T7. One can only hope they do make a baby Tenere T5 in the next few years.
@@LuckyNikitaBobaYamaha does have a working relationship with CFMoto. And there was someone on TH-cam who took the 450 engine apart and said there were Yamaha parts, or at least cloned parts. Something to think about.
Think I am going to pick one of these up next year. I have not ridden off road since high school and have only ridden a dirt bike a handful of times. I think it will be a great bike to explore the black hills and other place (I am not too far from the black hills :-)
This vs crf 300 rally for total beginer? or perhaps voge 300 rally? Max speeds up to 60 mph, but mostly commuting trough city, with desire to learn offroad on the weekends when free?
I am seriously tempted by this motorcycle and the KOVE 450 rally. I am just wondering if they are enough of a step up from my current CFR300L Rally to warrant the purchase. I am looking at all of them as BDR, TAT, CDR, bikes and unfortunately I live on the east coast and any of the three I would probably trailer to get to the other eleven BDR's.
We have had this bike for about 5 months here in Sweden and it has sold well. I own a CRF300 Rally and have contemplated changing to the 450MT. I finally decided not to change. Sure the motor and suspension are big improvements over my Rally but the weight is too much. Some people have already exchanged the 450 for a T7. The power to weight ratio is in favour of the T7. Rumours are that Honda and Triumph may come with something new for next year 👍👍
You can get a bigger screen for it, if you think that is too small. And here in Australia, there is a place that is already doing remaps to fix the hesitancy in the throttle low down. Also get the taller seat. I would love to own one.
Ben, I thought I'd provide an update, just got an email from the dealership I ordered my Ibex 450 from stating that they got a letter from CFMoto which says the Ibex 450 and some other 2025 models will be delayed 90 days. He said to expect January of February of 2025 for delivery. The info you passed on was correct... dang it!
I'm doing the WA BDR next year and I was recently in a local dealership eyeing a Tenere 700, it was marked down to $9700 and I was really considering it! This would also be on my list to check out, especially after this video! That exhaust note sounds awesome! But alas, I'll be riding my 1992 XR600R on the BDR, because I'm cheap, but maybe someday!!
I’m in the same boat and I understand that if you call a few dealerships you can find a 2024 T7 for $8,000-8,500 depending on how far you go to get it.
@@LambvinskisGarage I agree. I am about to do the same and find a 2024 T7. I was skeptical about finding one for $8k, but it’s a completely different world and it’s definitely possible now. When you see owners with used T7s asking $9-12k you start thinking that a new bike is not being discounted, but they are. In fact, someone in St. Louis just bought one for $8000 plus tax and registration fees.
So, what tires would you recommend for this bike? About a 60-75 mile ride to get to the trails from home to the trails in WI. Something like this would be for commuting to and from work and some small errand runs.
Thanks, Ben for that awesome ride and mini review. Have you heard when they are releasing them in North America as you know I live in Canada and I’ve been wanting one of these for a while. Looking forward to next video. Cheers.
😂 ExciteBike Nes 8bit was a cool intropart👍 Going up one tooth on the frontsprocket will take it down from 7 to 6 rpm at 70mph, better milage and less buzzing = more comfortable onroad experience👍 Just a little tip for those interested in this bike. Absolute first mod, along with tyres ofc.
I might be getting mine this year or next year idk. I'm really eyeing on this motorcycle since it was announced. The only thing it's stopping me from getting it is my credit limit😅
For an experienced on road rider, but first time ADV rider, would you recommend the Ibex 450 at $6500 over an Ibex 800 T for $8500? I feel like I'm experienced enough to jump in slightly over "beginner cc", and the 800 would grow with me longer. But, tell me if I'm crazy. Thanks! 😎
Very nice…and it takes off well in 3rd 😂. Thanks for the review, I think I need one as a second bike for those days the Rhino is better off parked…looks like a blast
The North American release of the Ibex 450 was pushed back after I made this video, but it should be available by the end of the year.
ALSO this was filmed over a month BEFORE the Himalayan 450 launch so I did not yet have experience with it for comparison.
Will you be doing a video at some point with initial thoughts comparing both bikes?
If California dealers don't mark the prices up to KTM levels (which is common) Ill buy a 450MT, no interest in another RE. 🙂
Now that you have ridden both (Ibex 450 and Himalayan 450) , which one do you prefer?
My Dealership in Colorado called me on Friday saying they were unloading a truck of them and to stand by for adventure! This will be my first bike!
Ibex 450, Himalayan 450 comparison is a vid for me Soon?
Attention: Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and Kawasaki, the 350-550cc range is where we want to see you making dual sports and "small" adventure bikes. The longstanding gap between a 250 and the jump to a 650+ isn't working out. You've had 20+ years to figure that out, and it looks like some other manufacturers are going to solve the problem for us without you.
Yep CF and Kove and a couple others in US now. Suzuki could’ve updated the DRZ years ago and made a killing. And KTM killed the 490 Adv project for some stupid reason. Heck they can’t even come out with a 690 Adv on a model they already have. There is the Honda 450 but not the same thing.
@timbrandt7211 the ktm 390 adventure r and enduro r have been announced for next year which use the new 399cc engine. There have been rumours and spy shots of them for ages but finally official.
@@danielpoulis9855yes the 390 will be interesting to see the level of build and components they decide to use.
I still think the previous mentioned 490 would have been a real hit.
@timbrandt7211 you aren't wrong, a 450-500 would be pretty sick. All the current 450s are kinda farmbikes. I ride a 2023 390 adv sw and my dad rides a 2023 690 enduro r. My bike manages on the highway but not super comfortable but trudges along offroad. The 690 meanwhile hates to go slow but obviously has way better suspension, is lighter, is super planted, and chilling on the highway, also it chews tires.
@@WetFeet4the 390 is a road engine - and it acts like one. You spend half your time slipping the clutch at low speed. The new one needs to crawl in low gear without stuttering and carrying on like a pork chop.
This is the bike that every rider mentions wanting that the big four and high brow brands have just ignored. CFMOTO listened and built it. Smart strategy.
🦄
For the last decade, I've been convinced that the Big Moto cartel conspired to prevent us from having a lightweight off road oriented ADV bike with the power to cruise on the highway in order to protect the sales of their bloated expensive 800 cc and 1250 cc ADV bikes. No more! Now they'll need to compete or lose market share to CF Moto, Kove, etc.
Silly Chinese bot 🇨🇳
@@Josh-ew1le Is the dork a chinese bot too? maybe it's just a good bike?
No one wants this bikes power to weight ratio. No one. Thats why it’s not selling. It’s way too heavy.
@@IRLtrolls you live under a rock bro? LMAO
Europe loved it, Asia loved it, Australia loved it, US is waiting for it.
I Have One, and having loads of FUN that you're missing 😂😂
Yup. Might be the best 'First' Bike... and the best 'Last' Bike. (This is from somebody in their 70's.)
Long awaited twin 400 to 500 cc 'Adventure' bike. Yamaha, Honda, KTM, Suzuki... had better be listening.
Really excited to see reviews and long term evals of this bike - get one!
A lot of more experienced riders in Australia (and elsewhere) have purchased this bike for themselves - not just entry level. On paper, it's relatively heavy but it carries its weight so low that it feels and rides much lighter. A lot of folks have replaced the 14T front sprocket to a 15T to reduce revs at highway speeds. The suspension feels stiff but it's really dialled in for aggressive riding, I've hit some serious pot holes at some speed and it didn't bottom out. Folding mirrors, folding gear shifter and folding brake pedal come standard. The problem is, like many first year models bikes, is parts and accessories available. It's the KTM that KTM didn't make, instead allowed CFMoto to build.
As an owner and live in Australia, I have done the 15t change, I still haven't touched the front settings, just softened the rear a touch. I absolutely love it. Perfect alrounder.
@Sargnort Yes, I wound out the rebound about 4 clicks from the Factory setting to soften the shock, seems to have done the trick. SSSM in Tamworth have a custom spring for the rear shock which is dialed in to rider's weight but I haven't heard any feedback if it improves the ride and is worth doing.
Wow, you actually beat Big Rock Moto to the first review! Still awaiting his thoughts.
Tons of interest around this bike due to its price point and engine size. It looks like a smaller T7. Great review!
@davidskaggs9914 yes but weights almost the same too... seems like a sweet bike, if it was under 400lbs I would trade in my T7!
@@lorenzotelleria4200 My thought exactly, I find it a bit hefty. Still, an appealing entry into the market, can't beat that price!
@@lorenzotelleria4200exactly. The T7 wears its weight higher, but the Tuareg 660 doesn’t and is only 30lbs heavier than the 450 and that’s with and with additional gallon of fuel!
These bikes are definitely fun. Awesome review as usual Batman
They are fantastic bikes and best value. Accessories like crash bars upper and lower and seat only cost me $380.00 here in Australia. Had mine since April and still enjoying the ride. Sold my dr650 and tiger 800, so this is the only bike I'll keep.
Woah no way you sold the DR for this - interesting. As a former DR rider how do the two compare?
Glad to hear you’re enjoying your new bike. I hope you don’t decide to buy another DR, I just watched Ben’s review on it earlier. I think he has just pushed the used DR market price up even more with his positive feedback. 😮
@paulstevenconyngham7880 hey the cfmoto 450mt is so much nicer to ride and the motor is smooth with no vibration like the dr. Ifind this bike great on long trips and I not fatigued.
I have the 800 IBEX and love it. I have my name in for the 450 at my dealer. Glad you enjoyed it, the game is changing...
I also have the 800. It's just too heavy and powerful for my skill level on gravel roads so this bike definitely has my attention.
A sensible bike, that stands apart, that is fit for purpose in this MAD world, where riders purchase machines, from their hearts, without listening to their heads,
I bought a Moto Morini X Cape last October. Italian design, China manufactured. Licensed copy of the Versys engine from a decade ago. Really, really well made. I'm 6'3" 240lbs. First bike I've owned where I didn't need to immediately upgrade the suspension, bars, seat. Nothing, nada. Great outta the box. Impressed.
My brother in law has a so called Italian designed and Chinese manufactured bike in the Philippines and i was not impressed at all. These Chinese brands are marketing these bikes like this but have had horrible quality and just are garbage all over the place. They have been selling bikes like this in the Philippines for years now and I’ve not heard or seen any good so far other than the cheap price tag.
@@jrreeves998 that's too bad. I've heard, and experienced, nothing but good things about Moto Morini. The factory reps are really, really hands on and on top of any concerns. Which greatly alleviate having that "beta tester" worries. Sorry to hear your experience was bad.
The Moto Morini X Cape is 40 kg heavier then the CFMoto 450MT and it only has 190cm ground clearance vs 220cm on the 450MT.
Just based on those two parameters, the 450MT is the clear winner when it comes to offroad.
@@BeatPatrol88 I am in no uncertain terms, comparing the X Cape to the 450MT. I was merely commenting on how far the quality of manufacture has come with some bikes from China. I have no desire to try and pick up a 540lb bike. I use mine as a "touring" and all around, every day bike.
@@alkydah6741 fair enough 😊✌🏼
My local dealer here in Virginia, called me today to tell me they have 7 Ibex 450 due in on Tuesday, 28 January ! I get 1st dibs ! YES !
I can't wait for the bike to hit dealers. I am currently a novice dirtbike rider, but I have two friends on adventure bikes. It is going to be very tempting at the price point to go this route just to be able to ride with those guys. Love the review. Hopefully, you can get a long-term unit to see what you will do with one.
Knowing this bike was coming out, I sold my Transalp and bought a Vstrom 1050xt for pure touring duty bc I'm planning on getting this as my solo ADV bike for the exact reasons you mentioned. All the good riding is hours away from me, and I've already ridden the KLR650 to Key West and the Black Hills, so a bike that weight 30lbs less with the same horsepower and no vibrations is going to be the cats pajamas.
The lower frame bashplate mounts are filling up with water here in Oz, rust is happening but fixable.
Great little review and vi've been watching this bike for some months now. They released it a while back in Australia and the u. K and people are just totally impressed with this machine. I myself went 2 weeks ago and put a down. Payment on one so can't wait for it to get in. Been looking at all the accessories for it. So, uh, pretty much ready to get it and go thanks again for all your great videos. I watch you all the time. And can't wait to get my new bike.See out on the trail
Hey, I like your gloves. I have the same pai, wear them all the time. Republicable Ari, and I just feel good. Certainly. We'll be buying another pair when I wear these out. Good choice peace out
It’s this or the Himalayan 452. Two perfect bikes for me! I can’t wait to try them!
Just hit nearby dealerships in Georgia TODAY. Yes, I'm picking mine up on Saturday.
I think this bike is the best fit for most people who want to ride on road without fear of riding gravel and dirt. I want to do hardcore off road stuff but this bike sure has a sweet engine.
Have had mine on order for a month now. Can't wait to get it and start riding it - especially since they are already enjoying this bike in Asia, Australia, and Europe. Thanks for the vid!
Chinese bikes are really tempting. Very sweet. The only thing that keeps me from buying one is the political climate. When relations go any further south due to Taiwan and the Phillipines its quite likely Chinese trade will be halted or heavily impacted. Then what??? No parts??? I will continue to buy Japanese motorcycles built in Japan, and Thailand (hesitantly). But Honda should learn from this bike, its what the NX500 should have been.
Not to mention. Many medications would not be available. Too much has been outsourced to China.
support nothing from china… and don’t simp over Chinese products…
I didn't let politics influence how I spent my money for my leisure. I bought a CFMOTO a couple of years ago and have been really happy. We here in the US like to believe that we are "mightier than thou" when it comes to politics. That can't be further from the truth. It's your dollar, might as well get the best bang for your buck. Modern corporations are doing the same thing, and trust me, they have NO PROBLEMS doing business in China with your money.
You are watching too many movies! If all that happens, you've got a heck of lot bigger problems than your motorcycle!
@@twowheelboomer Agreed
How does CF motto bikes always sound unreal!! The exhausts noises are awesome
Cross plane engines. You should hear it with a slip on. It's got a big bark to it.
Great review and the landscape just looks amazing!
I have ridden most of my life but decided to learn off road riding on a Benelli TRK 502x, also made by CF Moto. It has been a great bike.
Its not made by them at all
benelli is owned by QJ Motor, not CFMoto
trk 502 is litteraly the worst choice of the segment😂
Thanks Dork, I hope the release date is not pushed back, have had a deposit in on one in Colorado since spring, (first in line for gray version), and I was originally told Sep-Oct time frame. I live up high in Colorado, so in October I will likely struggle to find riding days, ok with cold, but not ice and snow. Thanks for the review. I'm intermediate level but older, so this seems like the ticket to me. I saw one in person in July, sat on it but that was it. I did however ride the 450 NK. I hadn't ridden a real street oriented bike since my 73 Yamaha RD350 (I know, 50 years!). It seemed to have plenty of power for Denver highways, but real power was really high in the rev range and the sport seating position was hard to get used to. Looks great for more planned BDRs and a trip way down south. Sound is really good and not too loud, love that gurgle. I used to work just down the street from CFMoto in Hangzhou in the 90s, and you are wrong if you don't think Chinese firms can't make good quality. CF in Mandarin is "Chun Feng", which means spring wind, and I'd say it's fitting for this entry into the ADV market.
@4:50 tires turning opposite directions are never a good sign 😅
Excellent review as always Dork!! Looking forward to more of your content on the new 450. Thanks!
As someone of a similar stature, I love to hear your opinion on bikes. I'm very interested in this bike and think it's remarkable that I wouldn't need to immediately change my suspension like I did on my CRF300L.
I have been hemming and hawing (if that is the correct spelling) about building a CRF450RL or an equivalent KTM to do BDR-esque rides but this, this seems like its worth waiting for. Thanks for reviewing it for us DiTR!!
@@PaulGinAZ68 the CRF450RL will be over 120lbs lighter though
... bought the 450 MT in May 24, this bike is awesome, enough power for off-road riding, comfortable suspension, remote tracking system, ABS & TCS etc. Just some minor customizing's and it's perfect (higher seat, chain slider rear sprocket, engine guard, protection foil for plastics ...) ...
Hi Ben. Thanks for your review. After the issues of weight going off road on my Ibex 800 T, I'm wanting to get this bike.
You get to have all the fun. I'm glad you like it.
I have the Cfmoto 450ss and I absolutely love it. I’ve had 24 bikes (not clapped out turds) and it truly is an amazing platform. So I’m picking this up as soon as I can. I’ll keep my bmw 1200gsa but for some reason this bike just seems so fun. I can’t wait to pick one up in a month or so. Also that 675 they’re coming out with will probably be another bike I put in the stable😏
I have the 450NK, and that motor is the sweetest, smoothest little power plant. I can't wait to ride the Ibex 450.
I have been waiting on you to do this bike. I’m very curious about the spike. I enjoy your perspective on things. This may be my next purchase.
I have a 2023 GS 1250 and love it, but I also want one of these. What an amazing value!
I have a R1200 GSA and the CFMOTO 450. Great Combo.
I'm damn jealous of the terrain you get to ride on ;)
Considering how long we have been waiting for our unicorn bike, the fact that a Chinese company decided to make one makes me think the big 3 are either too lazy or just don’t give a damn about us consumers. So quite frankly they can go kma.
I got a versys 300x. that does everything indeed too. I like that more small displacement adv are coming to market
I am considering that one too along with the ibex and himalayan 450, tough decision
@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm kawi dealer is 20mins away RE dealer is 3 hrs away. that made the choice pretty simple
Tubeless tires on a $6500 bike??
Suzuki 800DE and Honda Transalp…I hope you’re watching!
I think tubed is a conscious choice for adventure and dual-sport motorcycles. makes a lot of sense from a triage perspective
It is conscious choice. But by cost cutting measure, nothing else@@Tyr1001
@@Tyr1001nothing stopping you from running tubes but it’s good to have the option I recon.
@@RealHooksy ya good point, I'd rather have the option than not
@@Tyr1001 my mate got a pinch flat on his Tiger 800 last week and was close being stuck out bush overnight.
He had trouble getting the front tyre back on after replacing the tube, but got it there.
Probably wouldn’t have had the problem with tubeless, but if he got a nail through it he could have plugged a tubeless tyre.
I run tubes but given the choice I probably would prefer tubeless and carry both a plug kit and tubes as backup.
I’ve never got stuck but it will happen one day.
Some people swear by tubes only though.
I don't mind Chinese bikes. They have upped their game in the motorcycle market lately and are making some pretty good quality bikes for the price. I love the looks, everyone who drove it seem to love it. Long term durability seems to be great. The only reason I will probably not go with this bike is parts availability. I heard horror stories of people in the UK are waiting upwards of 3 months for parts to come in. I heard that from a couple reviewers where they couldn't ride the bike for months while waiting for parts. That is a dealbreaker for me!
I went to Get On ADV Black Hills last year and made the horrible mistake of doing one of the Advanced tracks, and man was it ROUGH. Poor T7 made it but with some ADV patina on the bars. Was thinking just the other day "Man I wish they made a Tenere 450" and here you are uttering those VERY WORDS!
Sounds like a nice bike at a great price.
I look forward to the long term reviews and reliability.
So jealous of your riding areas!
I've seen so many people praise these, that you giving your approval is pushing me over the edge. I'm getting one for next year. They are dirt cheap (1k euro less than NX500 from Honda for example), it does everything I want, is my size (I'm 5ft6 with 31inch in-seam) and can do touring for when I inevitably get tired and just decide to go back 300km on a motorway. Unless the availability isn't gonna keep up, then I'll just get a run down 1998 bmw f650gs funduro for a tenner and a bottle of good wine to run it into the ground while waiting for it lmao.
Thanks for the review, Ben. That extremely manageable seat height makes this very tempting for me, as I am a sorry arse.
Well Dork, you and Spite have convinced me
I'm gonna get one.
@@victorsturdivant4731 😂😆🤣
I can't wait for you to do a full review on this bike
Sounds very nice. i love their 450 cc engines, great for beginers
Dork I am going to keep saying it, Thank you. You helped me get into adventure bikes. I bought my Tenere a month ago and love it. I wish I got into it sooner. I just need to get luggage so I can go camping.
tenere 700?
Thanks for the good review, I'm a bigger dude but want something a lil smaller for better offroad
Looks like the perfect adventure bike for my wife. Hesitant to order but hopefully next season they are more readily available.
No one else noticed that SxS @4:50 was disabled with a broken tie rod?
I've had mine since late June and love it. I've been riding for 7 years and this is my 1st adventure bike. I've done 1600km or 1000 miles. I have the stock crash bars upper and lower, HD bash plate, taller windscreen, luggage racks and other small protection items. Stock tyres are ok on road, hard pack gravel roads but a garbage on the slippery wet mud and I believe crap on soft sand. I will also purchase the factory colour coded high mount front guard as I've heard stories of the front wheel locking up due to so much mud getting stuck between guard and tyre. I have several videos of this bike on my channel if you care to have a look. Also you didn't mention the choppy throttle when going from 0 - 20% throttle off road. CF Moto have made updates to the fuel mapping to eliminate it. I believe you can improve it by adjusting the amount of slack in the cable. Updates can be made online via the app if you put it on your phone.
@@FlatBrokeAdventures does it have cruise control? Thanks!!
@montanajjp1228 no unfortunately
Love your reviews, Dork, especially the perspective from the average rider and not an A racer or an ex-racer. As an experienced average recreation rider myself, who used to do ADV rides on Dual Sport when I was younger, I really like your evaluations.
Now I ride a KTM 890 (Not the R) I love the bike for BDR type riding, but I am always looking for something lighter. Is the CFMoto 450 noticeable lighter? I am also waiting for the updated KTM 390 with the 21 front tire to come out.
Lots of interest and positive owner reviews here in Australia. Japan asleep at the wheel, no innovative bikes coming out and this is the result. Only fault noted here is that those two lower frame tubes fill up with water, easily fixed.
My Benelli has the little switch that allows you to flash your high beams. I find it very useful at night when approaching an intersection to make sure cars see me. It has caused several to not pull out in front of me after they started rolling.
Honda has too😂
Let’s hope parts supply is good - a work colleague has been waiting a looonnng time to get his CF back on the road.
Hey hey hey you said “That’s our boy Jake’s Fault” on them scratched plastics. You need specify which Jake you’re talking about.
I bought CF moto four wheeler a while back and it’s very good unit
got that as my first bike with 37, got my license last week and i love that thing!
Xi will be happy to hear that
Interesting comments about the throttle with you riding it. Watched several reviews of people outside the states and they're saying the throttle is snappy.
The update fixed that. It was terrible with the slack throttle cables and before update.
Just ordered! Can't wait to get mine
Very excited to see more in this bike. Thanks for posting!!
If had my 450MT out here in Australia since May.
Bloody ripper of a bike.
I've since sold my 1050XT as this bike can do it all and is way more capable off road.
Could this go over Hagerman pass from the Colorado BDR? Could it do it fully loaded for a week long trip? If yes, I might just get one.
How would you rate it compared to Honda cb500x and 300l rally. Is it easier to ride off road than 790 adventure
ive had mine out in Oz for 2 weeks ... it gets better each time i ride it .. on and off road
Good quick video, thanks. Been watching you for a while. Currently have a cruiser and a V Strom 650 that I did the MABDR on a couple years back. I like the 650 but getting a little older and not a lot of riding so was looking at something smaller. I was about dead set on the KTM 390. I, like I guess just about everyone else, wondered why one of the Japanese companies didn't make a bike like this before, a little bit bigger CRF Rally with a lower seat height or a smaller T7... and keep it in the entry level price point. All that said, it seemed you mentioned a Tenere 450 a couple times but I didn't go back to verify, and I don't see one in google. This may be something I pick up next year though I wish it was made somewhere else.
He was just calling the cf moto a tenere 450. That's what he said it reminded him of, a T7, only smaller.
I can't wait to buy one!
How does it compare with the new Himalayan?
Himalayan little better offroad, CF Moto is little more road oriented
@@Almecho Some say the CFmoto is better off road. Think you really need to try and ride both and decide for yourself but everyone online seems to love both so its hard to go wrong.
450MT is a little better both on and off road. And it has extra stuff compared to RE. The only question mark is reliability, not that RE has a benchmark. Anyway, the Chinese offer a 5-year warranty.
I repeat: The difference is quite evident. If u need motorcycle for rather calm riding - RE will be better. If u prefer more aggressive ride, go with CF moto.
Both motorcycles quite hopeless on the road - too small engine (not the "speed" but flexibility... shifting gears all the time).
No, none of them is Japanese or European quality.
@@TheParaxore I agree, my comment came from my own experience as I tested them both. So it is just my own preference.
I’ve been waiting for this review. :-) So far every TH-cam review I’ve seen on this bike agrees with yours. Japan better get off its butt, it’s about to get left behind if it hasn’t already.
OPINIONS NEEDED: I'm looking to replace a bike REALLY want to get into ADV riding now that there is Southeast BDR right here in North Georgia where I live (Chattahoochee BDR-X). I'm looking at the CFMoto Ibex 450, the Benelli TRK 502 X, **OR** a gently used 2020 Suzuki V-Strom 650. Mind you I've ridden touring, performance cruiser, and naked bikes for 40+ years, but this would be my first foray into ADV. I'm leaning toward the last... but what do you think?
Aww hell yes! I've been waiting on this bike!
Fun ride/review. 7:30 in the video is exactly the spot where a bumblebee flew into/underneath my chest protector and stung me last year while I was riding that trail 😂
I have had my 450MT here in Australia for 5 weeks now, this bike is so good they are in big demand here, buyers waiting for new shipment's to arrive.
I'll keep my eye on these. I started in March on a 250L, loving it, but I think I want something like this in addition.
Well this looks like A LOT of fun.
I’m 6’ with a 34” inseam…your legs look pretty cramped. Just bought a 24 KLR 650 by the way. Great bike!
I got one too, ADV in the blue and I love it. Me and you would be cramped on this Ibex, even though I love that CF makes it. There isnt another bike out there that I like this much as the KLR.
My Dad bought one. He’s loving it for that it is.
He did mention that the fuel tank finish was poked (almost like they forgot the paint it) so he’s sending that back under warranty.
Looks like CFMoto is one to keep an eye on.
Personally I’m interested to see them in 50k - 100k, as I heard KTM has those cam shaft issues. (Are these affected? Who knows…)
Is that or the kove 450 better ?
I’ve had my Temu Tenere for 3 months here in Australia and I love it, goes anywhere and will sit on the highway all day long at 6-7000rpm just did a 800klm trip in 12 hours on the highway and it didn’t miss a beat. Lots of people whining about the twitchy throttle on the forums but I think it’s fine, they’ve sold a heap over here proving to be very popular 👍🏻
How tall are you? I’m concerned about seat position. Standing just shy of 6-5”
@@arikpeterson6260 get the oem higher seat and you'll be fine
@@arikpeterson6260 go the high seat, I’m 5.9 and will be getting the high seat
@@arikpeterson6260 I’m 5.9 definitely Need the higher seat and you can move bars forward a bit
Hows does it compare to the himalayan 450 though is the question? What do you get for the extra 1k? Also didnt yamaha buy or merge with cfmoto? Could be why it feels like a baby tenere
The difference is quite evident. If u need motorcycle for rather calm riding - RE will be better. If u prefere more agresive ride, go with CF moto.
Both motorcycles quite hopeless on the road - too small engine (not the "speed" but flexibility... shifting gears all the time)
A few years back I read an article that Yamaha had heavily invested in CF MOTO. This bike should be wearing Yamaha badges as many reviewers have said on videos that it feels like a small T7. One can only hope they do make a baby Tenere T5 in the next few years.
@@sawdog007 KTM in CF Moto, owned by the same company
@@LuckyNikitaBobaYamaha does have a working relationship with CFMoto. And there was someone on TH-cam who took the 450 engine apart and said there were Yamaha parts, or at least cloned parts. Something to think about.
@@sawdog007 The article you read was misleading; this bike doesn't have any kind of Yamaha engineering.
Looking to buy this for my son to use when I'm on my 790 so we can do stuff a little further than we can comfortably do on our dual sports.
Think I am going to pick one of these up next year. I have not ridden off road since high school and have only ridden a dirt bike a handful of times. I think it will be a great bike to explore the black hills and other place (I am not too far from the black hills :-)
This vs crf 300 rally for total beginer? or perhaps voge 300 rally? Max speeds up to 60 mph, but mostly commuting trough city, with desire to learn offroad on the weekends when free?
I want one real bad.
I also wish the Ibex 800 was more like this bike. I would buy both.
I picked up a 2024 KLR 650S 0 miles for under 5k. I got a rebate from Kawasaki. I’m loving it. $6500 for that bike seems high to me.
@@dennylowery8546 I was looking for this. I mean I can’t see the point in it when KLR exists.
@HeavyPickr0010 the cfmoto is lighter and has more horsepower
@@drew4769 it probably also has Covid
@HeavyPickr0010 you asked a question. Got schooled. great comeback... the klr probably attacked Pearl Harbor
@@HeavyPickr0010 just admit you don't know what you're talking about
I am seriously tempted by this motorcycle and the KOVE 450 rally. I am just wondering if they are enough of a step up from my current CFR300L Rally to warrant the purchase. I am looking at all of them as BDR, TAT, CDR, bikes and unfortunately I live on the east coast and any of the three I would probably trailer to get to the other eleven BDR's.
Same bro.
We have had this bike for about 5 months here in Sweden and it has sold well. I own a CRF300 Rally and have contemplated changing to the 450MT.
I finally decided not to change. Sure the motor and suspension are big improvements over my Rally but the weight is too much.
Some people have already exchanged the 450 for a T7.
The power to weight ratio is in favour of the T7. Rumours are that Honda and Triumph may come with something new for next year 👍👍
You can get a bigger screen for it, if you think that is too small. And here in Australia, there is a place that is already doing remaps to fix the hesitancy in the throttle low down. Also get the taller seat.
I would love to own one.
Ben, I thought I'd provide an update, just got an email from the dealership I ordered my Ibex 450 from stating that they got a letter from CFMoto which says the Ibex 450 and some other 2025 models will be delayed 90 days. He said to expect January of February of 2025 for delivery. The info you passed on was correct... dang it!
I'm doing the WA BDR next year and I was recently in a local dealership eyeing a Tenere 700, it was marked down to $9700 and I was really considering it! This would also be on my list to check out, especially after this video! That exhaust note sounds awesome! But alas, I'll be riding my 1992 XR600R on the BDR, because I'm cheap, but maybe someday!!
I’m in the same boat and I understand that if you call a few dealerships you can find a 2024 T7 for $8,000-8,500 depending on how far you go to get it.
@@trailrunnermike I drive thousands of miles for cars, so I'd travel for the right bike!
@@LambvinskisGarage I agree. I am about to do the same and find a 2024 T7. I was skeptical about finding one for $8k, but it’s a completely different world and it’s definitely possible now. When you see owners with used T7s asking $9-12k you start thinking that a new bike is not being discounted, but they are. In fact, someone in St. Louis just bought one for $8000 plus tax and registration fees.
So, what tires would you recommend for this bike? About a 60-75 mile ride to get to the trails from home to the trails in WI. Something like this would be for commuting to and from work and some small errand runs.
Thanks, Ben for that awesome ride and mini review. Have you heard when they are releasing them in North America as you know I live in Canada and I’ve been wanting one of these for a while. Looking forward to next video. Cheers.
Sorry, didn’t see your mention of the release of the bike, thanks for sharing that
Great review, as always!! Thanks.
What do you think about the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450? Off and on-road?
Drz400 has some competition now 😅🤙
@@sicsempertyrannis4104 The DRZ is a dual-sport, the CF is an adventure bike, they aren't comparable (I've ridden both).
@@jimtitt3571 yes, but it is the cross-over to the digital dark side of the ADV 😂
@@jimtitt3571
Don’t forget about the “enduro” category
@@JS-ny8sn I have a 200 and 450 EXC so it's unlikely!
The bike has a nice tone to it as well. I bet it would sound awesome with an aftermarket exhaust!
😂 ExciteBike Nes 8bit was a cool intropart👍
Going up one tooth on the frontsprocket will take it down from 7 to 6 rpm at 70mph, better milage and less buzzing = more comfortable onroad experience👍
Just a little tip for those interested in this bike.
Absolute first mod, along with tyres ofc.
And makes it off road less enjoyable.
I might be getting mine this year or next year idk. I'm really eyeing on this motorcycle since it was announced. The only thing it's stopping me from getting it is my credit limit😅
For an experienced on road rider, but first time ADV rider, would you recommend the Ibex 450 at $6500 over an Ibex 800 T for $8500? I feel like I'm experienced enough to jump in slightly over "beginner cc", and the 800 would grow with me longer. But, tell me if I'm crazy. Thanks! 😎
Very nice…and it takes off well in 3rd 😂. Thanks for the review, I think I need one as a second bike for those days the Rhino is better off parked…looks like a blast