About the museum: If you come back to Australia and bring Penelope when she is 6-12 take her to Scienceworks Museum in Melbourne's western suburbs. It is an amazing interactive science and technology museum aimed at children and families. I have never met a child who doesn't think Scienceworks is fun as heck!
I love that you guys seem like a real world version of a family show, with occasional swears to show you're real. Like a really enjoyable familial unit.
There was already a place that owned the trademark for Burger King when the american BK started setting up here, and the owner wouldn't sell or give them the name. So they had to come up with something else, and Hungry Jack's was the result.
To add to this; when the trademark lapsed, Burger King called out a technicality in the contract with the company running Hungry Jacks as a whole (Competitive Foods Australia), and opened Burger King stores across the country. They were sued by the Competitive Foods Australia, who then won, and ultimately they took over the Burger King stores and re-branded them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Jack%27s#Corporate_profile
I'm definitely putting that museum down on the places I'm going to visit when I take my own trip to australia sometime in the semi-distant future. Looks absolutely phenomenal.
Depending on who you are going with there are a variety of quality museums in Melbourne. The Melbourne Museum has a natural history bent and is the oldest museum. it's got a lot of Taxidermy going on. Scienceworks in Spotswood is great for kids and is all interactive exhibits. It's focus is on engineering and science. it is the location of the planetarium. There are many many other smaller museums around too. The Maritime Museum, the Immigration Museum and the State Library is Free to enter and is also a museum. There is a really nice arts museum as well, the Shrine of Remembrance and just outside of town is the RAAF museum and Werribee mansion.
I love the cinematography you put into your vlogs. Like the obvious attempt to film the bird, who immediately flew away, then the camera pans down as if to say, "Well that didn't work"
Also, the design of the ute was a result of the wife of a farmer asking Ford Australia for "a vehicle to go to church in on a Sunday and which can carry our pigs to market on Mondays". Kind of makes sense in a nation that has a large rural population.
My girlfriends parents used to give her 'little girls tea' which was warm milk with a tea bag dunked in it. Perfect for a toddler to feel like she's joining in.
Because of the way Melbourne was originally built a lot of the cafes and alleyway restaurants don't have their own in built toilets and its not feasible to build new ones in...and so tonnes of the places end up with....toilets in a-joining buildings or intended for staff or whatever they can find that is even slightly semi attached. Its weird yeah but its pretty common. I have honestly had to walk down a series of 3 service alleys to get the toilet before...its like the labyrinth for pooping sometimes. lol
"If I lived here I'd be fat, Pies are amazing and calorically dense" Can confirm on both counts. Also yea, Australia does finance to the extreme, we get more and everything costs about %125~ more, it shocks people especially since we use the 'dollar' denotation and its JUST similar enough that people compare it 1:1 to their local 'dollar'.
Just FYI, "ute", while it does include what you described, also covers basically any passenger vehicle with a tray (the word "pickup" isn't really used here).
Interesting that you bring up that it's not really like your spring. That was actually part of a proposal to change the official seasons in Australia to a five season calendar to more accurately represent it. It was suggesting that Sprinter starts in august and goes to September, Sprummer would represent the wild storms that happen this time of year, from October to November, and true summer actually being four months long, with autumn and winter only 2 months each. The proposal was ran by Tim Entwisle who is the Chief Executive of Melbourne's Botanical Gardens. It's a really interesting proposal but sadly got shut down, so we're stuck with the inaccurate European calendar.
Fun fact, Aussie barristers are in demand in Germany. I met a group of Expat Aussies who where back in Brisbane on Holiday and they all took a day coarse to get Australian Certificates to go back with to Germany. Also the Average wage in Australia is around 75k.
BK in Aus is called Hungry Jack's because "Burger King" was already trademarked by another company when BK tried to expand there in the 70s. For anyone curious.
And it was a company that was all ready in Australia that Burger King bought for the locations, the same way that safeways became Woolworths just local brands selling off to incoming competition.
that doesn't sound right, we had burger kings up till the late nineties before the last of them re re branded to hungry jacks, unless they since won the trademark started calling some of the stores burger king then went back to hungry jacks
The trademark was state-based... was Burger King where they got the license to trade as such, Hungry Jacks where they couldn't, HJ proved the more successful name, so they switched them all.
Like you say, espresso coffee is super popular in Australia, to the point of almost oversaturation. There's almost nowhere you'll find the cheap $1 "coffee" you'd find in North America, but at good speciality places you can find a nice variety of pour over, cold drip and even sometimes nice batch brews.
Also, in Mattoon Illinois there is a Burger King that is not associated with the fast food chain and they have a restraining order against the chain preventing them from opening any of their franchises within 20 miles of them.
That bathroom looks like the sort of thing a set designer would deliberately craft for a horror film set in a dystopian hellscape. Nice looking coffee shop(?) though.
Great vlog as always, Graham! I love seeing these in my sub box. The penguins are so dang cute~ As for sketchy bathrooms, I have MORE than a few stories of my own.
Quebec's meat pies are actual-pie-sized and called tourtières, named after a now-extinct bird that colonists used to stuff them with, now it's usually ground pork and beef.
Australian meat pies contain any kind of meat and vegetable combination you could feasibly put in pastry. The classic is beef, or beef steak. But chicken, chicken and vegetables, curry chicken, lamb, goat, anything is put in pie here. Savory pies are huge and everywhere. EDIT: I forgot sheppard's pie and i fail as an australian.
heyy13 Do you mean shepherd's pie is put into meat pies (for us that's potatoes, beef and corn) or that all those awesome things get put into shepherd's pie?
I meant you also get sheppard's pie. Which is beef or lamb or some combination of with mashed potato on top as a pie lid. I have had potato topped pies with chicken in them though, it's just not a sheppard's pie if it's chicken.
heyy13 Yeah, here shepherd's pie is a layer of corn, a layer of beef and a layer of mashed potato. Though for some reason in French it's called "pâté chinois" which means Chinese meat pie.
It would be cool way down the line to see penelope react to things her parents did before she was born and after just to see what she thinks if what will then be old lrr
When Graham and Kathleen eventually go to Edinburgh, and find the museums being free. Mind = Blown *hint, I know its expensive but if you guys ever find a way to be in the UK.. That would just be grand!*
If those meat pies are of Jamaican origin, then we have those in Canada, and yes they are all the things Kathleen said. You'll have to come to Toronto to get em tho, so you can decide if it's worth it. :P
Cook explored the east coast of Australia but didn't "discover" it. The Dutch had explored and charted the coast for decades before. The west coast was well known by the dutch as they often hit it throughout the 16th and 17th century. Western Australian coastal indigenous tribes are known to have blonde hair and blue eyes from interbreeding with shipwrecked dutch sailors. Cook is important because he actually landed and looked around instead of just charting the coast.
As someone who has lived in New Zealand for significantly more than a decade, drip coffee is non existent. I have never seen or been to a single place that sells it. When I first saw coffee with Serge, I was rather confused as to why they were making something with coffee using filter paper. It still is a little bizarre to me.
Is there something particular about Cream Tea that sets it apart from other black teas that you typically would add cream to and serve with scones? Because that just sounds like basic Tea Service to me.
A cream tea is tea and scones served with clotted cream and jam. The cream in the name actually refers to the clotted cream part, not the cream that you pour into your tea.
I've watched a couple of these vlogs mate, jumping back and forth. You've mentioned coffee several times. If you ever head back down, I think the colloquially name for them are cold press. Typically you need to ask if they stock it or go to a dedicated coffee place to get one.
You want meat pies? Next time you go to Seattle drive down through Bellingham and go to Man Pies! Or if you're coming down on Saturday from 10 - 3, there's Pies to Go at the Farmer's Market. :) Man Pies is up for sale, tho, so hopefully it will still be here if you do!
Last time I went, there's also meat pies sold in the Seattle Center House/Armory - www.seattlecenter.com/locations/detail.aspx?id=150 Unfortunately, despite what Kathleen experienced, "cheap" does not describe them. However, that may be a Center House food court thing, rather than anything else.
Kathleen" I would get so fat eating meat pies." Oh trust me, you can. Good to average meat pies are at most service stations. I put on about 25lb eating nothing but pies while doing night shift work.
There ARE places to get meat pies in Canada Graham. Sadly, they're not on your side of the country. There's a catering business here in Ottawa that makes Meat pies, and in Montreal, there's TA Pies, which has an actual physical location.
I've seen a couple of those... Ut? cars here in the U.S., but they were suuuuper old cars. I guess they tried them out here and they just plain didn't catch on?
While I am absolutely loving watching someone with a more interesting life than me take a vacation that I just can not afford, and it's good, I'm wondering, at what point does this PAC Aus 9 trip going to transition to PAX?
It must have been years ago and rare. because I can say in FOR SURE that we don't have them here any more in any sort of wide spread way. I would LOVE those thigns, as it stands now if you want to get all the katchup out of the packet you have to get some on your fingers when you smooth the pack and then lick it off like an animal.
lol i grew up in Great Ayton where Cook came from. He grew up there not sure why they just dont say that, it is supposed to be is family house because all we have here is a monument saying hey, this house got moved to Australia cos cap'in cook. *waves to Australians* heya www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0003/573528/varieties/desktop.jpg a taste of Cooks home. We are very yorkshire here if that helps.
I am a bit confused about why you have to pay to enter a museum..... Arn't they considered a government service? All the Chicago museums just have 5-10 dollar suggested donations.... except the aquarium because that one is actually a private business.
Why don't American/Canadians do meat pies? We where British at one point, Canada is a member of the Commonwealth Realm. Maybe it is all the German, Italian, and Greek immigrants who changed American Cuisine so much.
We've got potpies here in the States (don't know about CA). Though mainly those are something you either make at home or sometimes order from a restaurant. Or you get them from the freezer section in the grocery store.
yeah, but they aren't as common and ubiquitous as in Britain or Australia. And the Shepard's pie, and pot pies don't feel the same as a mince pie, and you don't eat them in the same way.
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About the museum: If you come back to Australia and bring Penelope when she is 6-12 take her to Scienceworks Museum in Melbourne's western suburbs. It is an amazing interactive science and technology museum aimed at children and families. I have never met a child who doesn't think Scienceworks is fun as heck!
I love that you guys seem like a real world version of a family show, with occasional swears to show you're real. Like a really enjoyable familial unit.
I lived in Australia for two years and honestly, the meat pies are what I miss the most.
Kraest Burns they should because they are. THE BEST
There was an Australian style meat pie place in Toronto, it was so good and I'm sad they've closed since the pandemic hit
Haha! Glad you got to experience the single toilet that services 5 businesses on that street front plus their families, an Aussie classic!
So true
There was already a place that owned the trademark for Burger King when the american BK started setting up here, and the owner wouldn't sell or give them the name. So they had to come up with something else, and Hungry Jack's was the result.
To add to this; when the trademark lapsed, Burger King called out a technicality in the contract with the company running Hungry Jacks as a whole (Competitive Foods Australia), and opened Burger King stores across the country. They were sued by the Competitive Foods Australia, who then won, and ultimately they took over the Burger King stores and re-branded them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungry_Jack%27s#Corporate_profile
also the president of hungry jack's name is jack cowin. he named the company after himself.
I'm definitely putting that museum down on the places I'm going to visit when I take my own trip to australia sometime in the semi-distant future. Looks absolutely phenomenal.
They also have special exhibits on from time to time, so check their schedule against yours when you know when you're visiting.
Yeah it's great. The Royal Exhibition Building next door is actually run by them too, and World Heritage listed.
Depending on who you are going with there are a variety of quality museums in Melbourne. The Melbourne Museum has a natural history bent and is the oldest museum. it's got a lot of Taxidermy going on.
Scienceworks in Spotswood is great for kids and is all interactive exhibits. It's focus is on engineering and science. it is the location of the planetarium. There are many many other smaller museums around too. The Maritime Museum, the Immigration Museum and the State Library is Free to enter and is also a museum. There is a really nice arts museum as well, the Shrine of Remembrance and just outside of town is the RAAF museum and Werribee mansion.
Also for our international viewers, our absolute minimum wage here is $18.29 an hour. So paying $20 for a good meal isn't too hard to fathom
I just seriously reconsidered my stance on Australia's wildlife.
You're absolute minimum is just under £11 an hour.....wtf
Ah, but a thing to note for our international viewers is that under 19-21 depending on the job can get only 70% of minimum wage
Translation: British adults minimum wage = 19-21 year old minimum wage Australia
So, still higher than US min wage: ~$10USD (Aus) vs $7.25USD in the US (federal rate, actual min is state dependent)
I love the cinematography you put into your vlogs. Like the obvious attempt to film the bird, who immediately flew away, then the camera pans down as if to say, "Well that didn't work"
Also, the design of the ute was a result of the wife of a farmer asking Ford Australia for "a vehicle to go to church in on a Sunday and which can carry our pigs to market on Mondays". Kind of makes sense in a nation that has a large rural population.
My girlfriends parents used to give her 'little girls tea' which was warm milk with a tea bag dunked in it. Perfect for a toddler to feel like she's joining in.
the disconnect between that bathroom and the actual business is a deep swerve.
Wow. Was not expecting a fairly modern looking restaurant after that washroom. Also yay for proper vlog end!
Because of the way Melbourne was originally built a lot of the cafes and alleyway restaurants don't have their own in built toilets and its not feasible to build new ones in...and so tonnes of the places end up with....toilets in a-joining buildings or intended for staff or whatever they can find that is even slightly semi attached. Its weird yeah but its pretty common.
I have honestly had to walk down a series of 3 service alleys to get the toilet before...its like the labyrinth for pooping sometimes. lol
These vlogs make me want to visit Melbourne again and be a proper tourist! Love all the parks and museums you guys visited.
Thanks for the Dave's Spokesman intro and these wonderful volgs.
"If I lived here I'd be fat, Pies are amazing and calorically dense"
Can confirm on both counts.
Also yea, Australia does finance to the extreme, we get more and everything costs about %125~ more, it shocks people especially since we use the 'dollar' denotation and its JUST similar enough that people compare it 1:1 to their local 'dollar'.
Just FYI, "ute", while it does include what you described, also covers basically any passenger vehicle with a tray (the word "pickup" isn't really used here).
"tray?" Really?
Uuh, yes...? That's what the thing in the back is called here...
I've only ever heard it referred to as a truck-bed.
Interesting that you bring up that it's not really like your spring. That was actually part of a proposal to change the official seasons in Australia to a five season calendar to more accurately represent it. It was suggesting that Sprinter starts in august and goes to September, Sprummer would represent the wild storms that happen this time of year, from October to November, and true summer actually being four months long, with autumn and winter only 2 months each. The proposal was ran by Tim Entwisle who is the Chief Executive of Melbourne's Botanical Gardens. It's a really interesting proposal but sadly got shut down, so we're stuck with the inaccurate European calendar.
I am now really curious about the 7 season calendar that was mentioned and will have to look it up.
Where I live we have six seasons. Spring, summer, autumn, winter, more winter and mud
"Come on down to Dave's St. Kilda pier! It has everything!"
Would you like to see but not PET a penguin? And also have CREAM tea AND scones.
It's nice to see Dave's Spokesman (My belief is that that is his actual legal name) taking in the sights.
I love these vacation vlogs. You should do them more often!
Fun fact, Aussie barristers are in demand in Germany. I met a group of Expat Aussies who where back in Brisbane on Holiday and they all took a day coarse to get Australian Certificates to go back with to Germany.
Also the Average wage in Australia is around 75k.
Ute: Also a New Zealand thing. Otherwise, great work as always Graham & co.
Penelope's little Aran sweater is my favorite thing.
BK in Aus is called Hungry Jack's because "Burger King" was already trademarked by another company when BK tried to expand there in the 70s. For anyone curious.
it was a person not a company
And it was a company that was all ready in Australia that Burger King bought for the locations, the same way that safeways became Woolworths just local brands selling off to incoming competition.
that doesn't sound right, we had burger kings up till the late nineties before the last of them re re branded to hungry jacks, unless they since won the trademark started calling some of the stores burger king then went back to hungry jacks
The trademark was state-based... was Burger King where they got the license to trade as such, Hungry Jacks where they couldn't, HJ proved the more successful name, so they switched them all.
You beat me to it
Like you say, espresso coffee is super popular in Australia, to the point of almost oversaturation. There's almost nowhere you'll find the cheap $1 "coffee" you'd find in North America, but at good speciality places you can find a nice variety of pour over, cold drip and even sometimes nice batch brews.
In the US we have a chain that is called Carl’s Jr. in the west half and Hardee’s in the east.
Also, in Mattoon Illinois there is a Burger King that is not associated with the fast food chain and they have a restraining order against the chain preventing them from opening any of their franchises within 20 miles of them.
That bathroom looks like the sort of thing a set designer would deliberately craft for a horror film set in a dystopian hellscape. Nice looking coffee shop(?) though.
Great vlog as always, Graham! I love seeing these in my sub box. The penguins are so dang cute~
As for sketchy bathrooms, I have MORE than a few stories of my own.
I ended up getting meat pies for dinner because I was watching this at Woolies
Quebec's meat pies are actual-pie-sized and called tourtières, named after a now-extinct bird that colonists used to stuff them with, now it's usually ground pork and beef.
Australian meat pies contain any kind of meat and vegetable combination you could feasibly put in pastry. The classic is beef, or beef steak. But chicken, chicken and vegetables, curry chicken, lamb, goat, anything is put in pie here. Savory pies are huge and everywhere. EDIT: I forgot sheppard's pie and i fail as an australian.
heyy13 Do you mean shepherd's pie is put into meat pies (for us that's potatoes, beef and corn) or that all those awesome things get put into shepherd's pie?
I meant you also get sheppard's pie. Which is beef or lamb or some combination of with mashed potato on top as a pie lid. I have had potato topped pies with chicken in them though, it's just not a sheppard's pie if it's chicken.
heyy13 Yeah, here shepherd's pie is a layer of corn, a layer of beef and a layer of mashed potato. Though for some reason in French it's called "pâté chinois" which means Chinese meat pie.
We generally do not put corn in our pies. Steak and Mushroom pies are where it is at.
In Sweden many people use "Donken" as slang for McDonalds. I remmember a time when it wasn't so, but I can't remmember when the shift was.
They must be really confused because of the existence of Dunkin's Donuts.
In Portland, Oregon there is an Australian meat pie restaurant called Pacific Pie Company and is very yummy
I was really hoping we would get Penelope's opinion of the coffee.
Lunchables used to have those packets for the Dijon mustard.
I liked Kathleen's Cat top. Just cool. And cream tea is very tasty, I must agree with Penelope.
weird to think i lived only a kilometre or 2 from your airbnb back then.
Best ketchup packs ever and that bathroom was sketch as hell
Dat Crapshoot at the beginning of this video, the value!
It would be cool way down the line to see penelope react to things her parents did before she was born and after just to see what she thinks if what will then be old lrr
In Ontario, we called utes "crucks". Half car, half truck.
When Graham and Kathleen eventually go to Edinburgh, and find the museums being free.
Mind = Blown
*hint, I know its expensive but if you guys ever find a way to be in the UK.. That would just be grand!*
If those meat pies are of Jamaican origin, then we have those in Canada, and yes they are all the things Kathleen said. You'll have to come to Toronto to get em tho, so you can decide if it's worth it. :P
We have every kind of savory pie conceivable here. It's not just one type of pie. We just like to put meat and vegetables in pie...
Interestingly, James Cook was not actually a captain when he found Australia. He was Lieutenant Cook at the time.
Cook explored the east coast of Australia but didn't "discover" it. The Dutch had explored and charted the coast for decades before. The west coast was well known by the dutch as they often hit it throughout the 16th and 17th century. Western Australian coastal indigenous tribes are known to have blonde hair and blue eyes from interbreeding with shipwrecked dutch sailors. Cook is important because he actually landed and looked around instead of just charting the coast.
coffee is super big here, so generally you'll find good coffee pretty much everywhere. Also cadbury.
Yeah, and no one has that drip coffee shit.
9 Episodes in, and I finally realized that these are from 2016. I'm basically Sherlock with my deductive skills.
That intro was very Dave's Spokesman.
I love how Graham still has that Gorillaz Plastic Beach t-shirt.
Big skeletons, neat rocks, HOLY CRAP THAT'S HUGE GEODE!!! :D
that museum is based of the nation history museum in DC
As someone who has lived in New Zealand for significantly more than a decade, drip coffee is non existent. I have never seen or been to a single place that sells it. When I first saw coffee with Serge, I was rather confused as to why they were making something with coffee using filter paper. It still is a little bizarre to me.
Is there something particular about Cream Tea that sets it apart from other black teas that you typically would add cream to and serve with scones? Because that just sounds like basic Tea Service to me.
A cream tea is tea and scones served with clotted cream and jam. The cream in the name actually refers to the clotted cream part, not the cream that you pour into your tea.
ah, gotcha
we have meat pies in Canada its called a tourtiere and it is delicious. Also good vlog :)
I've watched a couple of these vlogs mate, jumping back and forth. You've mentioned coffee several times. If you ever head back down, I think the colloquially name for them are cold press. Typically you need to ask if they stock it or go to a dedicated coffee place to get one.
You want meat pies? Next time you go to Seattle drive down through Bellingham and go to Man Pies! Or if you're coming down on Saturday from 10 - 3, there's Pies to Go at the Farmer's Market. :) Man Pies is up for sale, tho, so hopefully it will still be here if you do!
Last time I went, there's also meat pies sold in the Seattle Center House/Armory - www.seattlecenter.com/locations/detail.aspx?id=150
Unfortunately, despite what Kathleen experienced, "cheap" does not describe them. However, that may be a Center House food court thing, rather than anything else.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE THOSE KETCHUP PACKS?! Hell they'd be great for ranch, maple syrup anything like that!?
That last penguin looked like it wanted to murder G*
Jack be hungry Jack be lord.
Pengolins ARE great!
Kathleen" I would get so fat eating meat pies." Oh trust me, you can. Good to average meat pies are at most service stations. I put on about 25lb eating nothing but pies while doing night shift work.
My eyes were fixated upon the fly
G, what you found at the end there is called a murder hole.
There ARE places to get meat pies in Canada Graham. Sadly, they're not on your side of the country. There's a catering business here in Ottawa that makes Meat pies, and in Montreal, there's TA Pies, which has an actual physical location.
Ok funny thing the only time I have seen the ketchup thing was in Canada
I've seen a couple of those... Ut? cars here in the U.S., but they were suuuuper old cars. I guess they tried them out here and they just plain didn't catch on?
Baby loves her Penelo-tea!
How'd you get Dave's Spokesman to do your intro for you?
Guess you could say there were "Too Many Cooks"
While I am absolutely loving watching someone with a more interesting life than me take a vacation that I just can not afford, and it's good, I'm wondering, at what point does this PAC Aus 9 trip going to transition to PAX?
3D Printing Professor They were in Australia for like 2 weeks, so, pretty soon I think?
song?
Those are like El Caminos
Mullets in car form.
Prime ending
You don't have those sauce packets? That's just uncivilised.
I have seen those in the US, at least for mustard, but that was years ago
It must have been years ago and rare. because I can say in FOR SURE that we don't have them here any more in any sort of wide spread way. I would LOVE those thigns, as it stands now if you want to get all the katchup out of the packet you have to get some on your fingers when you smooth the pack and then lick it off like an animal.
Wait, you don't have meat pies in Canada!?!?! HERESY!
Dude, I can't believe your wife was cold and you didn't hand over your jumper!
...I always have to!
The story I was told was Macdonalds got there first and trademarked burger King so they couldn't use it
PAX aus episode 9 and still no pax. This is quite the vlog series!
Well, if you're going to Australia you may as well make it a sightseeing trip rather than just PAX Aus by itself.
are they dating?
lol i grew up in Great Ayton where Cook came from. He grew up there not sure why they just dont say that, it is supposed to be is family house because all we have here is a monument saying hey, this house got moved to Australia cos cap'in cook. *waves to Australians* heya www.northyorkmoors.org.uk/__data/assets/image/0003/573528/varieties/desktop.jpg a taste of Cooks home. We are very yorkshire here if that helps.
Awesome Gorillaz shirt
Penguin Pies?
that bathroom is from a horror film
I am a bit confused about why you have to pay to enter a museum..... Arn't they considered a government service? All the Chicago museums just have 5-10 dollar suggested donations.... except the aquarium because that one is actually a private business.
but even that is free one day a week
The museum is free for children and anyone with a concession card
Concession card?
Thugorp I'm not sure about the exact guidelines, but it's for people on a lower income so they can get things slightly cheaper.
Do you guy not have food stamps?
Why don't American/Canadians do meat pies? We where British at one point, Canada is a member of the Commonwealth Realm. Maybe it is all the German, Italian, and Greek immigrants who changed American Cuisine so much.
The Greeks, Germans, and Italians all have versions of meat pies. It's a mystery.
Yes, but the immigrant groups in particular decided to get rid of them. I say this as a member of those groups.
We've got potpies here in the States (don't know about CA). Though mainly those are something you either make at home or sometimes order from a restaurant. Or you get them from the freezer section in the grocery store.
yeah, but they aren't as common and ubiquitous as in Britain or Australia. And the Shepard's pie, and pot pies don't feel the same as a mince pie, and you don't eat them in the same way.
Yeah, but they're all we have so I'll take it.
Penguin Meat Pies?
Markurs
Shameless first!