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Can you Cut and Sand at the Same Time? Interesting Results...

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  • Of course while this does work, it's not especially practical. There is the upside of always having a disk sander (with an especially aggressive edge) ready to use, if you are brave enough.
    In all seriousness, I can't recommend doing this. The table saw is for cutting efficiently to accurate dimensions and then you normally take it from there and joint, plane or machine sand it to the final smoothness. You get better control and better results overall when break up the operations in that way.
    I quickly remembered why I don't use this blade - it makes that high pitched sound that's just about intolerable. Not sure what causes it (it's not the sandpaper), but I've only had one other blade that did it
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  • @JohnHeisz
    @JohnHeisz  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1787

    Of course while this does work, it's not especially practical. There is the upside of always having a disk sander (with an especially aggressive edge) ready to use, if you are brave enough.
    In all seriousness, I can't recommend doing this. The table saw is for cutting efficiently to accurate dimensions and then you normally take it from there and joint, plane or machine sand it to the final smoothness. You get better control and better results overall when break up the operations in that way.
    I quickly remembered why I don't use this blade - it makes that high pitched sound that's just about intolerable. Not sure what causes it (it's not the sandpaper), but I've only had one other blade that did it

    • @dthorpe4855
      @dthorpe4855 4 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      They have been selling these sanding disks for the saw blade for a long time it's called Final Cut. Product # 602-FCD65802. $12.00 for 2.

    • @PapiSmerf
      @PapiSmerf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Defective vibration dampening in the blade. The goop that they put in those circular slots is supposed to absorb vibrations and prevent resonance, but if it isn't bonded correctly or damaged that doesn't happen.
      Edit: Oh, and some of those high tooth count blades just whine because of the tooth spacing I think.

    • @Peggyt-jp6mt
      @Peggyt-jp6mt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I hope this video goes viral for you like cutting wood with paper.

    • @richardflorence3927
      @richardflorence3927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      But did it change the dimension when you put the sandpaper on there or did it keep the right dimension?

    • @musamor75
      @musamor75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Very ingenious idea. I think it could be extremely useful when using the sanded edge on the outside.
      The whining sound comes from a blade that's not flat ; it has wind. Very symptomatic. Nothing to be done about that. As one commentator pointed out, some (high quality) blades have stress cuts, and sometimes even brass inserts. In fact, some very high-end models are very smooth and silent. Here in Europe they're very expensive - something bordering on 200$ or more. They make fantastic cuts. The truer the blade, the better the cut. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from France.

  • @D00MTR33
    @D00MTR33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1890

    Next time: Can you sand and cut at the same time?
    "You see, I took my beltsander and added a saw blade to it. Lets see how this goes."

  • @AJ-ln4sm
    @AJ-ln4sm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1481

    I like that sweet tool for removing the arbor nut on your table saw.

    • @11kungfu11
      @11kungfu11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      I think it needs a little crank handle. Like an egg beater.

    • @infidelgaming1670
      @infidelgaming1670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Guessing he made that himself. Ingenuity is a dying skill that pretty much only our grandparents generations have

    • @stevek8617
      @stevek8617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@infidelgaming1670 it's still there just in hiding. When there is a need it will find it's way again.

    • @huntermacdonald6431
      @huntermacdonald6431 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I could use that on my car

    • @infidelgaming1670
      @infidelgaming1670 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@stevek8617 I hope. Everything is based around computers now and I have no issues with them by no means but there's times that we need to go back to a simpler life even if it was harder.

  • @scotts.2624
    @scotts.2624 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4131

    Note: Always use your wife's good sewing scissors to cut sand paper.

    • @pikakenut
      @pikakenut 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Says the guy who actually " probably" did that. Hmmmm did I do that to my mom's sewing scissors 😂

    • @danl.4743
      @danl.4743 4 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      "Honey, I sharpened your scissors".

    • @thecommenter578
      @thecommenter578 4 ปีที่แล้ว +267

      Warning, doing so could result in fatal injury or death. Or even worse sleeping on the sofa

    • @joekenorer
      @joekenorer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +189

      @@thecommenter578 The wise man owns the most comfortable sofas.

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Okay everybody, when she asks we say this guy told us.

  • @ggsj
    @ggsj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    I didn't finish watching this yet, but I HAVE to say this: that's quite the device you made for changing the blade's nut. I really like it!

    • @kylestanley7843
      @kylestanley7843 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I saw that too, absolutely genius.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm over here like "Just use a crescent wrench... wtf"

    • @usingahandlemessedupmyusername
      @usingahandlemessedupmyusername 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      nut

    • @AlenHR
      @AlenHR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yea, really cool. would be cooler if it was 1:4 ratio or something..

    • @aceichner
      @aceichner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I had to rewind to check that out. Then at the end the 'build' was one of the linked videos.

  • @GiacoWhatever
    @GiacoWhatever 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1666

    Ok you've done blade, paper blade, sand paper blade... Looking forward to just sand blade! :)

    • @DJBUXsound
      @DJBUXsound 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I think next will be "Toilet paper blade" xD

    • @kellcomnet
      @kellcomnet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Modern Wood CZ I had a pun’y response but it isn’t TH-cam appropriate...sigh.

    • @Cadwaladr
      @Cadwaladr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Sand blade is better known as a cutting wheel.

    • @dustysparks
      @dustysparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Isn't that just a sand-stone grinding-wheel? :P Like a... I dunno, table-angle-grinder? or... a table-stone?

    • @Trve_Kvlt
      @Trve_Kvlt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Glass blade

  • @Si-kc3ou
    @Si-kc3ou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    My construction teacher in school had sandpaper on his blades it was like perfect for cutting

  • @zachthompson1376
    @zachthompson1376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1687

    I highly recommend patenting that before someone else makes your millions

    • @-invalid-2882
      @-invalid-2882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Would be smart

    • @rafox66
      @rafox66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      Too late, IT'S MINE!!!

    • @TheSkunkyMonk
      @TheSkunkyMonk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      Sad that is what humanity has come to mind, I get it but should anyone really own an idea? Trademarks I get 100% but patents and copyright just hold humanity and art back.

    • @rafox66
      @rafox66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      @@TheSkunkyMonk I understand what you mean.
      But if you invented something and someone else just comes along and steals your idea and sells it you wouldn't be happy about that.
      That's like an artist stealing someone elses song and taking all the credit for it.

    • @eirenwhelan3312
      @eirenwhelan3312 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Skunky Monk it’s alright for something as simple as a sanding saw blade but when it comes to things that require years of investment and development, it’s necessary to have patents.

  • @OwlMoovement
    @OwlMoovement 4 ปีที่แล้ว +678

    So this is basically playing rock, paper, and scissors all at the same time, right?

    • @uncreativeprocess
      @uncreativeprocess 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Wow you’re so fucking astute, quarts silica sand (rock) paper backing (obvious) saw blade (scissors)

    • @ZzHasbrozZ
      @ZzHasbrozZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Wood is the paper.

    • @irfandy8
      @irfandy8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ZzHasbrozZ sandpaper IS the paper

    • @ZzHasbrozZ
      @ZzHasbrozZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nah, the paper is intrinsically bound to the ‘rock’ so it can’t be a participant in the game. If it did, paper beats rock. The distinct elements at work in the video and joke are the blade, the sandpaper surface, and the wood. Each element reference the elements of the game rock, paper scissors. Scissor/blade beat paper/wood but rock/sandpaper beat scissors, doing a better job and paper/wood beat rock as it will eventually wear out and have to be replaced.

    • @frankcruz8725
      @frankcruz8725 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rock and scissors only get along if paper is between them

  • @w_d_s_4238
    @w_d_s_4238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    I like how this is a short vid while keeping its interest

    • @subspaceanomaly
      @subspaceanomaly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I skipped to the bit where he did it to see if it worked, I don't need to spend five minutes watching someone take a saw blade and glue sandpiper to it. I don't have any excuse for reading the comments.. Some of them are funny though

  • @iscream3851
    @iscream3851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I’m not into any carpentry, just saw this in my recommendations and I’m glad to watch this vid. Quite interesting

  • @gilangthehuman7713
    @gilangthehuman7713 4 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    I read the title as " Can you cut sand..."
    I was like wha-

    • @MrHeroicDemon
      @MrHeroicDemon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Burj Khalifa can stand on sand

    • @averageheightwizard4798
      @averageheightwizard4798 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I read the same and I was like why??

    • @leboi4174
      @leboi4174 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      'Can you cut with sand' my eyes are fucked I guess

    • @silistar2646
      @silistar2646 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrHeroicDemon actually it isnt standing on sand they had to dig very deep

    • @davidkonevky7372
      @davidkonevky7372 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leboi4174 me too lmao

  • @twilight_foxbody7354
    @twilight_foxbody7354 4 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    He just kept flexing with his special tool to remove the saw blade nut

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I would too if I made that tool. That thing is sick.

    • @talleytolliver3185
      @talleytolliver3185 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      FACTS

    • @samibrahim929
      @samibrahim929 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I mean that thing is AWESOME i dont blame him

    • @johnluke659
      @johnluke659 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤢 pretentious

    • @ByronReyesFCBarca
      @ByronReyesFCBarca 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol nifty tool

  • @leahsdreams
    @leahsdreams 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1111

    In before we start seeing companies advertise this as some kind of revolution lol

    • @liveleaky7571
      @liveleaky7571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I luv u

    • @jishimoari
      @jishimoari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      150eur for 3 blades if you order in next 30 minites an you'll get free green wallet.

    • @maitele
      @maitele 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      God I hope not. This sounds like an invitation for kickback and will get someone killed.

    • @christophercervantes5346
      @christophercervantes5346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In before this comment gets taken down by said company for "copyright"

    • @birdsrule8608
      @birdsrule8608 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Are you a man?

  • @helenlawson8426
    @helenlawson8426 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    As someone who has used Perma-Grit tools their technique would be suitable as it will not effect the blade and is cleanable and long lasting. Why TH-cam led me here I have no idea but glad it did. Great work x

  • @imlon2
    @imlon2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I could see this being really useful with a chop saw. Once you cut the piece of wood you can push it against the blade/sandpaper for a quick second

  • @wihardy
    @wihardy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    This is how balsa wood is cut in the finishing process or at least it use to be. In one of my old model airplane magazine the whole process was laid out. Pretty cool stuff John, keep it up.

  • @jimlee4649
    @jimlee4649 4 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    The subtle look you give the camera when you realize it's probably going to actually work was great!

    • @timbohouston
      @timbohouston 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We're gonna be riiich

  • @falessan
    @falessan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One thing that I haven't seen talked about is the higher possibility of kickback. That would be my main concern with doing this, even before the work of replacing the paper.

  • @stevenbritow
    @stevenbritow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to thank you for making wood working videos. It is because of you and Steve Ramsey that I got in to wood working about five years ago. You made it simple and fun. You should know that your video content has changed my life and gave me a healthy hobby to enjoy with my sons. I have made lots of wood projects from full farm house tables to nick knacks.
    Thanks again.

  • @EcoMouseChannel
    @EcoMouseChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    This might make for a better "From the Factory" feature. As in, embedded diamond grit right on the blade surface. Let them manage the balancing and harmonics issues.

    • @avroarchitect1793
      @avroarchitect1793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Sounds really expensive

    • @alext9067
      @alext9067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@avroarchitect1793 Exactly, and factory-made is not usually as good as made-for-the-job. That whistling blade was factory-made. Better to have all the grits you like for the work you're doing and adjust everything to suit.

    • @N0ES
      @N0ES 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The cost of the blade will skyrocket, not worth it as you can just sand it after cutting.

    • @-a13x-75
      @-a13x-75 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      any from the factory abrasive finish would work well

    • @tjsolsberry1081
      @tjsolsberry1081 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I was just thinking the same idea. A diamond grit sprayed directly onto one side of the blade, along with making an entire set including different grits (100, 200, 400), would make for blades that would last a lifetime with proper maintenance. Expensive on the front end, but the time saved on each project pays itself off in the long-run.

  • @markrowland5393
    @markrowland5393 4 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    Nice to see you smiling again, John.

  • @kioti15
    @kioti15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I could for see the sand paper adding alot of friction, and causing a kickback or something.

    • @mrjakobt
      @mrjakobt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It‘s a horrible idea. With a sharp sawblade the surface would have been just as smooth.

    • @duroxkilo
      @duroxkilo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      the sand paper can tear and catch/grab the cutting piece.. quite scary..

    • @Riffmaker2704
      @Riffmaker2704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly what I thought. I did an apprenticeship as a joiner and holy shit, never do this. Sometimes small pieces got grabbed by the belt-sander and it smashed them through the whole room. Don't even wanna think about, what happens with a board or ledge at 4k rpm on a tablesaw

  • @IWRKOUT1
    @IWRKOUT1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for not making this into a 20 minute clip and dragging out the results in the most obnoxious way possible. Sweet and to the point - cheers.

  • @gswartzl
    @gswartzl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Hi John,
    That comment might have been from me, right after you had finished the tedious sanding on your wooden wall sculpture. I was surprised to see that you remembered it, and that you actually tried it. At the time of my comment, I think I mentioned that there used to be a company that made this product. They advertised the stick-on saw blade sandpaper in a small ad in the back of woodworking magazines, and appear to no longer be in business. I can only imagine that they got sued out of business after some kickback incident.
    I too am surprised that this works, and thanks for trying it out. (I didn't have the nerve to do so myself).
    Keep up the great videos!
    Gary

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would be difficult to make the sanding discs the right thickness, given that every blade has a different kerf. He had to carefully select a blade with the right kerf, to match the thickness of the sandpaper. It would not be lending to mass marketing.

    • @Wilson84KS
      @Wilson84KS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A very fine file structure worked into the blade would solve both problems, I think, thickness is always the same and as finer the structure, as less the chance of kickbacks. Or special sandpaper but sand on a very thin layer of double sides tape instead of paper.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Wilson84KS You can only go so thin, before the blade loses enough ridgidity to remain true during the cut. That can lead to poor cut quality, or worse, a catastrophic failure of the blade disc.(very dangerous!)

    • @macrumpton
      @macrumpton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vincentrobinette1507 At least we assume that it is a careful process. Without trying some unmatched components its hard to say.

  • @DuncanEdwards.
    @DuncanEdwards. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I did chuckle a little when you bent to the side when you started your table saw.
    It did seem as you were being very cautious cutting and that says a lot for you with your expansive experience

    • @mofosoto
      @mofosoto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      but he still gets the safety police all over his comment section talking like this is his first time using a power tool haha smh

  • @naughtypine
    @naughtypine 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    About 15 years ago at "the woodworking show) I purchased a product called "Final-Cut" it was a sandpaper attached to saw blades and came with an installer tool to center it onto the blade. I still have mine in a sealed package. I like your videos , keep it up.

  • @essencereaver7459
    @essencereaver7459 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    His editing skills, skips and such, are much better than the 90% of youtubers out there

  • @gavin5410
    @gavin5410 4 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    The next step is to glue on concentric rings of increasing grit sandpaper...

    • @just_a_guy_doing
      @just_a_guy_doing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I don't believe that would work. If 60 grit was on the outside ring, then you had 220 on the inside ring, the 60 grit would always be the start and finish grit when pushing the piece through the saw. Your idea works great till you hit the centerline of the saw blade, your process would be cut, 60 grit, then step upto 220 grit, from centerline out, the grits reverse, 220 stepping down to 60 grit then finishishing with the blade cut. Your idea would work in a linear manner only. Like a bandsaw

    • @liammurray9274
      @liammurray9274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@just_a_guy_doing just have 60 on the inside and 220 on the outside then, on the way to center there is wasteful sanding happening but as the wood goes past center it would be sanded with increasing grits and the last paper touching the wood would be a 220. I'm not saying this is a good idea but your argument left out the (obvious IMO) alternative option.

    • @liammurray9274
      @liammurray9274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also generally when talking about concentric rings we work from the center outwards so the original comment kind of implies lowest at the center and increasing grits outwards.

    • @aquacruisedb
      @aquacruisedb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@just_a_guy_doing Well pointed out. But what if each smoother grade of paper was very slightly thicker?? So you had 60 grit on the outside ring, then say 120 in the middle section, and finally 220 on the inside ring. BUT since each bit of paper is slightly more protruded as it gets to the center, on the way out the piece won't touch the rougher grits...

    • @aquacruisedb
      @aquacruisedb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@liammurray9274 What about keeping the original order (rough on the outside, smooth in the middle), but having the papers protrude out slightly more the smoother grit they become. That way, once past the center the piece won't touch the rougher papers again, could that work?

  • @jcmobilediagnostics8611
    @jcmobilediagnostics8611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I seen the thumbnail and thought “interesting!” Then I saw your blade wrench gizmo thing and thought how awesome it’d be to be able to purchase one.

    • @xw6968
      @xw6968 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      JC Mobile Diagnostics how fun that you can;)

    • @nyvn
      @nyvn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was my favorite part of the video.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm over here just wondering "Why don't you just use a crescent wrench like a normal person..."

  • @normanjacques4092
    @normanjacques4092 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a trim carpenter we would use this while cutting casings. When you have to fit a 45 tight together so your taking off a 1/2 a degree off the heal or toe just by running it along the chop saw blade while its in the downward possession... thanks for the short video. Your helping us all improve our abilities.

  • @yungpoopy5875
    @yungpoopy5875 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I’ve always wondered this literally since I was a little kid.

    • @kiwi9065
      @kiwi9065 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I wondered since i saw the title

    • @hay0099
      @hay0099 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kiwi9065 same lol

    • @senseisecurityschool9337
      @senseisecurityschool9337 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could have been years ahead of us and made this idea well known by now.
      Whatever else you've been wondering about for years, take 20 minutes to try it. :)

  • @bob_frazier
    @bob_frazier 4 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    Next video: How to Sharpen Scissors After Cutting Abrasives.

    • @nemo227
      @nemo227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      When I was a kid some people "sharpened" their scissors by cutting a sheet of fine grit sandpaper.

    • @Vassilika1
      @Vassilika1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@nemo227 that's how I do it since over 40 years ;-)

    • @jaxturner7288
      @jaxturner7288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      vass ilika what grit?

    • @justinthomas6337
      @justinthomas6337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      one of the best jigs I ever made for my shop was a sandpaper tearing jig - hacksaw blade screwed to a piece of plywood!

    • @Vassilika1
      @Vassilika1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jaxturner7288 100-120ish

  • @ericboyer5530
    @ericboyer5530 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is Acctually a practice used in the industrial setting on our huge saws that trim product coming down an automated assembly line there is a splitter blade that splits the product down the middle and the sandpaper puts a nice edge on the cut

    • @VaracolacidVesci
      @VaracolacidVesci 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha no there are good enough saw blades that leave smoother surfaces than sand paper

  • @crucialspectre7401
    @crucialspectre7401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    TH-cam: this is the video we recommend:
    Me: "hmm I wonder if you can do that"

  • @thatmcgamer3106
    @thatmcgamer3106 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time here and not a wood working experienced person, but that gear tightening thingy for the table saw is genius. Somehow I never thought about doing that.

  • @benchtopwoodworks
    @benchtopwoodworks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This goes on the list (if there is one) of "classic" John ideas. Very cool, and I'm glad you tried it. I'll bet it would increase kickback velocity to some gnarly speeds.
    I remember always planning (when using a "nice" shop under formal instruction) to add 1/16" to my rip widths and join them after to remove saw marks. I never do this anymore, mostly because I don't have a nice jointer.Quality/sharp blades give some great surface finish also...which im sure most know that.

  • @djfirestormx
    @djfirestormx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Me: Runs to take off my sawblade and looks for glue

    • @danielmcfarland-lawson6477
      @danielmcfarland-lawson6477 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      also you: is impaled by a 2x4 that got shot back at you because of the high friction caused by the sandpaper

  • @Ham68229
    @Ham68229 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1 blade that has PSA 320/400 on both sides. I don't use my TS as a sanding station, I use this method to help have a cleaner, smoother cut. It does work. Been doing this for 10+ yrs now. Cheers :)

  • @jeffbeck6501
    @jeffbeck6501 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw the thumbnail and had to come by and thumbs up just for the idea and creativity. Excellent. ...whether it works or not, I do not care. 5 stars for the idea and for making the video.

  • @SharpWorks
    @SharpWorks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’m loving the efficiency!

  • @nvrluki7608
    @nvrluki7608 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Having a high friction surface on a table saw seems like it will increase the risk of kickback as sandpaper rubs against the wood.

    • @bikerpunk64
      @bikerpunk64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was more worried about the board lifting. The paper pile up probably wouldn't cause a kickback if you have proper hand/push stick placement and pressure.

    • @dahrchan
      @dahrchan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My thoughts exactly, also no riving knife on his saw, let alone PPE. Interesting content isn't worthwhile if you're gonna demonstrate unsafe practices.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you should always expect kickback anyway

    • @Sunny-hc1bf
      @Sunny-hc1bf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was looking for this comment, this is quite a dangerous modification, it would increase the risk of kickback quite significantly.

    • @thirtyeight4558
      @thirtyeight4558 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dahrchan I completely agree! This was an idiotic and Reckless demo to show the masses.

  • @Bluuplanet
    @Bluuplanet 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 10" aluminum disk that I bought from Sears many years ago. It isn't perfectly flat. It is slightly coned on one side that you put sandpaper on. You mount sandpaper on the coned side and install it on a table saw with the coned side toward the fence and tilt the blade at 2 degrees toward the fence.
    Then push a board through between the fence and the disk and it gets sanded at the tangent to the cone, which is a vertical patch on the disk. It worked really well but I haven't seen them since.

  • @GaryMcKinnonUFO
    @GaryMcKinnonUFO 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool indeed, love these simple but clever ideas, like the guy that put a propeller on his CNC bit so it auto-blew the chips away. Thanks for sharing!

  • @hewiy33
    @hewiy33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I thought that as soon as the wood touches the paper it would have separated woah....

    • @darkshadowsx5949
      @darkshadowsx5949 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      i've seen people use paper as a cutting blade. i didnt expect for a second for the sand paper to just separate or shred off.

    • @GroteGlon
      @GroteGlon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@darkshadowsx5949 yeah. I've seen people cut plastic with standard a4 paper

    • @hockalover483
      @hockalover483 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GroteGlon bruh I saw a man cutting a tank in half with a butter knife.

  • @nrk9857
    @nrk9857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    when you _really_ want that good kickback to wake you up

    • @robinstewart6510
      @robinstewart6510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nonsense. It's the teeth that cause kickback, not the side of the blade (whatever it's condition). The grit on sandpaper is very minuscule compared to the size of those teeth.

    • @paytonwright1821
      @paytonwright1821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The sandpaper is grippy, which helps chuck wood at you

  • @gristlevonraben
    @gristlevonraben 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The regular swirls probably give glue something to cling to, but for edge sides, what a time saver! They could epoxy a thin diamond grit to the side of the blade and in a factory setting, save lots of time and money. Great video!

  • @larricus0292
    @larricus0292 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You sir are one of the most delightful people to watch work. Thanks for the fascinating video.

  • @notaregistereduser3446
    @notaregistereduser3446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Someone already makes this. Its called the final cut i think and rockler sells them

    • @stanleyshostak2737
      @stanleyshostak2737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hear it ends up burning the wood after the paper starts to wear down.

    • @jacobgomer
      @jacobgomer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      All sanders do that lol

  • @brett328
    @brett328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Pretty cool, my next question was if it affected the width of cut.

  • @johnwente1413
    @johnwente1413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy? Yet a very good result! That was SO cool. I don't own any precision equipment like you have, but if I did, I'd be trying this trick. :-)

  • @timbarrow4689
    @timbarrow4689 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Cut-N-Sand company out of Kima, Tx marketed this product back around 2002. I still have a few disc left in my shop. Worked great on harder woods.

  • @bonniebarber6114
    @bonniebarber6114 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You are nuts John! Love it 😎

  • @adamhelberg9228
    @adamhelberg9228 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Him:
    Sometimes my genius, it's almost frightening.

  • @freqenc
    @freqenc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Through the generations you'd think that we would have invented every hack in woodworking. People still amaze me. Nice lil hack. Thank you for sharing.

  • @Foogayzee
    @Foogayzee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot stress how much I appreciate toning down the noise of the machines.

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    No way!
    Super impressive, but scary as hell. Got my head spinning with ideas of how an actual product that works this way could actually happen.
    I wonder if there'd be a way to like, fuse carbide grains onto the side of the blade.... Still, incredibly scary if there was a kickback... or... possibly not? Maybe instead of binding up it would just grind down any places that got stuck. Who knows? Very cool experiment!

    • @TheE9climber
      @TheE9climber 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BRUXXUS there exist diamond saw blades, I guess that‘s quite close to the idea. You achieve a very fine cut and the blade is quite silent as well.

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheE9climber Hmm, that's true.
      I suppose the real reason this isn't really a thing is that the grit would quickly get all clogged up with wood.

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Such a product already exists for at least 12 years.
      Called "Final Cut"

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jehty_ Oh cool. Although, it looks like what's in this video. A saw blade with sandpaper glued on.

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You also don't want to grit to get loose and dull the teeth

  • @snowblood82
    @snowblood82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would've been interested to see how this held up after a couple of projects.

  • @jawadisaal
    @jawadisaal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching the video and your way of working, supported by a good workplace and complete and very complete pliers, thank you for sharing, greetings from Indonesia.

  • @jason_a7420
    @jason_a7420 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice balance of commentary and actual video, professional and interesting. I never got bored of the way you came across, which is sometimes difficult to come across on these DIY channels! You earned a sub from me my friend, keep up the great work!

  • @ShardtheWolf
    @ShardtheWolf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Alright, so exactly prior to watching the video, my hypothesis is that this is incredibly dangerous. It seems to me like the friction of the sandpaper could grab the board and fling it, similar to when a board binds on the blade.

    • @jadedelite
      @jadedelite 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This. If not fling it, more likely to lift it.... then the teeth will grab it and fling it (yanking your hand into the saw in the process).

  • @WinnyD1
    @WinnyD1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    now i'll have to explain to my boss why i lost 1h this morning on the tablesaw.

  • @nealwalden3543
    @nealwalden3543 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello John: Have you seen/heard of the Edge Tech II sanding disc? Basically a 10" diameter alum disk with a 2 degree "dome" in section. You install on your arbor and set the arbor to 2 degrees. Now the sanding face and your table saw bed are at 90 degrees, yet the sanding area contact zone is fairly small when passing through rips or edges needing sanding. Works awfully well. I think now sold via Wurth Group (Louis & Company). Pretty clever idea.... I don't use it often but when needed it does the job.

  • @AstonJay
    @AstonJay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This will be really practical for basic stuff like cutting posts or support structures that only require a specific size, that can then be treated / painted directly after cutting.

  • @TheShinham
    @TheShinham 4 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    This sounds like a recipe for kickback lol

    • @eduardojahnke8970
      @eduardojahnke8970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That worries me A LOT!

    • @physicsguybrian
      @physicsguybrian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@eduardojahnke8970 Provided the blade is raised high enough relative to the material thickness, the sandpaper engaging with the material will impart downward force onto the material making it harder for kickback to throw it backward. Of course, if the sandpaper breaks free, then it could grab the material at any point, cause binding, and then HELLLOOO kickback or other TBD of the kind that may involve stitches or an eye patch.

    • @rowey1992
      @rowey1992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      particularly since John does not have a riving knife on his saw.

    • @pinballrobbie
      @pinballrobbie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rowey1992 and uses a crosscut saw to rip with!

    • @lakesideaudio
      @lakesideaudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I couldn’t believe what I was seeing after recently watching videos on kickback. He must be mad

  • @MrArcher0
    @MrArcher0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For those that don’t know there is a VERY good reason for there being a “ kerf “ on a saw blade. The extra room between the actual blade surface and the actual cutting edge of the teeth is to help to prevent binding of the wood between the blade and the fence, reduces drag, and also to help prevent kickbacks.

    • @alfredneumann4692
      @alfredneumann4692 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      John has no kickbacks. What an idea......... :-)

  • @AinK-kc3jl
    @AinK-kc3jl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never had this question come up in my life but now I know that sanding and cutting at the same time could work

  • @tank8285
    @tank8285 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:00 that tool to remove the blade nut is genius! This is the 1st video of yours I've seen. I'm impressed.

  • @_P0tat07_
    @_P0tat07_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    That’s crazy. 😂 I’m actually surprised there wasn’t any burning of the wood from the sandpaper.

    • @calinguga
      @calinguga 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      what sandpaper are you using that burns wood

    • @Luke-yx5ve
      @Luke-yx5ve 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@calinguga burning wood with sandpaper is a very common problem, if u go too aggressive with your work on the disc sander it'll leave burn marks, and also table saws often leave burn marks anyway

    • @eliadbu
      @eliadbu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Archie Bunker to have burning mark you need to apply enough pressure so the friction would increase. Because the saw teeth are about the diemeter of the saw body with the sandpaper on, the pressure must be minimal.

    • @calinguga
      @calinguga ปีที่แล้ว

      @Luke in my experience low grit fresh sandpaper has virtually no chance of burning, it only burns when it's not removing material and only rubbing, like high grit clogged sandpaper, which is not the norm to be expected, hence my snappy remark

  • @nickpelov
    @nickpelov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    - "I have this idea of sticking sandpaper to the saw blade so it can sand while cutting but I'm affraid that it'll grab the wood and punch a hole in my throat with it. Can you try it instead so I can use it when I see nothing wrong happens"?
    - "Tested, works perfectly"
    - "Thanks, I was a bit worried..."

    • @mat-bh
      @mat-bh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe u can use a strong glue. But quickly change the sand paper at a minimum sign of damage on it

    • @jeffcarroll6553
      @jeffcarroll6553 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everything works at least once, or doesn't
      He is irresponsible even posting this
      What's he going to do next, glue it to his bandsaw?

  • @sumaznkid
    @sumaznkid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just want to say... great camera work. Angles and transitions are awesome. Secondly... that wood tool with gears to remove and thread on the saw tightening nut is genius!

  • @justindtackett
    @justindtackett 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow I love all the little stuff you have in your shop to make woodworking more efficient and safer. The HAULT fixture over the stop button would be a must have! Often times you need to stop quickly to avoid a potentially dangerous outcome.

  • @robertgibson6889
    @robertgibson6889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Goes against having a nice waxed table top and fence so that your wood glides through smoothly and quickly. Next video: "putting square wheels on your car to mix your paint cans on the way home"

  • @beardboss20
    @beardboss20 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Before watching: This is a bad idea
    After watching: This is a bad idea i want to try!

    • @altonmoreaux330
      @altonmoreaux330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LOL. Ben, that sounds like - My Buddy "You're not gonna..." Me, "hold my beer and watch this." when we're out muddin' in our trucks.

  • @dirteemartini_art
    @dirteemartini_art 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    blew my mind twice with one vid, subed! gear paddle for changing the nut on the table saw?!?!?! to legit and plus the double power of sant and cutting, my man you rock

  • @twizzboyszyt7691
    @twizzboyszyt7691 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only watched this vid and i love this guy already. Is it just me or is it chill to listen to him

  • @clydedecker765
    @clydedecker765 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "Sometimes I surprise myself..."🤣🤣 Do that every morning as I walk by the mirror...🤣

    • @carloduroni5629
      @carloduroni5629 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's why I rarely look into the mirror. And when I do, the first thought is "Who's this 60-old fat guy? I remember I was a handsome 30yo just yesterday evening."

  • @WheredMyPiggyGo
    @WheredMyPiggyGo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is the guy who's wife asks him what his thinking and upon answering instantly regrets asking.

  • @W1ldt1m
    @W1ldt1m 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a sanding disc for my radial arm saw it was a OEM add on in the sixties from Sears. They also sold round sand paper specifically for you to glue to it.

  • @biggestnoob4704
    @biggestnoob4704 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw your sandpaper sawblade on the thumbnail was interesting. Seeing your wood-gear safety ratchet sold me.

  • @CitizenAyellowblue
    @CitizenAyellowblue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Next, the waxing and buffing attachments. 😂

    • @kamrankambang7953
      @kamrankambang7953 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dude i want the assembly attachment. I hate that i need to do all those thing after cutting the wood. I wish it would just come out already a cabinet

    • @TikeMyson69
      @TikeMyson69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It needs a sales dept attachment too.

  • @atrax27OT
    @atrax27OT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Is noone going to talk about the newly added risk of kickback and injury associated?

    • @tamish3551
      @tamish3551 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just commented that XD

    • @OrigamiMaster06
      @OrigamiMaster06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, I know! He has significantly increased the risk of kickback. It's a terrible idea!

    • @DasosBeats
      @DasosBeats 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're totally right! It's really dangerous

  • @brannonhudson6868
    @brannonhudson6868 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely trick for getting a better edge and corner finish! I’d be concerned for kickback with a grabby grit on the paper, for those unaware of it.

  • @squidlings
    @squidlings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most you tubers would have stretched this video to 30 minutes. This was amazing. With great results

  • @jakester1390
    @jakester1390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Well, now you have to try it with your miter saw. Or hell, even your band saw.

    • @jamesbrooks2132
      @jamesbrooks2132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      John, if you take the time to adhere sandpaper to the entirety of your bandsaw blade to try it out I promise to become a patreon. 😆😆

    • @danielmcdonald6148
      @danielmcdonald6148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bye bye bandsaw guide blocks 🤣

    • @funnahguy
      @funnahguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have made a fair share of angry wasps before... this could make a swarm if not using a hold down

  • @ViperBE
    @ViperBE 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Welcome to another episode of TH-cam Corona Recommendations!

  • @gailpengelly8581
    @gailpengelly8581 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolute bloody GENIUS...UTTER BRILLIANCE. cheers dude from across the pond. Plymouth Devon 🇬🇧 Gail.x

  • @lforlight
    @lforlight 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the first video I saw of this guy, and I like his joyous voice. He appears to be a very vanilla guy who decided to try that TH-cam thing people kept bugging him about, and found this silly engagement with the audience without expecting it... and he loves what it brings to his table.

  • @ahikernamedgq
    @ahikernamedgq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    You know, when I use a fine finish blade on my table saw, the finish it leaves is better than almost any finish I've gotten sanding; even on end grain.

    • @markbeiser
      @markbeiser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, my 48 tooth Ridge Carbide blade damn near leaves a polished edge.
      A quality blade on a properly aligned saw saves a lot of work.

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same with my Japanese saw!

    • @moconnell663
      @moconnell663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have the same result with a finishing blade in my miter saw, smooth and even cuts, no sanding needed.

    • @maclayyc
      @maclayyc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most turners will agree that a clean and precise cut is far smoother than even the finest grit

  • @shredfast4819
    @shredfast4819 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I don't know about you guys but someone here is gonna become a billionaire real soon with this invention....

    • @OrigamiMaster06
      @OrigamiMaster06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's actually a really bad idea. This saw blade heavily increases kickback.

    • @VaracolacidVesci
      @VaracolacidVesci 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but it will require a lot of people like you that lacks every bit of knowledge power tool related to have buyers

  • @Scrimblo.net_
    @Scrimblo.net_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The sandpaper idea is neat but the tool you made to take the nut of the blade is amazing

  • @jacoconradie8139
    @jacoconradie8139 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just love your mischievous laugh whilst doing this! This was the first vid i watched of you but I subscribed!

  • @19nd88
    @19nd88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    that looks like an perfect kickback-machine. but hey, it could be the american dream

    • @usmccampbell23
      @usmccampbell23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No kidding!!!

    • @cakeofthepan2233
      @cakeofthepan2233 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The American dream?..you guys are dulling your saw blades on a burnt bit of twisted timber at the moment..I sincerely wish you the best of luck

  • @MeepMeep88
    @MeepMeep88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you cut while glueing the wood at the same time?
    How about paint while cutting?

  • @jms415
    @jms415 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kudos for trying it. I would have thought about it for 10 more years before actually just seeing what happens.... :)

  • @docghines
    @docghines 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got a blade and sanding disc from a company maybe 10 years ago that did exactly this. I found it to cut a nice, smoothe, cut on melamine.

  • @gs-mt8zd
    @gs-mt8zd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As Arte Johnson would say..."verrry interesting"

    • @ahvavee
      @ahvavee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But not shtupid

  • @blacklabelcarpentry
    @blacklabelcarpentry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    On the next episode, John finds a way to apply glue while cutting too! hahaha

    • @carloduroni5629
      @carloduroni5629 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That starts a series at the end of which John puts a lumber to the tablesaw and out it comes a finished cabinet or a bed (depending on the angle set of the blade).

    • @Sillyturner
      @Sillyturner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t laugh. There are industrial operations out there now where wood comes directly of a moulder or inline saw directly into a glue applicator and on into s pressing station.

  • @gumbykevbo
    @gumbykevbo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was not at all surprised the glue held up. I inherited from my dad a 8" table saw, and a sanding disk that goes with it. One side is about three degrees conic, and if using that side, you tilt the arbor so that the cone section is vertical above the arbor, which allows the work to infeed without snagging at the edge. Anyway, the sandpaper is just held on by contact adhesive. I still have a few factory made sandpaper disks for it, so haven't had to resort to cutting my own yet. That looks like a good job for a laser cutter to avoid dulling a knife or scissors.

  • @DMM-cv5fh
    @DMM-cv5fh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wa skeptical, figured that it would either burn the wood, bog down the blade, fly off, etc. Then I thought why do you need this if you have a sharp blade? But I was only thinking of cross cuts, not rips. When it comes to ripping, I’ll be doing this sandpaper trick next time! Excellent idea!