Thanks for all of the detailed videos about the different aspects of A2 operation. I am in awe that Brunswick engineers were able to design such an intricate pinsetter system in the early 1960s, WITHOUT COMPUTERS OR CAD, just by using slide-rules for calculation and paper, pencil, and straight-edged rulers for drawing! It is a true tribute to human ingenuity.
You get it don’t you ! I’m amazed in the days of no computers they created a machine that can think on its own. There no computer telling it to do a standing pins cycle, or he just got a strike - set new pins. Or stop the machine for an out of range. There are so many linkages and levers that all work like an orchestra with one special function. It’s a lot when they weren’t running just right to know exactly what to adjust or what’s worn out. But kudos to them bank in the day for what they created.
@@GarageBowlingAlley First saw both the AMF 82-30s and the A2s from "behind the scenes" when I was about 5-8 years old. I was fascinated by the orchestrated movements of both pinsetters - I could've watched them for hours! Even though the AMF and Brunswick setters were different, they were both efficient in their own way...and this ability to engineer such wonderful devices is slowly slipping away...thanks to computers.
Thank you so much for the training videos of different operations of the Brunswick pinsetter. I used to work at a bowling center and I climbed around in the A2 Brunswick pinsetters.
By a long shot ! This couldn’t be developed by today’s crop of geniuses. No offense modern day geniuses! But today they’d just program a computer to do everything. Back then it was all mechanical. Mechanics that could think and have the Pinsetter do different things depending on the situation it encountered.
@@GarageBowlingAlley they were very complex and hard to get in and around. The center I worked in had three different serial numbers of "a" machines from late '50s early 60s and late 60s. I also replaced bowling lanes from one house to ours.
That's really cool! Now I wonder, do you have the training tape for the A2? I've been searching everywhere but can't find it, and you seem like someone who might have it :)
I don’t but I do have astroline scoring manuals from the 70s I love collecting and finding anything ok’d bowling but NO training videos. That would be fun to watch. I can do more in depth videos if there’s anything you want to see. I haven’t worked on them in years but did for a brief time earlier on. I love the machine and want others to appreciate the sheer complexity and marvel of what Brunswick created so many years ago. It’s a fascinating piece of orchestrated machinery !
@@GarageBowlingAlley Alright, thanks anyways! I’ll try to get in contact with some centres using the A2 if they have the video. Yeah these machines truly are a piece of art!
Nice!!! I would very seriously recommend, though, that you never reach into the deck area, for any reason, without first shutting the machine down. One false move and that pinsetter can do you serious harm.
Also if there’s a Deck Jam, be very cautious on that by unplugging the power first and be sure don’t screw up the Deck while clearing out just like on my “AMF 82-90 XL Pinspotter Fail (Mechanic Mishap) - Table Drop” video where a mechanic drops the Table while cranking down the table clearing out a Table Jam during our League.
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 I had that happen to me on a 82-70 long ago when I used to work at a bowling alley. The machine had a table jam and I had to crank the table down well it wasn't going down till what ever was holding it let go and bam the table hit the lane. I was glad there was no standing pins or I would have had broken pin cups. Did not break anything. Cleared the jam and it was back up and running.
I worked a 34 lane center and we knew which lanes that the out-of-range lever didn't properly function and would just sweep and set 10 new pins. Open play was not a issue but the league bowlers were picky.
I was going to but I was afraid of causing damage to the paint on the Deckshield. Maybe if I read on it with it laying on a curved surface I could flatten it out done. I was just afraid of damaging it
@@GarageBowlingAlley That dent is actually by design. This is a very early A model deck shield. Brunswick later cut a "V" to clear the turret instead of this indentation.
Depends what needs to be adjusted or what it’s not doing right. There’s a lot of different ways to attack it. Please give me more info and I’ll try to explain it. Thanks for watching and commenting !
nice...the only thing you didn't describe is how the detector works at 270 degrees. it is at 270 that determines whether the machine goes into second ball or remains at first ball. if the deck is either at standing pins height or locked on the deck holding hook at 270, the machine changes to second ball but when the deck is at 1 inch (setting pins) it will remain in first ball...no matter what, the machine changes back to first ball at 180.
With a foul it would have a plunger connected to a link on the detector too and when you fouled it would put the machine in second ball cycle. Set new pins then cycle again to put the machine second ball again.
If you go to the “how does the 1/2 ball light work” about 7 seconds in look for the big white gear. To the left portion is a little 2 arm mechanism piece sticking up. If you push that forward toward the masking unit the Pinsetter goes into second ball from first. The foul mechanism would attach to that.
Really cool, but what tells it there is a pin in a position vs the deck going all the way down even though a pin is present in lets say the 3 position.
It doesn’t know pin for pin which is up but there’s another video on the pinfinders to show how they work. They work independently of the detector. The detector only can detect standing pins, no pins or out of range pin and tells the detector then it does one of 3 cycles. Standing pins it does a repeat short stroke and operates the scissors putting the machine in 2nd ball. Strike it finishes the short stroke then tells the detector NOT to operate the scissors then does a long stroke and the detector tells the moving deck to operate and set new pins and stay on first ball.
How are standing pins (after 1st ball) detected if not out of range ? An out of range is easy to see, however how a standing pin (in range) is detected was not made clear. Obviously the rack is being stopped by the pins someplace because they are not present in a strike situation
Thanks for all of the detailed videos about the different aspects of A2 operation. I am in awe that Brunswick engineers were able to design such an intricate pinsetter system in the early 1960s, WITHOUT COMPUTERS OR CAD, just by using slide-rules for calculation and paper, pencil, and straight-edged rulers for drawing! It is a true tribute to human ingenuity.
You get it don’t you ! I’m amazed in the days of no computers they created a machine that can think on its own. There no computer telling it to do a standing pins cycle, or he just got a strike - set new pins. Or stop the machine for an out of range. There are so many linkages and levers that all work like an orchestra with one special function. It’s a lot when they weren’t running just right to know exactly what to adjust or what’s worn out. But kudos to them bank in the day for what they created.
@@GarageBowlingAlley First saw both the AMF 82-30s and the A2s from "behind the scenes" when I was about 5-8 years old. I was fascinated by the orchestrated movements of both pinsetters - I could've watched them for hours! Even though the AMF and Brunswick setters were different, they were both efficient in their own way...and this ability to engineer such wonderful devices is slowly slipping away...thanks to computers.
Older than that. The draftsmen had to be at it in the late 40's.
Thank you so much for the training videos of different operations of the Brunswick pinsetter. I used to work at a bowling center and I climbed around in the A2 Brunswick pinsetters.
You’re very welcome. Glad people take the time to watch and appreciate the Brunswick Pinsetter. I’m always taking suggestions too.
Good job Robert, I like your channel. Keep them coming. People back in the 50's were much smarter than the people today in my opinion.
By a long shot ! This couldn’t be developed by today’s crop of geniuses. No offense modern day geniuses! But today they’d just program a computer to do everything. Back then it was all mechanical. Mechanics that could think and have the Pinsetter do different things depending on the situation it encountered.
I was a pinsetter mechanic for over 25 years retired from a bowling center after 42 years.. nice
It is definitely fun working on the machines!
@@GarageBowlingAlley they were very complex and hard to get in and around. The center I worked in had three different serial numbers of "a" machines from late '50s early 60s and late 60s. I also replaced bowling lanes from one house to ours.
A brunswick a pinsetter would be a really nice project for me and my dad.
Agreed! If you have room and 220v It’s an amazing machine !
Hope you and Aron will try the team bowling it is fun. Thanks for the videos you have shared so far. Very interesting and educating!
I’ll set that up in a couple days once I get the bugs worked out of the cameras and audio. Thanks for the suggestion !
Nice explanation ✨
Thank you ! I’m no expert but tried to get the point across
That's really cool! Now I wonder, do you have the training tape for the A2? I've been searching everywhere but can't find it, and you seem like someone who might have it :)
I don’t but I do have astroline scoring manuals from the 70s I love collecting and finding anything ok’d bowling but NO training videos. That would be fun to watch. I can do more in depth videos if there’s anything you want to see. I haven’t worked on them in years but did for a brief time earlier on. I love the machine and want others to appreciate the sheer complexity and marvel of what Brunswick created so many years ago. It’s a fascinating piece of orchestrated machinery !
@@GarageBowlingAlley Alright, thanks anyways! I’ll try to get in contact with some centres using the A2 if they have the video. Yeah these machines truly are a piece of art!
There's not a lot of difference between A's and a2s other than the tripping system and pit cushions. They do cycle a little faster
So cool. I would love it if it were possible to 3D print this machine as a tabletop model.
That would be interesting !
Nice!!! I would very seriously recommend, though, that you never reach into the deck area, for any reason, without first shutting the machine down. One false move and that pinsetter can do you serious harm.
You got me ! That was a big no no on my part.
Also if there’s a Deck Jam, be very cautious on that by unplugging the power first and be sure don’t screw up the Deck while clearing out just like on my “AMF 82-90 XL Pinspotter Fail (Mechanic Mishap) - Table Drop” video where a mechanic drops the Table while cranking down the table clearing out a Table Jam during our League.
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 I had that happen to me on a 82-70 long ago when I used to work at a bowling alley. The machine had a table jam and I had to crank the table down well it wasn't going down till what ever was holding it let go and bam the table hit the lane. I was glad there was no standing pins or I would have had broken pin cups. Did not break anything. Cleared the jam and it was back up and running.
Your welcome. Hope you enjoy team bowling!
I worked a 34 lane center and we knew which lanes that the out-of-range lever didn't properly function and would just sweep and set 10 new pins. Open play was not a issue but the league bowlers were picky.
hate to be a problem, but are you going to pop out that dent in the deck shield?
I was going to but I was afraid of causing damage to the paint on the Deckshield. Maybe if I read on it with it laying on a curved surface I could flatten it out done. I was just afraid of damaging it
I still need to fix that dent!
@@GarageBowlingAlley That dent is actually by design. This is a very early A model deck shield. Brunswick later cut a "V" to clear the turret instead of this indentation.
I base this on images I've seen of early Brunswick pinsetters.
Sir pls tell me how to adjust sweeper
Depends what needs to be adjusted or what it’s not doing right. There’s a lot of different ways to attack it. Please give me more info and I’ll try to explain it. Thanks for watching and commenting !
nice...the only thing you didn't describe is how the detector works at 270 degrees. it is at 270 that determines whether the machine goes into second ball or remains at first ball. if the deck is either at standing pins height or locked on the deck holding hook at 270, the machine changes to second ball but when the deck is at 1 inch (setting pins) it will remain in first ball...no matter what, the machine changes back to first ball at 180.
How would a foul cycle work, if there is one?
With a foul it would have a plunger connected to a link on the detector too and when you fouled it would put the machine in second ball cycle. Set new pins then cycle again to put the machine second ball again.
If you go to the “how does the 1/2 ball light work” about 7 seconds in look for the big white gear. To the left portion is a little 2 arm mechanism piece sticking up. If you push that forward toward the masking unit the Pinsetter goes into second ball from first. The foul mechanism would attach to that.
Really cool, but what tells it there is a pin in a position vs the deck going all the way down even though a pin is present in lets say the 3 position.
It doesn’t know pin for pin which is up but there’s another video on the pinfinders to show how they work. They work independently of the detector. The detector only can detect standing pins, no pins or out of range pin and tells the detector then it does one of 3 cycles. Standing pins it does a repeat short stroke and operates the scissors putting the machine in 2nd ball. Strike it finishes the short stroke then tells the detector NOT to operate the scissors then does a long stroke and the detector tells the moving deck to operate and set new pins and stay on first ball.
How are standing pins (after 1st ball) detected if not out of range ?
An out of range is easy to see, however how a standing pin (in range) is detected was not made clear. Obviously the rack is being stopped by the pins someplace because they are not present in a strike situation
I just added that to our video request list! ~Aaron