I’m so glad I found this. I often think why do people not talk about her music it’s always about her controversy etc. she is so under appreciated as a writer thank you I’ll be checking out the book
Love this interview!! Wholeheartedly agree that those of us who were teenage fans of those first albums have a deep connection and undying loyalty to this woman who seemed to understand us so well as we matured. I was turning 18 and leaving home with Like a Prayer. About 20 and thought myself very sophisticated (ha!) with Erotica (we ALL thought Bad Girl was about us!) Then approaching and turning 30 during the trifecta of RoL, Music and American Life. "She wants her songs to be the listener's song, not her own" hit me so hard because it's exactly what I've felt my whole life.
@@popthehistorymakers there were gilrs bands in the 80's - Arabesque and A La Carte . I don't know if you know them, they were mainly known in Europe and Asia. If you're ever interested to take interviews with some members of these bands - please, just give a sign. I could help with it since we have been collaborating with them... Best regards and please, keep going strong!
We are all in agreement that Erotica was a masterpiece and criminally underrated. 100% her best album, though really, every album after it up to Confessions was also a classic. Still waiting for a new studio album. Seems to me this is the perfect time for her to write some music, considering the world is falling apart.
Madonna never, for me, sounded better than she did in True Blue. I love when she belts the high notes in Papa Don't Preach, for instance--her voice was raw, and she means it in the song! The post-Evita Madonna is fine, but too controlled and at points elocutionary for my tastes. I still love her, but I loved the raw Madonna who lacked the self-consciousness that trammelled her post-Evita.
@@jeffkoons001 I get what you’re saying there and agree with the elocutionary style she had with Evita though for me it obviously fitted the musical theatre of those songs. And I loved that. I also think it’s interesting what Niki and Donna said in their interview on the channel about getting her to love just singing all the time. That changed her voice through those years, and I’m not sure that without an evolution she would have maintained success. I like a lot of different eras of Madonna, and again for me it’s about the combination of all that goes into the songs, not just voice, but also lyrics in Ray of Light, Performance, Music and her voice which fits and often leads those changes. But great comment.
@@popthehistorymakers I think that vocal style definitely works for many songs -- and yes, her evolution is reflected in the vocals. But there are times in the post-Evita era where I could feel her trying to 'do it correctly' where she needed to let go. I loved the Donna and Niki interview BTW, you did a great job on that. Cheers, wonderful channel.
The secret: She gets introduced to new material, changes a few words, pays people so she can ad/attach her name to the song credits - if necessary! There is nothing wrong with that as long as she can create a balanced/nuanced concept (American Life, Confessions and Ray Of Light ). But she hasn't done that since Confessions! Fortunately all true Madonna fans recognize her writing style and recognize a Madonna song lyrically & melodically immediately! I assume she hasn't written a full song in ages! Not because she can't. Most probably nobody respects her enough to spend time sit with her through a writing session (as Patrick, Steven and William did) Times have changed. People send stems and files back and forth. They rather work remote and be free to work on many different projects at the same time instead of spending their time traveling to Madonna to sit around in a studio! Best example: Kanye West! Her bridge structure/B section is completely gone or set up the entire song to fail, overall the songs are emotionally detached and empty, the dance songs have become lyrically reductive and repetitive (since after Confessions) the different sections within the song are detached from eachother and can be interchanged randomly (a structure that they have invented for Rihanna) Last true "Madonna song" was probably the Ghosttown's verses. And in that song the cold and generic EDM production ruins the entire idea. It is desperately chorus/hit focused and the mid section is a complete fail. The mid range used to be the most emotional/memorable part of her voice and she rarely uses that side of her voice. Tragic to see that many young(er) songwriters write better Madonna songs than Madonna herself! Byeh
@@firouz256 Madame X had some great experimental tracks that showed she still has good instincts and is constantly pushing the boundaries of what a song can be. It’s not as cohesive and solid as the Erotica to Confessions era, true, but it was miles ahead of MDNA and Rebel Heart. And yes, Ghosttown is a genius level track that should have gotten way more airplay.
I’m so glad I found this. I often think why do people not talk about her music it’s always about her controversy etc. she is so under appreciated as a writer thank you I’ll be checking out the book
@@scottsaunders5087 great! Thx for the comment!
The Queen of Pop
Great interview, can’t wait to read the book
Great interview and looking forward to getting this book.
Love this interview!!
Wholeheartedly agree that those of us who were teenage fans of those first albums have a deep connection and undying loyalty to this woman who seemed to understand us so well as we matured.
I was turning 18 and leaving home with Like a Prayer. About 20 and thought myself very sophisticated (ha!) with Erotica (we ALL thought Bad Girl was about us!)
Then approaching and turning 30 during the trifecta of RoL, Music and American Life.
"She wants her songs to be the listener's song, not her own" hit me so hard because it's exactly what I've felt my whole life.
@@todddepue681 wonderful!
I'm a recent subscriber to this channel. Thank you, Steve, for another interesting interview 🎉❤ love and support ❤
@@YourDisco80NeedsYounew thx. Good to hear. Always looking for an interest subject and, of course, a positive angle on Madonna is welcome! 🙏 😘
@@popthehistorymakers there were gilrs bands in the 80's - Arabesque and A La Carte . I don't know if you know them, they were mainly known in Europe and Asia. If you're ever interested to take interviews with some members of these bands - please, just give a sign. I could help with it since we have been collaborating with them... Best regards and please, keep going strong!
@ I’d love to interview Sandra or/and Michael Cretu
@@popthehistorymakers sorry, can't help, these are two we are not working with....
We are all in agreement that Erotica was a masterpiece and criminally underrated. 100% her best album, though really, every album after it up to Confessions was also a classic. Still waiting for a new studio album. Seems to me this is the perfect time for her to write some music, considering the world is falling apart.
Madonna never, for me, sounded better than she did in True Blue. I love when she belts the high notes in Papa Don't Preach, for instance--her voice was raw, and she means it in the song! The post-Evita Madonna is fine, but too controlled and at points elocutionary for my tastes. I still love her, but I loved the raw Madonna who lacked the self-consciousness that trammelled her post-Evita.
@@jeffkoons001 I get what you’re saying there and agree with the elocutionary style she had with Evita though for me it obviously fitted the musical theatre of those songs. And I loved that. I also think it’s interesting what Niki and Donna said in their interview on the channel about getting her to love just singing all the time. That changed her voice through those years, and I’m not sure that without an evolution she would have maintained success. I like a lot of different eras of Madonna, and again for me it’s about the combination of all that goes into the songs, not just voice, but also lyrics in Ray of Light, Performance, Music and her voice which fits and often leads those changes. But great comment.
@@popthehistorymakers I think that vocal style definitely works for many songs -- and yes, her evolution is reflected in the vocals. But there are times in the post-Evita era where I could feel her trying to 'do it correctly' where she needed to let go. I loved the Donna and Niki interview BTW, you did a great job on that. Cheers, wonderful channel.
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@@MO-ir7bt 😘
79 euros for the book?? Come on!
It’s almost 800 pages
The secret: She gets introduced to new material, changes a few words, pays people so she can ad/attach her name to the song credits - if necessary!
There is nothing wrong with that as long as she can create a balanced/nuanced concept (American Life, Confessions and Ray Of Light ).
But she hasn't done that since Confessions!
Fortunately all true Madonna fans recognize her writing style and recognize a Madonna song lyrically & melodically immediately!
I assume she hasn't written a full song in ages!
Not because she can't.
Most probably nobody respects her enough to spend time sit with her through a writing session (as Patrick, Steven and William did)
Times have changed. People send stems and files back and forth. They rather work remote and be free to work on many different projects at the same time instead of spending their time traveling to Madonna to sit around in a studio! Best example: Kanye West!
Her bridge structure/B section is completely gone or set up the entire song to fail,
overall the songs are emotionally detached and empty,
the dance songs have become lyrically reductive and repetitive (since after Confessions)
the different sections within the song are detached from eachother and can be interchanged randomly (a structure that they have invented for Rihanna)
Last true "Madonna song" was probably the Ghosttown's verses.
And in that song the cold and generic EDM production ruins the entire idea.
It is desperately chorus/hit focused and the mid section is a complete fail.
The mid range used to be the most emotional/memorable part of her voice and she rarely uses that side of her voice.
Tragic to see that many young(er) songwriters write better Madonna songs than Madonna herself!
Byeh
@@firouz256 Madame X had some great experimental tracks that showed she still has good instincts and is constantly pushing the boundaries of what a song can be. It’s not as cohesive and solid as the Erotica to Confessions era, true, but it was miles ahead of MDNA and Rebel Heart. And yes, Ghosttown is a genius level track that should have gotten way more airplay.
You write a lot for someone that is so wrong and seems to know so little about the subject.
@@diegolcl
I know things you have to google. Get lost before I read you to filth!
Thank you!