This Is Why Your Pilot Needs Practice! | Indigo Flight 237
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Play War Thunder now for free with my link: playwt.link/maci and get a massive bonus pack including vehicles, boosters and more!
War Thunder is a highly detailed vehicle combat game containing over 2000 playable tanks, aircraft, and ships spanning over 100 years of development. Immerse yourself completely in dynamic battles with an unparalleled combination of realism and approachability.
This is the story of indigo flight 237. On the 27th of february 206 an indigo airbus a320 was on its way from ahmedabad to jaipur in india. Indigo is the country's largest airline with a large fleet of airbus A320s. The plane was supposed to leave ahmedabad at 4:10 pm but it left 10 minutes ahead of time at 4:00 pm. This was a short flight and by 4:32 pm the plane was in contact with jaipur approach getting closer to the airport. The first officer was the one that was in control of the plane while the captain kept watch over what the first officer was doing an he was monitoring the instruments. The controllers on the ground vectored the plane to a waypoint JJP via a waypoint named BUBNU, they were told to expect an ILS approach to runway 27 as the crew acknowledged they started the descent down to 11000 feet. As the plane dropped towards jaipur the pilots briefed on the approach that theyd take down to the runway. I imagine they talked about the usual stuff like runway conditions wind, go around procedures that sort of thing. It didnt look like they would need to go around tho, the weather was good, the winds were calm and they had a ton of visibility. Unless something went catastrophically wrong they would not need to go around. Since the weather was so good the controllers asked the pilots of flight 237 if thyed like to opt for a visual approach instead of the ILS approach that they have been assigned. Since the weather was so good they agreed. A visual approach is not hard if you have weather is good you just keep the runway in sight and take the plane in all the way. If at any point you lose sight of the runway you just go around. As the pilots took the plane even lower to 3600 feet the pilots reported that they had the runway in sight. Perfect this would be a walk in the park. At this point they were flying along the airport and they had not lined up with the runway yet. So they had to report to the controllers when they were on the left base leg. Which would be right about here. At that point they would be transferred from approach control to tower control who would take them all the way in. The plane was in the left downwind pattern and the pilots were slowly starting to bring the flaps in and starting to configure the plane for landing. Then the plane started to turn to the left to line up with the airport and the gear was dropped.
As this turn was being made the autopilot was disabled which meant that the pilots were now flying the plane. The speed was still managed by the computer though. Flight 237 was now about 4 nautical miles from the runway andd the pilots took the plane down as they searched to reacquire the runway. Still in the base turn the pilots had the runway in sight. The captain said runway in sight and asked the first officer to descend. But as the turn was ending the first officer was squinting through the sun trying to find the runway and he was not seeing what the captain was seeing, there was no runway to be found.The first officer was probably starting to worry now and then he had the scare of his life. They were at 500 feet and he saw the runway. The only problem was that they were not lined up with the runway, the runway was off to the side they were lined up with a highway that was off to the left of the runway. The captain asking the first officer to take the plane down to a highway. The first officer had very little time to react. The jet was at 480 feet and it was dropping fast in a mere 39 seconds the jet with - people on board had dropped another 180 feet and it was at 200 feet. At this point the captain realized what the first officer had known the whole time and both pilots called for a go around simultaneously. Right as they did that the too low terrain warning came on, thats a warning that you never wanna hear in the cockpit. The pilots pushed the engines to max power and the engines responded pushing the plane out of its descent for about 10 seconds the jet floated just 189 feet above the ground and then thankfully it started to gain altitude once the jet was fully climbing away they then landed the plane on runway 27 safely. This time using an ILS approach to the runway. Thus, they landed safely. I doubt if the passengers on the plane knew how close they were to disaster but they really were.
But before we go further lets talk about how this approach should have been carried out. Youd fly along the runway called the downwind leg, then when you were abeam of the runwa
Play War Thunder now for free with my link: playwt.link/maci and get a massive bonus pack including vehicles, boosters and more!
No
Goddamn this channel has gone down the drain in terms of quality in the last 6 months
Just be happy for MACI that he has some sponsorship! Putting these videos together is a lot of work & the guy deserves some reward for this.
Same thing happened in 89 in Perth Western Australia they were landing on the road to the Terminal
They almost Harrisonforded on a public road. Unbelievable.
Fun fact, least in the states most areas have a mile or so of straight highway and freeway, 4-6 lanes wide and no power lines for a reason. If you are state side, you'll start seeing them, and that's the second reason for them existing.
Who the fuck is harison ford? A car?
narrator: ILS approach
subtitles: eyeless approach
💀💀☠️☠️
Its makes sense though😆. Visual (eye) approach is opposite.
Thanks for covering those lesser known incidents, they are just as valuable for insights and learnings as the major tragedies that end in disaster.
Still better than Alitalia 404.
Captain himself recognized his mistake. And the first officer also called out for a go-around, albeit a little late, which also was accepted by the captain unlike the 404.
Error 404 - Runway Not Found
I love the near miss and minor incident reports. They give great insight without dabbling in the sensational content.
While this incident clearly could have been disastrous, there isn’t really a possibility that fog or thunderstorms would have increased the likelihood of it- quite the opposite is the case. You can’t fly a visual approach (and mistake a road for the runway) when you don’t have adequate visibility. The pilots would have been on the ILS from the start.
This.
239 feet is equivalent to about 39 Amitabh Bachhan. A plane should never be 39 Bachhan above a highway 😛
(Im an indian, just couldn't stop myself from posting the "bad dad joke) 😂
I should have done that 😂
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation ha ha, he is our very own Tom Cruise since 50s :)
totally true @arkzbh
Highway to the danger zone 😂! Love it 😂
He's been waiting to use that.
The Alitalia 404 jokes write themselves. "404 TOGA Not Found"
You say that if there was low visibility, they might have landed (i.e. crashed) on the runway. Except that if there was poor visibility, they would not have been flying VFR.
There are incidents where military pilots converting to commercial flying do not like to listen to their juniors. May be it is because of years of training in military where subordinates are not allowed to question their superiors.
7:26 Incident not accident, there was no accident.
"This video was made with reference to publicly available sources" unlike the update requests War Thunder players make lol.
Well narrator, they wouldn't have flown visual if there were thunderstorms.
Also most airlines require an ils signal even during visual approaches for this very reason.
Its interesting how they went from flying downwind to final? Your obviously not a pilot.
"That runway looks awfully skinny, and why are there ants on the runway??"
Good video, but the Ad right in the middle of it REALLY threw off the story.
I agree. Found it annoying and way too long. Should be at the beginning or end of the video.
When Aeroflot attempt their first landing at Sea-Tac(late 80's/90's), they lined up to Wa-509(west) on first approach and lined up to Wa-99(east) on second approach. Eventually they manage to land safely.
Please add a story of 1988 crash of Horizon flight 2658 th-cam.com/video/buBgdau5Dn4/w-d-xo.html
On the cockpit voice recorder, the FO can be heard to say, "I can't see a runway, but I think that's our taxi down there!"
Okay, I made that up. :D
That's a pity, wouldn't that have been great I that has really happened 😂
@@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 not really mate. Wasn't funny here or there
Back in México, the same issue happened twice in Monterrey (MMMY/MTY) as the highway heading to the airport runs paralell to runway 11
Alternatively if there was only one pilot, the captain wouldn’t have been pilot monitoring to misidentify the runway to begin with! 😂
LOL, I turned on subtitles and it said, "they were told to expect an eyeless approach"
9:23 Good thing for the pilot that "There was a lack of assertiveness on the fart of the First Officer"
Ayy... we've got another sponsor!
Could you make your plug for your sponsor longer !!!!!. I felt like it was like about 5 minutes .
Thanks for all your work and information in your videos. Regards from Australia 🦘🇦🇺
Good CRM (and good leadership & teamwork... one of the core competencies) is so important. Thankfully, they did a go-around when they did, or else it would have been a disaster. But that FO definitely should have felt comfortable enough to speak up sooner.
Also, unrelated to the video...I assume, since you cover aviation incidents, that you probably watch Mentour Pilot. He, and his colleague, Ben (Airline Pilot Performance) are going to be offering a free 4 day "virtual 737 type rating" course for flight simmers, starting in September I believe. I took the course back in March and loved it and I think it might be something you would enjoy. Mentour Pilot mentioned in his recent Mentour Now video (about jet engines), toward the end. Just thought I'd let you know, in case you would be interested.
Sounds like a authority gradient at work in the CRM. At least they eventually realised before it was irrecoverable. An incident yes, but also a powerful learning situation. They’ll both be better for it.
recommend you google "begs the question". i feel you don't have the foggiest notion of what it means.
Wow! None of your videos have come up in my feed for a month now. I had to search for your channel to get your videos again.
Now I'm going to binge on all your videos from the last month.
Another airline where bad CRM played a huge part. CRM was invented in the late 80s and there are still cases where failure to use it causes accidents or near misses like this one.
A similar thing happened at Heathrow where an aircraft was lined to land on a public road that was parallel to the runway and outside the aircraft perimeter.
May we get a, "Country Roads, Take Me Home," video too?
Nothing quite says safety as war doesn’t it?
I thought you were going to say "This video is sponsored by the military industrial complex"
The captain must be fired
WAR THUNDER RUSSIAN GAME STOP GET SUPPORT FROM WHEM
Indigo has had a few near misses.....landing to the side of a runway in bangalore....Swiss cheese theory holds good.....
That was Go Air... Not indigo
@@abhaysood3 thanks for pointing out my bad
The advertisement is a pain in the ass.
It's crazy that they ordered 500 A220...or was it the 320 lol nevertheless HUGE order
It’s 125 320s and 375 321s. No 220s though - the growth of the Indian aviation sector means we need aircraft with more capacity
The autopilot would have done better than both of those pilots put together.
An A320 gliding at 200 ft above must have been terrifying for the people on the highway below.
I flew them to Hyderabad. Luggage fees were annoying.
Given the crews mentally integrate the instruments into a mental picture is it not time to electronically do this as a flight simulator does against a clear sky so much better when flying at night over black terrain.
Description says '206' as the year lol
Great video with really impressive commentary. Well done
Very soft audio. Not happy. As I want and need to hear you.
Woww
Adverts in the middle are a real let down I'm afraid.
Yeah. I would recommend him to do end of video paid promotions rather than mid video paid promotions going forward.
Nothing wrong with paid promotions, but doing them in the middle of the video ruins to whole momentum of it.
Not to mention it being a Russian war game.
War Thunder :)
I want to be pilat!
Wow! Grape!
the initial fabbula reminded me of the 2017 crash of a Moscow-Kirov flight...
Very different conditions, but the highway part was there....
Landing visually at night & in patchy fog, the pilots there mistook a small section of lit road for the extended runway lights (the actual lights were inop), & crashed the plane into the forest. this was a VFR only field, with no automation and barely a tower, however, diverting would have eaten out their monthly flight allowance and stranded the crew indefinitely in some cheap hotel somewhere in the middle of the arctic quagmires...
they chose to risk it and lost the bet
Which simulator is this ?
The flight computers would have to be a lot more powerful and a lot more transparent. Any case of flight computer acting opaquely which far too often should be slam dunk for litigation.
I never knew about this… Thanks for sharing these lesser known would be disasters
Great video! You go into so much detail. If I have a recommendation for a video where should I put it?
oh i've just realized that Indigo is a play on india go and shouldn't be pronounced in duh go
Close call, shoulda stuck with the ILS!
How long were you waiting to go full Kenny Loggins on us?
Great video! Thank you. 😀
superb mister
The Indian airline industry has been getting better since Tata takeover of Air India & Vistara prompted other local airline carriers to improve, to be in the competition. However, there is this one airliner that is still the same: spicejet. Wondering how a single episode hasn't come out on your channel on the Indian version of RyanAir & Spirit Airlines.
look up spicejet 256 or the near miss betwen a spicejet q400 and a qatar airbus a320
although neither of those incidents were fault of spicejet pilots
Im glad when theres a good outcome
Fun fact, least in the states most areas have a mile or so of straight highway and freeway, 4-6 lanes wide and no power lines for a reason. If you are state side, you'll start seeing them, and that's the second reason for them existing.
Can you point me to a source for that? Everything I've read about in online in the last decade has been debunking it.
I'm a little skeptical...
Why was the first officer criticized for not handing over the controls? With the captain's confirmation bias, that may have made things worse...
Wow
Uh
If it had been bad weather the plane would have flown and ILS approach.
My personal opinion is that all pilots who have not previously landed in a airport for a while like the captain in the video should be mandatory to be given a really basic (almost) recap or a kickstart in a simulator session in these kinds of situation given how catastrophic the given situation could have turned out because we just would never know how many lives we can loose as it has already happened once before where we actually lost lives
Have you ever been in a plane crash cuz you seem so interested in plane crashes.
The problem with AI is the dubious form of "training" they have to do... Nobody's willingly going to let a robot fly a plane on ZERO practice, and Code Dev's are NOT pilots... There's only so far they can take it with actual pilots trying to give input and feedback for them to decipher into code...
We already have a solid system for training the humans, and it's low risk. You're NEVER IN HELL going to create it at "no risk". The world just doesn't work like that... SO while I can see the current argument "Well, maybe so, but an AI would only need trained the one time, instead of humans who have to be trained every generation." Which sounds good and all, BUT then the software engineers and code developers HAVE to make some reason to keep their own jobs! They'll have "second generation AI" next, and we're right back to square one again... and again for third gen', and there's ALWAYS something newer and shinier and another stupid excuse to "innovate" some more BS in the mean time.
At some point, I want a human being to be up there fighting like hell to preserve every life instead of the AI up there calculating what would be "acceptable losses" for any given scenario anyways. Stuff the AI and leave the humans to do the friggin' job "IRL"... AI belongs in cyberspace, closed off somewhere where it can't hurt anyone. ;o)
I watched a video on YT where a fly by wire passenger jet was saved by a team of 3 highly experienced and some ex military pilots who managed to land a plane where the computers had gone nuts. I'm yet to be convinced. I'm sure it will come in time but that time is not now.
@@Jabarri74 I believe that was Quantas Flight 72, and "Green Dot Aviation" posted a vid' with Cap'n Sully on for interview just last week about it... if we're thinking of the same incident... It's a good vid' if you haven't seen it yet... AND yeah, there are a few vid's about it (among several infamous moments in aviation history.
What I found both most disconcerting and most interesting is that nobody could quite zero in on what actually caused the trouble. They know the computers glitched out and some sensors and bit were damaged and got repaired, but there was no final tangible word of, "Ah-HAH! THAT is the piece of sh*t that nearly killed our plane!" in so many words.
It might seem somewhere between "hair splitting" and truly counter-intuitive, but computers ONLY EVER process information. They do NOT think... not like humans do. They're inherently incapable of "creative problem solving" because of that. It's also clear evidence of "free will" in spite of whatever any egg-head or squint will try to sell you.
Humans have to deal with a myriad of internal voices in our heads. We have emotions that change the tones and vocabularies of those voices from cute and bubbly happy tones to outright self-destructive fountains of violent obscenity... We also have just random questions and thoughts, especially when we start to "stress out" a little under the pressure... Computers don't. They analyze and select from a list of probability arranged responses and just execute what they have evaluated (and what's been evaluated for them) as the highest valued response for a given set of parameters... AND one is easily FOOLED into believing that's more efficient than struggling through monkey-chatter and violent outbursts of emotional context... BUT unfortunately to get REAL THINKING to work, and the creativity that comes with it, there's a package deal. You either take the WHOLE package, warts and inconveniences and all, or you get the half-assed version that's more efficient for the 100% known values a majority of the time, but falls apart uselessly in even "that other %" where you only really know about 93 to 98% of the subject.
SO even if a completely synthetic brain and mind WAS possible, now is certainly NOT the time to presume any such thing is even yet "do-able"... not on our current constraints of technology.
AI STILL belongs well and truly as "sub-servant" to the human in control... period. ;o)
That plane had more toilets than most villages in India.