Mine just came in. I thumped on the spine with my other hand and nothing closed. I'm good with the shape & size. Very high sharpness. Completely even finish. Worth the cost.
I'd love to see how to updated design holds up. I'm glad I waited and got the updated version. Unfortunately most first releases of all manufacturers MAY have issues just like with vehicles. Good stuff man
This seems like even the smallest bit of testing would have exposed this long before it went into full production. Also if it’s true that as Doody said, they haven’t even acknowledged it, then that’s just as crazy. You don’t see stuff like this from brands like Protech, Hogue, etc. because they’d be risking the possibility of a class action lawsuit or worse if enough people had the issue or cut themselves.
@@doodysdaggers They did right after all the noise about it came out.. Why they updated the design with a stiffer spring, different milling on lock spot, and harder steel on the button.. Also they stated if anyone wasn’t happy they could send them back for a refund. Most companies wouldn’t have done that IMO
Good video, Doody, I got lucky my Raccoon has held up well & I've stressed it & spine whacked it but mot too extreme & not one failure, but I know they all can't be perfect.
I like that you changed up the testing line up. Gives them a good chance at cutting the rope and strap. But then again getting to the rope and strap after all the other test proves a good knife too. So I’m uncertain now what way it should be lol
Hmm yeah, I can’t decide which way is better either. I think having the strap and rope later is definitely more difficult for the knife to get through. But it proves a knife can hold a good edge if it gets through the other materials and then can cut the rope and strap. Yeah I think the way I have it is good now that I think about it haha
Well once it failed once, the more you make it fail the easier it will fail. I got mine a couple of months ago and I spine whacked it pretty good a couple of times and it was fine, so i won't worry about it. I don’t really do abusive thing to an EDC knife.
I didn’t do any cuts where it failed on me. But like I said in the video, you may be able to get through your daily tasks just fine without it failing. But because it can fail with just a soft tap on the spine, I would be always worried about it closing on me
My Kizer Towser K Mini BL fails when I press my thumb hard enough into the spine. I’ve been having some bad button lock experiences lately, so I’ll stay away from this one. Thanks for the heads up.
Get a hold of krazy Kay and she’ll send you a new button . Worked for me and peurtorican with a knife . She sent two actually and the k mini button fit the Xl begleiter and fixed that one too . Sharing good info always ❤peace and love brothers .
Smack the top of the blade with your fingers is a good test . The more you do it the worse it will get .maybe constant Vosteed and see if the offer more harder buttons ? And do a re do because kizer fixed my two issues with new buttons. Thanks for sharing Doody
Yeah maybe, I heard from a few people that asked for new buttons and it didn’t fix the issue though.. I think it’s a problem with the way the tang of the blade is ground. So nothing you can really do about it. Oh well! I like the Pyrite more anyways
I have a pair of Raccoons that both failed light spine whacking. I reached out to Vosteed and they sent me new buttons. Replaced both buttons and one still failed light spine whacking. I've since returned that one and am waiting on a replacement. Hopefully it won't fail. 🤞🏼
@@keithchung2274 interesting, I wonder what a new button did. Or if they sent a slightly different button designs. Either way, glad they are trying to help fix the issue!
Wow. I don’t know that many button locks are designed and built to take much of a spine wack, or static weight test. It seems that weakness is inherent in the design. IMO, button locks knives are the Leatherman FREE series to multitools: great for general home use.
It shouldn’t be failing that easily, none of my other button locks fail with a tap on the spine or even a strong whack. As far as the weights, I dunno, Id have to hang the same weight off some other button locks. I’ll never know for sure until I try. 😉 I’ll try it with some of my other button locks. Not the Malibu though haha But yeah, they aren’t designed for anything harder than simple day to day stuff. I’d just be hesitant to carry and use this knife after seeing that a light tap can fail the lock
If it’s a recent release it’s most likely fixed. Let me know when you get it! Just whack it on its spine on something soft so you don’t scratch it and see. If it fails, you can always return it and get something else. I’m very curious to see if it’s fixed so make sure to let me know! 🤠
This is why I don't buy budget knives. I'd rather save up and buy a more premium knife. I did order the Pyrite wharncliffe, that knife is a must in my collection. Can't believe it only costs $60 🤷♂️
Fact: Vosteed is new competition. If they gave it to another Chinese factory to OEMA their models, it would pay dividends to build in fsilure and question raised for Vosteed. The way Chinese doesn't think the same on patents as we do which is arguably a smaller matter, why not be this cutthroat as well? People are saying Chinese are stepping up quality, but that might be talk or shill and business practices being what they are, we might not still be served to trust? Now if there's other elements like good thermal cycles on good alloys with correct geometries than we're getting SOMETHING worth having & taking the good with the bad.
I always think of The Last Boyscout cutting a tree down with Spyderco para military 2 and that other people have a threshold and conception that's way different than mine.
😂 oh WOW! You might be right! It's a non-issue, point of contention, dead horse to beat and talking point to make videos with! They always attack popular things!
The first 2/3 of this video is a waste of time. If the knife is used, why would you test sharpness? And if you sharpened it, and it isn't sharp, that says more about your knife sharpening skills than it does the steel. Good to know not to trust the button lock though. I'd love to know if the crossbar lock (axis lock) would fail any of your tests.
This seems like beyond reasonable use but I'm glad you had fun
Mine just came in. I thumped on the spine with my other hand and nothing closed. I'm good with the shape & size. Very high sharpness. Completely even finish. Worth the cost.
Great to hear! On the newer ones they have apparently fixed the issue
I'd love to see how to updated design holds up. I'm glad I waited and got the updated version. Unfortunately most first releases of all manufacturers MAY have issues just like with vehicles. Good stuff man
Yep, this kind of stuff does happen. Vosteed has not even acknowledged it though, as far as I know. That’s kinda shitty
This seems like even the smallest bit of testing would have exposed this long before it went into full production. Also if it’s true that as Doody said, they haven’t even acknowledged it, then that’s just as crazy. You don’t see stuff like this from brands like Protech, Hogue, etc. because they’d be risking the possibility of a class action lawsuit or worse if enough people had the issue or cut themselves.
@@doodysdaggers They did right after all the noise about it came out.. Why they updated the design with a stiffer spring, different milling on lock spot, and harder steel on the button.. Also they stated if anyone wasn’t happy they could send them back for a refund. Most companies wouldn’t have done that IMO
@@JCpNK oh really! Okay that’s great, I didn’t know that
@@doodysdaggers I've seen them comment on another TH-cam review about the problems with the lock
Good video, Doody, I got lucky my Raccoon has held up well & I've stressed it & spine whacked it but mot too extreme & not one failure, but I know they all can't be perfect.
Oh nice you got a good one! I’d love to know the actual percentage of bad ones
I'm not desperate to be a lucky outlier. 👍
I like that you changed up the testing line up. Gives them a good chance at cutting the rope and strap. But then again getting to the rope and strap after all the other test proves a good knife too. So I’m uncertain now what way it should be lol
Hmm yeah, I can’t decide which way is better either. I think having the strap and rope later is definitely more difficult for the knife to get through. But it proves a knife can hold a good edge if it gets through the other materials and then can cut the rope and strap. Yeah I think the way I have it is good now that I think about it haha
I have a white mountain knives with frag pattern on the way. I hope it is not a weak lock up.
Apparently they have fixed the new ones! So you should be good 😉
Well once it failed once, the more you make it fail the easier it will fail. I got mine a couple of months ago and I spine whacked it pretty good a couple of times and it was fine, so i won't worry about it. I don’t really do abusive thing to an EDC knife.
its crazy because i have liner lock knives that even fail but yet CJRB button locks dont fail so weird
Hey bud, so I’m concerned about accidentally disengaging button with side of thumb in hammer grip! Is the button recessed well? Thank you
It’s not an issue, I couldnt the button while gripping the knife
In what kind of cuts will this knife fail on you? Or is it more if you stab/violently hack something where it's a risk?
I didn’t do any cuts where it failed on me. But like I said in the video, you may be able to get through your daily tasks just fine without it failing. But because it can fail with just a soft tap on the spine, I would be always worried about it closing on me
Say you're cutting up in the mountains and get clumbsy & fall with it open or a branch comes down unexpectedly when it's open then that's your risk.
My Kizer Towser K Mini BL fails when I press my thumb hard enough into the spine.
I’ve been having some bad button lock experiences lately, so I’ll stay away from this one. Thanks for the heads up.
Yessir, it’s a bad one for sure. They may fix the issue in future versions though
Get a hold of krazy Kay and she’ll send you a new button . Worked for me and peurtorican with a knife . She sent two actually and the k mini button fit the Xl begleiter and fixed that one too . Sharing good info always ❤peace and love brothers .
@@Hungrybird474
Thanks for the tip! Will do!
Thanks
I would like to see these tests with the crossbar version. I bet the crossbar is 2x3 times as strong.
Oh yeah it absolutely is !
Smack the top of the blade with your fingers is a good test . The more you do it the worse it will get .maybe constant Vosteed and see if the offer more harder buttons ? And do a re do because kizer fixed my two issues with new buttons. Thanks for sharing Doody
Yeah maybe, I heard from a few people that asked for new buttons and it didn’t fix the issue though.. I think it’s a problem with the way the tang of the blade is ground. So nothing you can really do about it. Oh well!
I like the Pyrite more anyways
I have a pair of Raccoons that both failed light spine whacking. I reached out to Vosteed and they sent me new buttons. Replaced both buttons and one still failed light spine whacking. I've since returned that one and am waiting on a replacement. Hopefully it won't fail. 🤞🏼
@@keithchung2274 interesting, I wonder what a new button did. Or if they sent a slightly different button designs. Either way, glad they are trying to help fix the issue!
Могли бы на него сталь приличнее поставить, этот сендвик устаревшее железо, тогда из старого можно было бы взять 154см. Но хорошо что не хром 13.
Wow. I don’t know that many button locks are designed and built to take much of a spine wack, or static weight test.
It seems that weakness is inherent in the design.
IMO, button locks knives are the Leatherman FREE series to multitools: great for general home use.
It shouldn’t be failing that easily, none of my other button locks fail with a tap on the spine or even a strong whack.
As far as the weights, I dunno, Id have to hang the same weight off some other button locks. I’ll never know for sure until I try. 😉
I’ll try it with some of my other button locks. Not the Malibu though haha
But yeah, they aren’t designed for anything harder than simple day to day stuff. I’d just be hesitant to carry and use this knife after seeing that a light tap can fail the lock
Great video as alwasys man. Do you buy from one particular place in general? Not sure if you have shared that before or not. Thanks man!
I buy from a few different online retailers. A few are: White Mountain Knives, DLT Trading, GPKnives, Traditional Pocketknives, and BladeOps
@@doodysdaggers Thanks man!!!
I think that is first weighted test I've seen for the racoon, nice. I'll stick with my pyrite.🤙
Yep I agree! Pyrite is way better. Even if the Raccoon locked up solid, I still prefer the Pyrite. Stoked to get the wharnie version!!
My PM2 is my current favorite.
Cross bar locks are my backup.
well done
That's why I didn't order the Grind Scandi and they finally discontinued
Just ordered one of the WMK exclusives and didn't know about this issue. Any chance they fixed it?
If it’s a recent release it’s most likely fixed. Let me know when you get it! Just whack it on its spine on something soft so you don’t scratch it and see. If it fails, you can always return it and get something else. I’m very curious to see if it’s fixed so make sure to let me know! 🤠
@@doodysdaggers Will do!
@@Ratchman_5000 I'm curious too. I ordered one from WMK and I forgot about the past issues it had. When I get it ill test it and see what happens.
So I'd be immaterial if I don't whack the spine or hard use the knife. Since it's a folder that's not happening!
How can you tell if its an updated version?
Whack it on the spine and see if it disengages. If it doesn’t, you’re good!
This is why I don't buy budget knives. I'd rather save up and buy a more premium knife. I did order the Pyrite wharncliffe, that knife is a must in my collection. Can't believe it only costs $60 🤷♂️
I ordered the same one! Looks awesome 🤠
So you do buy them...
@TDBjungle Yes, I do if I think they are worth the money.
Fact: Vosteed is new competition. If they gave it to another Chinese factory to OEMA their models, it would pay dividends to build in fsilure and question raised for Vosteed. The way Chinese doesn't think the same on patents as we do which is arguably a smaller matter, why not be this cutthroat as well? People are saying Chinese are stepping up quality, but that might be talk or shill and business practices being what they are, we might not still be served to trust? Now if there's other elements like good thermal cycles on good alloys with correct geometries than we're getting SOMETHING worth having & taking the good with the bad.
I always think of The Last Boyscout cutting a tree down with Spyderco para military 2 and that other people have a threshold and conception that's way different than mine.
Or was his channel called the late Boyscout? Anyway. I haven't seen hide nor hair of him in a coon's age
Now is that a regular tang or a poo tang?
Haha poo tang!
I believe it is a poon tang😜
@@Richard_Cranium_Daily 😂that’s right
🤣🤣🤣
I hate it when I'm using the spine of my knife for cutting and it just up and closes on me.
Just terrible.
😂
😂 oh WOW! You might be right! It's a non-issue, point of contention, dead horse to beat and talking point to make videos with! They always attack popular things!
Well fuck me I just bought one.........
They’ve since fixed the issue so you should be good
@doodysdaggers oh thank God lol I got super nervous
@@doodysdaggers can't be losing fingers cus I use my knife every day
And fuck yea for the response will sub@@doodysdaggers
The first 2/3 of this video is a waste of time. If the knife is used, why would you test sharpness? And if you sharpened it, and it isn't sharp, that says more about your knife sharpening skills than it does the steel. Good to know not to trust the button lock though. I'd love to know if the crossbar lock (axis lock) would fail any of your tests.