Dear viewer: The purpose of this video is NOT to trash or belittle Catholics who go to the New Mass, or say the are less Catholic. Rather, it is to illustrate the grave actions that are done every day in thousands of Churches. The only way for the Catholic Church to be restored, is to completely return to the Traditional Latin Mass as the only Mass of the Roman Rite. It is the historic Traditionalist position that the New Mass is theologically deficient regardless of how it is said. Much more will be said on this issue in an upcoming 100-plus episode series on the Problem with the New Mass, beginning in March of this year, where myself, Kennedy Hall, Murry Rundus, Matthew Plese, Anthony Abbate, and many others illustrate the central problems with this issue.
If anyone were to genuinely say "stop trashing the Novus Ordo, radtrad!" in response to this, it would be a clear sign of projection. It's literally just comparing two things side-by-side with no opinions added in, no manipulations or distortions. If that makes anyone defending the Novus Ordo uncomfortable, what does that tell you?
I'm from Chile, a Catholic mayority country, never been to a TLM because it a complete rarity here, but I have never been to a mass like that NO you are showing, I usually attend to a NO mass at a Benedict monastery and completely reverent, only a organ is played. There is ways to do reverent N.O. and because of its the complexity you simply cannot do a TLM everywhere a N.O. is done. TLM is not the original mass, we can, must, find a way to balance reverence with reach. TLM is not it.
@CarlosOteroC TLM was everywhere before the 70s. It just that priests aren't competent anymore, and finding a priest interested in anything traditional is a rarity. If Jesuit missions back in the day could do it, I think we can do it now. Also, the NO is deficient in more than just music or language. It is missing many important prayers, and other things.
@@CarlosOteroC Scholars agree that the TLM is the ancient Roman rite. The Issue with the New Mass is not primarily about how reverent it it said. The Problem is that it is theologically deficient.
Pardon the lengthy reply: A year ago, I was looking around for a Protestant church that fit my arbitrary expectations of what my religion should look like…nothing felt right, one day, I decided to step into a RCC that offers TLM. (I had no idea what any of that meant) I attended mass (NO) for the first time in my adult life and did not come out feeling like I wanted more…I then attended TLM and have not stopped since, I cannot get enough of the reverence and sacredness. I immediately signed up to be a catholic, for the first time I was kneeling and praying, I felt at peace…my surroundings was foreign, quiet, overwhelming…I knew I was home. God willing I will be a member of the one true apostolic church by Easter 🙏
Good for you it’s important to distinguish between good liturgy and bad bad liturgy unfortunately there’s good people in this bad liturgy. Saint Augustine said when the person dies God knows who were the members of his flock I’m just paraphrasing.
For many years while attending NO Mass I have been feeling like there is something missing here. I kept seeing only wrong things thinking I was being judgmental so I tried suppressing my feelings. When covid happened the NO got even worse. Then I found TLM and felt I was home. I wept many times as I felt Gods love after receiving Holy Communion. I realized that all these years at NO I wasn't being judgmental but it was GOD trying to show me the way to what I was searching for and that is the TLM. Im so thankful to God for taking me away from all the noise and improper practices of NO. Just watching this video brings great sorrow to my heart knowing that God is being offended while being sacrificed during the NO Mass. I pray that it will be completely abolished and the only thing that will remain of it are sorrowful memories. God bless you. ✝️ 🙏
I doubt the New Mass will ever be abolished. The NO Parishes will eventually fold due to lack of funding and vocations. It’s already happening with the consolidation of parishes. On the flip side- Just today I read a FSSP newsletter where 2 of the Apostolates are growing out of their current buildings. Houston, and Tyler. One of them has to offer 6 Sunday Masses. Even Hispanic Catholics value Traditions.
It's going on a year since I've been to the N.O mass .I can't ever go back.. So hard to watch. It's pure misbehavior at Calvary..I just want to add. I absolutely love my N.O priest..
I've gone to the NO 3x since 2020. 2 funerals and a wedding. Every time I think I am going to try to go to a weekday Mass I am reminded by something like this 😔
@Jorbinocus No. I would love to. I do have a Publicans prayer book. I'm sure you know..ita a eastern Catholism prayer book..and I'm obsessed with it. the iconography in the book is amazing..prayers and devotion to the Theotokos are beautiful.
@@markdaddy2089 No actually I’ve never heard about it! I’ll have to check it out maybe pickup my own copy. But as far as the Divine Liturgy you gotta go. It’s awesome. I love it just as much as the TLM.
Im someone studying and inquiring both orthodoxy and catholicism whos convinced on everything that is mutually agreed upon by the two. 4 years ago when my studies began i made this commitment: if i accept the literal presence of christ in the eucharist and not just a symbol or a spiritual presence, then i will NEVER attend a typical novus ordo.
I love my N.O. preist and deacons who helped me become Catholic last year in RCIA. I love the community too and I've been volunteering at the parish for the Confirmation classes for High Schoolers. I've been going to the TLM since last November and I can't get enough of it. The N.O. isn't going away but it does need a serious reform.
What has blown my mind as I've talked with people online about the problems in your average Novus Ordo Mass is how many "Pro Novus Ordo" Catholics seem willfully ignorant and defensive of the comparisons being made here. I've posted in comments sections describing the exact things contained in the video on the right side as the kinds of things you can expect if you threw a dart on a map of the USA and went to the closest N.O. parish. I know this for a fact and by experience, because the N.O. parish right next to my house (which I faithfully attend, for various reasons, but likely will not be attending for much longer if I'm being honest) is practically beat-for-beat exactly like this random parish you found for this video; it's also exactly like a similar video Kennedy Hall made a while back; and it's also exactly like many other random parishes you could choose. Seriously, just look up a Novus Ordo parish's masses, if they stream them, here on TH-cam -- try it and see what the overall average trends towards! But what do I get in the replies to my comments? "I've literally never experienced what you're talking about." "What's the problem with what you described?" "You're being divisive, you sound judgemental." "Well Jesus is still there, so it still counts!" I can only assume that these N.O. commenters have all managed to find the ideal "Novus Ordo Unicorn" and have failed to realize that their experience, by nature of their Mass being colloquially called a "unicorn", is NOT the norm and that they're in a bubble; or alternatively, they're simply ignorant of the problems around them (or, and I don't say this lightly, could be lying), and they are reacting with extreme discomfort because their cognitive dissonance is being pointed out. Thank you for making this comparison video and for not providing any personal commentary about which Mass is better, I think this could all serve as a very useful resource in the future.
This is very true. I used to attend a unicorn mass before I took the sacrifice of going to the Tridentine Mass, and its nothing like the average NO. Literally every other Novus Ordo Mass I've attended is like the one on the right or worse. For anyone who has a unicorn mass, ask yourself what Mass gives more glory to God and make the sacrifice to go there. The liturgy is not for us, but is also meant as an act of religion.
So painful to watch. I am a convert who only attended NO masses for 20 years. I didn't know any different, and I was taught that the NO was just the English translation of the Latin Mass. Once I started attending the TLM and seeing how different it really was, I really can not attend the NO mass. Also, you picked a random NO mass from NJ, but I have attended NO masses in North Carolina, Maine, New York, and they are all basically the same. There is a common myth that all a person needs to do is find a "reverent" NO mass, but I have never found one.
I feel you. I went to a NO last Saturday for first Saturday mass, it was terrible to say the least. The priest made his procession like he was a celebrity walking to the stage. I struggled throughout the mass.
A few Google reviews: If you’re looking for a new up beat church, you have to visit Sacred Heart! This church is not your old school boring Catholic Mass!!! Masses are uplifting and the music is just beautiful! Makes you want to dance & bop in the pews! It’s like no other Catholic Church around… you try it once and you will be back! It’s like a new spin or a revitalized mass!!! ❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻 Loved the solar panels😊
Thank you for making a proper comparison video, Nick. It's important for people to remember that there's a reason why Trad commentators half-jokingly refer to the elusive Reverent Novus Ordo as "the Unicorn Novus Ordo." While a welcome step in the right direction, they are the exception, not the rule, and are far outnumbered by the ceremony on the right.
My NO Priest is amazing. Our Bishop has been wise to put the most orthodox Priests in the Parish Church in St Marys KS! Please keep praying for God’s will to be done. Whatever it may be. I love the TLM as well. No place is going to be perfect. Living and working near St. Marys has shown me that.
My hometown parish closest to me is like this NO, but luckily my college one is much more reverent and I enjoy it much more. Will be attending TLM at home from now on.
In my personal experience the constant chatter and noise of the N.O. causes me irritation and raises my level of anxiety. It distracts my mind from prayer and Adoration. With anyone who suffers from PTSD or any other psychological disorder , the N.O. Mass only causes the symptoms to become more exasperated than usual. Unfortunately this is the only Mass that I Have Access to, and even more unfortunate is that it's held in an Anglican Church building.
The Latin mass is so beautiful, I wish there was one near me in the UK. The No in the UK is not quite like the NO in America, it's more reserved. I pray the Latin Mass will be restored so more people can attend or have the opportunity to attend one. At the church I attend one of the side chapels is set up for a Latin Mass, I think the priests must say it privately.
Welcome to this communal celebration of the Eucharist. Today is the 6 millionth Sunday in ordinary time. Please stand for the entrance hymn, one bread on body, found in your breaking bread hymnal on page 666. Please stand
As a TLM Catholic, every Catholic on both sides would be happy with this reform: 1. Ad orientum. 2. Gregorian chant. 3. Mass in the vernacular. 4. Altar rails. We don’t go to TLM because it’s in Latin. We go despite that.
Oh what we have lost! Lord God Almighty, King of Heaven and Earth We pray thee to preserve the Latin Mass in perpetuity as the Saints would recognize it in their day May it's depth, richness and fullness draw ever more converts and lost Catholics to it's majesty Heaven on Earth is never closer than during the Mass as it was intended Please Lord protect it from those that would seek to destroy it We are unworthy, we have been asleep, but so many are coming to the fullness of the Truth We beg in your mercy to lift the veil so that those who are blind come to see, that those who are deaf come to hear, and those who are in darkness come to know the light which The Mass illumines in the soul In nomine Jesu Christi, Amen. Our Lady of Sorrows Pray for Us Our Lady of Grace Pray for Us
To improve this video, the only thing i can think of is to add captions as to the titles of prayers / part of the Mass being said (Prayers of the Faithful / Offertory etc.)
I’ve been a member of the SSPX for over 35 years I can’t get enough of the mass itself. I try to make it as much as possible when I’m not working, but the Novus ordo really doesn’t work for me. Toooo watered down.
@@thetraditionalthomist I’ve caught a couple of your suggestions(The Catholic Controversy, Controversies of the Christian Faith)through livestreams. I also remember you saying you had some books to suggest to the guest from The Catholic Convert on the TLM. I’m a fairly new convert. So understanding the church’s history and traditions better would be great.
I prefer in the seminary is spiritual, respectful, moving your heart to God , the N.J one : why the priest have to dance in the sanctuary? The music is for a Broadway Show , not for a sacrificial Mass, don’t tell me anything specially the singers trying to show they vocals “ abilities” SHAME. Francis cancelled the most beautiful adoration to God for a third class Protestant services
Both must be experienced to discern. Once that is honestly done, one must HUMBLY ask themselves is the Sacrifice of the Mass for me or for God. If you say God, then you have chosen the TLM.
Ceremonies Used in the Administration of the Sacraments, as taught in The Roman Catechism of Trent. To (the matter and form) are added certain ceremonies. These cannot be omitted without sin, unless in case of necessity; yet, if at any time they be omitted, the Sacrament is not thereby invalidated, since the ceremonies do not pertain to its essence. It is not without good reason that the administration of the Sacraments has been at all times, from the earliest ages of the Church, accompanied with certain solemn rites. There is, in the first place, the greatest propriety in manifesting such a religious reverence to the sacred mysteries as to make it appear that holy things are handled by holy men. Secondly, these ceremonies serve to display more fully the effects of the Sacraments, placing them, as it were, before our eyes, and to impress more deeply on the minds of the faithful the sanctity of these sacred institutions. Thirdly, they elevate to sublime contemplation the minds of those who behold and observe them with attention, and excite within them faith and charity. To enable the faithful, therefore, to know and understand clearly the meaning of the ceremonies made use of in the administration of each Sacrament should be an object of special care and attention.
Hi there, I have a few questions if you have the time. 1. Is there a reason you didn't use the word "Average" to describe the Traditional Latin Mass? 2. When you use the word "Average" for the New Mass, are you making a statistical claim? I.e. of all of the New Masses held each day/month/year, 51% of them are run like this one? 3. Is this comparison for all countries, or just the US? Thank you for your time in advance.
The Mass itself is perfect because it is the Traditional rite. I am very thankful that those orders give pastoral care to millions of Catholics. That being said, I do think the groups (on paper) have issues, because they don't see any issues with the NO or the Council. That being said, I dont think they are evil men, and if they were the only TLM around I would go. I hope that makes sense.
@ Yeah man that makes sense and I actually agree with that. But I feel like some of them secretly don’t agree with the NO or the council but just don’t say anything in hopes that they don’t get labeled schismatic or whatever else.
@@thetraditionalthomist I’m sure they see issues. What they don’t do is speak out or be critical. The charity of St. Francis de Sales. If you cannot say anything charitable then don’t say anything - comes to mind.
@@TradCatholicWoman Hopefully, they’re never forced to offer the New Mass. if it happened, I doubt even half would cave in. As for the Council Documents - Sometimes I wonder if Pope Francis has even read them. He violates them more than anyone.
We as Americans forget how expensive some of the vestments, ornaments, and musical equipment are. Just a beautiful space itself and the property a church sits on is ungodly expensive today. Our projection of problems is totally first world..... That being said, the Novus Ordo at 90% of parishes is garbage, Latin and Traditional English would do wonders for Eucharistic prayer 1. Some of the most reverent masses I have been to were Low masses. Communion rails and ad Orientum would do wonders for the liturgy. The 30 years after Vatican 2 saw the construction of the ugliest suburban parish buildings the world has seen. I get it, it will take even more precious money to "beautify" them. What I'm trying to say is this cherry picked theme is extremely long hanging fruit, kind of petty. You pull from ugly Novus Ordo masses, the TLM today is beautiful because those few parishes that use it have a great love for it. It's really not that simple, I don't believe you are that stupid.
Some prefer the organ while some prefer the piano while some prefer the guitar while some like more incense while some others not so much; some like a more of a somber form of worship while others more of an upbeat worship you could say. Personally I like the piano when done properly. I could worship in both settings because I choose to enter into the mass. The only thing that would keep me away from one form or the other is if the priest doesn't have the faculties to say mass and thus is not under a Bishop with ordinary jurisdiction. Bottom line is I would subject my preference to what is properly a catholic church.
Ordinary jurisdiction means essentially nothing right now. The German pro-sodomy bishops have Ordinary jurisdiction. Fr. James Martin has Ordinary Jurisdiction. Bishops that pray with Jews and Muslims have ordinary Jurisdiction. Bishops that give Biden have Ordinary Jurisdiction. Church positive law is subordinate to divine law and the Catholic faith.
@@thetraditionalthomist As Christ alone chooses and sends the apostles, so the Vicar of Christ alone chooses and sends their successors. That is part of the Divine law. You and I may not like some of those decisions as some may be Judas, but we're not Donatists, we adhere to Gods order and God's providence and will will be done.
Having been exposed to the NO over 40 years across the US, it is absolutely a fair (if not outright charitable) representation of the average NO mass in the US
@@kevinwelfel313 Interesting. I'm a convert of only a year so I haven't visited many parishes but in my area at least, the average NO is WAY better than this one. I still however much prefer the Traditional Mass.
Consider yourself very blessed then, haha. This is slightly below average compared to most N.O. Masses in my area, but only slightly, and really only because the music in this clip is particularly grating and the participants feel very performative. The overall structure and elements are all the same though.
@@cole_07_30 Imagine traveling across the US and having to play whack-a-mole of “am I going to find a decent Mass this time.” Worse, revisiting the same location some time later just to find the mass is completely different simply because a new priests “preferences” were 180 out.
Dear viewer: The purpose of this video is NOT to trash or belittle Catholics who go to the New Mass, or say the are less Catholic. Rather, it is to illustrate the grave actions that are done every day in thousands of Churches. The only way for the Catholic Church to be restored, is to completely return to the Traditional Latin Mass as the only Mass of the Roman Rite. It is the historic Traditionalist position that the New Mass is theologically deficient regardless of how it is said. Much more will be said on this issue in an upcoming 100-plus episode series on the Problem with the New Mass, beginning in March of this year, where myself, Kennedy Hall, Murry Rundus, Matthew Plese, Anthony Abbate, and many others illustrate the central problems with this issue.
If anyone were to genuinely say "stop trashing the Novus Ordo, radtrad!" in response to this, it would be a clear sign of projection. It's literally just comparing two things side-by-side with no opinions added in, no manipulations or distortions. If that makes anyone defending the Novus Ordo uncomfortable, what does that tell you?
I'm from Chile, a Catholic mayority country, never been to a TLM because it a complete rarity here, but I have never been to a mass like that NO you are showing, I usually attend to a NO mass at a Benedict monastery and completely reverent, only a organ is played. There is ways to do reverent N.O. and because of its the complexity you simply cannot do a TLM everywhere a N.O. is done. TLM is not the original mass, we can, must, find a way to balance reverence with reach. TLM is not it.
@CarlosOteroC TLM was everywhere before the 70s. It just that priests aren't competent anymore, and finding a priest interested in anything traditional is a rarity. If Jesuit missions back in the day could do it, I think we can do it now. Also, the NO is deficient in more than just music or language. It is missing many important prayers, and other things.
@@LaserFace23 Very good points!
@@CarlosOteroC Scholars agree that the TLM is the ancient Roman rite. The Issue with the New Mass is not primarily about how reverent it it said. The Problem is that it is theologically deficient.
Pardon the lengthy reply:
A year ago, I was looking around for a Protestant church that fit my arbitrary expectations of what my religion should look like…nothing felt right, one day, I decided to step into a RCC that offers TLM. (I had no idea what any of that meant) I attended mass (NO) for the first time in my adult life and did not come out feeling like I wanted more…I then attended TLM and have not stopped since, I cannot get enough of the reverence and sacredness.
I immediately signed up to be a catholic, for the first time I was kneeling and praying, I felt at peace…my surroundings was foreign, quiet, overwhelming…I knew I was home.
God willing I will be a member of the one true apostolic church by Easter 🙏
Good for you it’s important to distinguish between good liturgy and bad bad liturgy unfortunately there’s good people in this bad liturgy. Saint Augustine said when the person dies God knows who were the members of his flock I’m just paraphrasing.
One reminds me why I left Protestantism. The other makes me feel like I never did 😮.
The TLM Priest in the thumbnail is the one who brought me into the church, heard my first confession, and gave me our lord in holy communion.
TLM must return as the standard. It has grown the faith of my family so deeply. It brings Christ to the front of mind through the whole week.
For many years while attending NO Mass I have been feeling like there is something missing here. I kept seeing only wrong things thinking I was being judgmental so I tried suppressing my feelings. When covid happened the NO got even worse. Then I found TLM and felt I was home. I wept many times as I felt Gods love after receiving Holy Communion. I realized that all these years at NO I wasn't being judgmental but it was GOD trying to show me the way to what I was searching for and that is the TLM. Im so thankful to God for taking me away from all the noise and improper practices of NO. Just watching this video brings great sorrow to my heart knowing that God is being offended while being sacrificed during the NO Mass. I pray that it will be completely abolished and the only thing that will remain of it are sorrowful memories. God bless you. ✝️ 🙏
This is my story as well, except it happened to me in 2018.
I doubt the New Mass will ever be abolished. The NO Parishes will eventually fold due to lack of funding and vocations. It’s already happening with the consolidation of parishes.
On the flip side- Just today I read a FSSP newsletter where 2 of the Apostolates are growing out of their current buildings. Houston, and Tyler. One of them has to offer 6 Sunday Masses. Even Hispanic Catholics value Traditions.
Thanks Nick! I’m looking forward to this series!
It's going on a year since I've been to the N.O mass .I can't ever go back.. So hard to watch. It's pure misbehavior at Calvary..I just want to add. I absolutely love my N.O priest..
Thats awesome dude. Have you ever had the opportunity to go to a Byzantine Catholic divine liturgy?
I've gone to the NO 3x since 2020. 2 funerals and a wedding. Every time I think I am going to try to go to a weekday Mass I am reminded by something like this 😔
@Jorbinocus No. I would love to. I do have a Publicans prayer book. I'm sure you know..ita a eastern Catholism prayer book..and I'm obsessed with it. the iconography in the book is amazing..prayers and devotion to the Theotokos are beautiful.
@@markdaddy2089 No actually I’ve never heard about it! I’ll have to check it out maybe pickup my own copy. But as far as the Divine Liturgy you gotta go. It’s awesome. I love it just as much as the TLM.
The piano in the NO Mass belongs in a cocktail lounge.
The Boomeritis is strong with this NO priest
Im someone studying and inquiring both orthodoxy and catholicism whos convinced on everything that is mutually agreed upon by the two. 4 years ago when my studies began i made this commitment: if i accept the literal presence of christ in the eucharist and not just a symbol or a spiritual presence, then i will NEVER attend a typical novus ordo.
I love my N.O. preist and deacons who helped me become Catholic last year in RCIA. I love the community too and I've been volunteering at the parish for the Confirmation classes for High Schoolers. I've been going to the TLM since last November and I can't get enough of it. The N.O. isn't going away but it does need a serious reform.
What has blown my mind as I've talked with people online about the problems in your average Novus Ordo Mass is how many "Pro Novus Ordo" Catholics seem willfully ignorant and defensive of the comparisons being made here. I've posted in comments sections describing the exact things contained in the video on the right side as the kinds of things you can expect if you threw a dart on a map of the USA and went to the closest N.O. parish. I know this for a fact and by experience, because the N.O. parish right next to my house (which I faithfully attend, for various reasons, but likely will not be attending for much longer if I'm being honest) is practically beat-for-beat exactly like this random parish you found for this video; it's also exactly like a similar video Kennedy Hall made a while back; and it's also exactly like many other random parishes you could choose. Seriously, just look up a Novus Ordo parish's masses, if they stream them, here on TH-cam -- try it and see what the overall average trends towards!
But what do I get in the replies to my comments? "I've literally never experienced what you're talking about." "What's the problem with what you described?" "You're being divisive, you sound judgemental." "Well Jesus is still there, so it still counts!" I can only assume that these N.O. commenters have all managed to find the ideal "Novus Ordo Unicorn" and have failed to realize that their experience, by nature of their Mass being colloquially called a "unicorn", is NOT the norm and that they're in a bubble; or alternatively, they're simply ignorant of the problems around them (or, and I don't say this lightly, could be lying), and they are reacting with extreme discomfort because their cognitive dissonance is being pointed out.
Thank you for making this comparison video and for not providing any personal commentary about which Mass is better, I think this could all serve as a very useful resource in the future.
This is very true. I used to attend a unicorn mass before I took the sacrifice of going to the Tridentine Mass, and its nothing like the average NO. Literally every other Novus Ordo Mass I've attended is like the one on the right or worse.
For anyone who has a unicorn mass, ask yourself what Mass gives more glory to God and make the sacrifice to go there. The liturgy is not for us, but is also meant as an act of religion.
So painful to watch. I am a convert who only attended NO masses for 20 years. I didn't know any different, and I was taught that the NO was just the English translation of the Latin Mass. Once I started attending the TLM and seeing how different it really was, I really can not attend the NO mass.
Also, you picked a random NO mass from NJ, but I have attended NO masses in North Carolina, Maine, New York, and they are all basically the same. There is a common myth that all a person needs to do is find a "reverent" NO mass, but I have never found one.
What's funny is that when you see the title, you know exactly which Mass was going to be bad.
Honestly , there is a Methodist church that broadcasts locally and it is indiscernible from these New Order mass clips.
I cannot even think of going to a NO Mass again. It is so painful, even if it is a unicorn NO.
I feel you. I went to a NO last Saturday for first Saturday mass, it was terrible to say the least. The priest made his procession like he was a celebrity walking to the stage. I struggled throughout the mass.
As someone who grew up in the NO that's the average NO experience in my Diocese.
They are completely different. Thanks for sharing. God bless!
A few Google reviews:
If you’re looking for a new up beat church, you have to visit Sacred Heart! This church is not your old school boring Catholic Mass!!! Masses are uplifting and the music is just beautiful! Makes you want to dance & bop in the pews! It’s like no other Catholic Church around… you try it once and you will be back! It’s like a new spin or a revitalized mass!!! ❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻
Loved the solar panels😊
Thank you for making a proper comparison video, Nick. It's important for people to remember that there's a reason why Trad commentators half-jokingly refer to the elusive Reverent Novus Ordo as "the Unicorn Novus Ordo." While a welcome step in the right direction, they are the exception, not the rule, and are far outnumbered by the ceremony on the right.
My NO Priest is amazing. Our Bishop has been wise to put the most orthodox Priests in the Parish Church in St Marys KS! Please keep praying for God’s will to be done. Whatever it may be. I love the TLM as well. No place is going to be perfect. Living and working near St. Marys has shown me that.
My hometown parish closest to me is like this NO, but luckily my college one is much more reverent and I enjoy it much more. Will be attending TLM at home from now on.
That NO priest is just a performer. The whole thing is soul destroying
In my personal experience the constant chatter and noise of the N.O. causes me irritation and raises my level of anxiety. It distracts my mind from prayer and Adoration. With anyone who suffers from PTSD or any other psychological disorder , the N.O. Mass only causes the symptoms to become more exasperated than usual. Unfortunately this is the only Mass that I Have Access to, and even more unfortunate is that it's held in an Anglican Church building.
Makes me so thankful in my area I have 4-5 very Rev No and an ICKSP Oratory within 40 minutes.
The Latin mass is so beautiful, I wish there was one near me in the UK. The No in the UK is not quite like the NO in America, it's more reserved. I pray the Latin Mass will be restored so more people can attend or have the opportunity to attend one.
At the church I attend one of the side chapels is set up for a Latin Mass, I think the priests must say it privately.
I live in the UK and there are TLM Masses in SSPX churches/chapels with Catholic traditional teachings.
@@ewa2524 I know, but they aren't available to all. I thought that would be obvious.
@
Yes, sure, depends where you live in the UK. If it is too far from where you live, maybe you could try to come to their Mass once a month or so.
Welcome to this communal celebration of the Eucharist. Today is the 6 millionth Sunday in ordinary time. Please stand for the entrance hymn, one bread on body, found in your breaking bread hymnal on page 666. Please stand
Fr fr
Diabolical 😂
As a TLM Catholic, every Catholic on both sides would be happy with this reform: 1. Ad orientum. 2. Gregorian chant. 3. Mass in the vernacular. 4. Altar rails. We don’t go to TLM because it’s in Latin. We go despite that.
I attended one of these NO Masses this past weekend, I'm done with ever attending one like it again, it won't last, it can't last.
Oh what we have lost!
Lord God Almighty, King of Heaven and Earth
We pray thee to preserve the Latin Mass in perpetuity as the Saints would recognize it in their day
May it's depth, richness and fullness draw ever more converts and lost Catholics to it's majesty
Heaven on Earth is never closer than during the Mass as it was intended
Please Lord protect it from those that would seek to destroy it
We are unworthy, we have been asleep, but so many are coming to the fullness of the Truth
We beg in your mercy to lift the veil so that those who are blind come to see,
that those who are deaf come to hear,
and those who are in darkness come to know the light which The Mass illumines in the soul
In nomine Jesu Christi, Amen.
Our Lady of Sorrows Pray for Us
Our Lady of Grace Pray for Us
Billions must attend the Novus Ordo
I never return to the Novus Ordo since.
I call that a “K-Love Mass.”
The NO "hymns" would probably be GREAT around the campfire at church camp.
I prefer the one on the left. Bergoglio prefers the one on the right.
Thank you for comparing the TLM to an average NO mass. This is more accurate than your typical clown mass video
Erm, this side by side comparison is skizmatikk
To improve this video, the only thing i can think of is to add captions as to the titles of prayers / part of the Mass being said (Prayers of the Faithful / Offertory etc.)
Good point!
TLM = BASED
My experience attending the TLM and the NO has been nothing like the versions presented in this video.
I’ve been a member of the SSPX for over 35 years I can’t get enough of the mass itself. I try to make it as much as possible when I’m not working, but the Novus ordo really doesn’t work for me. Toooo watered down.
Do you have a suggested reading list?
"The Plot Against the Church"
I need to make one. Do you have a particular subject in mind?
@@thetraditionalthomist introduction to traditional Catholic theology
@@thetraditionalthomist I’ve caught a couple of your suggestions(The Catholic Controversy, Controversies of the Christian Faith)through livestreams. I also remember you saying you had some books to suggest to the guest from The Catholic Convert on the TLM. I’m a fairly new convert. So understanding the church’s history and traditions better would be great.
@@thetraditionalthomist I would like a reading list of the Homilies of the Church Fathers.
I prefer in the seminary is spiritual, respectful, moving your heart to God , the N.J one : why the priest have to dance in the sanctuary? The music is for a Broadway Show , not for a sacrificial Mass, don’t tell me anything specially the singers trying to show they vocals “ abilities” SHAME. Francis cancelled the most beautiful adoration to God for a third class Protestant services
Both must be experienced to discern. Once that is honestly done, one must HUMBLY ask themselves is the Sacrifice of the Mass for me or for God. If you say God, then you have chosen the TLM.
The NO is so Protestant and loud.
I'm pretty sure I would have walked out of that N.O.
That’s rough 😬
With all charity, Idon’t know how anyone searching for the fullness of the faith can be content with the NO. It’s noise and busy but empty.
The feminist NO is repulsive
Any videos on Saint Pius X society?
Ceremonies Used in the Administration of the Sacraments, as taught in The Roman Catechism of Trent.
To (the matter and form) are added certain ceremonies. These cannot be omitted without sin,
unless in case of necessity; yet, if at any time they be omitted, the Sacrament is not thereby
invalidated, since the ceremonies do not pertain to its essence. It is not without good reason that
the administration of the Sacraments has been at all times, from the earliest ages of the Church,
accompanied with certain solemn rites.
There is, in the first place, the greatest propriety in manifesting such a religious reverence to the
sacred mysteries as to make it appear that holy things are handled by holy men.
Secondly, these ceremonies serve to display more fully the effects of the Sacraments, placing
them, as it were, before our eyes, and to impress more deeply on the minds of the faithful the
sanctity of these sacred institutions.
Thirdly, they elevate to sublime contemplation the minds of those who behold and observe them
with attention, and excite within them faith and charity.
To enable the faithful, therefore, to know and understand clearly the meaning of the ceremonies
made use of in the administration of each Sacrament should be an object of special care and
attention.
The new mass has been throughly stripped of everything that is Catholic. The untouched Eastern rites are much closer to the traditional mass.
Hi there,
I have a few questions if you have the time.
1. Is there a reason you didn't use the word "Average" to describe the Traditional Latin Mass?
2. When you use the word "Average" for the New Mass, are you making a statistical claim? I.e. of all of the New Masses held each day/month/year, 51% of them are run like this one?
3. Is this comparison for all countries, or just the US?
Thank you for your time in advance.
Novus Ordo in Asia and Africa are not like the clown mass on the right side.
I've been to both, and neither was like this. The TLM I attend is silent. The NO I attend doesn't have silly music (thankfully.)
The TLM you go to then is a Low Mass. I would not go to the NO.
How do you feel about TLM at ICKSP or FSSP parishes? I know some people almost refuse to even attend those and only exclusively SSPX.
The Mass itself is perfect because it is the Traditional rite. I am very thankful that those orders give pastoral care to millions of Catholics. That being said, I do think the groups (on paper) have issues, because they don't see any issues with the NO or the Council. That being said, I dont think they are evil men, and if they were the only TLM around I would go. I hope that makes sense.
@ Yeah man that makes sense and I actually agree with that. But I feel like some of them secretly don’t agree with the NO or the council but just don’t say anything in hopes that they don’t get labeled schismatic or whatever else.
@@thetraditionalthomist I’m sure they see issues. What they don’t do is speak out or be critical. The charity of St. Francis de Sales. If you cannot say anything charitable then don’t say anything - comes to
mind.
@@thetraditionalthomist"on paper" is correct. I know FSSP priests who have grave issues with the NO.
@@TradCatholicWoman
Hopefully, they’re never forced to offer the New Mass. if it happened, I doubt even half would cave in.
As for the Council Documents - Sometimes I wonder if Pope Francis has even read them. He violates them more than anyone.
Do you think a small rural parish can afford an organ?
Maybe not, but for a TLM High Mass, you just need one good cantor.
We as Americans forget how expensive some of the vestments, ornaments, and musical equipment are. Just a beautiful space itself and the property a church sits on is ungodly expensive today.
Our projection of problems is totally first world.....
That being said, the Novus Ordo at 90% of parishes is garbage, Latin and Traditional English would do wonders for Eucharistic prayer 1. Some of the most reverent masses I have been to were Low masses. Communion rails and ad Orientum would do wonders for the liturgy.
The 30 years after Vatican 2 saw the construction of the ugliest suburban parish buildings the world has seen. I get it, it will take even more precious money to "beautify" them.
What I'm trying to say is this cherry picked theme is extremely long hanging fruit, kind of petty. You pull from ugly Novus Ordo masses, the TLM today is beautiful because those few parishes that use it have a great love for it. It's really not that simple, I don't believe you are that stupid.
Some prefer the organ while some prefer the piano while some prefer the guitar while some like more incense while some others not so much; some like a more of a somber form of worship while others more of an upbeat worship you could say. Personally I like the piano when done properly. I could worship in both settings because I choose to enter into the mass. The only thing that would keep me away from one form or the other is if the priest doesn't have the faculties to say mass and thus is not under a Bishop with ordinary jurisdiction. Bottom line is I would subject my preference to what is properly a catholic church.
Ordinary jurisdiction means essentially nothing right now. The German pro-sodomy bishops have Ordinary jurisdiction. Fr. James Martin has Ordinary Jurisdiction. Bishops that pray with Jews and Muslims have ordinary Jurisdiction. Bishops that give Biden have Ordinary Jurisdiction. Church positive law is subordinate to divine law and the Catholic faith.
@@thetraditionalthomist As Christ alone chooses and sends the apostles, so the Vicar of Christ alone chooses and sends their successors. That is part of the Divine law. You and I may not like some of those decisions as some may be Judas, but we're not Donatists, we adhere to Gods order and God's providence and will will be done.
This is not the average New Mass. The average is far better
Having been exposed to the NO over 40 years across the US, it is absolutely a fair (if not outright charitable) representation of the average NO mass in the US
@@kevinwelfel313 Interesting. I'm a convert of only a year so I haven't visited many parishes but in my area at least, the average NO is WAY better than this one. I still however much prefer the Traditional Mass.
Consider yourself very blessed then, haha. This is slightly below average compared to most N.O. Masses in my area, but only slightly, and really only because the music in this clip is particularly grating and the participants feel very performative. The overall structure and elements are all the same though.
@@cole_07_30 Imagine traveling across the US and having to play whack-a-mole of “am I going to find a decent Mass this time.”
Worse, revisiting the same location some time later just to find the mass is completely different simply because a new priests “preferences” were 180 out.
@@cole_07_30 I'd recommend a good book you might find helpful. Read "The Problem with the Liturgical Reform". Very good and eye-opening book.