I added 3 Pinnacle Monk to my lands to help feed the Phoenix's Bestow cost, just in case. It's 5cmc plus any of the 1 drops is perfect for paying the cost.
"We regret having to reban faithless looting. We knew it wouldn't be broken anymore, but unfortunately we didn't foresee that it would make several archetypes overly consistent. Just to reiterate, the power level of Looting is OK for Modern now, but the consistency it offers made it too ubiquitous and therefore we have decided to reinstate the ban"
I know it’s a meme post, but if looting was as played as the one ring, it’s still the best time line. Looting doesn’t give you protection (for 4 turns in a row, because you draw 4 rings). It’s just an enabler
Isn't there already a fixed version of looting? Like a legacy card for U mana you do the same thing but no flashback. I can't believe they never tried making that one legal instead, or printing a slightly different version.
Red no longer gets draw-then-discard, so Spike’s idea would not be in line with the current color pie. Though not everyone in R&D is a color pie purist; there’s a possibility some heretic prints this anyway.
@@suntzu6122 No they don't. Everything recent is discard, then draw to differentiate it from blue looting. See Artist's Talent, Bitter Reunion, Charming Prince, Fear of Missing Out, Flamecache Gecko, Witch's Mark, Incinerating Blast, and a bunch of others.
I think the choice to keep ox is questionable, I'd rather have bolt in those slots so that you have some interaction (primarily for Bowmasters, that card seems to have given you a lot of trouble) Ox is just really slow for how fast the deck wants to go and it's not a good card game 2 because it really sucks against graveyard hate. I'd rather have bolt to finish the opponent off (it's also another card type for your fomo) I've seen some hollowvine lists go down to 3 phoenix because having multiples kinda sucks, so that you can run 3 bolt. It also frees up some sideboard slots so you don't have to run 4 unholy heat. If you're worried about haste you can go up to 3 arenas.
I used to play asmo but the biggest problem is she takes up too much deckspace, especially since the new additions the deck is really crammed for room and cookbook is a really underwhelming card. You can do so much better. The deck has plenty of big threats and discard outlets, spike's list does lack removal but I think it's much better to run bolt instead of ox. After that theres no real reason to run asmo
@@nikhilchhagan7371 i think i might run just the one, spike mentions the 2 color build being better i totally agree, w the random discards and what not. I'm currently playing playing both blood ghast and vengevine, ive been liking the game 1s. Game 2 tho makes me wanna pull some number of both or 1 entirely out. For exactly the mana being wonky.
“People don’t realize there’s a lot of ways you could design these cards” Like simply printing a copy of looting without flashback. Would remove an unnecessary upside to the card and it would still be the best card in modern.
If somebody of letting you keep it off an Arena of Glory then that's a terrible play on their part. If they're close enough to lethal that they have to, then you've already won. Adept usually has the same body or bigger , evasion, and doesn't give your opponent the option to "Dismember" it.
They hate you because you spoke the truth. Only so long that generating 14 power on T2, then dying on T3 because artifacts drew and played 14 spells can be fun. Without appropriate counterplay (which, who knows) y'all are in for a pretty fucked T2 format.
I added 3 Pinnacle Monk to my lands to help feed the Phoenix's Bestow cost, just in case. It's 5cmc plus any of the 1 drops is perfect for paying the cost.
Does the life loss catch up with you ever?
"We regret having to reban faithless looting. We knew it wouldn't be broken anymore, but unfortunately we didn't foresee that it would make several archetypes overly consistent.
Just to reiterate, the power level of Looting is OK for Modern now, but the consistency it offers made it too ubiquitous and therefore we have decided to reinstate the ban"
I know it’s a meme post, but if looting was as played as the one ring, it’s still the best time line. Looting doesn’t give you protection (for 4 turns in a row, because you draw 4 rings). It’s just an enabler
@skykur it's probably worse though because it's an enabler for broadly linear combo decks versus midrange/control/fair decks
@@iamdadodo
There were a few combo decks that played it as well
Isn't there already a fixed version of looting? Like a legacy card for U mana you do the same thing but no flashback. I can't believe they never tried making that one legal instead, or printing a slightly different version.
Spike's mind is like a Modern GTP Library
Dear Wotc, please print faithful rummaging;
Discard 2, draw 2
Thank you for your time
It's way too good for dredge.
Careful study :D
I think it was spike who suggested R: SORCERY (maybe even instant). Draw 1 discard 1. Flashback 1R
Red no longer gets draw-then-discard, so Spike’s idea would not be in line with the current color pie. Though not everyone in R&D is a color pie purist; there’s a possibility some heretic prints this anyway.
@@JPuree red has draw then discard all the time wym?
@@suntzu6122 No they don't. Everything recent is discard, then draw to differentiate it from blue looting.
See Artist's Talent, Bitter Reunion, Charming Prince, Fear of Missing Out, Flamecache Gecko, Witch's Mark, Incinerating Blast, and a bunch of others.
I think the choice to keep ox is questionable, I'd rather have bolt in those slots so that you have some interaction (primarily for Bowmasters, that card seems to have given you a lot of trouble)
Ox is just really slow for how fast the deck wants to go and it's not a good card game 2 because it really sucks against graveyard hate. I'd rather have bolt to finish the opponent off (it's also another card type for your fomo)
I've seen some hollowvine lists go down to 3 phoenix because having multiples kinda sucks, so that you can run 3 bolt. It also frees up some sideboard slots so you don't have to run 4 unholy heat. If you're worried about haste you can go up to 3 arenas.
Holy crank, we are so back
some number of gut shots could be cute for bowmasters
I used to play a list with asmo instead of the new cards (phoenix, fomo). Could that still work with the new cards?
I used to play asmo but the biggest problem is she takes up too much deckspace, especially since the new additions the deck is really crammed for room and cookbook is a really underwhelming card. You can do so much better.
The deck has plenty of big threats and discard outlets, spike's list does lack removal but I think it's much better to run bolt instead of ox. After that theres no real reason to run asmo
Sure 😊
"I'M A GOOD MAN DON'T SPELL PIERCE ME" had me rolling
This is the first time in years I see Vengevine being good in modern. How fun is that 😊😊😊😊😊
Looks like a budget version of vintage Bazaar of Baghdad deck one of the two flavors
Rita Repulsa meme. It's time to conquer modern!
Ive played a similar build and i took ox out because i felt it didnt play well with phoienx and fomo.
I think you need some number as an option for longer games
@@nikhilchhagan7371 i think i might run just the one, spike mentions the 2 color build being better i totally agree, w the random discards and what not. I'm currently playing playing both blood ghast and vengevine, ive been liking the game 1s. Game 2 tho makes me wanna pull some number of both or 1 entirely out. For exactly the mana being wonky.
Take a shot every time spike says " we are so back "
2025 and we're playing vengevine/hollow one. who'd've thought
16:00 why goblin lore and not play fomo to get guaranteed value?
Is Anje's Ravager playable in this decklist?
Not legal in modern
Love you
I think people don't respect the power of Faithless Looting because too many people force it into decks that can't use it properly.
14:20 bar
“People don’t realize there’s a lot of ways you could design these cards”
Like simply printing a copy of looting without flashback. Would remove an unnecessary upside to the card and it would still be the best card in modern.
Any shot you occasionally do some standard again?
Now that this is going on? I'd expect IFF it was to test for an event.
does anyone remember the days infect played twisted image to kill 0/X's That is what i was thinking about when I saw thing in the ice
darkblast will greatly help against bowmaster
ive been rocking vexing devil over flamebale adept low cost etb and if it stays on the board you can arena of glory it..
If somebody of letting you keep it off an Arena of Glory then that's a terrible play on their part. If they're close enough to lethal that they have to, then you've already won. Adept usually has the same body or bigger , evasion, and doesn't give your opponent the option to "Dismember" it.
Also I haven’t seen a ragavan in at least a month
"Triomes are unplayable"
"Nice nihil spellbomb nerd"
Loses to deck with triome and nihil spellbomb.
Please let my pet deck be good. My friend and I tried archelight phoenix instead of vengevine and that deck was Hella silly
At this rate I'm expecting cloud post to be unbanned sometime next year
What if we played razorkin needlehead in place of bowmaster?
Spike being positive about looksmaxxing and singing stay with me? this truly is the best timeline
what
Fun today sure, my guess is that the whining starts by mid to late January and WOTC will get bullied into more bans/unbans....
You sure seem fun to be around..
That's a tomorrow issue. Just have fun nerd
They hate you because you spoke the truth. Only so long that generating 14 power on T2, then dying on T3 because artifacts drew and played 14 spells can be fun. Without appropriate counterplay (which, who knows) y'all are in for a pretty fucked T2 format.