The Inevitable War Between Huron And Abaddon - 40K Theories
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- Huron Blackheart and Abaddon the Despoiler are quite possibly two of the greatest and most successful Chaos Lords to have ever existed. But what could happen should the two ever go to war against one another?
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A black legion vs red corsairs raider style chaos war between each other while the imperium is busy dealing with different xenos threats would be awesome.
Red corsages ftw
Fabius finna steal win
Abaddons vs Huron vs Octarius Tyranids
GUILLOMAN FORCES VS necrons vs Pacificus Tyranids
Lion vs other chaos forces vs orks/Ghazghull armada
That is only the best thing I’ve heard in a while
Maybe we could get a skull harvest champ model, or a hunt master model
So long as the black legion dont ask the Red corsairs to pay taxes im sure they will get along
Taxes are theft
Its funny how the badab war only started because taxes kinda like irl with American revolution
😅
Violent Libertarians!
oh god, now I'm imagining Huron waving a Gadsen flag and screaming "TAXATION IS THEFT! I DO NOT CONSENT! I AM A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN OF CHAOS!"
I'd like to see a brief conflict between the two, just to show how awesome Huron is and to let the GW writers actually show why Abaddon is in charge.
Nah Huron is a beast and to top it off he has a good reason for betraying the imperium
Abbadon has bullshit tier plot armour.
But yes , Huron is the better character
It's likely Huron would just die for the sake of Abaddon's plot armor. Unless ADB writes this story. :/
As long as Huron gets a new model to go along with the story I don’t mind, lol
I love the idea of a chaos civil war if it includes a loyalist primarch coming out the warp with a prevervbial steel chair.
The chaos gods: "You can do this Huorn my boy"....A few moments later at the bookmaker.."All souls on Abaddon!"
Reminder from the Badab War, the Astral Claws were adept at playing with geneseed. So not impossible that they have managed to maintain a relatively pure reserve and growing it further with raids. During the Badab War they, from casualty reports, numbered over 6000 marines, built up over the span of just a few centuries, while not arousing suspiscions for multiple of those.
as I recall, in Huron's book they mention the struggles with maintaining geneseed -- this makes sense as they would have lost most of it in the Badab War and then living in a warp rift would make keeping it pure would make it that much harder to maintain.
Don't forget about the fall of Vilamus where they got all the gene seed of the Marines errant.
In terms of ship numbers, the Red Corsairs are reported to surpass any other chaos warband/legion. I would imagine in a space battle the Red Corsairs would have an edge, not just in numbers but experience as well. The Black Legion meanwhile would have an edge in the number of Astartes (not to mention all the other warbands they've essentially vassalized) they could deploy. Abaddon would likely want to either ambush the Red Corsairs (and overwhelm with boarding actions) or force them into a conflict planet side where he could grind them down.
The Vengeful Spirit alone would likely smoke the corsair's fleet
@@garlicbumsnatch8454 not to mention other flagships of the primarchs and the primarchs themselves
In the second black legion book, the vengeful spirit is seen to be able to duel the entire black templar fleet singlehandedly. Unless the red corsairs also have a gloriana class, their fleet is beaten easily.
While I like the red corsairs, with their current numbers and equipment, they stand literally no chance.
@DarthAxolotl I'm lacking context. How big was the Black Templar fleet? Because if it was a large fleet, not gonna lie, that's really dumb. I get that a lot of things in 40k are silly and power scaling is incredibly inconsistent but that's pretty silly
For example, Guilliman destroyed an Abyss class battleship and was putting the hurt pretty substantially on the Conquerer with smaller ships he managed to scrape together after the battle of Calth and mosquito tactics. There's no reason that a fleet couldn't handle one ship unless they were understrength, poorly led (which I doubt unless the BTs kept trying to get into melee with it), or just crazy Warp shenanigans going on at the same time that put the advantage on Chao's side
The vassal Warbands might turn out to be more of a liability than a boon in a war against a major Rival to the warmaster. They are barely reliable alllies, when fighting the imperium. Honestly i doubt the traitor Primarchs would help him with this. Most of them hate Abaddon with a passion and would love to ally with the red corsairs for the chance to break his control of the eye of terror. The rest simply wouldnt help him for anything short of a black crusade. The petty warbands might simply be bribed and the pockets of the corsairs are ought to be deep.
The simplest solution for the Imperium is to tell Ghazghull that Yarricks killer is amongst those two warbands. That would make one hell of a scrap.
hurons rise was because of orks to begin w
im sure he would absolutely not fuck around w them and wouldn’t even give them a chance
A teamup between Perturabo and the corsairs to smash the black legion would be legendary
Cool, but unlikely. The third Arks of Omen book mentions that Perturabo gave Vashtorr a contingent of Iron Warriors to help him in his bid to be 5th Chaos God. So in a hypothetical Chaos civil war, the IW would probably side with the Black Legion.
Kinda curious if either of them are gonna try to deal with the nids. Cause I doubt Abby is gonna take the idea of the bugs denying him his vengance and crown well.
I said as much in another thread. The Nids are existential threat to Chaos. I'd like to see Abby send Perty to hit the bugs. I had a lot to say about Perty's return but the short version here is that his style of fighting would be well suited to bug smashing. He loves massive firepower, heavy armor and he loves wars of attrition. Also, unless he's changed dramatically since the Heresy, he never used much in the war of warp powers in his army. Iron is his god of choice.
@@Elthenar So Perty has solved the riddle of steel?
@@gasmonkey1000 Perty is the answer to the riddle of steel.
@@ElthenarSounds like a perty fanboy.
GW obviously won't use perty as the bug smasher, they'll use Vashtor to do so.
@@Benthesniperof8 *Has flashbacks to all the battle reports where Vashtor got his shit ran by Admech despite the Admech's shitty rules.*
Maybe not Vashtor
If there is no plot armor involved then my money is on the Corsairs for one reason. In the Night Lords stories they were used by both sides. Abaddon used them as grunts and nothing else while Huron utilized them as they were designed to be. Infiltration terror units.
Abaddon doesn't care if Night Lords die. Huron cares if his expensive mercenaries do their job. Abaddon has his own favored terror and infiltration troops, the Warband of Talos aren't even his allies in name. If they mattered to his plans Abaddon would've wielded them effectively
The Night Lords wanting desperately to smash the little familiar skittering along Huron's back was a great part of the trilogy.
As much as these two may hate each other, they are technically allies. I doubt either one would be foolish enough to start a war with the other until after their common enemies are dealt with.
Perhaps not, but it's always fun to speculate. Especially with Huron's comments regarding how a Warmaster can fall again.
Yeah allies never turn on each other especially not chaos :X never happens
Sanity is for the weak!
More blood for the Blood God!
Start? No, but if it happened, they'd be pushed into it to prove themselves the dominant force.
I'd put my money to Huron in a military conflict, Abbadon is too prone to rash and wasteful decisions if he isn't winning a fight.
It's Chaos, logical decision making is not a specialty.
Huron is a man who can come back from nothing and with his pact with the Dark Powers grant him strength above strength. As long as he keeps delivering and and never gives in I believe he will forever fight on until his death. I can see him ascending as a true champion of Chaos Undivided.
Blackheart was known in Badab for hiding his strengths, tiger claws into astral claws anyone, and this strategy probably deepened in his fall to chaos. Any projections of the red corsair's strength I will conservatively add 30% to that.
He only killed Sigismund while wearing terminator armor with Horus' claws and Sigismund was literally aged 1000 years. While Abaddon was basically only a few years (due to warp whateverness) older.
This was back before he was swollen with the power of the chaos gods, and became the wielder of Drachnyen (or however you spell it).
Also, terminator armour was arguably a disadvantage in the duel, slowing his movements down. Even so, Sigismund was on the back foot for the entire fight, and only managed to wound Abaddon due to extreme (second only to a primarch) skill and luck.
@blandedgear9704 Abbadon when described by Loken is described as being as fast as a regular astartes even with terminator armour on
Loyalist cope
@@jakehughes6087 "even with terminator plate on" - ie he would have been more fast without it
@@blandedgear9704you said it. Wow people really like to play up that Abaddon never Beat sigusmund in his prime. Abaddon was nowhere near his prime when the two fought.Abandon now would stomp prime Sigmund and it wouldn’t even be close.
To be honest it's unlikely these two fight one another as long as Imperium still strong, they can't afford to be weakened while Imperium seeks to wipe them out .
would be a sound argument. But this is chaos. The only reason why imperium fends them off for 10k years IS because they fight among eachother at the least ideal times. Every moment of every operation there is someone looking up to gain their gods favour or to grab power. Like Chaos gods and their great game. You want to be at the top but at the same time you need to make sure everyone else stays at the bottom. So it's an endless loop of Crabs in a bucket. Everyone trys to get out but also make sure no one gets out. Horus Heresy was supposed to be a slam dunk. But all chaos rebels wandered off to their own shenanigans. some betrayed their cause. Fall of Cadia was barely a success because Abaddon threw the fortress at the planet after Imperium beat him off after forces of chaos once again started to spread to do their own shenanigans. Khornites went off to save BA from nids so nids dont killsteal them. Basicly the only reason why this husk of an Imperium keeps livin is because Chaos is a power that cripples itself.
The Red Corsairs have amazing leadership in organisation, cohesion and tactics. It's no wonder many flock to their banners, success breeds success.
It would be satisfying for Huron to call out abbadon on all his failures before ripping out his hearts with his power claw where sigismund failed in his strikes upon them.
Abaddon and Huron are an interesting study in contrasts. On the surface they're both brutal warlords and conquerers, each the undisputed lord of a legion's worth of traitor Astartes who pose terrible threats to the galaxy as a whole. But Abaddon's all about the long game, he's the man destined to tear down the Emperor and His Imperium so he can conquer it for himself, as he feels is his right. A true visionary, in his own awful way. Huron however seems to be a lot more materially concerned and doesn't seem to care as much about the whole Long War business, as much as he is about expanding and ruling his own empire around the Maelstrom. The man holds giant festivals where he gives away entire armies to aspiring champions, all for the sake of his massive ego, for pities' sake. And while Abaddon is the closest thing to royalty among the old traitor legions (relatively speaking of course, many among them hate his guts), Huron is a jumped up Noveau Riche by comparison, held in contempt by a lot of the old guard in the traitor legions, though as much tinged with envy as it is scorn. I'd like to see the dynamic between these two explored further, I feel like there's a lot of fun to be had looking at how these two would go forward interacting with one another, especially given the insanity and mayhem sweeping the galaxy at the moment. Could lead to an interesting shift in the balance of power between them depending on how things turn out...
I'd like to see Huron just steal one of Abaddons best ships, while just waving and going "You'll remember this day as the day you almost capture Captain Huron Blackheart"
And then get obliterated by the Planet Killer
I am glad to hear your voice once more! Huron will always be more interesting to me than Abby, he just has too much plot armor
Abby shit and Huron will dumpster Abby in voidwar hands down
Personally I would love to see a Chaos civil war. It would shake the setting up and I would love to see some of the Traitor Legions pick sides.
Love it! It's like and old school 40k theories!! We want more!!
This actually seems like an amazing premise for a new Crusade book. Huron gets whispers from his familiar that Abaddon's collaboration with Vashtorr has harmed his favor with the Gods, and so Huron gets the idea that the position of Warmaster is up for grabs, so now they duke it out, and all the other Chaos Legions get to have a big brawling jamboree that's different from their typical infighting born from the Great Game.
Maybe Vashtorr being tied up in the Pariah Nexus could justify why the Red Corsairs have more of an edge.
Alright, this whole scuffle could end three ways:
1. Abaddon kills Huron and GW kills yet another bloved Chaos character for the sake of the plot.
2. Huron kills Abaddon and takes control of the greatest Chaos force in the Galaxy (but it's _very_ unlikely to happen).
3. Abaddon defeats and shames Huron to keep him at his side as an underling. A tactically sound choice, and quite plausible given Abaddon's respect for strength and warrior's honor. This would actually improve Abaddon's character in my eyes.
I'm amazed that that's Samoa Joe's voice right there.
The High Lords putting the Astral Claws in charge of Maelstrom highly suggests that they are either Imperial Fists or most likely Ultramarine stock. Though them going after White Scars homeworld may, I stress may suggest they are in fact distant White Scar successors. Though I have always felt that Blackheart has been in GW's back pocket should Abaddon prove less than profitable. Now that I think it about it, that makes GW sound like the 4 Chaos Gods themselves.
I mean the truth of the 40k setting, the deepest part of the iceburg, is that we the players and fans are the laughing, thirsting gods for which all present toil and die for the favor of.
I think they chose to hit the White scars, only for soft payback about the Mantis Warriors, that and the White Scars have resources Huron can quickly take and back out when he feels its time, he is DEEPLY aware of how White Scars work due to the Mantis Warriors, being both observant to it, and victim.
Heard something about them either being Dark Angels or Ultramarines
Samoa Joe?! Wow! Didn't see that coming. I knew he was a gamer, but didn't know he was into 40k.
Abaddon keeps forgetting his title is based off might, he has to actually stay above and beyond to be the Leader.
Yes and for 30 odd years we have never ever had to see him prove his might against anyone who might challenge his leadership. Boooooooooooring. "He is just bestest because we said so" - GW
@@samhobbs9116If anything, You think Chaos would make good generals as getting your soul tentacled is a good work motivation.
@@samhobbs9116The only time we saw something is in Black Legion book where a Death Guard was rivaling his claim as Chaos Warlord.
@AAhmou OK so 1 time. Should be every week.
Abby got his ass handed to him by an elf wizard
Huron and Abaddon will fuse together.
The magma of our soul burns with a mighty flame! Super Ultra Combining: Huron Abaddon!!
Do the impossible
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Raw! raw!
Fight the power!
Touch the untoucheable
Break the unbreakable
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wow, I was not expecting to see Gurren Lagann reference! 😂
Love the new vid & intro!
Glad to see a new vid again!
In the maelstrom
Huron: allright gentlemen, thank you for joining me on our pre civil war seminar. You will find our battleplans on chapter 3,as the first 2 is a foreword from traitor astartes. Now,for the worshipers of chaos,we are not going to constantly worship,we have sermons held every few days on weekends. Deal with it. Now,is everyone in agreement on putting abbadon on his ass?
Red corsairs:YEAH!
Huron:now,if we face abbadon,i want snipers trained to put bullets in him 1st chance given. Aditionaly i want sorcerers ready to bind him,while my honor guard,and our more stealthly inclined marines will go fo the kill.
In the warp
Tzeench:...holy fuck this man is good. ...why is that a good and surprisingly well thought out plan??
Is the Ultramarine Geneseed😉😁.
Korn: i really wanted rowboat
Love the new introduction Rem!
This would be a cool direction for the lore, and it would make sense that chaos factions would quarrel rather than always be harmonious buddies all the time - but I don't give the writers credit to ever do anything like this. I get the impression ever lore decision they make is towards everything stacking up against the Imperium, and being the most serious threat it can be for them to deal with. It's generally rare to see any faction be an antagonist to anything other than the Imperium, much less to be one to itself.
"Bested Sigismund" Yes, that's what we'll call Failbaddon's ass kicking vs a 1000 year old slow Sigismund.
An older and far more experienced Sigismund ;)
@@40KTheories An older and far more experienced and much slower and weaker Sigismund who only lost do to plot armor after impaling Failbaddon.
Two videos in one day. AWESOME!
Great vid!
I love your line delivery.
Abaddon has too many packs with other warbands as well as daemons. Tho while there are imperial necks to slit dealing with Huron is probably an afterthought, one that may come back to bite him, but still an afterthought.
The Black Legion numbers remind me of every juvenile delinquent who wears gang colors.
The novels have said that Abaddon doesn't really "command their loyalty", but instead they go along for hopes of loot or an opportunity to get something else out of it.
He doesn't exercise authoritative control of the whole body, many wouldn't even come of he asked.
A lot of his number at more loyal to warband, unit commander, or chaos god.
Given that most of the pre-heresy Sons of Horus were actually recruited from Cthonian gangs, they quite literally are juvenile delinquents upon induction to the Legion.
@@HaloFTW55, true!!!
Then transformed into a real legion.
Current Black Legion is little more than a marketing ploy.
Abaddon " I want a casualty report!!"
"Dave has a nose bleed sir" lol
The intro has improved a lot over the years.
HURON! HURON! HE'S OUR MAN! IF HE CAN'T DO IT, NO ONE CAN!
probably.
Dont underestimate Huron. He showed himself to be quite capable during the Badab War. I also wonder if Abbadon would take a conflict with Huron seriously enough to fully mobilize his full strength. I also see Huron as being the instigator in such a conflict and would have a plan of action for it.
I'd honestly like to see a conversation between Guilliman and Huron. Considering how G was treated on his return, i could see an offer of forgiveness and bringing back to the fold. Huron is kinda like G anyway considering how he was conducting himself before his own fall.
Plus its very likely he might be his Primarch aswell
@@samrein9919 i remember that bit of rumor as well. Mainly because Huron was a logistical genius as well
Haven't the White Scars stalled the advance of the Red Corsairs? If a single chapter of the sons of the Khagan have stopped the Corsairs, what hope does Huron have against the warmaster?
You say that..... but Fall of Cadia was nearly prevented mostly by the guard....So Abaddon isnt so high and mighty either. Arks of Omen dont really count because they are spread to all chaos warbands not just Black legion.
@@_NutcasE_ It well could be that GW doesn't care to advance that storyline so the campaign has stalled, but for whatever reason Huron will need some more time in the spotlight to truly have a shot a abandon
@@_NutcasE_cadia was a necron world and a human fortress world.
@@YourSocialistAutomaton and? Its a singular imperial world. And abaddon attacked it with all he had. A singular guard world stood against multiple chaos legions and nearly won. This is no Macragge and after winning tightly by throwing a blackstone fortress away this knothead goes "hey maybe we can take ultramar!"
Abbadon isn't fast
Two @40kTheories videos in one night? Praise the Emperor!
I think, a war for the titel of warmaster would be a bit refreshing. I was never a big fan of failbaddon, mainly because the fantasy "equivalent" has shown more than enough how its done, and because i cant quite ignore the fact that Abby is still only a space marine, buffed up by all chaos gods. Now imagine one of the unaligned primarchs getting that treatment. Technically they already are buffed by becoming demon princes, but come on man, they are or should be way more competent in every way, even before demonhood and everything. So still, even after reading all the lore about it, i still dont get why he is the warmaster.
Emperor be Praised! A 40k Theories video.
Would be fitting that the Huron the "son of guiliman" (his geneseed) being the arch tratior who rivals Guiliman. Just like Horus to The Emperor
Great Video 👍
Now I want to see Abaddon do maths on how hes gonna win between him and Huron just like Scott Steiner did.
Huron: The Tax Evader vs Abaddon the Despoiler
I imagine a lot of the other chaos forces and their Primarchs would love Abaddon to be embarrassed by Huron.
New intro music is awesome!
Abaddon has the support of the demon primarchs and I doubt that huorn would be able to get that...mortarion would smoke Huorn in one of his incense burners, magnus would turn him into a fancy book cover, angron would mash him into smooth Red paste and fulgrim would show Huorn what he hides in the bottom drawer of his nightstand
Abaddon is the chosen of chaos but that is not a secured position. if Huron shows more promise than armlesdon then that can shift. Not to mention the primarchs are not under Abaddons rule. They are the gods catalysts. So if Abaddon can get the gods favour the primarchs will help him....... Which they are not doing.... Angron is just a wave of rage going around where Khorne wants him. Fulgrim is doing his own shit to the point that abaddon is getting angry, Magnus has done fuck all for chaos at all beyond attacking space wolves. Perturabo is an armsdealer that basicly treats Abfailon as a small tier customer. Lorgar is hiding from an angry raven and Mortarion is effectively just doing nurgles will, Which doesnt align with Abaddon, And he is now in naughty corner for disobeying and losing to the Emperor/guilliman and getting nurgles garden burned.
I think "support" is a bit of a stretch. To put it mildly they don't like Abaddon, and they like even less the idea of someone bossing them around. Mortarion didn't obey Nurgle himself and is in big trouble for it, do you think he will be happy serving some human? Fulgrim has the attention span of a 3 year-old child and doesn't concern himself with absolutely anything at all. Angron is completely uncontrollable. Magnus had to be bullied into submission by a black legionnaire Mary Sue.
Huron is extremely powerhungry, arrogant, and volatile. He will not allow to be turned into a random commander far below Abaddon. He might not be able to win an full-out war against him, but he can still cripple large amounts of Abaddon's forces and still remain a threat. Not to mention his vast logistics capabilities would be denied to Abaddon.
@@Fullgrym I agree Huron might "lose" but he will not be defeated, he may be forced back, but honestly his true network is unlikely to be ever taken out, and I doubt the Chaos Gods will let it be easy. After-all they get bribed quite well by Huron to ensure he lives, he isn't dumb enough to ask for more when it comes to Abby the Softie, whom he can just avoid true combat with, and instead make a "Fuck me over, and I screw you over." which suits their bosses quite fine. More blood, more passion, more treachery, and more death. the gods get their due and won't let the farm end.
The black Legion has a larger force compared to the red corsairs, as stated in Blood Reaver, Talos stated to Huron that his forces are comparable or 2nd to the black Legion.
To witness these two forces combat one another would be interesting, to what levels would they devolve into. Even more so if the Orks have any say about it
Chaos gods, Gork and Mork, Eldar gods away from Slaaneesh, and The Emperor: Damn Khorne you are a genius to set this fight
Tying up Chaos’ forces while the Imperium is having a bad time, seems like a decent way of stalling chaos before 11th Edition.
Whenever Huron has a good idea at the Chaos Meeting: "The intern has a point."
I think it'd break the setting if there was a showdown and they calmly negotiate that Abaddon head toward Terra while Huron wrecks face elsewhere. Would love to see Huron unlock the blackstone fortress, be the ex machina that saves Guilliman somehow, then leave as the news filters through to G-man that terra has fallen.
I know you've been dying to do this one Rem! Huron is definitely more interesting compared to Abaddon and definitely more fun but you absolutely nailed the comparisons between the two. I'd love to see this conflict become a reality but I'm sure GW won't move on it. #TeamHuron 🤘
I never thought about this situation but it does makes sense, it's building it self up to a massive Class. Great work as always!
Awesome, I'm glad we are talking about the Red Corsairs again
God imagine how metal the art from their factions fighting would look
I’m sort of coin-flipping on either faction maintaining such a massive growth.
Given that the Black Legion has and assumedly continues to draw on recruits via subordinating other warbands and alliances with the remaining Traitor Legions to supplement their numbers where the Red Corsairs draw more from Renegade Chapters, defectors from other warbands and geneseed theft.
I can certainly buy the Red Corsairs having superior genestock considering the purity of geneseed they have access to, alongside their own having less long-term corruption having spent less than 2,000 years in and around the Maelstrom compared to the 10,000 years spent in the Eye of Terror, but I don’t really buy their numbers growing so exponentially solely on the basis of defection and suborning Renegade Chapters.
That said I do agree that the Red Corsairs hold a strategic and tactical advantage in comparison owing to the general lack of discipline in the Black Legion.
Abaddon typically directs subordinate warbands and companies to a front and let’s them handle it. Whether or not they follow their orders either to the letter or to the spirit is uncommon.
...Huron doesn't need plott armor to be capable ( even Night Lords were able to work with him to great effect). Abbadon is also more careless in terms of losses, & that doesn't do much for the loyalty of one's forces.
abaddon is clearly not thinking or planning while hurons biggest threat is he is planning ahead thinking and plotting how to win with few losses and uses allies competently
@@karljohan2300Abbadon is thinking and planning long term. Huron only cares for the short term
@@Xynth25after 10000 years that long term plan is lookin more like random tantrums and fuckin off
@@dualityomk9854 Sorry the writing hasn't made up for 35 years of corporate marketing saying we have to show the facists as the never losing good guys for you.
@@Xynth25 well i guess if you take his pathetic black crusades where only like 5 where of actual use and especially th elast one as far planning
GW does not take lore in logical directions, We thought that there would be a clash between Angron and Ghazghkull as well.
Despite being on almost as much life support as The Big E, I feel Huron should replace Failbaddon.
I mean he actually knows how to use the Legions to their strengths. Best example being using the Night Lords to use their terror tactics, rather than as Frontline fighters like Failbaddon did.
The Battle of Lupercal's Bastards.
If it's Battle of The Bastards, which one's Jon and which one's Ramsey?
@@40KTheoriesHuron is definitely Jon. Abby is a punk azz b like Ramsey 😂
Oooh, like the new music!
Honestly it's kinda like that Season 3 episode of The Boondocks. "Hateocracy" there's a line in there that sums up a LOT of Chaos Warbands in a nutshell:
"Now we hated each other right away! ...But we hated everyone else even more!"
That's basically it. Plus, they both know that they'd be risking a LOT for very little gain. Huron basically said in that quote "Try me, b*tch." Whilst putting a hand on the hilt of his weapon.
new intro, sweet
That chaos gate music. Oof 👌🏻 perfect.
I'm waiting for the point at the height of the battle where Huron shouts a one liner about being harmless, and abbadons whole arm and power claw just FUCKING FALLS OF NO MATTER HOW DEEP I PINNED IT OR HARD I GLUED IT...
Sorry, think I had a flashback for a second then, what was I saying?
It would be nice to see Abaddon get kicked down a peg or two. Especially after what he did to the Nightlords.
Always felt like Abaddon was an Archaon the Everchosen-wannabe. He's got heavy plot armor, a big fated ultrastrong demon sword, gifts from the gods and stuff. Huron feels like an evil but cunning and selfish bastard that's clever enough to fully use the strengh of OTHER chaos legions not like Abaddon who's like "I am strong and i use MY brute strenght to crush you". I'd frankly prefer to have Huron as leader as i feel we'd see chaos in a way better way, like each legions/warband, used to their fullest being raw violence, warp power, psychological warfare and stuff.
My issue with giving estimate of a faction's density is that James Workshop absolutely sucks at consistency and will only use numbers that adventages their storytelling. As such, estimating the progress of the raid corsair's size in the future is pointless in my opinion because it's actually impossible to accurately predict
4:40 Huron and his red coursairs are an independent Chaos faction in their own right. 6:17 [Huron Quote] damn he's not loyal to Abadon at all. 16:48 The Hamadria is such a weird demon, is it Chaos Undivided.
First i still need to be convinced that abbadon the armless is actually a threat
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Legion size could mean anything from the under 10k pf the Emperor's Children/Thousand Sons, to the hundred k and up of the Ultramarines/Word Bearers, I mean the Black Templars have been called legion sized so....
I think the winner would be... Drach'nyen. Because it will probably end up in the hands of whoever comes out on top anyway.
We NEED this to happen
The real Abaddon and Huron Blackheart died and were replaced by Alpharius and an Alpha Legion Praetor (Omegon is busy playing the part of Roboute Guilliman)... sounds like something they would do.
Can totally see Abaddon dealing a death blow to Huron, leaning in to whisper "Hydra dominatus" only to notice a hydra tattoo behind Huron's ear. Then to everyone's confusion say out loud "The f*ck????"
YO THE NEW OPENING! Thats fucking sick. Its a bit weird seeing that instead of the old one, its still epic.
The conflict would completely ravage the Sugma system...
... subsector Ligma, segmentum Bofadeez...
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These read like Dr Evil type stories with maniacal laughter and twirling moustaches.
I thought I remembered the Word Bearers having close to 250,000 legionaires before the heresy.
New music is dope
One thing that I think it's important to note about the growth of the Black Legion compared to the Red Corsairs is that the Black Legion has fought 12 black cursades against the imperium, which I think it is safe to say, are far higher in intensity and casualties than most of the conflicts the Red Corsairs have fought against the imperium, excluding their invasion fo the White Scars homeworld of course. Due to the casualities the Black Legion has substained during its Black Cursades I don't think it's safe to say that it took them 10000 years to get to their current strength. Though we don't have any sources on it I think it's within the relm of possibility that when the first Black Cursade happened the Black Legion may have had similar numbers compared to what they have now and as the first black crusade only happened 1000 years after the Horus Heresy then that would put the Black Legion at a similar growth rate as the Red Corsairs.
Edit: Even if the Black Legion was smaller during the 1st Black Crusade I still think it's safe to say that it didn't take 10000 years to for them to reach their current size. While it still may be true that the Red Corsairs do have the advantage in terms of growth speed, the gap may not be as big as 8x.
You forget that the time in the eye of terror runs differently.
I generally like Huron more as a character and I like the overall look of the Red Corsairs, but Abbadon would probably win, mostly because of plot armor.
One of the biggest factors is leadership style, Abaddon is a bully and many of his subjects are there through force and fear. Hurons leadership style is far more relaxed in a sinister way.
How many warlords would wait for Abaddons flank to be turned before taking the opportunity to get back at or replace the war master.
The next big chaos threat should come from the Maelstrom and Huron.
Given the years of story stagnantation with exception to the past few editions, finally sidelining Abaddon the disappointing and giving somebody else a kick at the imperium would be a real breath of fresh air.
I'm hoping one of the primarchs can get some revenge on Abaddon by snapping him in half and giving somebody else a shot and thats assuming somebody on Chaos's side like Huron dosent usurp him.
Huron has some Ultramarine plot armour so it's a close fight
well, he might be a son of guilliman, so it's justified...
About fucking time.
A way to make Hurlun close the gap in terms of Astartes would be to focus on short sightedness of many chaos forces.Abbadon plays the long game and everything he does is for the destruction of Imperium but how many of his warriors especially more fresh ones would be more inclined to switch sides to Red Corsairs and their live in the moment for themselves lifestyle