My heart is broken for Wallace! The Wire Season 1 Episode 12 Reaction/Commentary
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Wallace was more than a brother to those kids, he was their de facto father figure. Which makes it all the more ironic that Bodie kept accusing him of not being a man. Wallace had all the right notions of what positive manhood could entail, Bodie is blinded by all the wrong notions.
Lots of small details in this episode, like the way the camera cuts to kids playing while Bodie tells Poot they have to kill their friend. This episode was written by George Pelecanos, a novelist, and it shows. The writing on this show, as real as it feels, always has a very literary tone to it, like a novel written for the TV screen.
Yep. And like she stated "they're ALL children" in this scenario and Bodie and Poot are victims of their circumstances as well. You can tell they were clearly forced by the institution (in their case the drug game) in which they are a part of to do such a horrendous action. They can't even really be in their emotions after the fact because that would just make them look "weak" as we see by how Stringer responded to D'Angelo's emotional response. The best Poot could do was have someone call anonymously so that his friend's body could be found (it's also interesting to note that so many others have stated before that Poot killing Wallace is essentially a mercy killing atp) and his family wouldn't worry about what happened to him. At least that's how I've always interpreted it since there was no reason for Poot to call the police otherwise. That whole entire scenario is just far more complex than what most people simply take it as "Bodie killed Wallace cause he wanted to kill Wallace" so props to her for being that mindful because babyyyyyyyy on my first watch I hated tf out of Bodie after this episode 😂
@@monadreher2428 it's why the show is so rewatchable and why it's interesting to see people watching it. There's such density to it and a lot of it only comes when you're actually rewatching and seeing how things build up.
Wallace's death really underscores the tragedy of the lives of these kids. None of those kids should have been in that position, including Bodie and Poot.
You're right to zero in the additional tragedy of who else is going to look out for all these smaller kids now.
"Where's Wallace?" is one of the most powerful moments in the show. Its the veil finally being lifted from D's vision. When he saw Wallace he saw someone else like him who wasn't built for the game. Someone too sensitive.
D is in a lot of ways not a great person, but unlike someone like Stringer or his uncle he has a greater capacity for empathy. He's capable of seeing the tower kids as kids and not just "soldiers" to be used and discarded. Grown up somewhere else, D probably would've just been a normal person. People like Stringer always would've preyed on others for power.
"Grown up somewhere else, D probably would've just been a normal person. People like Stringer always would've preyed on others for power" funny you should say that , I feel like D would have been a normal person, Stringer would have been the CEO of a big company and preyed on others for power in a different way. This show at it's core is about people and that roles up into society and the systems we created to uphold this illusion of society.
When David Simon was asked "What happened to the kids Wallace was looking after" his response was "What do you think happened?"
Thanks you for continuing with The Wire.
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Just as a reminder, there is no witness protection. That's part of the reason that Wallace was down at his grandma's and that they can't get witnesses in the first place. Cities can't really operate like the federals on this front.
I've always found it interesting how Bodie had to be pushed into it when it came to it and, to your point, by Poot who is basically a brother to him. you're also asking good questions about the family ties! It'll be great to see you next episode.
Subscribed! Thank you for reacting to maybe the best tv series in history. Your reactions are always so insightful and I love how you analyze the different characters and their perspectives. This show truly stands the test of time, still relevant (sadly) and you see new things with every rewatch. Hopefully you'll continue with season 2!
D'Angelo had to know for himself if Wallace was really dead, so I'm sure he thought he could be more covert asking the question, judge the answer, and go from there, but like you said, emotions got the best of him in the moment when it was "confirmed".
Thanks Janet, another great reaction. Looking forward to the finale.
Wallace!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 It's the kids on this show that regularly destroyed me.
It’s one of the reasons S4 is my fave
Imma just say it now, the penultimate episodes to The Wire seasons are high contenders for being some of the best episodes in the entire show. They just - always- hit 👏 and is just television at its absolute finest. Your summation of Wallace's character was spot on. His environment is all that he knows and he returns to the game because that's where his circumstances and the constant failure plaguing the city have placed him. That's the point of his character arc. And the beautiful thing about it is that that theme doesn't even only apply to him. It can be applicable to half of the entire cast of this entire series. This show is the best at nuance imho. Characters like Levy the lawyer and Clay Davis the senator are legit some of the *absolute* worst people to ever appear on this show. Both are leeches full heartedly feeding off of the tragedy of everything. Disgusting. The Barksdales may be our main "villains" ala Avon and Stringer but they aren't the biggest ones. The corruption in this show goes crazy *especially* once the politicians really start stepping into play. This is just Season 1 chile 😂 Lastly I'll just say that Daniels is awesome and he really stands out to me more and more on rewatches (that's the case for a lot of these characters though). Burrell's biggest strength as well as his biggest weakness is that he's a politician first and a officer of the law second and Daniels picked up on that throughout the season and was able to call his bluff. It was the final salute for me lmao such a boss. RIP Lance Reddick ❤ and see you at the season finale hun!
Danke!
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Daniels gave the same look to McNulty that Bodie gave to Poot before killing Wallace
The "Where's Wallace" scene goes down in my book as one of the most powerful scenes in any show. This isn't even my favorite season.
You got mad when it ended 😅 should keep up on it.
If you react to it more maybe we'd be in the middle of season 2
She does, it's on her Patreon. I assume it's just a pain to edit for youtube, that's why it takes long.
Yes thank you 🙏🏼
See you for Season 2.
Brodie & Dt. Leeman 🙃🤣🤦🏾♂️
*Bodie & Dt. Freeman
Hey how are you Jan, Wire Fans miss you. When are you going to continue?
Collateral Damage? You ain't seen noth'n yet. 😊
Bodie
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Try not to pause in the middle of the most important scenes of the show. Letting the scenes play out is the experience the show writers intended. In between the scenes is fine, but that diatribe in the middle of Wallace's execution couldn't have ruined that scene more.
Season 4 is the best season imo and not till now did I realize that it's directly related to Wallace's death...wow..this show is amazing.
What do you mean?
Promo SM
The most hilarious of it all is that "politicians" do not represent "the people", but oligarchy, through and through. And the only function there was and is of a "politician", for millennia, is of a flood-gate. Biggest achievement of exploitators en masse was shifting conceived source of their authority from imaginary-owner based, as in god, to imaginary-virtue based, as in freedom. Though obvious owners are thriving, somehow there should be an immeasurable difference between kingdominion and ?free?dominion. What does this even mean, smh. Maybe murican dream is about "peopledominion" while being repressed into gaschamber while waking up.
When said " it took them longer to realize" it's not there total fault they have a lot of people, and they suppose to be their eyes and ears. Do you remember when McNulty and Lester was talking to the Lt. They making a lot of 💰.
The last comment was Wallace asking Dee "Who was the women in the car"
Avon Sister is a silent partner. Bank.
Inner cities,the shit you see, things you experience, life and death choices.
Some by the age of 13 seen and done what men twice there age. So boys to Men is real even if you don't understand.
I didn’t get Wallace. He had no issue beating Johnny almost to death with Bodie and the other boys in the earlier episodes and even smashed him over the head with a bottle. But he sees Brandon and all of a sudden he has a conscious? And not to mention he knew fully well what giving Brandon up was gonna do and he even was the one to tell Poot to tell Stringer. He could’ve just let him go but no, he tells Stringer and THEN tells on him to the cops. Like WTH. Yes Wallace is young but he’s being raised in an environment where death and violence is a literal daily occurrence and he’s used to it from what we see from him in the first few episodes. He is also fully aware of what happens to snitches. I just did not understand why they’d make his character do that other than but for contrivances.
Yeah, Wallace had no issues beating Johnny almost to death. Except...you know...you clearly didn't pay attention to ANYTHING. Bodie was already onto him for for not being awake enough and getting scammed, etc..., he knew what he had to do in that instant to survive and aside from breaking the bottle on his back, he's barely doing anything, the others are the ones kicking him and punching him. He was acting like they wanted him to act, because if he kept getting scammed and screwing up the count they were gonna mess him up(in his head).
And no there's no contrivances, the writing is clearly too much for you and goes way over your head since no, he did not know what they were gonna do to Brandon and that was made clear. He never saw someone butchered like that and especially not because of something he did. The realization of what he contributed to and the violence all got to him, he couldn't pretend to be one of them anymore, which was clearly a point evidenced by both Dee and Bodie. But you have zero attention span.
@@FuzzyDlop sir, shut up and take the rose tinted glasses off lmfao
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 His point is valid, though. Conscience is not some all or nothing black and white thing, and there is quite a big difference between beating someone and watching someone's grotesquely mutilated/tortured corpse with their eyeball hanging out or whatever. On top of that, you build a tolerance to certain things due to what you're used to in your environment (beatings happen all the time), but everyone has a breaking point. It's not like he's been desensitized to Brandon-like situations (which by all indications are unique/typically out of sight).
Knowing consequences and seeing consequences are two completely different things that can have wildly different outcomes on how a person reacts to something as well, clearly. He had to expect that Brandon would be killed, but he probably couldn't have anticipated that he'd be tortured/mutilated as badly as he was, let alone know that he would see it.
On top of that, who's to say the he relished in what happened to Johnny or that that's not all factoring into his eventual reaction to Brandon? If he behaved like Bodie (who was cheering it on), you might have something (although I think the counterargument above would still apply), but for the most part, it seemed like he just did his job without questioning it until it got to an extreme that he couldn't stomach.
It's no different from how Herc happily beats children, but would probably also be deeply affected and appalled by witnessing child murder/torture and has a conscience/heart in other instances (he's not a child and that still applies).
Believing that story consistency would have people responding to both scenarios in the exact same way is highly unreasonable. That's not a how a realistic human being behaves.
@@richardkhchang When Wallace attacked Johnny, nobody TOLD him to. He took it upon himself to do that. He very well understood how the streets operated. Like D said, what did he THINK they were gonna do to Brandon after he made the call? Also, we see in the show Herc has a conscious despite how much of an asshole he is when he apologized to Bodie’s grandmother but that doesn’t stop him from still being an stupid asshole and getting a little kid (Randy) into some mess being a dumbass. Being 16 out there isn’t like being 16 in the suburbs. Wallace wasn’t 13, like Randy, where his decisions are understandably naive, he is 16, he has a very good understanding it has nothing to do about having a conscious THEY ALL had a conscious but it still didn’t prevent them from doing what needed to be done and/or not saying anything Wallace was weird lol
@@Yvanehtnioj2000 What a bizarre reply. You're arguing against a lot of your own points rather than the ones that I made.
First, it's conscience, not conscious. Conscious just means someone is awake.
Second, you were the one who brought up conscience by saying "But he sees Brandon and all of a sudden he has a ?", not me. I am arguing that they all have a conscience despite their actions as well, which contradicts your initial statement. But I guess now you're conceding to that point by arguing the same thing?
Third, you were also the one who brought up age/Randy as a defense, not me. I am arguing that even someone who ISN'T 16 and is as old as Herc, who beats up children on a regular basis, clearly has a conscience (as you've provided an example of) and would likely feel appalled if his beating escalated into torture/murder. This is the same as how Wallace DID react, and it's appropriate in both cases, not weird.
Fourth, I never suggested that he was told to attack someone, I made the same argument that you did-- that he understood how the streets operated and was used to doing/seeing what was expected of him like beating people. However, the key difference is that beating someone vs. torturing/murdering them are different (he only DID the former, NOT the latter), and understanding something vs. doing it/seeing it are also very different (he may have UNDERSTOOD that they would kill Brandon, but SEEING it reasonably creates a very different reaction).
On top of that, the show made a point of suggesting that Avon/Stringer ordered his muscle to go above and beyond what was normal in what they did to Brandon. What he had to expect would happen was just normal murder, but it was a straight up torture-fest, which is obviously beyond even what Wallace could reasonably understand/expect to happen (and as mentioned above, even if he hypothetically DID expect that to happen, which he didn't, understanding is very different from seeing).
All of these nuances go against your original sentiment.