I think the great thing about this game is the option to hunt how you like and them having drink zones is one of those options you dont have to hunt them like that i think having the freedom to do it how you like is the best part of this game it doesnt force you into this singular method
We should be allowed to play the game we paid for any way we want to play it. this is one of the CON's of this community, members that don't, can't or understand how to grind see the "grinders" getting rares or diamonds quicker and complain in discord and all this BS comes from it. If EW remove the drink zones tigers will be killed less and less to the point where this map like many others will become background noise like the maps that have flopped. just play the game and stop complaining people. being a EW CC isn't what its made up to be, that also comes with many CON's.
I'm sure there are many cons to being an official creator with expansive worlds. I know there's certain limitations on certain content that can be produced, and I would accept that as part of that experience. I also feel that if expansive world says something about one of their play experiences they should be held so that expectation. It is the only way that they will grow and continue to create amazing experiences for the community. The issue I have is that the current state of things renders the rarity of the tiger trophies a moot point. Thanks for taking a moment to comment!
Im not going to comment on the guts of this video here but will comment on these comments lol. Of course I'm bias, I work with EW, but I was a creator first. I have never, nor could I imagine, what could be considered a con to being a CC with EW. There are no restrictions, other than when you can air your early access content, ew does not tell anyone what they can or can't do in their content.... honestly that was such a strange comment for me to read I had to say something. So strange
Thanks for commenting @Jaxybeard! That was the only thing I was referring to with regard to limitations on the production of content and how some might see it as a con - the limitations on Early Access and new release information. I know a lot of people are very passionate about things like completing the missions and being asked to wait as a content creator might be challenging for some. One thing I am working on is patience - when I'm really eager to do something and am asked to wait, it can be challenging. That's the only thing I was thinking. 😁 Reading back on what I wrote, I can see how my word choice might imply that EW tightly controls its marketing and messaging through it's CCs. That was certainly not the intention and I will be more mindful of word choice moving forward. Thanks for keeping me honest and putting your two cents out there!
@irish hunter. People long forgot about the community. It's all about ego stroking now.' I can't do it which means nobody else should be allowed to' mentality
I really think people just need to relax a bit. It’s a game. If you choose to grind for that tiger trophy - great! If you didn’t grind for that tiger trophy - great! How someone else chooses to play has literally zero bearing on my own gameplay. An abundance of trophy animals (tigers in this case) being posted by people who grind to get them in no way devalues my own trophy. I know how much - or how little - effort I put in to achieving that result. Waste no time worrying about what other people think or believe. As for the ethics of being able to shoot 160 tigers in a single grind session when it’s an endangered animal? Seriously, it’s a game. They’re not real tigers. When playing RDR2 I shot anything and everything that looked at me funny. This in no way reflects my real life values and ethics. Everyone needs to calm down and just enjoy playing the game in whichever way they find the most fun.
What I am learning as a result of this is that the conservation messaging is a moot point. 😊 It is just a game and *I* need to let go of that thought moreso than anyone else. Thanks for your thoughts!
I personally like the three lake grinding method because it gives people like me who don’t get to spend hours every day searching for something as cool as a tiger trophy. Although I understand how it could make people like yourself angry how people can sit for hours and grind this method to get tons of rares and diamonds and make them less crazy as they are I still think the three lake method is still good. The other nice thing is the snow lepords are like that. Also the other part like you said is that you don’t need to hunt them in there drink Time and you can still stumble across them while regularly hunting.
You were the first comment I read that brought up the issue of time in the availability of it to play and I really appreciate that perspective because you're right, it is more challenging when you're casually playing to find cool trophies in a timely manner due to their rarity. I know that's reflective of the real world and how where animals like piebalds, albinos and melanistic are. When you're playing a game, however, sometimes there's this desire for a quicker outcome because of the lack of available discretionary time. That's something I need to consider in my perspective, so thank you for raising awareness of it. Also, thank you for taking a moment to comment. I appreciate it!
I don’t think that the drink zone should be 100% removed, I think that they should code it in a way that if you stay too long in an area, the tigers should avoid it, much like real life, this would remove the grindability but also allow casual players to hunt them… but that’s all highly unlikely to happen.
I really like this idea! I think if the drink zones were more dynamic in a way like this it would feel more balanced to many of the players in the game. As always Liam your ideas knock it out the park!
@@liamsstudio_44 I feel the same way falx does. I think you should suggest this in the forum for all. I think it would be easier for the Devs to do as a whole rather than singling out 1 species. Maybe I'm wrong. They're the ones who would know.
I think now that the game has experimented with more animals that are considered more endangered than others in the game, I don't think elephants are that far behind. I truly believe that COTW's final map will be Africa 2.0 if it doesn't come sooner. I just see it is like the big finale before they move up into a new engine or something like that. It could be that it would come sooner with a couple of smaller maps after, but regardless, it's definitely on its way with the kinds of animals that the players have been demanding. Thank you for your comment!
I feel like everyone should be able to play the game like they want. I think grinders should be able to grind the game, and casual hunters should be able to just casually hunt. I feel like this game cost money people should be able to enjoy it how they want.
Ultimately, I don't care because if it doesn't impact me. I know what my trophies mean to me. I also understand that some people center their lives around a video game and, therefore, have many more trophies than I do. Some people grind 10 hours per day and have multiple GOs. I will probably never see a GO. That's okay. It's not real life. It's entertainment. Don't let what others do or have diminish how you feel about your trophies.
I love what you said at the end of your comment about not letting others determine the value of your trophies. I think that's a very important point to remember for all players. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
I really don't understand why how someone else plays their game. They paid for it their time their gaming system which might I add they paid for so I don't understand
I agree totally! People should play how they want to play, especially if they're purchasing the product for themselves. The issue I have, however, is that EW said the tigers would be rare and, more importantly, hard to find. They are not hard to find if they have a drink zones and can be over harvested. Thank you for taking a moment to share your concerns!
@@FalxHunter just don't hunt them during their drink time if u want them to be harder to find. just because an animal has a drink time doesn't mean u have to hunt them during the drink time
First let me start by saying I dont grind or herd manage. I have no problem with tiger drink zones and leopards not having them. My biggest issue is the people taking it to the extreem saying if you dont hunt the way they want you to then you are cheating. It is tearing this community apart. EW has said grinding and herd management are not cheating, its just another way to hunt. I only did 1 grind when the WT first came out and didnt enjoy it so I basicly run and gun. I feel if I pay real money for the game i should be able to play the way I want. The only thing I dont agree with is people who hack the game and use mods and then post them as real accomplishments. If they want to play that way then do so but dont act like you earned something you just hit a button and put on the map. As far as content creators, they are doing what their viewers ask for, if they didnt then they would lose their viewers.
If I decided that I want a trophy elk, I’m going to go find a content creator that has a video on the most efficient way to hunt them. Your right on that’s what the viewers want.
One of the points you make is very poignant. For entertainment value, grinding is the way to go for most content creators. I also agree that everyone should be able to play the game as they desire, and that includes grinding. I'm not against the grinding mechanic because I myself practice it as well, my disappointment comes with the fact that I thought we were built up to expect one thing for the Tigers and feel like the expectation wasn't that. I expected them to be just as difficult as snow leopards, but with a drinking zone, it removes some of the puposefulness of its special mechanics. Thanks for taking a moment to point out some very important aspects of the conversation! They are very insightful.
I agree! I'm not sure why they went with water drink zones for Tigers knowing that they would be easily grinded. I'm glad that members of the community are raising the issue with the developers and they are looking into it. Thanks for your comment!
Personaly l disagree with you hear is what I mean: 1. Hunting thigers in the drink zouns do not defeds the perpous of them hunting you, as even thou you can hunt them in the drink zones, they could and would hunt you whail you are hunting other animals in theyer therytory eg. estarday I was ambuscht by a thiger twaic whail hunting other animals 2. I do not agree that posybility of grainding thigers is enyhow opousing the conserwatino mesage as in the end all animals hunted are virtual, if grainding them is enyhow harmfull to real one I would argue we shuld not have them in the game in the first place Whats more whail the conservation mesage is importend for the game, I would say making map fun is just as importent if not more importent for example many animals on the previous maps are invasiw or anles not naitiw to the region, whail some storylains make it a point and educate players whay thous animals shuldent by there, others make it seam as if they were inportent for the reserw they are in some examples are - wather bufolo, blackbuck and axis dear in parqe fernando - ring necked phesend in rancho del la Royal - fallow dear and ring necked phesent in hirshwilden (Yes thous animals are not naitiw to cenyral europ, many pepol don't know abaut it) And yet could you emagin thous maps without thous species? I however would agree that given how much it was emphacais in the story misions that only maneters can by hunted, we should by able to shot a thiger and get a full score on it only if sed thiger would by aggresiv twords the players, otherwais we should get no score just like with hunting grounded phesent 3. Hunting animals that was almoust whaipout becous of hunting in the past is nothing new to the hunter call of the wild, europian bison was at some point extinct in the wild and almoust extinci in general (from all I know they were only 12 left, thou I don't know how akurat this number is) and yet we can hunt them in the game 4. Whail I 100% agree that casual hunting is far more enjoable then grainding it is not the case for some part of the comunity, mayby it is controvrertial opinion however I think that making ungraindable species is not fair twords this part of the comunity ( it is propably imposibel anyways given how creative humanbeeings are, give it few months moust, and I am almoust shour that we would see videos like "best way to graind snow lepard" anyways) Beter solution would ( in my opinion of cours) be to eider adjust trophy animals spown reats so that they could be realisticly okwayerd without grainding (including grate one of cours), or idealy making a setting like casual/grainder that would allaw players to decaid wheder they like plaing the game in the way it is curently, or in the way that would make it realistic, thou stil extremly rear to get grate one naturaly (obwisely it should be visabel which setying is on bouth in multi Player and whail wathing trophys in the loge) 5. Like I mention elier in my opinion thigers do provide a uniqe expirienc as they still might atack you unexpectadly whail you are exploring the map, having a drink zone just make it so you can chose to hunt them in more mondain way if you would like to 6. It is definytly the moust subjective of all opinions I have prezented I devinitly do not agree that ability to graind for trophy thigers decre the value of trophys you get without geainding at all as it is entairy ap to you how huch you value them To put it in a perspective if you would find suprerear albino Brown bear without grinding on your map would it be any less vaylebel to you becous many players get it from misions? In my opinion it would not mater in the slightest, and the same is the case for bengal thigers IMPORTANT: If enythng I sed is enyhow was offencive, rood or inapropriet in eny posible way I sencerly appologais, it was not ment to be, and I am sorry if it somhow is
You raise some very interesting points! One thing I do agree on is that yes this is a game, and yes the conservation message is a challenging things to balance because while the game and especially the new mission on the Sundarpatan talks very heavily about conservation, in the end it is still a game with animals that we can hunt and some of them are either at risk or endangered. Also challenging to balance is the casual versus grinding way of playing the game. You're 100% correct that there are people who absolutely love the grinding mechanics, and I know that it is not going to be an easy thing to balance with those who seek more casual experience. I think if the animal behaviors were more randomized and they didn't come to the same places at the same time each day that might help with the situation you could still grind but you would have to be more nuanced about it. Overall, this conversation is not easy, and finding a way to make both sides of the community felt heard and respected is a challenge. If theHunter: Call of the Wild wants to build themselves as the most authentic hunting game in the genre. However, grinding is obviously not an authentic hunting method. Thank you for taking the time to share such a comprehensive and well thought out comment. There's more to chew on and think about and what you said, and I will take it into consideration.
The animals on Parque Fernando aren’t invasive. They were brought there for hunting and are only found on said ranches. That would be like saying every animal that has been brought to Texas is invasive or Whitetail on Revontuli. The same applies to Pheasant.
I have to say, as a person with little time to actually play I enjoy the way tigers are. I can't spend much more than 3 hours in a lucky day off to play usually. I may grind for those few hours and then in back at working or life things. And as a person that has tried the 3 lake grinding method the tiger does move. He has at least 6 or more zones. Personally I've actually lost where the tiger's went in my map. I dare say I'm enjoying how the new map is. Its fun a bit of a challenge without being overwhelming. Considering theres so much to grind for both in the new map and others. I understand the frustration, 'its too easy', but im happy some of us could get something nice in my trophy lodge for once that isn't a common gold, or rare ranked nothing. Not saying that anyone has to enjoy it. I get it, makes rare tigers it no where near as special as it could be for grinders. But on the same token for everyone who doesn't enjoy the grind. As it gets repeative and old, same thing/ same animal, as well as not everyone has time. Its just one animal out of the other list of creatures to hunt. Just one less animal to worry about grinding for. Guess what i want to say is. If the tiger isn't for you just don't hunt it. Or rather hunt it as often as you like and don't worry about the rest. You likely have a tahr grind to worry about if nothing else lol. Anyways if you made it to the end of my rant, Happy Hunting! And I hope u get a Great One!
You're not the only person who's commented on this video with this perspective about time in the availability of time to play the game. As somebody who also works full-time and has a family, I totally respect that. It can be just as frustrating to try to casually play and spend those few precious hours looking for something cool and not just not finding anything as it is to grind the same animal over and over repetitious in hopes of getting something special as well. This is a very important perspective we must keep in mind when considering the issue. Thank you for taking the moment to comment and for wishing me luck! I did read all the way to the end, and I'm glad I could provide space for you to share your feelings. Happy Hunting as well, and good luck to you! 😊
i'm not sure why people are saying to remove their drink zones. if u don't want to grind tigers during their drink time then just hunt them when it's not their drink time. the whole beauty of this game is everyone can play it the way they want. there's no grinding in woth and it's not as popular as this game. if they start limiting cotw they will just end up killing the game altogether. just because some content creators want to grind tigers doesn't mean i have to hunt them that way. if u start removing drink zones then u are just limiting the ways people can play the game. if u don't want to grind ...then don't grind. i don't feel like playing woth where i have to wait weeks for my animals to get 5 star or they don't even make 5 star and die before that or I end up shooting a 3 star that had good genetics that could have made 5 star. i'm not interested in that mechanic...it's too much of a guessing game.
I definitely see the comparison between WOTH and COTW and how the different mechanics influence the outcomes. My only thing is that if EW anticipated this being a way to hunt the tigers, then it shouldn't have been built up to be so rare and elusive. It takes a bit of lake hopping, yes... but with drink zones, they are easier to find than spotting them in the bush or getting jumped by them. Just my two cents. Thanks for your thoughts and feedback!
@@FalxHunter thank you! I just find your content a kindred spirit to my content. You are the voice for us players with a day job, kids and other priorities. Plus, it’s just very mature and safe
I understand your point of view with this. There have been times when I have felt inundated in the casual versus grinding message. I think for me, I only have the issue with the specific animal just because of the messaging we received leading up to the release. Thank you for taking a moment to share your comment. I'm happy to look at ways to craft my message so it doesn't sound like a complaint but rather more of an examination of my own feelings.
I understand they can be challenging to find if you're not grinding them. I personally feel that's what made them fun! However I can totally see how it might be problematic especially if you don't have a lot of time to play.
I am one of the people that really rely on the Tiger drink zones for my grind and it would be devastating for me if they where gone but I also see your point of view and respect it but I think instead of trying to push to change something and it take away you should try to avoid that style of hunting we can go in our separate ways of hunting without conflict
I read both your comments, so I will reply just here. But you raised some very important points that other commenters have said. For people who have limited time to play grinding is one of the best ways for them to get rare trophies and that's something I need to consider when evaluating my viewpoint. Whether or not they change the mechanic is not going to be solely up to me. Hopefully they take a fair and balanced approach to both sides of the argument and find some sort of good compromise. Thank you for taking a moment to comment - I really appreciate your time
Yeah, this issue is so controversial. I would say that the game will be extremely more difficult, if there's no drink mechanism. I tried the traditional ways like stalking and ambushing instead of camping in drink zones, but could only get few bucks after a session of playing. This is exactly what hunting is in reality; however, it will erode normal players' happiness who open this game after a long boring working day for relaxation.
Many commenters have mentioned the lack of discretionary time for long-term gameplay. That is influencing and changing some of my perspective around the argument. I know as I work a full-time job and have a family sometimes it is nice to have an option to get a quick and easy trophy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I’m also not a grinding type player, but for some reason grinding, the Tigers gives me joy and especially with there being seven rares in two very rare’s. There’s just always stuff out there for me to get.
Agreed! There's always something to go out and find, and I think that's what the Allure of the game is. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
I wish they would just give options to completely remove all zones from view so we can hunt without knowing where the animals will be, I don't grind at all but understand those who don't have much time to play want to still have a chance to find some great trophies. but when I hike through these maps and find a Diamond it mean so much to me, I can't imagine just jumping from one place to the next just shooting. 1700 Hrs in game and I have never seen a Great One. I am ok with that. because I want to hike and find one naturally. it will be the Greatest. Please an option for animal reset every so many days so I don't see the same antlers or animals over and over again that I will never shoot because they are to small. Have fun hunting!!
You can technically remove the POI or point of Interest icons from your hunting HUD by going to the system setting in the main menu. I know what you mean though by not having the need zones be so consistent. I would love to have the more randomized as well. I would absolutely love to see the addition of more randomized rack generation and I think a lot of players would like to see that too. As far as a means to do population resets I think that idea is starting to gain traction. It could be an optional opt-in function that the community can choose whether or not they want to participate in. I know for myself I would join in a heartbeat. I like the randomness of generalized hunting. Thanks for your comment!
No one is forcing anyone to hunt their drink zones. Who cares what someone does with their game in their own house. I do understand people wanting to control how other people play a game. Mods are a thing but no one is up in arms over that situation?
Fair point and one addressed in the video. It's not really about not hunting the need zone so much as its impact on the rarity of the trophies. Thank you for taking a moment to comment.
Oh I am absolutely up in arms about the mods issue. Check out my video titled "I don't trust multiplayer and neither should you." I really think there's something that needs to be done about mods and anti-cheating in general.
I think it was a matter of time before someone figured out a home range. Also it was the choice of EW to give them drink zones. Every animal that has drink zone could be called a fish in a barrel. I understand that your disappointed in the expectations that EW put out there for the Tiger and it fell short for some people. I believe people should play however they want to if the game allows for it. What mostly matters is how much joy each trophy brings to a player once they get it.
Sometimes, it's difficult to keep this in mind when we are community based on sharing our accomplishments. One of the aspects of this community is that there is an underlying current of competition, especially among content creators. Finding rare and elusive trophies can feel less impactful and come across as less valuable when everybody can achieve them in short order. I agree that everyone should be able to play how they want. I myself have used heard management and grinding to achieve my great ones so there are no qualms with that at all. It's really the fact that I felt like there was an expectation built up, and it wasn't quite delivered on. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
The simplest fix if they are going to provide drink zones for the Tigers, which they should as Tigers do drink, would be to make the zone a 24 hour zone and if it's possible to add the 'I need a drink' mechanic to the AI of the tiger, that way it will be random as to when they will turn up, Tigers like to bathe too so it would make sense that they turn up willy nilly in places and you can't set your watch by them
You and several other commenters have said the same thing and I think this is a wonderful idea. I definitely think the AI needs a tweaking and that the need zones be more random. Then the hunting would feel a lot more authentic. Thank you for taking a moment to share!
We should be allowed to play and hunt as well please and that's what we do and you have a very small community compared to the people who grind really hard all the time cause people wanna see the cool furs and racks
I truly don't have an issue with the grinding mechanic because that is literally what the game is based on whether people know it or not. Even if you hunt slowly and methodically, every animal you harvest comes back as something else. That's the nature of grinding. I think we're my message gets lost is that I feel like we were built up to expect one thing and something else was delivered. I truly expected them to be as rare and difficult to find as the snow leopards. While they are difficult to find, the water drink zone removes some of the special nature of their mechanics, in my opinion. Definitely play how you want, and I definitely understand your point when you say that people want to see cool for types of racks. I certainly do. LOL, thank you for your comment and for taking this moment to say your thoughts!
@po1sonedsoul absolutely! I think it's important to learn from other people's perspectives. If you'd come out calling me names or saying I'm "crying, whining," etc... (you know, being PURPOSEFULLY antagonistic), that would have resulted in a non-answer. I have allowed some comments that are borderline antagonistic through because I felt like I could redirect the conversation in a more positive way. If nothing else, I hope this video and the comments attached to it are teaching people how to respectfully talk to one another. LOL thanks for being one of the good ones! 👊
I recommend having drinking time, but with more options, maybe 2 or 3 drink time and you don't know when they will come. It's like they are respawn in different lakes. the drinking time will change but not fix in what time to what time. The fixed time will make it easy for players to hunt them down.
There are many commenters who have the same idea, and I like that you all think alike! I think if need zones were more dynamic, many of these issues would feel more balanced. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
Mate, you and no one else need to feel guilty about grinding pixelated animals. Almost everyone I know who grinds for GO, rares, and SR, are intelligent, thoughtful people who care about irl conservation. Grinding is completely optional, and is never explained through in game tips or tutorials. We don’t need an option to ‘randomly reset population’ to simply choose not to hunt drink zones. Just keep making your content the way you want to. Keep hunting the way you want to. Don’t fret about how other players seek what’s valuable out of the game in their own way. Enjoy the rares and dimes with their increased spawn rates! I stumbled across this channel a few weeks ago and I’m really glad to see your videos popping up in my suggested section! Keep it up!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter! I think for me I have really bought into the message of ethical play in the game and trying to make it as real as possible. I know that sounds strange because I am also a grinder, and a user of herd management. I would like to think that the ethics surrounding the game were more important than quick trophies but it's panning out that maybe this is just an opportunity to get something special that you otherwise couldn't get in real life. Thank you for sharing, and thank you for the encouraging words on my content!
With all do respect I disagree because if you don’t want to do the grind then don’t do it if people don’t like to do the grinding then you can’t ruin it for the people who want to grind after all it’s just a video game and we’re all trying to have fun right 👍
You're absolutely right about personal choice. I think for me it's challenging because we exist in a community that likes to share and be proud of our accomplishments and sometimes it feels challenging because of the disparity in the speed at which these rare and Elusive trophies can be obtained. I've heard arguments on both sides of the aisle about the availability of discretionary time and playing and how grinding helps them get trophies they wouldn't otherwise be able to get in real life because they just don't have time to play. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!
my opinion only, I feel everyone should hunt/play the game as they wish cause in the end you are the one you have to satisfy with your trophy's and how you get them. I myself wish it were even easier to get some rare's and trophy's cause I don't have the time to play to have to kill 5000 certain animals to get a good one. But as I said just my opinion.
I agree that the game is dynamic enough that everyone can play how they choose. It can also be very frustrating for someone like yourself who may not have a lot of time to play and therefore have challenges finding rare and elusive trophies. I'm a little bit in that boat myself. I do like the realism because animals like piebalds, albinos and melanistic are so very rare in real life. However, it is a game. Maybe if it were a little bit easier, it wouldn't be such an issue for some people. Thank you so much for taking a moment to comment. I appreciate your thoughts!
The definition of grinding as the community uses it is the intense, intentional shooting of animals over and over at water drinking need zones to quickly expedite the spawning of diamond and rare trophies. Those players that go repetitiously to the same need zones over and over again and shoot one or two of the animals out of each zone are what we call grinders.
I'm a casual player/grinder/HM grinder and I will agree that the tigers should have only had rest/fees zones if not any at all since sundarpatan release I've shot 3 tigers in drink zones and it wasnt exciting at all the 10 I've killed by accidentally running into them were so awesome one scared the crap outta me yesterday
I tend to agree with you! I do enjoy it when they jump me and scare me while I'm hunting something else. I absolutely love that mechanic and hope they don't get rid of it. Thanks for commenting!
OK, before I start I wanna make sure if anything comes across as disrespectful or anything like that please do not take it like that. I get out when EW was talking about the Tigers and how there’s only gonna be 16 and how elusive they’re going to be it sounded like it was gonna be a super hard thing to get. But if you still want that type of experience then don’t hunt the drink zones if this Three Lake grinding method is an exploit in your opinion or annoying or just doesn’t feel real then don’t do it, if you want the surprise of finding a diamond or a rare don’t hunt there drink zones and just run around the map and wait for it to kill you lol. So in my personal opinion and in my eyes when I look at it I don’t see the three Lake drink zone or on grind being that big of a deal only because if you don’t want it to be that easy then don’t do it. I would love to talk more about it just let me know.
The issue isn't that players who hunt the traditional way should just not do it. When you're a part of this community you watch videos and see posts from others hunting. And these people are churning out super rares and great ones like they are diamonds for us regular players. The issue is partly that EW has distinguished people that hunt the seemingly intended way are seen as "casuals" while the grinders are seen as advanced players who understand the game mechanics. I for one have done both and despite grinding red deers for a month learned to hate it. I think the more role-playing immersive side of the community just wants more love. Like Falx said about the snow leopards, they should have just made tigers the same way.
@@Togglez97 I get what you’re saying but at the end of the the day the “grinders” and content creators have thousands of more hours than you and me and will always have more trophies since it’s quite literally their job to. Also while EW has acknowledged that theirs a difference in play style they have never talked down upon the ones who choose a more casual style of play, they are just casual players and there is nothing wrong with that.
@@ihateslothzz1884 I just disagree with the premise that hunting the way you were intended to makes you a casual player. Look at channels like TheHunterDD33 for example. Dude has been playing the game the way it is intended for like 7 years now and he is by no means a casual player. It’s just a different way of playing the game
@@Togglez97Exactly! Just a different way of playing the game that you bought with your own money so how everyone else plays it shouldn’t affect you or me
IMO the way tiger changes their drink zones is fine. But it needs to be a bit more randomized so that those 3 lakes dont always have them. It is a game at the end of the day, even after any amount of randomness its still codes, there will always be a pattern which people will eventually figure out and make it grindable. The only possible solution is to remove any zones for the tiger which is not only extremely inaccurate but also will quickly become annoying when you get attacked when hunting for something else, causing the map's popularity to drop drastically. Should their zones be randomized so that they are harder to find; yes. Should they be completely removed? No, tigers spend a lot of time near water. May be code it such that 2 males cant be in close proximity to each other. Then they will not drink from the same lake, and you will have to cover a lot of area to find them as even on lakes you are not guaranteed to find them.
Erase some very important points. Without drinking zones, the immersion with the animals does seem impacted because we all know that realistically, the animals do seek out and need drink times. I like your solution to the challenge though by saying it needs to be more randomized even to the point where in a 24-hour cycle they just randomly go to drink when they feel they need to I think if they applied this principle across all populations it might help pull us back from the intensive fish in a barrel type grinding. Great thoughts! Thank you for your comment!
Can we all just take a minute a realize that we as a community are okay with the exploit HM, but not okay with the exploit of 3 lakes? I do it because I don’t know about you all but I don’t have 10+ hours a day to “hunt” them. I’m in college…full time. I work…part time. My time is limited in general. If you want to hunt them legit. Then DO that. But don’t sit there and say us who choose to grind them as “less than” that mindset will destroy ANY community over time. I personally don’t get the logic in the hate for this when we all grind drink zones anyways. To each their own 🤷🏻♂️
There's actually a whole segment (probably about half) of the community that does not agree with HM, but since EW has come out to say they don't see it as an exploit, there's not much they can do. And for the record, I also grind. I have completed three successful herd management grinds for three of the GOs. This issue I take is not with grinding overall per se. It is about how the message we got about the tigers was that these would be treated differently, with greater care about the experience hunting them, but giving them a need zone defeats that message. While humans love the path of least resistance, I would prefer them to have been like the snow leopard. You're among a few commenters that have raised the issue of time, so you're not alone there, and it's a very important part of the dialogue. Thanks for sharing your insight!
Thank you for taking a moment to share your opinion! I know that a lot of players actually do like the grinding mechanic. Finding balance between that and casual hunting is always going to be a challenge for expensive worlds now that both styles of gameplay have taken such strong roots. I wish you luck in finding what you're looking for!
Would it matter if the player was limited to how many tigers or snow leopards you are allowed in a certain time? In real life many hunters will not shoot a smaller animal and wait for the biggest. Do I not shoot the Mythical and wait for my Legendary?
This is a great point to make because it is reflective of a real life hunting. A lot of times in real life you're waiting for the next big trophy and the one that steps out on the field may not be the one that you're desiring. So you choose to wait for the next one. I know that Way Of The Hunter has similar mechanics with their five-star system and the way the animals grow in age over time. I kind of wish the mechanics and call the wild were similar. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
Well, once again the part of the community that doesn't like something about the game will force the change. It is what it is I guess. I miss the first wolves we got where they were super aggressive. I hope people wont complain about Tiger aggression too, it'd be like taking a gun to a petting zoo.
Change is nature and the way we grow. I absolutely do agree with you however that some animals did not need to have their aggression nerfed in the way they have in the past. Take grizzly bears for example. They will attack you, but now it's so rare it's almost surprising that it even happens. I love the aggressive wolves and I wouldn't change them for the world except to make them even more aggressive, I think. I absolutely hear what you're saying in your statement about being frustrated with directional growth that doesn't necessarily align with our personal values. Thank you for taking a moment to share that perspective!
I've not spent much time on the new map yet and have yet to spot a tiger drinking. Both Tigers I've taken so far were because I was running around in their areas unlocking as many zones for all species as I could find HOPING that a Tiger would take time out to hunt me. I mean I just read that they have fixed the Lion bug where it says "fleeing" at a drink zone and they the just stand there. I understand the reasonableness of fixing that but I also think how many hundreds trophies and rares have been had via this bug that are now so so much harder. I've watched older video's of guys making 100k and thousands and thousands of points an hour shooting slowing non-maneuvering geese. Full time job, two kids and aging parents that need more and more help...CotW is pretty much the only game I play and even then I am luck to get 5-10 hours a week max...I'll take what ever meager wins I can get. I have resigned myself that I will probably never get a Great One. I sort of get what you are saying. Basically I would like a challenge and a sense of achievement but not at the sacrifice of fun.
The last statement in your comments really made me think. It is hard to balance the realism versus the fun aspect of the game. I never agreed with the water side bug where the animals wouldn't run, though. I felt that it was definitely cheapening the experience. I know I have taken advantage of it, though, so I really can't say anything. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts!
While I agree with you, I don't see what EW can do at this point. Yes, they could remove the drink time completely, but grinders would find some other way to exploit the mechanics of the game, like they always do. They seem to have an aversion to actually hunting in a hunting game and would rather just have target practice at a lake. On the plus side, they'll get their tiger Pokémon collection fairly soon, get bored, and move on to something else. For those that stream or are CCs, I don't see them retaining much of an audience for this long term either as everyone will be bored, so they'll also move on (likely back to whatever Great One they are enamored with that that time).
This is such a challenging issue from all the different perspectives, and you're right. There will be an absolute uproar if they decide to move or remove the drinking needs on times, and of course, there will be people who find other ways to utilize the practice. I always appreciate your opinion, Snail, and thank you for taking a moment to chat with me about the issues!
The Random Population would be a good idea only if EW comes out and tells us how to get a Great One/Rare, or come up with a way to get the Great Ones/Rares. The majority of the players grinds because the only want to get Great Ones and Rares. I have been saying this from the start, the grinding system is killing the game and if nothing is changes, more and more people will be stepping away from the game. The Hunter Call of the Wild is a chill hunting simulator game (a lot of players don't realize that), they should not try to make a competitive/grinding game. I hope they can find a solution to all of these issues.
I see what you're saying about the great ones and I think a viable solution would to be include great ones as mission animals, but make the missions incredibly difficult and Incredibly challenging in order to achieve one. I think that would go a long way to resolving the great one issue for sure. As always, I love to see your work and your comments, Twins! Keep up the good stuff!
It’s nice to enjoy games for their intended purposes and experience. This game is intended to be a hunting simulator, but with the theatrical bonus of storytelling and tangent missions. Without this particular tiger issue, there are already ways of participating in the game using many loopholes to each gamer’s desired advantage (spawning or quick-travel, summoning ATVs, running several kilometers without a break, etc…). In context, not to dismiss the issue here, I feel indifferent to any future changes regarding the tiger’s common availability to the player (meaning I’m fine with changes/updates as well as fine without them). I always try to play any game as close to its intended storytelling and/or purpose as best as possible, but I can’t say I would tell others how to go about this issue (I enjoy the missions, the dialogue, the storytelling, and gaming experience). I do feel if I did take too much advantage of any loopholes in the game, I would be robbing myself of this gaming experience (which also includes the feeling that I’ve just flushed x amount of money away). I feel players are going to play this game how they wish, no matter if changes come or not. There are many who play the game as a first person shooter rather than hunting simulator no matter what anyone says and I can’t do anything about that (I can’t even really worry about it). The other side of this issue is that it does seem to many that it actively avoids the topic of conservation (no matter the species). All I can say is thank goodness we’re talking about amateur gamers instead of live active hobbyists.
You know, I've actually thought about some of the things you pointed out in your comment. Things like resetting the time over and over in order to go and track a specific trophy, the use of fast travel, etcetera. If you compare real hunting - which is what this game purportedly emulates - with the more based practices and abilities in the game, could those things also be seen as exploitive? This is where balancing the message that it is only a game versus the real-life argument comes into play for me. Yes, absolutely, this is 100% a video game with all of the fantastic measures that you have mentioned, plus more. For me personally the biggest disappointment was being built up to believe that tigers would be just as rare and special as the snow leopards, which I am incredibly enjoying hunting as far as the two big cats are concerned. Reading your comment has helped put some things into perspective for me. Thank you for sharing!
As someone who maybe gets a half hour to an hour every couple days. I don't want them to make it any harder then it is for me to get cool trophies. I have a real job. Don't have 100s of hours to look. I don't want a cool trophy every day obviously. But don't want it to be harder then it is either.
@brandonlowry3145 you were the first of the commenters to bring this to my attention, and I seriously appreciate it. As somebody who also works full-time and has a family, it is also hard for me as a casual player to find trophies in a fast manner. Imagine being a content creator who, for the most of the week can't produce videos about extremely rare or diamond trophies because I just don't have the time to commit to playing that much in a casual way. I know I have had moments where I have found that to be extremely frustrating and scary in a way because I feel like viewership is centered around those rare and elusive trophies. This is a very serious consideration when we talk about the grinding versus casual play nature of the game. I will definitely think about this and how it might impact my perspective overall. Thank you for bringing it to my attention and being respectful about it.
@leefswgoh7558 Definitely feel that. I hope ew can find a way to balance those aspects of the game. I think they tried with the tiger but with the drink zones they kind of missed.
I would like to start by saying, I am not a typical hunter on these maps. I tend to use my IRL ethics, when I hunt in COTW. I generally only hunt food animals and dont care about fur types or trophies. I also make sure if I shoot it, I track it down to harvest. I dont go for the mass grinding aspects. I also dont have trophy lodges to show off the kills. With all that being said, It is a personal choice. My game is taylored for me, as others is to other people. That is the great thing about this game, you can play it any way you like. I think it would be nice if EW had the option to switch population regen on or off. That way everyone can taylor make that aspect to their own style. It would be an easy thing to do, much like turning off missions. So thier is no one group that dictates over another. At the end of the day...... it's just a game.
I absolutely love an official way to reset your populations if you choose. Maybe a selection to opt in to random population resets once a week or every month or so. I think that would go a long way to help fixing the issue. I sincerely appreciate that you choose to play in a personally ethical way while giving others space to play how they want. As someone who does grind and use her management I don't have a problem with the grinding per se, rather that it was heavily implied that the Tigers would be crafted to avoid being over harvested. That's where I have the issue. If it's going to be a allowable than just say that out the box. Thank you thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective on the game.
TBF i thought this would be the map that brought me back to COTW, then i heard Tigers have drink zones, and knew it would just be a grindfest, so i can honestly say, this is no longer that map for me
It's disappointing to hear that you feel that way about the new map. I hope you find something else to fall in love with it about, but I totally understand and appreciate your point of view. I've been struggling with similar feelings, and luckily, I've been able to look at other positives that have kept me coming back. Thank you for taking a moment to share!
Honestly how I think about it everyone can play the game as they want that is why it’s a game. And u can decide urself how rare u find ur trophy is. There is no need for other people their approval for it to be a rare trophy
the thing is, u don't have to grind them. don't hunt them when it's their drink time if u don't want to grind. just because other people are grinding doesn't mean u have to stop playing the game. how other people play has no impact on ur game and ur enjoyment of it. the beauty of this game is everyone can play it the way they like
Infact grinding does affect the game, whether i choose to gring or not. Since as Falx pointed out in the video, it devalues the trophy. When i started playing COTW Diamonds were truly something to be proud of. It took months to get one, and when you did get it, it was an event. Then the diamonds became extremely common (to the point where running around the map in 1 ingame day would net you 5 Diamonds and multiple Rares. Thats when the Great One was introduced, and it was the new "Elite" trophy, except it really wasnt. I do not think actually providing players with an incredible species that truly is rare, and difficult to hunt is unreasonable to ask for.
I think that is the best form of gameplay in the game personally! Just go pick a direction and go see what you can find! Feel like I was pretty chill and sharing my message. It was just musing about some of the challenges that are facing the community currently. Maybe I'll examine my messaging and see if I can present it in a more relaxed or entertaining kind of way. Thank you for your thoughts and taking a moment to comment!
@@FalxHunter Don't worry about the rest of COTW game players. Next year a hunting games getting released where peeps are gonna be grinding Elephants and after that map probably Koalas too. 🤷🏻♂️
I love the new tigers but not the three Lakes method because I got a initial spawning Super rare tiger and I have gotten extreme criticism from several people because of the three lakes method when it was a special trophy and my first super rare
I'm sorry that people assumed that you're super rare was from grinding. This is where it becomes an issue for me. Whether we like it or not, we're always going to compare and contrast our trophies and how they were acquired. People like you who are just that super lucky get lost in the mix. I'm sorry this happened to you. Thank you for sharing your experience here.
This is incredibly kind of you to say. I know that the community is extremely polarized over the grinding issue, and I feel sometimes that those who feel it grinding has had an overall negative impact on the game have very little venues to speak about their frustration. I think grinding is a viable form of gameplay don't get me wrong, but it challenges us when we're promised an alternative experience to it.
I pray that EW doesn't listen to you complaining about making tigers actually huntable by having a drink zone . If they take that aspect out of the game they might as well say farewell to most of the people playing on that map. Most people don't have a lot of time to play the game on a daily basis, so to eliminate the only way to hunt an aggressive animal without being hunted yourself is just unintelligent. If you truly understand that the game was created for everyone to enjoy and play as they see fit to do so, you shouldn't try to make it less enjoyable. If you don't like the drink zone mechanics the problem is easily fixed by just not hunting them, not by trying to have it removed for everyone. If you don't like it don't do it that way. Considering that water plays a giant roll in the life of a tiger removal of the drink zones would make this map another rarely played option and a waste of time.
I wanted to take the time to really consider what you said here thoughtfully. I definitely hear the passion you have for the game come through in your comment. One of the things I feel challenged by is the immediate association of talking about an issue with generalized complaining, so I've had to really consider what it was about my message that came across as complaining rather than also expressing my passion and concern about a game that I love. I haven't come to any personal determinations on that yet, so that's something I'm still going to have to mull over. You're not the only one who has brought to my attention the fact that time is a factor when considering how quickly people can achieve trophies. I know there are a lot of people - myself included - who do not have a lot of discretionary time to spend stalking and ambushing their prey in ways that grinding takes care of in a matter of seconds. These are very valid points, and I appreciate you raising awareness of it so I can potentially add it to my perspective, and perhaps we consider my position. The biggest thing I agree with that you said is that water plays a huge role in the life of a tiger. Not only for drinking purposes, but they are one of the only big cats that actively seek water and spend time cooling off in waterways and ponds. Maybe not do away with water needs zones entirely. One of the things that has been suggested is programming it so that the Tigers do not show up at the need zones on a regular, predictable basis. I think that might be something I can get behind. Maybe have three drink zone time frames, and each tiger picks one of those time frames to show up at their particular body of water. I know that the resolution to this challenge has no easy answer. Thank you for taking the time to share your feelings and thoughts on the matter. I appreciate the opportunity to consider alternative perspectives.
I’m not trying to sound rude but me personally, I love the three leg grinding strategy but yes, I also understand how you can dislike it. Personally, I just use it as a way to just get a good trophy and get me hyped up but it doesn’t really hype other people up, so me personally, I like it but I can also see how you don’t like it and as I said, I’m not trying to sound rude
I'm not trying to hate here, but don't you feel like it's a "cheap" trophy because it's so easy? More power to you if you don't ofcourse, but for me it made the super rare tiger a lot less desireable.
@lindseylu9652 This doesn't sound rude at all! I understand how people with specialty less time will use grinding to get trophies more quickly. It's a very important perspective to take into account when looking at the challenges with grinding and casual play. Thank you for sharing your thoughts
@leefswgoh7558 I absolutely understand how you can feel this way. Balance between people who have a lot of time to hunt and those who feel like they don't. Thank you for being respectful in your reply.
Congratulations on the leopard with the bow. The Cats are basically all I've been doing since this map came out. I think 25 so far. Both species combined. Only 3 from the DZ's though. All on TH-cam. Including the only Dime, which he jumped the handgun round. Then I ruined him with the 308. But I lived. Lol!😊 Anyway Congratulations on the Leopard! Sorry about talking your ear off.
I have to disagree with EW not delivering a unique experience with the tigers; they certainly have. The stalking is awesome, this doesn't all of a sudden stop being unique because you can hunt them more "effeciently" in other ways. That being said, tigers being the "cheapest"/easiest super rare to get in the entire game is kinda silly in my opinion. On the flip side, i really feel like with sundar they gave the non-grinder/non-hm player what they wanted with sundar. Namely leopards and a GO without drinkzones. So why focus on the tiger? Let the more casual grinders have their fun with them.
@@gustavlindskog8247 As i said, imo it's kinda silly that the tiger is the easiest super rare in the entire game. However, It's just 1 "ruined" animal that's easily accessible for casual grinders. Is that really that bad? You don't have to like it, but the game catering to different kind of players is a good thing imo. What's also worht noting is that the animal wouldn't have been ruined if you were still oblivious to the grinding method. So is the animal really ruined if when playing normally you would have never even known about how easy it is to get?
@@leefswgoh7558 I missunderstood your first comment but I think the tigers are ruined for everyone, not just people that understrand the exploit because there will still be hundereads of diamond and rare tigers posted to different discords and such that normally wouldnt exist.
@@gustavlindskog8247 Exactly, if you aren't on discord, tigers would have been fine. You're letting other people's experience ruin your game. That's not necessary.
I am personally on the side of the grinders. I feel like grinders should be able to play the game how we want to play the game. This goes for everyone not just grinders. I think this absolutely also applies to the tahr. I feel like grinders should be to hunt the tahrs in drink zones. I am truly happy that someone could covers this topic without a non civil argument. However, I do disagree with your statement about how the game is based around the grinding play style . This, in some cases, is true. However, lately ew has mostly made things harder for grinding the this game. Like I stated earlier, I feel like people should be able to hunt the tahr how they want. Drink zones. I feel like it is kinda unfair for the hardcore grinders to have to cater to one play style. I completely understand this feature does not make tahr ungrindable. However, I’ve heard many of people struggling with respawns and finding zones in the first place. And half the time you can’t even see the tahr because of the brush. This comment is in fact, entirely my opinion. Thank you for making a video discussing such a topic while being civil.
I think because there's been such an uproar about grinding and heard management at EW is trying to find a way to bring balance to the game. I think by starting with a few very special animals, such as the snow leopard and the tigers, they are trying to see what the community's reaction overall will be to the changes. I assume the split continues to be 50/50 but I could be wrong. Thank you for taking a moment to comment and also being civil about your response. I really do want to understand all sides of the argument and comments like this help me reshape and reconsider my position and perspective. Thank you
I recently we've fallen in love with classic and have been playing a little bit. It's very likely I'll be focusing more on that for a little bit or choosing to do population resets myself. I like the randomness of it all. Thanks for your comment!
84 years for the great one moose was very real indeed😂, however I do agree with the tigers, they need to remove drink zones as a whole that way it is a more authentic hunting experience just like the snow leopards.
100% agree, if not just for the fact that the dev’s said themselves these are rare animals to have an encounter with, I think the drink zones should be removed for them to make that comment true.
Some people want them to be more rare since they drink and some like how they are now, and if would like them to be more rare don’t hunt them during drink time. No reason to make it harder for everyone when you can just make it harder for your self, for an example I like to hunt them at night when I’m done grinding for a little more of a challenge.
I love how you're turning the whole trope on its head and hunting them at night! I can't imagine getting jumped by a tiger when everything is dark and spooky already! You're 100% correct with regard to personal choice, and I appreciate your contribution to that discussion.
@@JaxonSimmons-q2r ohhh noooo! That was my first experience as well. I died immediately after hearing the growl and I did not bring my dog with me either. Fist bump!
First. I to hunting on the tigers like on the leopards, and I haven't received anything single diamond yet, because the tiger (leopard) spawn like the diamond lions. Very very hard. Only 8 male tiger and only 5 male leopards, this could take months. Do you want the tiger like that? Second. The tiger mecanics is raw. The tiger very vulnerable in the process of sneaking. It's easy to kill it. In my opinion the dev. got afraid of the difficulties with the Thar and given the tiger drink time, like red herring.
I can see why you would say that and I think that's an interesting perspective. I tend to agree with you on the point you made about the Tahr difficulty. Thank you for your comment!
I'm not sure I'm understanding your comment and I would like to reply thoughtfully. Can you rephrase? Are you talking about whether or not population resets were possible?
I don't play the game like a grind either way. Just running around looking for opportunities. Don't even have the disturbed veg perk, so I never know what I'll find at the end of a track. If people don't like that grinding exists, just play the way you want to play and accept that you won't have the same things that someone killing 100 x more animals will. Personally, I'd rather have fun playing and treasuring every diamond or rare trophy over repeating the same boring hunt over and over and over.
I love this! I, too, very much enjoy casual playing and seeing what's at the end of the line, so to speak. One of the things I fell in love with the most about this game when I first started playing was the tracking system. Could it use some more finesse? Absolutely. But the thrill of stalking up on your prey and not knowing if it's just on the other side of the ridge is what does it for me. Check out my hunt of the snow leopard. It was very much one of those build-me-up-to-the-outcome moments.
@@FalxHunter exactly, just this morning i spent an hour and a half tracking a Max estimate lvl 5 barasingha. Turned out to be a troll but i still got it eventually, then had an awesome close encounter with a Nice tiger while laughing at the score. The game is fun if you play it like a game instead of a chore.
Yes it is a little disappointing for the specific animal. I don't mind if people grind it's just this sounded like it was going to be very difficult and very challenging to achieve these trophies which I was looking forward to.
I think it was to be expected. I myself was very surprised when I spotted a tiger drinking and the drinking time plopped up. So it did not come unexpected, the whole grinding thing. When the grinding oppurtunity is given, players will use it. Its a preference, you either like grinding or not (like me). I shot a legendary diamond yak yesterday, without grinding, pure luck I guess. I like moments like that. Let the grinders grind when it makes them happy :-)
Yeah as soon as a drinking needs one was discovered for the big cats I knew that was going to be the case. Was just shocking because I felt like it was implied that the Tigers would be like the snow leopard or not have drink zones. They may have announced that they would have drinking need zones at one point and I just missed it. I understand grinding will always be a part of the game. I was just taking a bath with the specific animal given its mechanics. Thank you so much for your comment!
@@FalxHunter Hi, you stated "I felt like it was implied that the Tigers would be like the snow leopard or not have drink zones. They may have announced that they would have drinking need zones at one point and I just missed it. " I had the same impression. However, I do like the new mechanisc of the tigers to hunt us (too). Score is now 5:3. three times the tigers got me unexpected, hahaha
I disagree respectfully. I hunt IRL and I still don’t see an issue with grinding in a video game. I don’t even grind myself but I feel no self righteousness about that. Because it’s just pixels on a screen. It’s very entertaining to see the trophies people get whether they grind quickly for them or slowly. Because just as you said the grinding mechanic is built into this game and other games. It’s just a different way of playing. If you grind for great ones and not diamonds that’s fine but it’s hypocritical as you admitted. But to judge those who want a diamond or rare quicker doesn’t make sense. Some people just don’t have the time to sneak up and stalk every single animal it would take years to get trophies on the game. Everyone has free will and choice to play as they enjoy playing. How someone plays really shouldn’t make anyone else that upset or emotional.
I tried very hard to craft my message in a way that wouldn't feel judgemental, especially since I myself grind and used herd management. I will have to listen to my message to see where I can craft it more carefully to avoid that. Really, it's not about individual players themselves but more so that the mechanic exists. I would have rather it not altogether, and that way, the rare stay rare kind of thing. I can definitely see your point on the personal choice commentary as well. I am also glad you mentioned the entertainment value of finding rears because that's what drives a lot of successful TH-cam channels that I think people forget as far as marketing is concerned. Watching somebody stalk for an hour through forest vegetation is not always the most entertaining form of watching Call of the Wild content.
I think tiger really not need drink time but thar need... i have now 1700 thar kill yes we i can grind thar but off grinder not never see thar GO that is really sad
The tahr is a whole other bucket of oats! I know there's a large section in the community that is frustrated with the fact that it does not have a drink zone, but honestly I think it's a good idea because it encourages variation in the style of gameplay. It may also be a test to see how many people will actually try to hunt them outside of water need zones.
I’m not a grinding-type player, so I’m not a fan of this method at all. Especially with the tigers! I’m hoping they do remove the need zones for them, I would love more randomness.
@@jurajkralik2645 for other animals, sure. However, EW had advertised this as an animal that you’d never know where it was that they could sneak up on you at any time. And that’s not how it is.
@jurajkralik2645 I really appreciate you bringing up the message of coexisting. You're absolutely right that we different players can find ways to coexist in the community. I think it's important to approach it from a balanced perspective. Thank you for sharing this thought!
@brentsimonds1101 THANK YOU!!! You put very succinctly what I was trying to accomplish by doing this video. It's not necessarily the grinding mechanics themselves in the game that I have a problem with. It's the fact that this particular species was advertised a certain way, and I don't feel like having a drink zone meets that expectation. Thank you so much for sharing that thought and helping me clarify my message.
As much as I like the Bengal tigers, in in my opinion, it would be nice to see them not have a drink time and be like the leopards where you have to go out and find them
You not wrong, this exploit came way quicker then EW expected. EW could of restricted grinding in early release and that would of delayed this. I use to enjoy seeing a creator find a special trophy because they weren't getting them all , all the time. Sadly by the time the general customer got the game the magic was tainted by revealing the trick. I Personally feel this has turned me off this map. I also find this map has too many zones where there isn't any animals. I get it is suppose to be hard , but the hard maps are the least popular ie. Rancho , Mississippi (I like a lot), New England and Parque. Tigers and leopards will likely be the main reasons this map stays in the top 5 for a bit. That being said this map is the most visually pleasing map by far and it introduced mechanics and features never seen on any other map. This should be applauded
Absolutely! I agree with most of your points with the exception that there seems to be few animals for some people. While that may be true for other players, my map seems choc-full. I purposefully avoided watching early access myself to ve as surprised as possible. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
You took the words right out of my mouth. I can't stand the channels that play this game and only GRIND GRIND GRIND. Not a single natural encounter video from them. You know who they are.... I have come to accept that it's all for likes and clicks for some, and they have sold their souls to the algorithm. I have unsubscribed from most of them, and from now on will only continue to support channels such as yours. Keep up the good work!
I appreciate it and I appreciate the tact in your comment! Grinding can absolutely become very monotonous and stale. Luckily, there are great content creators out there that provide a balanced approach to how they play and an alternative way to enjoy online content. I'd like to suggest theHunterDD33. He was one of the first channels I ever watched, and I love how he treats every hunt realistically!
@@FalxHunter Thanks, I'll definitely check it out. Just to reiterate, I'm not shaming anyone who grinds, you do you. Play however YOU like to play as a player. It just feels like such a soulless experience to jump from lake to lake all the time, although it makes for good content to fall asleep to... This is going to be a tricky one to handle from EW's side. On one hand they need to maximize sales, which means pleasing EVERYONE. On the other hand, they need to stick to their roots about this being a true hunting experience, not, "how many kills can I get in an hour just to get the grind for that super rare over". Especially regarding the "Rare and Elusive tigers". I hope they revamp the drink system one day, although probably not possible without starting over. It's unnatural to remove drink zones, and also just as unnatural for animals to arrive and leave at a watering hole at the Exact same time everyday. But hey, at the end of the day, it's just a game. Don't want easy trophies? Stay away from water I suppose.
I understand your side of the story, and respect that. But I feel like this is not a serious as people are making it seem. I found a rare and diamond without drink zone hunting and you did too. I think it’s just something that the devs can look into and tweak in order to make it more appealing to others.
It was something I definitely needed when I was considering making this video. Just how serious do I want to be about this? Is it worth my peace of mind to wade into a very controversial conversation when you're right - it's just a game, and people don't need to take it as seriously they do sometimes. I'm glad there are commenters like you who can respectfully bring up the point and keep me honest about my personal self-examination and why I feel this issue is so important to me. I think it's because I am seeking an authentic hunting experience when I play this game, but sometimes I don't feel like it always delivers. Maybe you're right, and they can find a way to tweak it so it is more appealing between the two play styles. Thank you for taking a moment to comment and keeping me honest! 😉
I usually don't grind, I like to stumble upon my trophies. I've gotten 5 star trophies that way in the past and it's very satisfying. I'm hoping that I can, some day, stumble upon a natural spawn GO. But my opinion on the subject? To each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The concept of the tiger is very cool but also anxiety riddled for me. I don't like jump scares and that's what's prevented me from getting the map thus far, but soon, soon I'll bite the bullet (heh pun) and get the map ^^
I really need to give WOTH a second chance. I feel very challenged by the sound design in the game, though, and I'm very auditorily inclined because I have a hearing comprehension issue. However, I'm very much like you where I like to stumble across things. The good thing about theHunter Call of the Wild is that overall, it provides players the opportunity to play however they want. I just take issue when we were promised a different kind of hunting experience for a specific animal. Thank you for your comment! Hope you bite that bullet someday - it's a great map!
i hardly see the tigers,i dont grind for them,no point,if i see 1 great ill shoot em,but as said i dont see them much,and taking drink zones away is just no point imo,new sub btw
I understand some people have certain feelings based on what the devs said pre release .. Remember this is a for profit bussiness.. If they make the main selling point of the map too hard to hunt how is that a good business decision for the long term future of the game.. The map is harder to hunt and only being able to grind a solo tiger on three lakes still means you will struggle to kill more than 20-30 tigers an hour. Lets be mature about this people... That means for a 0.20% spawn rate ..a rare tiger you would need to play for 25 hours solid grinding tigers... If you have that kind of time great , go for it! I wont mind! There bigger issues in the world to worry about!
Your point about profitability is fair. Several people have come forward to say that they have limited time to hunt in a realistic way and grind as a measure to get trophies they otherwise would never see, so to them the practice is valuable. Thanks for taking a moment to comment!
Like many others already mentioned, I dont grind and despise that method of playing the game , to be honest I unsubscribed all CC's channels that promote it. People play the game the way they want to play,but they shouldn't promote exploits like they do. All that work designing beautiful maps and animal models just to be ok with CC's making entire videos camping water holes and tent hopping, shooting fish in the barrel...and that's what I dont understand in EW developers...
I understand how you can feel like it's an exploit. Since the game is built on the concept of grinding whether it's quick and Intense or slow and drawn out, it's hard to achieve balance when people are finding ways to expedite what should be a slow and methodical process if it's said to be authentic. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree I will not be grinding tigers because I think it’s wrong because grinding them defeats the purpose but if others want to do it that’s fine but don’t show it online ya know
I kind of have the same mindset. If you want to do it privately that's fine but I feel like it undermines the value of the experience if it's all over every social media page. Thank you for commenting and sharing your thoughts!
@@Ericathebutcher why can't they post online? it's not like they're cheating. grinding is part of the game. maybe they need to lower the spawn rate if the rares are becoming too easy to spawn then...but then ur getting into great one territory
@@dagg310 wellll they kinda are because so the tigers where made to where there’s only 16 tigers on the map at a time right but there making to where they have infinite tigers on the map which you can disagree but I see as cheating which ever one has different opinions and hey that is perfectly fine
Well said. Personally i despise grinding as it has nothing to do with hunting & i think the respawn system of COTW is a flawed design full stop. I wish it was random spawn like Classic & my hope is that EW eventually abandon COTW to create a new HUNTING game on a new engine with random populations each session. Regarding the 3-lake method, well I'm not surprised as the creator of the method is an advocate for HM exploits & has even main menu'd a botched GO on stream so they clearly don't care about the spirit of the game.
I too am looking forward to a day when the game migrates to a new engine with new hunting mechanics. I am definitely going to stick around for that moment. I do want to say that I know who you're referring to and they have openly admitted making a mistake with the main menu great one. I can appreciate the honesty and the forthcoming nature of owning that mistake. Someone who also grinds and takes advantage of heard management for the sole purpose of obtaining great ones I also have to acknowledge that it's a practice I do. Honestly though I wish it pretty much didn't exist in the game. For entertainment value it's one of the highest sought-after practices on TH-cam unfortunately. Thank you for sharing your comment. 100% agree on many of your points!
Slight disagreement here. I think the drink zones should stay, IMO the way the tents work now is the problem. You can now fast travel to a tent with a blind in front and have a target 30 meters in front of you. Lets face it COTW is meant to be "Arcade'y" and fast paced this is one of the attractions for people with less available time. For those that want a immersive slow paced experience there are other games that prioritize this style of more realistic immersive play. Arcade games have always been about exploits, min-max style of play. I think the division is a touch ridiculous because the game is what it is. Play it how you want for you, or pick a game that suits your personal desires better. Personally I hate the way the Blue Sheep and the Thar are implemented, but loving the Snow Leopards. There are a lot of people in the world, you can't please everyone all the time.
All fair points! I wasn't sure about the reported change in the tent mechanics, but yeah, that's definitely a whole other issue. Lol, one at a time, I suppose! Thanks for confirming and sharing your thoughts!
At this point we really just need a different game. Grinding COTW and regular COTW are two totally different games and it would be nice if EW just split these two sections of the community. Maybe with some sort of option in the settings or a new game entirely.
I kind of wish they would consider adding an optional official way to do regular population resets for those of us who like more casual gameplay and bring it more like theHunter: Classic.
I am afraid to see how fast such grindings discussions are. The game is available a half of the week and you are discussing it that way. I am afraid. I have had a hard working week and did not buy it unless i have time to consume it stress free. On the other hand: EW has designed it that way, and even if your expectation is based on the introductions EW has given before release date, then EW has done it wrong! Why is everybody able to grind tiger the 4th day after release that simple way? Grinding black bears in night was much harder! So for me it is a fault of EW itself, and hopefully they patch it as fast as possible! They can move the trinking zones to more hidden areas, or let the tigers trink a shorter time or whatever. What do you think?
I tend to agree with you and I think by building a certain expectation EW has certainly set the stage for this back and forth dialogue. I think they need to clarify quickly so certain players don't feel left behind or that their concerns can't be addressed. I appreciate you taking a moment to share your thoughts!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Bit confused, tahr, jackal and springbok do not have drink zones, so we grind the feed and rest zones. Maybe EA makes the cats troll more than the other animals. Congratulations on your Snow Leopard you killed with a bow. Will you now stop actively seeking the cat to make it more ... special? (looking for the right word, this is your game, you hunt the way you want)
Making the cats troll more often could be a viable option to help balance it. I agree that a lack of need zones for drinking would break some of the immersion in the game and already does so with several species. One commenter suggesting randomizing the times when animals come to their drink zones. I think that might be a viable solution as well. As for the snow leopards, my goal is to find an albino one. So I think I'll continue hunting them, but I am surely enjoying the challenge!
Lets also remember the massive casual community who despite giving them detailed instructions on how to grind an animal will still post a comment after playing for a year ( ive never found a diamond)... games are not made for the elitist gamer anymore... its made for the simple....
I can see what you're saying here, and I think this is a completely different topic of conversation. Many of those players may want a diamond by the most natural means possible without intensive grinding or feeling like they are grinding at all. Truth is, the game is nothing but a grind whether you casually play or not. The sooner people realize this, the better. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
It's so sad that it has become monotonous so quickly. It's like within 2 days, all of the rare fur types have been discovered many times over, and everybody seems to have a diamond now. That's nice for the players, but for the concept of rarity, it doesn't support it. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
Grinding is an absolutely fun game mechanic and depending on the game you practice it in it can be very rewarding. This is especially true for games where leveling up is dependent on how many creatures you kill. I only take issue with it when a game bills itself as an authentic hunting experience and then provides a way to shoot animals like fish in a barrel I suppose. A lot of these comments are giving me alternative perspectives that I need to consider when forming my own opinion. Thank you for being one of them and taking a moment to comment!
I used the three lake method cause i really wanted a diamond. i now have 3 rares and a diamond and i only feel like i earned one of those rares. i now refuse to hunt during tiger drink time because i feel like it ruins the whole point of the bengal tiger. I wish they didn’t have need zones
I can empathize with you. We absolutely can choose whether or not we grind those need zones. However, it is the propensity of humans to seek the path of least resistance. The allure of the grind and instant gratification can be hard to discipline yourself against. I have fallen into the trap and ended up grinding my great ones for that reason. Thank you for taking a moment to comment, and I hope you fall in love with tiger hunting all over again!
you can grind for a diamond or a great one which i have got 3 so far, or you cannot grind and just never see any rares, diamonds or great ones which you will absolutely NEVER see, and play the game getting a bunch of golds and silvers if you want, just play however you want to play and stop complaining about it. DOnt be fooled by content creators either they grind for months and months to get the footage you see for 2 min on here.
You're absolutely right! Some of them have compressed their spawn rate so much that they see a rare or a diamond every few days. I did that with my moose grind. Luckily I didn't come across any super readers because I really want that moment to have an organically. There are many ways to play for sure. I just take issue with this one specific animal. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I like and dislike this 3 lake method! It make rare’s trivial! They could make it so the tiger don’t stay in the same zone when kill’d , so they move territory! Could have 2-3 territories that’s always empty! So the tiger’s have an empty place to go! Even though I hunt the 3 lakes I go round and try to hunt the other tigers on the map ! Did find my rare tiger that way!
It's definitely a hard thing to balance because while it makes tiger hunting easy, it does feel like it Waters down the Rarity of the trophies. I totally understand where you're coming from. Good luck with the need zone jumps - those can be frustrating as well!
That just seems how it is, isn't it? I think if EW were to find another way to have people participate in finding great ones, it would help provide some balance to the game. I think a very intensive, very difficult mission system based animal would be viable.
@@FalxHunter well I’ve got 5 great ones with out even trying and everyone was random encounter two whitetails two red deer and a fallow deer. And the fallow deer i got before the map narrator was done finishing the welcome to the the reserves speech so that was a horrible long grind of less then a minute and one shot. Everyone i wasn’t looking for them Just random luck 🍀 i do believe everyone has a great one of some kind on one of there maps right now. question is what species and what map and where on that map and it may not be what you are looking for but its still there. Or in other words your barking up the wrong tree If your only goal is to get a great one and don’t care what it is you probably already got one somewhere of something change maps and change often just don’t get hung up on it has to be on this and this kind. Because then you will be grinding.
I freaking love the snow leopards, and I'm so glad they were added to the game! I hope to become an expert in hunting them and tracking them. I'm curious to know how you know there are only 10 on the mountain? Is that information out there somewhere? As always, thank you for commenting, Jodi! I'm always looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the game.
@@FalxHunter Love your hunting styles and content, Falx. thank you! Old Man Rum, I thought, but no, it was RonMcTube, released a guide saying that there are 10. He said he made sure it was correct before releasing the info. He seems credible to me, but I haven't seen anyone else release that # yet... hmm I've only found 2, but I think I need to explore more up there.
@@FalxHunter Oh I'm sorry, it was RonMctube that said their are 10 snow leopards th-cam.com/video/Qbq-ZQLb6cY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x0D67a6xpwG11p8P it's 6 minutes, 50 seconds into the video
I understand that for sure not everybody is up for a jump scare and it might be a barrier to participation for those who are in that category. I suppose one good thing about the drink time is you know that the tigers are not prowling and you can find them specifically at certain lakes. That is a unique perspective on accessibility and I appreciate that your comment made me think of that.
This argument boils down to the entire player base being gone and I effected but content creators think it’s ruining the game because it gets them less views 😂you think a large portion of the player base should stop having fun so you and Clinton can get some extra views ? Seems super selfish to me ngl
@bigfishinlittkebritain9808 see why you'd have this perspective. I know a lot of people complain that some of the bigger content creators who are grinders get more attention than others. For some people however it's really not about viewership rather just concerns about mechanics in the game not feeling balanced and the degradation of the value of trophies. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
@thomasgroom8277 I've watched that saga a little bit and I don't want to sink into it. The reality is that grinding is here to stay in the entire game is currently designed around the concept. I mentioned this at one point in the video. To me the issue is that we were promised a different style mechanic and I feel like the drink sounds defeat the purpose of it.
Hi. For sure, I will not subscribe to your private space if not free to express myself as i feel it. So I wont be banned. I am against hunting Lions, Tigers, Rhino, Elephants, panda....in games. The main argument I heard is ITS JUST A GAME. NO. IT'S NIT. I am African and grew up with many fairy tales around lions, its part of our culture. When Walter Palmer flew from US to Zimbabwe and killed Cecil the lion. The narration has changed. Now kids and grand kids know the white man is coming in Africa just to kill for fun. Many generation will have that vision. How many content creators have we seen after few hours of playin VOTW grabbing their guns and bows to go hunt in real lufe and come and bragging with? Do you still thinking its ONLY A GAME? TIGERS shouldnt be in COTW nor LIONS. I guess soon we will hunt Elephants, Rhino etc.... I hope they will STOP and keep only one tiger on the map and nit "grindable". Thanks for the concern, but take it further...
Bruh 😂😂 says the same guy that maybe plays cod and other games that you can do things that you can't do irl, if you can't separate games from Real life, get yourself in a asylum tbh
@carrancudogamess3824 This feels a little antagonistic. I think a better approach might be to say I understand their concern. In reality most people who hunt in video games likely don't have the money or resources to jump into real safari style hunts... hence why they play games instead. I see where your concerns are.
@belkassem06 your comment has given me a lot to think about and wades into very powerful considerations, especially given the history of how colonialism impacted the practice of hunting in places like Africa, India, and many others. You're right. If we were going to speak to the conservation message that we need to acknowledge the entire history and not just pieces of it. The only concern I would gently say is less likely to be realistic is the idea that people who play games what are hunting themed are always going to go out pick up a rifle and go hunt these rare and endangered species for trophies. In all likelihood people play these games because they can't afford to do that in real life and because of the very real restrictions on that type of hunting. Those restrictions are good things and should remain in place, and not everyone should have access to those kinds of animals. These games offer a viable alternative that does not threaten the real populations. While it's not outside the realm of possibilities that it could happen - a player was plenty of money and resources to actually buy into a real Safari type hunt - for the general masses this is likely unreachable. I do very, very sincerely appreciate that you bring a first-hand perspective of how it has impacted your country and why you have such intensive concerns about it, though. If we were to have a dialogue around what hunting means to the various regions of the world, I would welcome your shared perspective.
I think the great thing about this game is the option to hunt how you like and them having drink zones is one of those options you dont have to hunt them like that i think having the freedom to do it how you like is the best part of this game it doesnt force you into this singular method
That seems to be the consistent feedback I've received! Thank you for taking a moment to comment.
We should be allowed to play the game we paid for any way we want to play it. this is one of the CON's of this community, members that don't, can't or understand how to grind see the "grinders" getting rares or diamonds quicker and complain in discord and all this BS comes from it. If EW remove the drink zones tigers will be killed less and less to the point where this map like many others will become background noise like the maps that have flopped. just play the game and stop complaining people. being a EW CC isn't what its made up to be, that also comes with many CON's.
I'm sure there are many cons to being an official creator with expansive worlds. I know there's certain limitations on certain content that can be produced, and I would accept that as part of that experience. I also feel that if expansive world says something about one of their play experiences they should be held so that expectation. It is the only way that they will grow and continue to create amazing experiences for the community. The issue I have is that the current state of things renders the rarity of the tiger trophies a moot point. Thanks for taking a moment to comment!
Im not going to comment on the guts of this video here but will comment on these comments lol. Of course I'm bias, I work with EW, but I was a creator first. I have never, nor could I imagine, what could be considered a con to being a CC with EW. There are no restrictions, other than when you can air your early access content, ew does not tell anyone what they can or can't do in their content.... honestly that was such a strange comment for me to read I had to say something. So strange
Thanks for commenting @Jaxybeard! That was the only thing I was referring to with regard to limitations on the production of content and how some might see it as a con - the limitations on Early Access and new release information. I know a lot of people are very passionate about things like completing the missions and being asked to wait as a content creator might be challenging for some. One thing I am working on is patience - when I'm really eager to do something and am asked to wait, it can be challenging. That's the only thing I was thinking. 😁
Reading back on what I wrote, I can see how my word choice might imply that EW tightly controls its marketing and messaging through it's CCs. That was certainly not the intention and I will be more mindful of word choice moving forward.
Thanks for keeping me honest and putting your two cents out there!
@irish hunter. People long forgot about the community. It's all about ego stroking now.' I can't do it which means nobody else should be allowed to' mentality
I really think people just need to relax a bit. It’s a game. If you choose to grind for that tiger trophy - great! If you didn’t grind for that tiger trophy - great! How someone else chooses to play has literally zero bearing on my own gameplay. An abundance of trophy animals (tigers in this case) being posted by people who grind to get them in no way devalues my own trophy. I know how much - or how little - effort I put in to achieving that result. Waste no time worrying about what other people think or believe.
As for the ethics of being able to shoot 160 tigers in a single grind session when it’s an endangered animal? Seriously, it’s a game. They’re not real tigers. When playing RDR2 I shot anything and everything that looked at me funny. This in no way reflects my real life values and ethics. Everyone needs to calm down and just enjoy playing the game in whichever way they find the most fun.
What I am learning as a result of this is that the conservation messaging is a moot point. 😊 It is just a game and *I* need to let go of that thought moreso than anyone else. Thanks for your thoughts!
I personally like the three lake grinding method because it gives people like me who don’t get to spend hours every day searching for something as cool as a tiger trophy. Although I understand how it could make people like yourself angry how people can sit for hours and grind this method to get tons of rares and diamonds and make them less crazy as they are I still think the three lake method is still good. The other nice thing is the snow lepords are like that. Also the other part like you said is that you don’t need to hunt them in there drink Time and you can still stumble across them while regularly hunting.
You were the first comment I read that brought up the issue of time in the availability of it to play and I really appreciate that perspective because you're right, it is more challenging when you're casually playing to find cool trophies in a timely manner due to their rarity. I know that's reflective of the real world and how where animals like piebalds, albinos and melanistic are. When you're playing a game, however, sometimes there's this desire for a quicker outcome because of the lack of available discretionary time. That's something I need to consider in my perspective, so thank you for raising awareness of it. Also, thank you for taking a moment to comment. I appreciate it!
I don’t think that the drink zone should be 100% removed, I think that they should code it in a way that if you stay too long in an area, the tigers should avoid it, much like real life, this would remove the grindability but also allow casual players to hunt them… but that’s all highly unlikely to happen.
I really like this idea! I think if the drink zones were more dynamic in a way like this it would feel more balanced to many of the players in the game. As always Liam your ideas knock it out the park!
@@liamsstudio_44 I feel the same way falx does. I think you should suggest this in the forum for all. I think it would be easier for the Devs to do as a whole rather than singling out 1 species. Maybe I'm wrong. They're the ones who would know.
Off subject but what will you think if they added Elephants my opinion that would be cool but what would y’all think
I think now that the game has experimented with more animals that are considered more endangered than others in the game, I don't think elephants are that far behind. I truly believe that COTW's final map will be Africa 2.0 if it doesn't come sooner. I just see it is like the big finale before they move up into a new engine or something like that. It could be that it would come sooner with a couple of smaller maps after, but regardless, it's definitely on its way with the kinds of animals that the players have been demanding. Thank you for your comment!
I feel like everyone should be able to play the game like they want. I think grinders should be able to grind the game, and casual hunters should be able to just casually hunt. I feel like this game cost money people should be able to enjoy it how they want.
Agreed! It was more concerned about the message that the tiger would be very rare and that doesn't seem to be the case. Thank you for your comment!
Ultimately, I don't care because if it doesn't impact me. I know what my trophies mean to me. I also understand that some people center their lives around a video game and, therefore, have many more trophies than I do. Some people grind 10 hours per day and have multiple GOs. I will probably never see a GO. That's okay. It's not real life. It's entertainment. Don't let what others do or have diminish how you feel about your trophies.
I love what you said at the end of your comment about not letting others determine the value of your trophies. I think that's a very important point to remember for all players. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
I really don't understand why how someone else plays their game. They paid for it their time their gaming system which might I add they paid for so I don't understand
I agree totally! People should play how they want to play, especially if they're purchasing the product for themselves. The issue I have, however, is that EW said the tigers would be rare and, more importantly, hard to find. They are not hard to find if they have a drink zones and can be over harvested. Thank you for taking a moment to share your concerns!
@@FalxHunter just don't hunt them during their drink time if u want them to be harder to find. just because an animal has a drink time doesn't mean u have to hunt them during the drink time
First let me start by saying I dont grind or herd manage. I have no problem with tiger drink zones and leopards not having them. My biggest issue is the people taking it to the extreem saying if you dont hunt the way they want you to then you are cheating. It is tearing this community apart. EW has said grinding and herd management are not cheating, its just another way to hunt. I only did 1 grind when the WT first came out and didnt enjoy it so I basicly run and gun. I feel if I pay real money for the game i should be able to play the way I want. The only thing I dont agree with is people who hack the game and use mods and then post them as real accomplishments. If they want to play that way then do so but dont act like you earned something you just hit a button and put on the map. As far as content creators, they are doing what their viewers ask for, if they didnt then they would lose their viewers.
If I decided that I want a trophy elk, I’m going to go find a content creator that has a video on the most efficient way to hunt them. Your right on that’s what the viewers want.
One of the points you make is very poignant. For entertainment value, grinding is the way to go for most content creators. I also agree that everyone should be able to play the game as they desire, and that includes grinding. I'm not against the grinding mechanic because I myself practice it as well, my disappointment comes with the fact that I thought we were built up to expect one thing for the Tigers and feel like the expectation wasn't that. I expected them to be just as difficult as snow leopards, but with a drinking zone, it removes some of the puposefulness of its special mechanics. Thanks for taking a moment to point out some very important aspects of the conversation! They are very insightful.
Agreed! Very insightful thought!
I really like how the snow leopards don’t have drink zones so I’m curious why the tigers have drink zones
I agree! I'm not sure why they went with water drink zones for Tigers knowing that they would be easily grinded. I'm glad that members of the community are raising the issue with the developers and they are looking into it. Thanks for your comment!
@@FalxHunter Could the reason be that animals at such high elevation are eating snow?
@@illbetheone779 did you mean elevation?
@@rotoocold3444 Correction, thank you
This may be part of thought process but more likely it's to force players to actually look for them.
Personaly l disagree with you hear is what I mean:
1. Hunting thigers in the drink zouns do not defeds the perpous of them hunting you, as even thou you can hunt them in the drink zones, they could and would hunt you whail you are hunting other animals in theyer therytory eg. estarday I was ambuscht by a thiger twaic whail hunting other animals
2. I do not agree that posybility of grainding thigers is enyhow opousing the conserwatino mesage as in the end all animals hunted are virtual, if grainding them is enyhow harmfull to real one I would argue we shuld not have them in the game in the first place
Whats more whail the conservation mesage is importend for the game, I would say making map fun is just as importent if not more importent for example many animals on the previous maps are invasiw or anles not naitiw to the region, whail some storylains make it a point and educate players whay thous animals shuldent by there, others make it seam as if they were inportent for the reserw they are in some examples are
- wather bufolo, blackbuck and axis dear in parqe fernando
- ring necked phesend in rancho del la Royal
- fallow dear and ring necked phesent in hirshwilden (Yes thous animals are not naitiw to cenyral europ, many pepol don't know abaut it)
And yet could you emagin thous maps without thous species?
I however would agree that given how much it was emphacais in the story misions that only maneters can by hunted, we should by able to shot a thiger and get a full score on it only if sed thiger would by aggresiv twords the players, otherwais we should get no score just like with hunting grounded phesent
3. Hunting animals that was almoust whaipout becous of hunting in the past is nothing new to the hunter call of the wild, europian bison was at some point extinct in the wild and almoust extinci in general (from all I know they were only 12 left, thou I don't know how akurat this number is) and yet we can hunt them in the game
4. Whail I 100% agree that casual hunting is far more enjoable then grainding it is not the case for some part of the comunity, mayby it is controvrertial opinion however I think that making ungraindable species is not fair twords this part of the comunity ( it is propably imposibel anyways given how creative humanbeeings are, give it few months moust, and I am almoust shour that we would see videos like "best way to graind snow lepard" anyways)
Beter solution would ( in my opinion of cours) be to eider adjust trophy animals spown reats so that they could be realisticly okwayerd without grainding (including grate one of cours), or idealy making a setting like casual/grainder that would allaw players to decaid wheder they like plaing the game in the way it is curently, or in the way that would make it realistic, thou stil extremly rear to get grate one naturaly (obwisely it should be visabel which setying is on bouth in multi Player and whail wathing trophys in the loge)
5. Like I mention elier in my opinion thigers do provide a uniqe expirienc as they still might atack you unexpectadly whail you are exploring the map, having a drink zone just make it so you can chose to hunt them in more mondain way if you would like to
6. It is definytly the moust subjective of all opinions I have prezented I devinitly do not agree that ability to graind for trophy thigers decre the value of trophys you get without geainding at all as it is entairy ap to you how huch you value them
To put it in a perspective if you would find suprerear albino Brown bear without grinding on your map would it be any less vaylebel to you becous many players get it from misions?
In my opinion it would not mater in the slightest, and the same is the case for bengal thigers
IMPORTANT: If enythng I sed is enyhow was offencive, rood or inapropriet in eny posible way I sencerly appologais, it was not ment to be, and I am sorry if it somhow is
Wow.. 🤦♂️
You raise some very interesting points! One thing I do agree on is that yes this is a game, and yes the conservation message is a challenging things to balance because while the game and especially the new mission on the Sundarpatan talks very heavily about conservation, in the end it is still a game with animals that we can hunt and some of them are either at risk or endangered.
Also challenging to balance is the casual versus grinding way of playing the game. You're 100% correct that there are people who absolutely love the grinding mechanics, and I know that it is not going to be an easy thing to balance with those who seek more casual experience. I think if the animal behaviors were more randomized and they didn't come to the same places at the same time each day that might help with the situation you could still grind but you would have to be more nuanced about it. Overall, this conversation is not easy, and finding a way to make both sides of the community felt heard and respected is a challenge. If theHunter: Call of the Wild wants to build themselves as the most authentic hunting game in the genre. However, grinding is obviously not an authentic hunting method.
Thank you for taking the time to share such a comprehensive and well thought out comment.
There's more to chew on and think about and what you said, and I will take it into consideration.
The animals on Parque Fernando aren’t invasive. They were brought there for hunting and are only found on said ranches. That would be like saying every animal that has been brought to Texas is invasive or Whitetail on Revontuli. The same applies to Pheasant.
I have to say, as a person with little time to actually play I enjoy the way tigers are. I can't spend much more than 3 hours in a lucky day off to play usually. I may grind for those few hours and then in back at working or life things.
And as a person that has tried the 3 lake grinding method the tiger does move. He has at least 6 or more zones. Personally I've actually lost where the tiger's went in my map.
I dare say I'm enjoying how the new map is. Its fun a bit of a challenge without being overwhelming. Considering theres so much to grind for both in the new map and others. I understand the frustration, 'its too easy', but im happy some of us could get something nice in my trophy lodge for once that isn't a common gold, or rare ranked nothing.
Not saying that anyone has to enjoy it. I get it, makes rare tigers it no where near as special as it could be for grinders. But on the same token for everyone who doesn't enjoy the grind. As it gets repeative and old, same thing/ same animal, as well as not everyone has time. Its just one animal out of the other list of creatures to hunt. Just one less animal to worry about grinding for.
Guess what i want to say is. If the tiger isn't for you just don't hunt it. Or rather hunt it as often as you like and don't worry about the rest. You likely have a tahr grind to worry about if nothing else lol.
Anyways if you made it to the end of my rant, Happy Hunting! And I hope u get a Great One!
You're not the only person who's commented on this video with this perspective about time in the availability of time to play the game. As somebody who also works full-time and has a family, I totally respect that. It can be just as frustrating to try to casually play and spend those few precious hours looking for something cool and not just not finding anything as it is to grind the same animal over and over repetitious in hopes of getting something special as well. This is a very important perspective we must keep in mind when considering the issue. Thank you for taking the moment to comment and for wishing me luck! I did read all the way to the end, and I'm glad I could provide space for you to share your feelings. Happy Hunting as well, and good luck to you! 😊
Sorry if any of this came out rude I promise I didn't mean it to sound that way! 😭
@tasheatae5742 not at all! I felt you were very respectful, and I enjoyed hearing your thoughts. I hope you'll stick around for further adventures!
i'm not sure why people are saying to remove their drink zones. if u don't want to grind tigers during their drink time then just hunt them when it's not their drink time. the whole beauty of this game is everyone can play it the way they want. there's no grinding in woth and it's not as popular as this game. if they start limiting cotw they will just end up killing the game altogether. just because some content creators want to grind tigers doesn't mean i have to hunt them that way. if u start removing drink zones then u are just limiting the ways people can play the game. if u don't want to grind ...then don't grind. i don't feel like playing woth where i have to wait weeks for my animals to get 5 star or they don't even make 5 star and die before that or I end up shooting a 3 star that had good genetics that could have made 5 star. i'm not interested in that mechanic...it's too much of a guessing game.
I definitely see the comparison between WOTH and COTW and how the different mechanics influence the outcomes. My only thing is that if EW anticipated this being a way to hunt the tigers, then it shouldn't have been built up to be so rare and elusive. It takes a bit of lake hopping, yes... but with drink zones, they are easier to find than spotting them in the bush or getting jumped by them. Just my two cents. Thanks for your thoughts and feedback!
I agree
I keep coming back to your channel to check for new COTW content. I enjoyed your point of views, your talking points on the game etc.
It was this comment that inspired me to come back after a brief hiatus. Thank you so much JBiz!!!
@@FalxHunter thank you! I just find your content a kindred spirit to my content. You are the voice for us players with a day job, kids and other priorities. Plus, it’s just very mature and safe
@JBizHunts ^^^ this right here is why I do what I do. 🤜🤛
Good for lady for figuring it out
Thank you lady 👍👍
I am sure she appreciates it. 😌
People complain to much about grinding and how it’s bad but the three lakes it’s just a easy grind method people complain to much
I understand your point of view with this. There have been times when I have felt inundated in the casual versus grinding message. I think for me, I only have the issue with the specific animal just because of the messaging we received leading up to the release. Thank you for taking a moment to share your comment. I'm happy to look at ways to craft my message so it doesn't sound like a complaint but rather more of an examination of my own feelings.
I mean yeah its fun to find and hunt the tigers and other animals but then it gets really frustrating because you cant find them at all.
I understand they can be challenging to find if you're not grinding them. I personally feel that's what made them fun! However I can totally see how it might be problematic especially if you don't have a lot of time to play.
I am one of the people that really rely on the Tiger drink zones for my grind and it would be devastating for me if they where gone but I also see your point of view and respect it but I think instead of trying to push to change something and it take away you should try to avoid that style of hunting we can go in our separate ways of hunting without conflict
I read both your comments, so I will reply just here. But you raised some very important points that other commenters have said. For people who have limited time to play grinding is one of the best ways for them to get rare trophies and that's something I need to consider when evaluating my viewpoint. Whether or not they change the mechanic is not going to be solely up to me. Hopefully they take a fair and balanced approach to both sides of the argument and find some sort of good compromise. Thank you for taking a moment to comment - I really appreciate your time
Then don’t hunt drink zones
Yeah, this issue is so controversial. I would say that the game will be extremely more difficult, if there's no drink mechanism. I tried the traditional ways like stalking and ambushing instead of camping in drink zones, but could only get few bucks after a session of playing. This is exactly what hunting is in reality; however, it will erode normal players' happiness who open this game after a long boring working day for relaxation.
Many commenters have mentioned the lack of discretionary time for long-term gameplay. That is influencing and changing some of my perspective around the argument. I know as I work a full-time job and have a family sometimes it is nice to have an option to get a quick and easy trophy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I’m also not a grinding type player, but for some reason grinding, the Tigers gives me joy and especially with there being seven rares in two very rare’s. There’s just always stuff out there for me to get.
The tiger rares aren't very rare though.
Agreed! There's always something to go out and find, and I think that's what the Allure of the game is. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
@maverik5167 That's definitely what it seems like with the way the update has gone...
I wish they would just give options to completely remove all zones from view so we can hunt without knowing where the animals will be, I don't grind at all but understand those who don't have much time to play want to still have a chance to find some great trophies. but when I hike through these maps and find a Diamond it mean so much to me, I can't imagine just jumping from one place to the next just shooting. 1700 Hrs in game and I have never seen a Great One. I am ok with that. because I want to hike and find one naturally. it will be the Greatest. Please an option for animal reset every so many days so I don't see the same antlers or animals over and over again that I will never shoot because they are to small. Have fun hunting!!
You can technically remove the POI or point of Interest icons from your hunting HUD by going to the system setting in the main menu. I know what you mean though by not having the need zones be so consistent. I would love to have the more randomized as well. I would absolutely love to see the addition of more randomized rack generation and I think a lot of players would like to see that too.
As far as a means to do population resets I think that idea is starting to gain traction. It could be an optional opt-in function that the community can choose whether or not they want to participate in. I know for myself I would join in a heartbeat. I like the randomness of generalized hunting. Thanks for your comment!
then don't hunt their drink zones.
No one is forcing anyone to hunt their drink zones. Who cares what someone does with their game in their own house. I do understand people wanting to control how other people play a game. Mods are a thing but no one is up in arms over that situation?
Fair point and one addressed in the video. It's not really about not hunting the need zone so much as its impact on the rarity of the trophies. Thank you for taking a moment to comment.
Oh I am absolutely up in arms about the mods issue. Check out my video titled "I don't trust multiplayer and neither should you." I really think there's something that needs to be done about mods and anti-cheating in general.
@@kscfishtanks that's exactly my point, why ruin the game for other people when you can just play the way you want to?
@@FalxHunter i also only get 1 hour a day so grinding is the only way for me to get trophies.
I think it was a matter of time before someone figured out a home range. Also it was the choice of EW to give them drink zones. Every animal that has drink zone could be called a fish in a barrel. I understand that your disappointed in the expectations that EW put out there for the Tiger and it fell short for some people. I believe people should play however they want to if the game allows for it. What mostly matters is how much joy each trophy brings to a player once they get it.
Sometimes, it's difficult to keep this in mind when we are community based on sharing our accomplishments. One of the aspects of this community is that there is an underlying current of competition, especially among content creators. Finding rare and elusive trophies can feel less impactful and come across as less valuable when everybody can achieve them in short order.
I agree that everyone should be able to play how they want. I myself have used heard management and grinding to achieve my great ones so there are no qualms with that at all. It's really the fact that I felt like there was an expectation built up, and it wasn't quite delivered on. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
Yeah I was surprised tigers did have a zone
Me too! I was under the impression that they wouldn't, but apparently was wrong.
The simplest fix if they are going to provide drink zones for the Tigers, which they should as Tigers do drink, would be to make the zone a 24 hour zone and if it's possible to add the 'I need a drink' mechanic to the AI of the tiger, that way it will be random as to when they will turn up, Tigers like to bathe too so it would make sense that they turn up willy nilly in places and you can't set your watch by them
You and several other commenters have said the same thing and I think this is a wonderful idea. I definitely think the AI needs a tweaking and that the need zones be more random. Then the hunting would feel a lot more authentic. Thank you for taking a moment to share!
We should be allowed to play and hunt as well please and that's what we do and you have a very small community compared to the people who grind really hard all the time cause people wanna see the cool furs and racks
I truly don't have an issue with the grinding mechanic because that is literally what the game is based on whether people know it or not. Even if you hunt slowly and methodically, every animal you harvest comes back as something else. That's the nature of grinding. I think we're my message gets lost is that I feel like we were built up to expect one thing and something else was delivered. I truly expected them to be as rare and difficult to find as the snow leopards. While they are difficult to find, the water drink zone removes some of the special nature of their mechanics, in my opinion. Definitely play how you want, and I definitely understand your point when you say that people want to see cool for types of racks. I certainly do. LOL, thank you for your comment and for taking this moment to say your thoughts!
@@FalxHunter thank you for not thinking I was meaning anything disrespectful
@po1sonedsoul absolutely! I think it's important to learn from other people's perspectives. If you'd come out calling me names or saying I'm "crying, whining," etc... (you know, being PURPOSEFULLY antagonistic), that would have resulted in a non-answer. I have allowed some comments that are borderline antagonistic through because I felt like I could redirect the conversation in a more positive way. If nothing else, I hope this video and the comments attached to it are teaching people how to respectfully talk to one another. LOL thanks for being one of the good ones! 👊
I recommend having drinking time, but with more options, maybe 2 or 3 drink time and you don't know when they will come. It's like they are respawn in different lakes. the drinking time will change but not fix in what time to what time. The fixed time will make it easy for players to hunt them down.
There are many commenters who have the same idea, and I like that you all think alike! I think if need zones were more dynamic, many of these issues would feel more balanced. Thank you for taking a moment to share your thoughts!
Mate, you and no one else need to feel guilty about grinding pixelated animals. Almost everyone I know who grinds for GO, rares, and SR, are intelligent, thoughtful people who care about irl conservation.
Grinding is completely optional, and is never explained through in game tips or tutorials. We don’t need an option to ‘randomly reset population’ to simply choose not to hunt drink zones.
Just keep making your content the way you want to. Keep hunting the way you want to. Don’t fret about how other players seek what’s valuable out of the game in their own way. Enjoy the rares and dimes with their increased spawn rates!
I stumbled across this channel a few weeks ago and I’m really glad to see your videos popping up in my suggested section! Keep it up!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter! I think for me I have really bought into the message of ethical play in the game and trying to make it as real as possible. I know that sounds strange because I am also a grinder, and a user of herd management. I would like to think that the ethics surrounding the game were more important than quick trophies but it's panning out that maybe this is just an opportunity to get something special that you otherwise couldn't get in real life. Thank you for sharing, and thank you for the encouraging words on my content!
With all do respect I disagree because if you don’t want to do the grind then don’t do it if people don’t like to do the grinding then you can’t ruin it for the people who want to grind after all it’s just a video game and we’re all trying to have fun right 👍
You're absolutely right about personal choice. I think for me it's challenging because we exist in a community that likes to share and be proud of our accomplishments and sometimes it feels challenging because of the disparity in the speed at which these rare and Elusive trophies can be obtained. I've heard arguments on both sides of the aisle about the availability of discretionary time and playing and how grinding helps them get trophies they wouldn't otherwise be able to get in real life because they just don't have time to play. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!
my opinion only, I feel everyone should hunt/play the game as they wish cause in the end you are the one you have to satisfy with your trophy's and how you get them. I myself wish it were even easier to get some rare's and trophy's cause I don't have the time to play to have to kill 5000 certain animals to get a good one. But as I said just my opinion.
I agree that the game is dynamic enough that everyone can play how they choose. It can also be very frustrating for someone like yourself who may not have a lot of time to play and therefore have challenges finding rare and elusive trophies. I'm a little bit in that boat myself. I do like the realism because animals like piebalds, albinos and melanistic are so very rare in real life. However, it is a game. Maybe if it were a little bit easier, it wouldn't be such an issue for some people. Thank you so much for taking a moment to comment. I appreciate your thoughts!
What is grinding
The definition of grinding as the community uses it is the intense, intentional shooting of animals over and over at water drinking need zones to quickly expedite the spawning of diamond and rare trophies. Those players that go repetitiously to the same need zones over and over again and shoot one or two of the animals out of each zone are what we call grinders.
I'm a casual player/grinder/HM grinder and I will agree that the tigers should have only had rest/fees zones if not any at all since sundarpatan release I've shot 3 tigers in drink zones and it wasnt exciting at all the 10 I've killed by accidentally running into them were so awesome one scared the crap outta me yesterday
I tend to agree with you! I do enjoy it when they jump me and scare me while I'm hunting something else. I absolutely love that mechanic and hope they don't get rid of it. Thanks for commenting!
OK, before I start I wanna make sure if anything comes across as disrespectful or anything like that please do not take it like that. I get out when EW was talking about the Tigers and how there’s only gonna be 16 and how elusive they’re going to be it sounded like it was gonna be a super hard thing to get. But if you still want that type of experience then don’t hunt the drink zones if this Three Lake grinding method is an exploit in your opinion or annoying or just doesn’t feel real then don’t do it, if you want the surprise of finding a diamond or a rare don’t hunt there drink zones and just run around the map and wait for it to kill you lol. So in my personal opinion and in my eyes when I look at it I don’t see the three Lake drink zone or on grind being that big of a deal only because if you don’t want it to be that easy then don’t do it. I would love to talk more about it just let me know.
The issue isn't that players who hunt the traditional way should just not do it. When you're a part of this community you watch videos and see posts from others hunting. And these people are churning out super rares and great ones like they are diamonds for us regular players. The issue is partly that EW has distinguished people that hunt the seemingly intended way are seen as "casuals" while the grinders are seen as advanced players who understand the game mechanics. I for one have done both and despite grinding red deers for a month learned to hate it. I think the more role-playing immersive side of the community just wants more love. Like Falx said about the snow leopards, they should have just made tigers the same way.
@@Togglez97 I get what you’re saying but at the end of the the day the “grinders” and content creators have thousands of more hours than you and me and will always have more trophies since it’s quite literally their job to. Also while EW has acknowledged that theirs a difference in play style they have never talked down upon the ones who choose a more casual style of play, they are just casual players and there is nothing wrong with that.
@@ihateslothzz1884 I just disagree with the premise that hunting the way you were intended to makes you a casual player. Look at channels like TheHunterDD33 for example. Dude has been playing the game the way it is intended for like 7 years now and he is by no means a casual player. It’s just a different way of playing the game
@@Togglez97Exactly! Just a different way of playing the game that you bought with your own money so how everyone else plays it shouldn’t affect you or me
IMO the way tiger changes their drink zones is fine. But it needs to be a bit more randomized so that those 3 lakes dont always have them. It is a game at the end of the day, even after any amount of randomness its still codes, there will always be a pattern which people will eventually figure out and make it grindable. The only possible solution is to remove any zones for the tiger which is not only extremely inaccurate but also will quickly become annoying when you get attacked when hunting for something else, causing the map's popularity to drop drastically. Should their zones be randomized so that they are harder to find; yes. Should they be completely removed? No, tigers spend a lot of time near water. May be code it such that 2 males cant be in close proximity to each other. Then they will not drink from the same lake, and you will have to cover a lot of area to find them as even on lakes you are not guaranteed to find them.
Erase some very important points. Without drinking zones, the immersion with the animals does seem impacted because we all know that realistically, the animals do seek out and need drink times. I like your solution to the challenge though by saying it needs to be more randomized even to the point where in a 24-hour cycle they just randomly go to drink when they feel they need to I think if they applied this principle across all populations it might help pull us back from the intensive fish in a barrel type grinding. Great thoughts! Thank you for your comment!
Can we all just take a minute a realize that we as a community are okay with the exploit HM, but not okay with the exploit of 3 lakes? I do it because I don’t know about you all but I don’t have 10+ hours a day to “hunt” them.
I’m in college…full time. I work…part time. My time is limited in general. If you want to hunt them legit. Then DO that. But don’t sit there and say us who choose to grind them as “less than” that mindset will destroy ANY community over time.
I personally don’t get the logic in the hate for this when we all grind drink zones anyways. To each their own 🤷🏻♂️
There's actually a whole segment (probably about half) of the community that does not agree with HM, but since EW has come out to say they don't see it as an exploit, there's not much they can do. And for the record, I also grind. I have completed three successful herd management grinds for three of the GOs. This issue I take is not with grinding overall per se. It is about how the message we got about the tigers was that these would be treated differently, with greater care about the experience hunting them, but giving them a need zone defeats that message. While humans love the path of least resistance, I would prefer them to have been like the snow leopard.
You're among a few commenters that have raised the issue of time, so you're not alone there, and it's a very important part of the dialogue. Thanks for sharing your insight!
I understand where your coming from but I love lake grinding tigers
Thank you for taking a moment to share your opinion! I know that a lot of players actually do like the grinding mechanic. Finding balance between that and casual hunting is always going to be a challenge for expensive worlds now that both styles of gameplay have taken such strong roots. I wish you luck in finding what you're looking for!
Would it matter if the player was limited to how many tigers or snow leopards you are allowed in a certain time? In real life many hunters will not shoot a smaller animal and wait for the biggest. Do I not shoot the Mythical and wait for my Legendary?
This is a great point to make because it is reflective of a real life hunting. A lot of times in real life you're waiting for the next big trophy and the one that steps out on the field may not be the one that you're desiring. So you choose to wait for the next one. I know that Way Of The Hunter has similar mechanics with their five-star system and the way the animals grow in age over time. I kind of wish the mechanics and call the wild were similar. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
Well, once again the part of the community that doesn't like something about the game will force the change. It is what it is I guess. I miss the first wolves we got where they were super aggressive. I hope people wont complain about Tiger aggression too, it'd be like taking a gun to a petting zoo.
Change is nature and the way we grow. I absolutely do agree with you however that some animals did not need to have their aggression nerfed in the way they have in the past. Take grizzly bears for example. They will attack you, but now it's so rare it's almost surprising that it even happens. I love the aggressive wolves and I wouldn't change them for the world except to make them even more aggressive, I think. I absolutely hear what you're saying in your statement about being frustrated with directional growth that doesn't necessarily align with our personal values. Thank you for taking a moment to share that perspective!
I've not spent much time on the new map yet and have yet to spot a tiger drinking. Both Tigers I've taken so far were because I was running around in their areas unlocking as many zones for all species as I could find HOPING that a Tiger would take time out to hunt me.
I mean I just read that they have fixed the Lion bug where it says "fleeing" at a drink zone and they the just stand there. I understand the reasonableness of fixing that but I also think how many hundreds trophies and rares have been had via this bug that are now so so much harder.
I've watched older video's of guys making 100k and thousands and thousands of points an hour shooting slowing non-maneuvering geese.
Full time job, two kids and aging parents that need more and more help...CotW is pretty much the only game I play and even then I am luck to get 5-10 hours a week max...I'll take what ever meager wins I can get. I have resigned myself that I will probably never get a Great One.
I sort of get what you are saying.
Basically I would like a challenge and a sense of achievement but not at the sacrifice of fun.
The last statement in your comments really made me think. It is hard to balance the realism versus the fun aspect of the game. I never agreed with the water side bug where the animals wouldn't run, though. I felt that it was definitely cheapening the experience. I know I have taken advantage of it, though, so I really can't say anything.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your thoughts!
While I agree with you, I don't see what EW can do at this point. Yes, they could remove the drink time completely, but grinders would find some other way to exploit the mechanics of the game, like they always do. They seem to have an aversion to actually hunting in a hunting game and would rather just have target practice at a lake. On the plus side, they'll get their tiger Pokémon collection fairly soon, get bored, and move on to something else. For those that stream or are CCs, I don't see them retaining much of an audience for this long term either as everyone will be bored, so they'll also move on (likely back to whatever Great One they are enamored with that that time).
This is such a challenging issue from all the different perspectives, and you're right. There will be an absolute uproar if they decide to move or remove the drinking needs on times, and of course, there will be people who find other ways to utilize the practice. I always appreciate your opinion, Snail, and thank you for taking a moment to chat with me about the issues!
The Random Population would be a good idea only if EW comes out and tells us how to get a Great One/Rare, or come up with a way to get the Great Ones/Rares. The majority of the players grinds because the only want to get Great Ones and Rares. I have been saying this from the start, the grinding system is killing the game and if nothing is changes, more and more people will be stepping away from the game. The Hunter Call of the Wild is a chill hunting simulator game (a lot of players don't realize that), they should not try to make a competitive/grinding game. I hope they can find a solution to all of these issues.
I see what you're saying about the great ones and I think a viable solution would to be include great ones as mission animals, but make the missions incredibly difficult and Incredibly challenging in order to achieve one. I think that would go a long way to resolving the great one issue for sure. As always, I love to see your work and your comments, Twins! Keep up the good stuff!
@@FalxHunter I was also thinking, why not doing it like the Angler Legendary Fish for the Rares/Great Ones? I think that's a cool idea.
@@twinsdadgamer will you explain that to me? I'm not too familiar with it as I don't play The Angler all that often.
It’s nice to enjoy games for their intended purposes and experience.
This game is intended to be a hunting simulator, but with the theatrical bonus of storytelling and tangent missions.
Without this particular tiger issue, there are already ways of participating in the game using many loopholes to each gamer’s desired advantage (spawning or quick-travel, summoning ATVs, running several kilometers without a break, etc…).
In context, not to dismiss the issue here, I feel indifferent to any future changes regarding the tiger’s common availability to the player (meaning I’m fine with changes/updates as well as fine without them).
I always try to play any game as close to its intended storytelling and/or purpose as best as possible, but I can’t say I would tell others how to go about this issue (I enjoy the missions, the dialogue, the storytelling, and gaming experience).
I do feel if I did take too much advantage of any loopholes in the game, I would be robbing myself of this gaming experience (which also includes the feeling that I’ve just flushed x amount of money away).
I feel players are going to play this game how they wish, no matter if changes come or not.
There are many who play the game as a first person shooter rather than hunting simulator no matter what anyone says and I can’t do anything about that (I can’t even really worry about it).
The other side of this issue is that it does seem to many that it actively avoids the topic of conservation (no matter the species).
All I can say is thank goodness we’re talking about amateur gamers instead of live active hobbyists.
You know, I've actually thought about some of the things you pointed out in your comment. Things like resetting the time over and over in order to go and track a specific trophy, the use of fast travel, etcetera. If you compare real hunting - which is what this game purportedly emulates - with the more based practices and abilities in the game, could those things also be seen as exploitive? This is where balancing the message that it is only a game versus the real-life argument comes into play for me. Yes, absolutely, this is 100% a video game with all of the fantastic measures that you have mentioned, plus more.
For me personally the biggest disappointment was being built up to believe that tigers would be just as rare and special as the snow leopards, which I am incredibly enjoying hunting as far as the two big cats are concerned. Reading your comment has helped put some things into perspective for me. Thank you for sharing!
As someone who maybe gets a half hour to an hour every couple days. I don't want them to make it any harder then it is for me to get cool trophies. I have a real job. Don't have 100s of hours to look. I don't want a cool trophy every day obviously. But don't want it to be harder then it is either.
The problem is that the trophy is no longer "cool" if it's easy.
@brandonlowry3145 you were the first of the commenters to bring this to my attention, and I seriously appreciate it. As somebody who also works full-time and has a family, it is also hard for me as a casual player to find trophies in a fast manner. Imagine being a content creator who, for the most of the week can't produce videos about extremely rare or diamond trophies because I just don't have the time to commit to playing that much in a casual way. I know I have had moments where I have found that to be extremely frustrating and scary in a way because I feel like viewership is centered around those rare and elusive trophies. This is a very serious consideration when we talk about the grinding versus casual play nature of the game. I will definitely think about this and how it might impact my perspective overall. Thank you for bringing it to my attention and being respectful about it.
@leefswgoh7558 Definitely feel that. I hope ew can find a way to balance those aspects of the game. I think they tried with the tiger but with the drink zones they kind of missed.
I would like to start by saying, I am not a typical hunter on these maps. I tend to use my IRL ethics, when I hunt in COTW. I generally only hunt food animals and dont care about fur types or trophies. I also make sure if I shoot it, I track it down to harvest. I dont go for the mass grinding aspects. I also dont have trophy lodges to show off the kills. With all that being said, It is a personal choice. My game is taylored for me, as others is to other people. That is the great thing about this game, you can play it any way you like. I think it would be nice if EW had the option to switch population regen on or off. That way everyone can taylor make that aspect to their own style. It would be an easy thing to do, much like turning off missions. So thier is no one group that dictates over another. At the end of the day...... it's just a game.
I absolutely love an official way to reset your populations if you choose. Maybe a selection to opt in to random population resets once a week or every month or so. I think that would go a long way to help fixing the issue. I sincerely appreciate that you choose to play in a personally ethical way while giving others space to play how they want. As someone who does grind and use her management I don't have a problem with the grinding per se, rather that it was heavily implied that the Tigers would be crafted to avoid being over harvested. That's where I have the issue. If it's going to be a allowable than just say that out the box. Thank you thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective on the game.
TBF i thought this would be the map that brought me back to COTW, then i heard Tigers have drink zones, and knew it would just be a grindfest, so i can honestly say, this is no longer that map for me
It's disappointing to hear that you feel that way about the new map. I hope you find something else to fall in love with it about, but I totally understand and appreciate your point of view. I've been struggling with similar feelings, and luckily, I've been able to look at other positives that have kept me coming back. Thank you for taking a moment to share!
Honestly how I think about it everyone can play the game as they want that is why it’s a game. And u can decide urself how rare u find ur trophy is. There is no need for other people their approval for it to be a rare trophy
the thing is, u don't have to grind them. don't hunt them when it's their drink time if u don't want to grind. just because other people are grinding doesn't mean u have to stop playing the game. how other people play has no impact on ur game and ur enjoyment of it. the beauty of this game is everyone can play it the way they like
Infact grinding does affect the game, whether i choose to gring or not. Since as Falx pointed out in the video, it devalues the trophy. When i started playing COTW Diamonds were truly something to be proud of. It took months to get one, and when you did get it, it was an event. Then the diamonds became extremely common (to the point where running around the map in 1 ingame day would net you 5 Diamonds and multiple Rares. Thats when the Great One was introduced, and it was the new "Elite" trophy, except it really wasnt. I do not think actually providing players with an incredible species that truly is rare, and difficult to hunt is unreasonable to ask for.
I don't grind i just like wondering around and sneeking up on what ever i find but jeez girl chill 😊
I think that is the best form of gameplay in the game personally! Just go pick a direction and go see what you can find! Feel like I was pretty chill and sharing my message. It was just musing about some of the challenges that are facing the community currently. Maybe I'll examine my messaging and see if I can present it in a more relaxed or entertaining kind of way. Thank you for your thoughts and taking a moment to comment!
@@FalxHunter Don't worry about the rest of COTW game players. Next year a hunting games getting released where peeps are gonna be grinding Elephants and after that map probably Koalas too. 🤷🏻♂️
@@chilli-soup lol grinding koalas is my absolute dream 🤣
@@FalxHunter There you go girl, that's more like it 👍😊
@@chilli-soup lol hope you'll stick around!
I love the new tigers but not the three Lakes method because I got a initial spawning Super rare tiger and I have gotten extreme criticism from several people because of the three lakes method when it was a special trophy and my first super rare
I'm sorry that people assumed that you're super rare was from grinding. This is where it becomes an issue for me. Whether we like it or not, we're always going to compare and contrast our trophies and how they were acquired. People like you who are just that super lucky get lost in the mix. I'm sorry this happened to you. Thank you for sharing your experience here.
I 100% agree with you and if this video somehow hinders your chances of becoming a partnered creator with EW they will definetly lose my respect.
This is incredibly kind of you to say. I know that the community is extremely polarized over the grinding issue, and I feel sometimes that those who feel it grinding has had an overall negative impact on the game have very little venues to speak about their frustration. I think grinding is a viable form of gameplay don't get me wrong, but it challenges us when we're promised an alternative experience to it.
@@FalxHunter Yea, my problem with this tiger topic is that they promissed us something whlie we in reality got something completely different.
I pray that EW doesn't listen to you complaining about making tigers actually huntable by having a drink zone . If they take that aspect out of the game they might as well say farewell to most of the people playing on that map. Most people don't have a lot of time to play the game on a daily basis, so to eliminate the only way to hunt an aggressive animal without being hunted yourself is just unintelligent. If you truly understand that the game was created for everyone to enjoy and play as they see fit to do so, you shouldn't try to make it less enjoyable. If you don't like the drink zone mechanics the problem is easily fixed by just not hunting them, not by trying to have it removed for everyone. If you don't like it don't do it that way. Considering that water plays a giant roll in the life of a tiger removal of the drink zones would make this map another rarely played option and a waste of time.
I wanted to take the time to really consider what you said here thoughtfully. I definitely hear the passion you have for the game come through in your comment. One of the things I feel challenged by is the immediate association of talking about an issue with generalized complaining, so I've had to really consider what it was about my message that came across as complaining rather than also expressing my passion and concern about a game that I love. I haven't come to any personal determinations on that yet, so that's something I'm still going to have to mull over.
You're not the only one who has brought to my attention the fact that time is a factor when considering how quickly people can achieve trophies. I know there are a lot of people - myself included - who do not have a lot of discretionary time to spend stalking and ambushing their prey in ways that grinding takes care of in a matter of seconds. These are very valid points, and I appreciate you raising awareness of it so I can potentially add it to my perspective, and perhaps we consider my position.
The biggest thing I agree with that you said is that water plays a huge role in the life of a tiger. Not only for drinking purposes, but they are one of the only big cats that actively seek water and spend time cooling off in waterways and ponds. Maybe not do away with water needs zones entirely. One of the things that has been suggested is programming it so that the Tigers do not show up at the need zones on a regular, predictable basis. I think that might be something I can get behind. Maybe have three drink zone time frames, and each tiger picks one of those time frames to show up at their particular body of water. I know that the resolution to this challenge has no easy answer.
Thank you for taking the time to share your feelings and thoughts on the matter. I appreciate the opportunity to consider alternative perspectives.
I’m not trying to sound rude but me personally, I love the three leg grinding strategy but yes, I also understand how you can dislike it. Personally, I just use it as a way to just get a good trophy and get me hyped up but it doesn’t really hype other people up, so me personally, I like it but I can also see how you don’t like it and as I said, I’m not trying to sound rude
I'm not trying to hate here, but don't you feel like it's a "cheap" trophy because it's so easy? More power to you if you don't ofcourse, but for me it made the super rare tiger a lot less desireable.
@lindseylu9652 This doesn't sound rude at all! I understand how people with specialty less time will use grinding to get trophies more quickly. It's a very important perspective to take into account when looking at the challenges with grinding and casual play. Thank you for sharing your thoughts
@leefswgoh7558 I absolutely understand how you can feel this way. Balance between people who have a lot of time to hunt and those who feel like they don't. Thank you for being respectful in your reply.
Congratulations on the leopard with the bow. The Cats are basically all I've been doing since this map came out. I think 25 so far. Both species combined. Only 3 from the DZ's though. All on TH-cam. Including the only Dime, which he jumped the handgun round. Then I ruined him with the 308. But I lived. Lol!😊 Anyway Congratulations on the Leopard! Sorry about talking your ear off.
I'm glad you found it enjoyable! I really enjoyed that hunt. They are definitely challenging for sure!
I have to disagree with EW not delivering a unique experience with the tigers; they certainly have. The stalking is awesome, this doesn't all of a sudden stop being unique because you can hunt them more "effeciently" in other ways.
That being said, tigers being the "cheapest"/easiest super rare to get in the entire game is kinda silly in my opinion.
On the flip side, i really feel like with sundar they gave the non-grinder/non-hm player what they wanted with sundar. Namely leopards and a GO without drinkzones. So why focus on the tiger? Let the more casual grinders have their fun with them.
But tigers are the easiest super rare and this exploit is ruining them for evrybody else.
@@gustavlindskog8247 As i said, imo it's kinda silly that the tiger is the easiest super rare in the entire game.
However, It's just 1 "ruined" animal that's easily accessible for casual grinders. Is that really that bad?
You don't have to like it, but the game catering to different kind of players is a good thing imo.
What's also worht noting is that the animal wouldn't have been ruined if you were still oblivious to the grinding method. So is the animal really ruined if when playing normally you would have never even known about how easy it is to get?
@@leefswgoh7558 I missunderstood your first comment but I think the tigers are ruined for everyone, not just people that understrand the exploit because there will still be hundereads of diamond and rare tigers posted to different discords and such that normally wouldnt exist.
@@gustavlindskog8247 Exactly, if you aren't on discord, tigers would have been fine.
You're letting other people's experience ruin your game. That's not necessary.
@@leefswgoh7558 Agreed, but if you now are on discornd and a part of the hunting community you cant escape the detruction of tiger trophies.
I am personally on the side of the grinders. I feel like grinders should be able to play the game how we want to play the game. This goes for everyone not just grinders. I think this absolutely also applies to the tahr. I feel like grinders should be to hunt the tahrs in drink zones. I am truly happy that someone could covers this topic without a non civil argument. However, I do disagree with your statement about how the game is based around the grinding play style . This, in some cases, is true. However, lately ew has mostly made things harder for grinding the this game. Like I stated earlier, I feel like people should be able to hunt the tahr how they want. Drink zones. I feel like it is kinda unfair for the hardcore grinders to have to cater to one play style. I completely understand this feature does not make tahr ungrindable. However, I’ve heard many of people struggling with respawns and finding zones in the first place. And half the time you can’t even see the tahr because of the brush. This comment is in fact, entirely my opinion. Thank you for making a video discussing such a topic while being civil.
I think because there's been such an uproar about grinding and heard management at EW is trying to find a way to bring balance to the game. I think by starting with a few very special animals, such as the snow leopard and the tigers, they are trying to see what the community's reaction overall will be to the changes. I assume the split continues to be 50/50 but I could be wrong.
Thank you for taking a moment to comment and also being civil about your response. I really do want to understand all sides of the argument and comments like this help me reshape and reconsider my position and perspective. Thank you
If you want random spawn play classic this is just a game play it the way you want.
I recently we've fallen in love with classic and have been playing a little bit. It's very likely I'll be focusing more on that for a little bit or choosing to do population resets myself. I like the randomness of it all. Thanks for your comment!
84 years for the great one moose was very real indeed😂, however I do agree with the tigers, they need to remove drink zones as a whole that way it is a more authentic hunting experience just like the snow leopards.
That damn moose was almost the death of me. I agree with you - thank you for commenting!
100% agree, if not just for the fact that the dev’s said themselves these are rare animals to have an encounter with, I think the drink zones should be removed for them to make that comment true.
My point exactly! Thank you for your comment!
Some people want them to be more rare since they drink and some like how they are now, and if would like them to be more rare don’t hunt them during drink time. No reason to make it harder for everyone when you can just make it harder for your self, for an example I like to hunt them at night when I’m done grinding for a little more of a challenge.
I love how you're turning the whole trope on its head and hunting them at night! I can't imagine getting jumped by a tiger when everything is dark and spooky already! You're 100% correct with regard to personal choice, and I appreciate your contribution to that discussion.
@@FalxHunter the first time I tried it I died instantly cause I forgot my dog lol
@@JaxonSimmons-q2r ohhh noooo! That was my first experience as well. I died immediately after hearing the growl and I did not bring my dog with me either. Fist bump!
@@FalxHunter 👊
First. I to hunting on the tigers like on the leopards, and I haven't received anything single diamond yet, because the tiger (leopard) spawn like the diamond lions. Very very hard. Only 8 male tiger and only 5 male leopards, this could take months. Do you want the tiger like that?
Second. The tiger mecanics is raw. The tiger very vulnerable in the process of sneaking. It's easy to kill it.
In my opinion the dev. got afraid of the difficulties with the Thar and given the tiger drink time, like red herring.
I can see why you would say that and I think that's an interesting perspective. I tend to agree with you on the point you made about the Tahr difficulty. Thank you for your comment!
I found you don't need to reset your map when grinding and talked about and got lots of hate cause I asked if we were lied to
I'm not sure I'm understanding your comment and I would like to reply thoughtfully. Can you rephrase? Are you talking about whether or not population resets were possible?
I've heard about this I definitely think they shouldn't have had zones
Agreed! Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
I also think it would be a little unfair if they remove it because I would have to change my whole way of hunting
I don't play the game like a grind either way. Just running around looking for opportunities. Don't even have the disturbed veg perk, so I never know what I'll find at the end of a track. If people don't like that grinding exists, just play the way you want to play and accept that you won't have the same things that someone killing 100 x more animals will. Personally, I'd rather have fun playing and treasuring every diamond or rare trophy over repeating the same boring hunt over and over and over.
I love this! I, too, very much enjoy casual playing and seeing what's at the end of the line, so to speak. One of the things I fell in love with the most about this game when I first started playing was the tracking system. Could it use some more finesse? Absolutely. But the thrill of stalking up on your prey and not knowing if it's just on the other side of the ridge is what does it for me. Check out my hunt of the snow leopard. It was very much one of those build-me-up-to-the-outcome moments.
@@FalxHunter exactly, just this morning i spent an hour and a half tracking a Max estimate lvl 5 barasingha. Turned out to be a troll but i still got it eventually, then had an awesome close encounter with a Nice tiger while laughing at the score. The game is fun if you play it like a game instead of a chore.
I agree with you, lost interest in the new map as soon as it was revealed it's an other water hole target practice.
Yes it is a little disappointing for the specific animal. I don't mind if people grind it's just this sounded like it was going to be very difficult and very challenging to achieve these trophies which I was looking forward to.
I think it was to be expected. I myself was very surprised when I spotted a tiger drinking and the drinking time plopped up. So it did not come unexpected, the whole grinding thing. When the grinding oppurtunity is given, players will use it. Its a preference, you either like grinding or not (like me). I shot a legendary diamond yak yesterday, without grinding, pure luck I guess. I like moments like that. Let the grinders grind when it makes them happy :-)
Yeah as soon as a drinking needs one was discovered for the big cats I knew that was going to be the case. Was just shocking because I felt like it was implied that the Tigers would be like the snow leopard or not have drink zones. They may have announced that they would have drinking need zones at one point and I just missed it. I understand grinding will always be a part of the game. I was just taking a bath with the specific animal given its mechanics. Thank you so much for your comment!
@@FalxHunter Hi, you stated "I felt like it was implied that the Tigers would be like the snow leopard or not have drink zones. They may have announced that they would have drinking need zones at one point and I just missed it. " I had the same impression. However, I do like the new mechanisc of the tigers to hunt us (too). Score is now 5:3. three times the tigers got me unexpected, hahaha
@lakritzpiranha exactly! Sorry the tigers are scoring ha ha... but I love it at the same time!
@@FalxHunter 😂
I disagree respectfully. I hunt IRL and I still don’t see an issue with grinding in a video game. I don’t even grind myself but I feel no self righteousness about that. Because it’s just pixels on a screen. It’s very entertaining to see the trophies people get whether they grind quickly for them or slowly. Because just as you said the grinding mechanic is built into this game and other games. It’s just a different way of playing. If you grind for great ones and not diamonds that’s fine but it’s hypocritical as you admitted. But to judge those who want a diamond or rare quicker doesn’t make sense. Some people just don’t have the time to sneak up and stalk every single animal it would take years to get trophies on the game. Everyone has free will and choice to play as they enjoy playing. How someone plays really shouldn’t make anyone else that upset or emotional.
I tried very hard to craft my message in a way that wouldn't feel judgemental, especially since I myself grind and used herd management. I will have to listen to my message to see where I can craft it more carefully to avoid that. Really, it's not about individual players themselves but more so that the mechanic exists. I would have rather it not altogether, and that way, the rare stay rare kind of thing. I can definitely see your point on the personal choice commentary as well. I am also glad you mentioned the entertainment value of finding rears because that's what drives a lot of successful TH-cam channels that I think people forget as far as marketing is concerned. Watching somebody stalk for an hour through forest vegetation is not always the most entertaining form of watching Call of the Wild content.
I think tiger really not need drink time but thar need... i have now 1700 thar kill yes we i can grind thar but off grinder not never see thar GO that is really sad
The tahr is a whole other bucket of oats! I know there's a large section in the community that is frustrated with the fact that it does not have a drink zone, but honestly I think it's a good idea because it encourages variation in the style of gameplay. It may also be a test to see how many people will actually try to hunt them outside of water need zones.
I agree one hundred percent
I appreciate you taking a moment to comment that! Thank you for sharing!
100% agree with removing drinking zones for tigers. Make them as hard to find as snow leopards please EW
Agreeeeeed!!!! 🤜🤛
I’m not a grinding-type player, so I’m not a fan of this method at all. Especially with the tigers! I’m hoping they do remove the need zones for them, I would love more randomness.
Dont hunt them in the drink zones then. I like to grind them so let me. We can coexist
@@jurajkralik2645 for other animals, sure. However, EW had advertised this as an animal that you’d never know where it was that they could sneak up on you at any time. And that’s not how it is.
@jurajkralik2645 I really appreciate you bringing up the message of coexisting. You're absolutely right that we different players can find ways to coexist in the community. I think it's important to approach it from a balanced perspective. Thank you for sharing this thought!
@brentsimonds1101 THANK YOU!!! You put very succinctly what I was trying to accomplish by doing this video. It's not necessarily the grinding mechanics themselves in the game that I have a problem with. It's the fact that this particular species was advertised a certain way, and I don't feel like having a drink zone meets that expectation. Thank you so much for sharing that thought and helping me clarify my message.
As much as I like the Bengal tigers, in in my opinion, it would be nice to see them not have a drink time and be like the leopards where you have to go out and find them
I agree with this wholeheartedly! Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
You not wrong, this exploit came way quicker then EW expected. EW could of restricted grinding in early release and that would of delayed this. I use to enjoy seeing a creator find a special trophy because they weren't getting them all , all the time. Sadly by the time the general customer got the game the magic was tainted by revealing the trick. I Personally feel this has turned me off this map. I also find this map has too many zones where there isn't any animals. I get it is suppose to be hard , but the hard maps are the least popular ie. Rancho , Mississippi (I like a lot), New England and Parque. Tigers and leopards will likely be the main reasons this map stays in the top 5 for a bit. That being said this map is the most visually pleasing map by far and it introduced mechanics and features never seen on any other map. This should be applauded
Absolutely! I agree with most of your points with the exception that there seems to be few animals for some people. While that may be true for other players, my map seems choc-full. I purposefully avoided watching early access myself to ve as surprised as possible. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
You took the words right out of my mouth. I can't stand the channels that play this game and only GRIND GRIND GRIND. Not a single natural encounter video from them. You know who they are.... I have come to accept that it's all for likes and clicks for some, and they have sold their souls to the algorithm. I have unsubscribed from most of them, and from now on will only continue to support channels such as yours. Keep up the good work!
I appreciate it and I appreciate the tact in your comment! Grinding can absolutely become very monotonous and stale. Luckily, there are great content creators out there that provide a balanced approach to how they play and an alternative way to enjoy online content. I'd like to suggest theHunterDD33. He was one of the first channels I ever watched, and I love how he treats every hunt realistically!
@@FalxHunter Thanks, I'll definitely check it out. Just to reiterate, I'm not shaming anyone who grinds, you do you. Play however YOU like to play as a player. It just feels like such a soulless experience to jump from lake to lake all the time, although it makes for good content to fall asleep to... This is going to be a tricky one to handle from EW's side. On one hand they need to maximize sales, which means pleasing EVERYONE. On the other hand, they need to stick to their roots about this being a true hunting experience, not, "how many kills can I get in an hour just to get the grind for that super rare over". Especially regarding the "Rare and Elusive tigers".
I hope they revamp the drink system one day, although probably not possible without starting over. It's unnatural to remove drink zones, and also just as unnatural for animals to arrive and leave at a watering hole at the Exact same time everyday. But hey, at the end of the day, it's just a game. Don't want easy trophies? Stay away from water I suppose.
I understand your side of the story, and respect that. But I feel like this is not a serious as people are making it seem. I found a rare and diamond without drink zone hunting and you did too. I think it’s just something that the devs can look into and tweak in order to make it more appealing to others.
It was something I definitely needed when I was considering making this video. Just how serious do I want to be about this? Is it worth my peace of mind to wade into a very controversial conversation when you're right - it's just a game, and people don't need to take it as seriously they do sometimes. I'm glad there are commenters like you who can respectfully bring up the point and keep me honest about my personal self-examination and why I feel this issue is so important to me. I think it's because I am seeking an authentic hunting experience when I play this game, but sometimes I don't feel like it always delivers. Maybe you're right, and they can find a way to tweak it so it is more appealing between the two play styles. Thank you for taking a moment to comment and keeping me honest! 😉
I usually don't grind, I like to stumble upon my trophies. I've gotten 5 star trophies that way in the past and it's very satisfying. I'm hoping that I can, some day, stumble upon a natural spawn GO. But my opinion on the subject? To each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The concept of the tiger is very cool but also anxiety riddled for me. I don't like jump scares and that's what's prevented me from getting the map thus far, but soon, soon I'll bite the bullet (heh pun) and get the map ^^
I really need to give WOTH a second chance. I feel very challenged by the sound design in the game, though, and I'm very auditorily inclined because I have a hearing comprehension issue. However, I'm very much like you where I like to stumble across things. The good thing about theHunter Call of the Wild is that overall, it provides players the opportunity to play however they want. I just take issue when we were promised a different kind of hunting experience for a specific animal. Thank you for your comment! Hope you bite that bullet someday - it's a great map!
i hardly see the tigers,i dont grind for them,no point,if i see 1 great ill shoot em,but as said i dont see them much,and taking drink zones away is just no point imo,new sub btw
Thanks for subbing! I think they were intended to be so rare that you would hardly see them, so they're working as intended! Thanks for commenting!
I got 4 dimes and 4 diff rare from thiss grind
It's definitely a grind that produces!
I understand some people have certain feelings based on what the devs said pre release ..
Remember this is a for profit bussiness..
If they make the main selling point of the map too hard to hunt how is that a good business decision for the long term future of the game..
The map is harder to hunt and only being able to grind a solo tiger on three lakes still means you will struggle to kill more than 20-30 tigers an hour.
Lets be mature about this people...
That means for a 0.20% spawn rate ..a rare tiger you would need to play for 25 hours solid grinding tigers...
If you have that kind of time great , go for it! I wont mind!
There bigger issues in the world to worry about!
Your point about profitability is fair. Several people have come forward to say that they have limited time to hunt in a realistic way and grind as a measure to get trophies they otherwise would never see, so to them the practice is valuable. Thanks for taking a moment to comment!
I. Got 4 in like 3 hours
Like many others already mentioned, I dont grind and despise that method of playing the game , to be honest I unsubscribed all CC's channels that promote it. People play the game the way they want to play,but they shouldn't promote exploits like they do. All that work designing beautiful maps and animal models just to be ok with CC's making entire videos camping water holes and tent hopping, shooting fish in the barrel...and that's what I dont understand in EW developers...
I understand how you can feel like it's an exploit. Since the game is built on the concept of grinding whether it's quick and Intense or slow and drawn out, it's hard to achieve balance when people are finding ways to expedite what should be a slow and methodical process if it's said to be authentic. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree I will not be grinding tigers because I think it’s wrong because grinding them defeats the purpose but if others want to do it that’s fine but don’t show it online ya know
I kind of have the same mindset. If you want to do it privately that's fine but I feel like it undermines the value of the experience if it's all over every social media page. Thank you for commenting and sharing your thoughts!
@@FalxHunter no problem
@@Ericathebutcher why can't they post online? it's not like they're cheating. grinding is part of the game. maybe they need to lower the spawn rate if the rares are becoming too easy to spawn then...but then ur getting into great one territory
@@dagg310 wellll they kinda are because so the tigers where made to where there’s only 16 tigers on the map at a time right but there making to where they have infinite tigers on the map which you can disagree but I see as cheating which ever one has different opinions and hey that is perfectly fine
Well said
Well said. Personally i despise grinding as it has nothing to do with hunting & i think the respawn system of COTW is a flawed design full stop. I wish it was random spawn like Classic & my hope is that EW eventually abandon COTW to create a new HUNTING game on a new engine with random populations each session. Regarding the 3-lake method, well I'm not surprised as the creator of the method is an advocate for HM exploits & has even main menu'd a botched GO on stream so they clearly don't care about the spirit of the game.
I too am looking forward to a day when the game migrates to a new engine with new hunting mechanics. I am definitely going to stick around for that moment. I do want to say that I know who you're referring to and they have openly admitted making a mistake with the main menu great one. I can appreciate the honesty and the forthcoming nature of owning that mistake.
Someone who also grinds and takes advantage of heard management for the sole purpose of obtaining great ones I also have to acknowledge that it's a practice I do. Honestly though I wish it pretty much didn't exist in the game. For entertainment value it's one of the highest sought-after practices on TH-cam unfortunately.
Thank you for sharing your comment. 100% agree on many of your points!
Slight disagreement here. I think the drink zones should stay, IMO the way the tents work now is the problem. You can now fast travel to a tent with a blind in front and have a target 30 meters in front of you. Lets face it COTW is meant to be "Arcade'y" and fast paced this is one of the attractions for people with less available time. For those that want a immersive slow paced experience there are other games that prioritize this style of more realistic immersive play. Arcade games have always been about exploits, min-max style of play. I think the division is a touch ridiculous because the game is what it is. Play it how you want for you, or pick a game that suits your personal desires better. Personally I hate the way the Blue Sheep and the Thar are implemented, but loving the Snow Leopards. There are a lot of people in the world, you can't please everyone all the time.
All fair points! I wasn't sure about the reported change in the tent mechanics, but yeah, that's definitely a whole other issue. Lol, one at a time, I suppose! Thanks for confirming and sharing your thoughts!
At this point we really just need a different game. Grinding COTW and regular COTW are two totally different games and it would be nice if EW just split these two sections of the community. Maybe with some sort of option in the settings or a new game entirely.
I kind of wish they would consider adding an optional official way to do regular population resets for those of us who like more casual gameplay and bring it more like theHunter: Classic.
I am afraid to see how fast such grindings discussions are.
The game is available a half of the week and you are discussing it that way. I am afraid. I have had a hard working week and did not buy it unless i have time to consume it stress free.
On the other hand: EW has designed it that way, and even if your expectation is based on the introductions EW has given before release date, then EW has done it wrong!
Why is everybody able to grind tiger the 4th day after release that simple way?
Grinding black bears in night was much harder!
So for me it is a fault of EW itself, and hopefully they patch it as fast as possible!
They can move the trinking zones to more hidden areas, or let the tigers trink a shorter time or whatever.
What do you think?
I tend to agree with you and I think by building a certain expectation EW has certainly set the stage for this back and forth dialogue. I think they need to clarify quickly so certain players don't feel left behind or that their concerns can't be addressed. I appreciate you taking a moment to share your thoughts!
Keep drink zones
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Thanks for your vote! I appreciate the comment! 😁
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Bit confused, tahr, jackal and springbok do not have drink zones, so we grind the feed and rest zones. Maybe EA makes the cats troll more than the other animals. Congratulations on your Snow Leopard you killed with a bow. Will you now stop actively seeking the cat to make it more ... special? (looking for the right word, this is your game, you hunt the way you want)
Making the cats troll more often could be a viable option to help balance it. I agree that a lack of need zones for drinking would break some of the immersion in the game and already does so with several species. One commenter suggesting randomizing the times when animals come to their drink zones. I think that might be a viable solution as well. As for the snow leopards, my goal is to find an albino one. So I think I'll continue hunting them, but I am surely enjoying the challenge!
Lets also remember the massive casual community who despite giving them detailed instructions on how to grind an animal will still post a comment after playing for a year ( ive never found a diamond)... games are not made for the elitist gamer anymore... its made for the simple....
I can see what you're saying here, and I think this is a completely different topic of conversation. Many of those players may want a diamond by the most natural means possible without intensive grinding or feeling like they are grinding at all. Truth is, the game is nothing but a grind whether you casually play or not. The sooner people realize this, the better. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Every time I see someone post a diamond tiger in discord I want to fall asleep.
It's so sad that it has become monotonous so quickly. It's like within 2 days, all of the rare fur types have been discovered many times over, and everybody seems to have a diamond now. That's nice for the players, but for the concept of rarity, it doesn't support it. Thank you for taking a moment to comment!
I do get where your coming from but me personally I’m a person that does grinding is almost anything I do wether it’s on game or in irl stuff
Grinding is an absolutely fun game mechanic and depending on the game you practice it in it can be very rewarding. This is especially true for games where leveling up is dependent on how many creatures you kill. I only take issue with it when a game bills itself as an authentic hunting experience and then provides a way to shoot animals like fish in a barrel I suppose. A lot of these comments are giving me alternative perspectives that I need to consider when forming my own opinion. Thank you for being one of them and taking a moment to comment!
I used the three lake method cause i really wanted a diamond. i now have 3 rares and a diamond and i only feel like i earned one of those rares. i now refuse to hunt during tiger drink time because i feel like it ruins the whole point of the bengal tiger. I wish they didn’t have need zones
I can empathize with you. We absolutely can choose whether or not we grind those need zones. However, it is the propensity of humans to seek the path of least resistance. The allure of the grind and instant gratification can be hard to discipline yourself against. I have fallen into the trap and ended up grinding my great ones for that reason. Thank you for taking a moment to comment, and I hope you fall in love with tiger hunting all over again!
you can grind for a diamond or a great one which i have got 3 so far, or you cannot grind and just never see any rares, diamonds or great ones which you will absolutely NEVER see, and play the game getting a bunch of golds and silvers if you want, just play however you want to play and stop complaining about it. DOnt be fooled by content creators either they grind for months and months to get the footage you see for 2 min on here.
You're absolutely right! Some of them have compressed their spawn rate so much that they see a rare or a diamond every few days. I did that with my moose grind. Luckily I didn't come across any super readers because I really want that moment to have an organically. There are many ways to play for sure. I just take issue with this one specific animal. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
I like and dislike this 3 lake method! It make rare’s trivial!
They could make it so the tiger don’t stay in the same zone when kill’d , so they move territory! Could have 2-3 territories that’s always empty! So the tiger’s have an empty place to go!
Even though I hunt the 3 lakes I go round and try to hunt the other tigers on the map ! Did find my rare tiger that way!
It's definitely a hard thing to balance because while it makes tiger hunting easy, it does feel like it Waters down the Rarity of the trophies. I totally understand where you're coming from. Good luck with the need zone jumps - those can be frustrating as well!
@@FalxHunter i don’t mind the zone jumps.
Grate map to hunt on, bit tricky some times , but that makes it more fun.
I am not a grinder so I’ve come to accept the fact I will never see a great one in my game. I am in agreement with you.
That just seems how it is, isn't it? I think if EW were to find another way to have people participate in finding great ones, it would help provide some balance to the game. I think a very intensive, very difficult mission system based animal would be viable.
You don’t need to grind to get a great one.
@@cougarhunter8304 so they say, but if you don't want to wait 84 years or mod them in, grinding is the most efficient way to get them quickly. 😊
@@FalxHunter well I’ve got 5 great ones with out even trying and everyone was random encounter two whitetails two red deer and a fallow deer. And the fallow deer i got before the map narrator was done finishing the welcome to the the reserves speech so that was a horrible long grind of less then a minute and one shot. Everyone i wasn’t looking for them Just random luck 🍀 i do believe everyone has a great one of some kind on one of there maps right now. question is what species and what map and where on that map and it may not be what you are looking for but its still there. Or in other words your barking up the wrong tree If your only goal is to get a great one and don’t care what it is you probably already got one somewhere of something change maps and change often just don’t get hung up on it has to be on this and this kind. Because then you will be grinding.
This is interesting because so many people believe that initial spawn GOs are impossible.
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yes, Falx! E.W. did a great job, but hopefully they will keep improving. The 10 snow leopards in the north are very elusive and fun to hunt!
I freaking love the snow leopards, and I'm so glad they were added to the game! I hope to become an expert in hunting them and tracking them. I'm curious to know how you know there are only 10 on the mountain? Is that information out there somewhere? As always, thank you for commenting, Jodi! I'm always looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the game.
@@FalxHunter Love your hunting styles and content, Falx. thank you! Old Man Rum, I thought, but no, it was RonMcTube, released a guide saying that there are 10. He said he made sure it was correct before releasing the info. He seems credible to me, but I haven't seen anyone else release that # yet... hmm I've only found 2, but I think I need to explore more up there.
@@FalxHunter Oh I'm sorry, it was RonMctube that said their are 10 snow leopards th-cam.com/video/Qbq-ZQLb6cY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=x0D67a6xpwG11p8P it's 6 minutes, 50 seconds into the video
My thought about the tiger I don't think the tiger should not attack anybody that's my theory
I understand that for sure not everybody is up for a jump scare and it might be a barrier to participation for those who are in that category. I suppose one good thing about the drink time is you know that the tigers are not prowling and you can find them specifically at certain lakes. That is a unique perspective on accessibility and I appreciate that your comment made me think of that.
This argument boils down to the entire player base being gone and I effected but content creators think it’s ruining the game because it gets them less views 😂you think a large portion of the player base should stop having fun so you and Clinton can get some extra views ? Seems super selfish to me ngl
Falx seems okay but agree with u on KC I can't watch anymore cos its just an anti grinding cult pretty much
@bigfishinlittkebritain9808 see why you'd have this perspective. I know a lot of people complain that some of the bigger content creators who are grinders get more attention than others. For some people however it's really not about viewership rather just concerns about mechanics in the game not feeling balanced and the degradation of the value of trophies. Thank you for sharing this perspective.
@thomasgroom8277 I've watched that saga a little bit and I don't want to sink into it. The reality is that grinding is here to stay in the entire game is currently designed around the concept. I mentioned this at one point in the video. To me the issue is that we were promised a different style mechanic and I feel like the drink sounds defeat the purpose of it.
Hi.
For sure, I will not subscribe to your private space if not free to express myself as i feel it. So I wont be banned.
I am against hunting Lions, Tigers, Rhino, Elephants, panda....in games. The main argument I heard is ITS JUST A GAME.
NO. IT'S NIT.
I am African and grew up with many fairy tales around lions, its part of our culture. When Walter Palmer flew from US to Zimbabwe and killed Cecil the lion. The narration has changed. Now kids and grand kids know the white man is coming in Africa just to kill for fun. Many generation will have that vision.
How many content creators have we seen after few hours of playin VOTW grabbing their guns and bows to go hunt in real lufe and come and bragging with?
Do you still thinking its ONLY A GAME?
TIGERS shouldnt be in COTW nor LIONS.
I guess soon we will hunt Elephants, Rhino etc....
I hope they will STOP and keep only one tiger on the map and nit "grindable".
Thanks for the concern, but take it further...
Bruh 😂😂 says the same guy that maybe plays cod and other games that you can do things that you can't do irl, if you can't separate games from Real life, get yourself in a asylum tbh
@carrancudogamess3824 This feels a little antagonistic. I think a better approach might be to say I understand their concern. In reality most people who hunt in video games likely don't have the money or resources to jump into real safari style hunts... hence why they play games instead. I see where your concerns are.
@belkassem06 your comment has given me a lot to think about and wades into very powerful considerations, especially given the history of how colonialism impacted the practice of hunting in places like Africa, India, and many others. You're right. If we were going to speak to the conservation message that we need to acknowledge the entire history and not just pieces of it.
The only concern I would gently say is less likely to be realistic is the idea that people who play games what are hunting themed are always going to go out pick up a rifle and go hunt these rare and endangered species for trophies. In all likelihood people play these games because they can't afford to do that in real life and because of the very real restrictions on that type of hunting. Those restrictions are good things and should remain in place, and not everyone should have access to those kinds of animals. These games offer a viable alternative that does not threaten the real populations. While it's not outside the realm of possibilities that it could happen - a player was plenty of money and resources to actually buy into a real Safari type hunt - for the general masses this is likely unreachable. I do very, very sincerely appreciate that you bring a first-hand perspective of how it has impacted your country and why you have such intensive concerns about it, though. If we were to have a dialogue around what hunting means to the various regions of the world, I would welcome your shared perspective.