Awesome analysis. My main disagreement with the result in general is that most people who click this don’t actually understand how hard these tricks are. This is not the same difficulty as a mere 4a leg orbit or under-whip catch. The difficulty of these tricks are above and beyond regular 4a. Simply giving a “double click” doesn’t fairly reward some of these tricks. The freestyle is just mind-boggling on the basis of difficulty and I feel like most judges don’t realize that.
I understand this and partially agree. In the context of it being in 4A I feel like it should be scored higher as well, but personally I wouldn't trust my scores very much if I were giving a majority of Hajime's elements clicks like 4+ clicks... the scaling doesn't seem like something that I can accurately assess for tricks more/less difficult in real time, which is part of the reason why I scored the elements here between 0-3. If soloham were its own division I think this would be fine, to me a well done freestyle in any of the 5 divisions score in some similar range of like 100-130 raw. Soloham is very close to 3A in being the least advantageous out of any of these divisions in terms of doing a lot of elements imo.
Do you think he does enough tricks to score way higher than the rest of the 4A players at Worlds? To me, I kind of feel like his approach of doing less tricks with very high difficulty is something that's kinda volatile. Not many players do that nowadays, I was talking with Tyler Severance about this recently and it kinda reminds me of Hiroki Miyamoto's winning 3A freestyle from over a decade ago in the sense of approach.
Colin Beckford Nowadays, you NEED a high quantity of elements to win worlds. Same applies to any division, especially 1a. Gentry and Yuki jam packed with as many elements as they could. No, Hajime did not do nearly as many elements as a world winning 4a freestyle, but I think the difficulty should’ve balanced it out. If you limited your clicking scale to 0-2 clicks per element for example (which some judges do 👎🏻), there’s absolutely no way this freestyle could win. IYYF rules require clicker judges to take into account “success, variation, difficulty and risk” while clicking. And i feel like most judges neglect their duty to click based on risk. “How risky was that trick? How horribly wrong could that trick have gone if he missed? If he missed the trick, how catastrophic would that have been to the freestyle?” With that being said, I would give 3,4, or 5 clicks for a select few of these tricks.
Colin Beckford of course, in the heat of the moment and having to click on the spot, a judge doesn’t have time to actually think about these things. That’s why this freestyle is so good. It’s beyond the current scoring system. The tricks aren’t even comprehensible in the moment at the judges table. That’s why 10,20 or 30 years in the future, almost nobody will be able to hit this freestyle. Which freestyle was more difficult: Reis freestyle, or hajimes freestyle? Quantity of tricks isn’t everything.
@@ConnorSeals You are right, but difficulty is just very hard to judge. The wider the scale, the harder it gets. Deciding between 3, 4, 5 different options for each element is unmanagable. It's also hard to infer what is hard until you try it. On top of that it's also subjective, which makes it even more complicated. I think this is a problem but I see no way out of that.
Great analysis, Colin! I simply love this channel. Rei got 55,7 in technical execution, while Hajime got 44,3, which means that Hajime had 79,5% of the clicks that Rei had. So, if Hajime had 108 clicks here, Rei could have about 135-136 clicks. I saw an unofficial video comparing Hajime and Rei (Hajime with 65 clicks and Rei with 83, and that follows the idea of proportion of clicks). I guess it's nice to have a soloham category apart from 4A, but the problem is that not a lot of players can do a 3 minute soloham freestyle... Thanks for the analysis, anyway! The link of the video that I was talking about is this one: th-cam.com/video/zS2-kxGvvJ8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, definitely valid points here. I would maybe argue that the proportion of 55.7/44.3 shouldn't be taken too literally though, as that was an averaged normalization from probably 5+ judges. Generally though you could deduce that the judges likely had Rei a decent amount higher than Hajime.
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Awesome analysis. My main disagreement with the result in general is that most people who click this don’t actually understand how hard these tricks are. This is not the same difficulty as a mere 4a leg orbit or under-whip catch. The difficulty of these tricks are above and beyond regular 4a. Simply giving a “double click” doesn’t fairly reward some of these tricks. The freestyle is just mind-boggling on the basis of difficulty and I feel like most judges don’t realize that.
I understand this and partially agree. In the context of it being in 4A I feel like it should be scored higher as well, but personally I wouldn't trust my scores very much if I were giving a majority of Hajime's elements clicks like 4+ clicks... the scaling doesn't seem like something that I can accurately assess for tricks more/less difficult in real time, which is part of the reason why I scored the elements here between 0-3. If soloham were its own division I think this would be fine, to me a well done freestyle in any of the 5 divisions score in some similar range of like 100-130 raw. Soloham is very close to 3A in being the least advantageous out of any of these divisions in terms of doing a lot of elements imo.
Do you think he does enough tricks to score way higher than the rest of the 4A players at Worlds? To me, I kind of feel like his approach of doing less tricks with very high difficulty is something that's kinda volatile. Not many players do that nowadays, I was talking with Tyler Severance about this recently and it kinda reminds me of Hiroki Miyamoto's winning 3A freestyle from over a decade ago in the sense of approach.
Colin Beckford Nowadays, you NEED a high quantity of elements to win worlds. Same applies to any division, especially 1a. Gentry and Yuki jam packed with as many elements as they could. No, Hajime did not do nearly as many elements as a world winning 4a freestyle, but I think the difficulty should’ve balanced it out. If you limited your clicking scale to 0-2 clicks per element for example (which some judges do 👎🏻), there’s absolutely no way this freestyle could win. IYYF rules require clicker judges to take into account “success, variation, difficulty and risk” while clicking. And i feel like most judges neglect their duty to click based on risk. “How risky was that trick? How horribly wrong could that trick have gone if he missed? If he missed the trick, how catastrophic would that have been to the freestyle?” With that being said, I would give 3,4, or 5 clicks for a select few of these tricks.
Colin Beckford of course, in the heat of the moment and having to click on the spot, a judge doesn’t have time to actually think about these things. That’s why this freestyle is so good. It’s beyond the current scoring system. The tricks aren’t even comprehensible in the moment at the judges table. That’s why 10,20 or 30 years in the future, almost nobody will be able to hit this freestyle. Which freestyle was more difficult: Reis freestyle, or hajimes freestyle? Quantity of tricks isn’t everything.
@@ConnorSeals You are right, but difficulty is just very hard to judge. The wider the scale, the harder it gets. Deciding between 3, 4, 5 different options for each element is unmanagable. It's also hard to infer what is hard until you try it. On top of that it's also subjective, which makes it even more complicated. I think this is a problem but I see no way out of that.
Hajime is honestly beyond competition at this point. Watching him evolve is one of the most exciting parts of modern yoyoing.
Great analysis, Colin! I simply love this channel. Rei got 55,7 in technical execution, while Hajime got 44,3, which means that Hajime had 79,5% of the clicks that Rei had. So, if Hajime had 108 clicks here, Rei could have about 135-136 clicks. I saw an unofficial video comparing Hajime and Rei (Hajime with 65 clicks and Rei with 83, and that follows the idea of proportion of clicks). I guess it's nice to have a soloham category apart from 4A, but the problem is that not a lot of players can do a 3 minute soloham freestyle... Thanks for the analysis, anyway!
The link of the video that I was talking about is this one:
th-cam.com/video/zS2-kxGvvJ8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, definitely valid points here. I would maybe argue that the proportion of 55.7/44.3 shouldn't be taken too literally though, as that was an averaged normalization from probably 5+ judges. Generally though you could deduce that the judges likely had Rei a decent amount higher than Hajime.
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