This was the first ever Mario and Luigi RPG I played and fell in love with it as a kid. To this day it's still my favorite entry in the series, as the feelings it gave me as a kid were so powerful and I loved everything about it. The unsettling and eerie vibe I got from this game is also something I enjoyed a lot as a kid. I will say, I'm so upset we never got a remake for this title and we probably never will given that Alphadream is pretty much done for...
Not to mention that the Shroobs invaded because they were facing extinction. Which is why (the music is so somber) during the final battle they even use kamikaze tactics just to stop the bros.
Elder Shroob Princess: If you destroy me, you desroy the Shroobs! Mario:… Baby Mario:… Luigi:… Baby Luigi:… The Shroobs had their chance. **launches giant stream of tears at ESP from his eyes**
@@miller-xz4wt Yes. I don't remember when you can purchase them, but you can buy them at some point in the Peach's Castle and stop worrying about the Bros. Items without them being weaker
I still wish Alphadream has done a remaster of Partners in Time. They could've fixed any issues the original had, and even added a Koopaling-based side quest. They wouldn't even have to remove any of the game's darker elements.
I'm very curious to see if the series recovers with Nintendo's direct development. Alphadream and M&L both died a sad pathetic death, with each release just getting worse. I'd really love to see this series back on track.
To this day, I still can't fathom how Partners in Time got as much hate and flak as it did back then. Every time I would go back to play it, from beginning to end, I'm just reminded of how much fun this game really was, and I've genuinely struggled to understand why people don't like it. The story was amazing, the characters were fun and expressive, and the overall gameplay and music were fantastic. Honestly, I'd argue it's one of the best Mario & Luigi titles in the entire series, second only to Bowser's Inside Story.
This is the first time I heard people didn't like Partners in Time. I thought it was a fun game that was a clever evolution of the game play and story that Super Star Saga started. I have no idea why it's considered the black sheep of the series.
@@nickchavez720 It's a conundrum that I will genuinely never be able to figure out. I recently played through and I'm already at the end stage and even now, I still don't know what made the game bad in everyone else's eyes.
i think the removal of bros points for this game is really smart, cuz focusing on bros points while having two more characters on the team makes it a tad more confusing that it should be. also smash eggs are good you fool
It would had been good to keep the points if the items were more situational. Like, with some enemies you would rather to use the shells before the copy flower
@@raphanderconph Smash egg does give you really good stuff sometimes, like a mix flower. (BTW, mix flower is basically just oppenheimer once you get it, consistent great lucky hits made everything so satisfying)
The Shroob's are such a terrifying concept and they really do it so well. Imo you barely scratched the surface, they're many things rolled into one. The Dark Mirror trope, colonists, extremism and poison personified, they're so much. Elder Princess Shroob is a dark mirror of Peach, a big hulking monster who sacrifices her people simply for basic attacks vs our kind loving tiny Princess Peach. The Shroobs likewise are dark mirrors of Toads. Toads are generally nice, innocent creatures who just kinda vibe. The Shroobs though? They're militant, hyper violent, efficient and sadistic. When they invade they take over FAST. Facilities are built nearly overnight, the kingdom is shaped to their wants immediately and they take every corner of the kingdom, they truly are poison mushrooms given form. Plus the scariest part is the fact they aren't just invaders, they're colonists like I said before. They don't just want the kingdom, they're terraforming it. They use the citizens as fuel, they try to turn the Yoshi's into Yoob's, they're actively making the mushroom kingdom unrecognizable not by destroying it, but transforming it.
This is my favorite Mario and Luigi game of all time, I played it when I was a kid on the Wii U VC. Though I didn’t even actually finish the game until fairly recently because Princess Shroob kept sitting on me and getting me dizzy at Level 25, so I just grinded till level 30 and finished the game.
The fact that the Bowser’s Inside Story remake has sprites for most of the Shroob variants at 7:40 makes me said that they never had their entry remade on the 3DS.
Bowser's inside story is my favourite mario and luigi game But partners in time is definitely the one with the best atmosphere It transmits a feeling of desesperation like no other game manages to, and shows just how horrible the actions of the shroobs were and the impact they had on the kingdom
I used to hate the Smash Eggs too, but once you really get the hang of them, they have their uses. They can target multiple enemies, and they're also the only Bros. Attack that can just randomly give you free items.
Then the meteor Bros Attack showed up in Bowser's Inside Story who did that too (cut me some slack, idk which came first TwT ") , except you could only get Star Candies
I actually kinda liked the purchasable bros. items. It added scarcity to bros. attacks which is not something you tend to get in this franchise, especially lategame when you can just buy a billion syrups and be set forever. It made you think about wasting your bros. attacks, and it always felt pretty balanced in terms of scarcity, you were never completely loaded with bros. items, but you also were never starving for them as long as you weren't wasteful. I suppose an alternate solution could have been to implement a Pokèmon style move limit, where alongside costing BP, you can only use so much of each attack before resetting them at a save point or something. That limit could be improved with badges and advancing the attack and whatnot.
After hearing that Elder Princess Shroob was the most difficult boss in the M&L series, one of the most difficult bosses in Super Mario's entirety, AND hearing that the American version gives the bosses double hp... I cannot tell you how good that makes me feel. She's one of the hardest bosses to best in any piece of Mario media and I beat her. Next time I feel like giving up on something, I'm gonna remember that I bested Elder Princess Shroob, because having that knowledge feels AWESOME.
That's explain a lot. Not wonder why the bosses were so "hard" in this game in comparison with the rest of the series. Seriously, i took almost 2 hours to beat her in my first play, and i played PiT After BIS and Superstar Saga. Elder Shroob is INSANE.
@@oqueeoquee4382 It didn't take me that long, but it did take me a few tries, and it felt great doing so. I actually started another playthrough of PIT recently and I've been grinding A LOT in preparation for the Princesses Shroob. I'm having a much better time than I remember on my first playthrough. PIT is such an underrated gem.
I was wondering why Bowser's Inside Story felt so easy, I was expecting to have to go through the final boss quite a few times before beating them but I just did it on the first try. I guess Partners in Time is just built different.
The campy aspect of the whole Shroob invasion comes across as a Tim Burton kind of dark. Obviously, it's dark, but in a more exaggerated and crazy way (moody & quirky), than serious. After all, there are a ton of sillier moments, including times the Shroobs are around. This actually fits perfectly for the Mario & Luigi series, which is a wacky, antics-filled adventure that prioritizes fun and/or engagement.
That makes alot of sense considering Tim Burton made Mars Attacks, which has very similar aliens (Even in design with the large heads.) Honestly maybe that's why I kinda have an affinity for the Shroobs. They kinda remind me of both Mars Attacks but also in a way the Combine from Half-Life 2, both looking to conquer worlds over, and both turning to more and more desperate measures as the games progress, the kamikaze during the final boss Spoiler for HL2 and Episode 1: and for the Combine, sending a city grounds troop off inside their own base to take out one guy, as well as blowing up their main base of operations on Earth in order to try and get the message that they're in trouble out and also to allow for another mass-invasion from their interdimentional forces. I love it in media where we can see how desperate an alien race gets once it's being threatened, the type of heinous stuff it'd do to win or keep power.
The Pocket Chomp is infinitely worse than the Smash Egg, dawg. That said, it makes me happy to see someone sing this game’s praises. I got Partners in Time for Christmas the year it came out and thoroughly enjoyed it as a diehard fan of Superstar Saga. The darkness of this game never fully registered on my mind until I got older so in hindsight, I want y’all to consider how painfully ironic it was to have gotten the game during Christmas 2005 just to find out one of the earliest areas of the game is a ravaged Christmas-themed village that played a sad rendition of Jingle Bells. I personally love this game more than Bowser’s Inside Story, which I find good but a bit short.
Highly disagree with the Pocket Chomp and Smash Eggs statement. For one Smash Eggs did consistently the least amount of damage, particularly when there were multiple enemies on screen. Pocket Chomp is more skill based and the damage is totally in your control, if you're good you can keep going on for a while and rack up damage in the hundreds. It's still viable even in the final boss, while Smash Eggs is more certainly not viable for the final boss.
It will always devastate me how neglected this game is in the Mario & Luigi trilogy, partners in time is the definition of underrated when it comes to Mario RPG's with its story and gameplay.
You really think a lack of their baby counterparts would stop the Mario Bros from kicking the Shroobs asses again? (I guess we'll never know now, given the fact that AlphaDream is dead)
wait this is literally the MOTHER of the mario and luigi series, might actually play it 😱 great video as per usual murmilio! superstar saga before thanksgiving?!
One of my first ever Video Games. My first Nintendo Game, My First Mario and Luigi. This game changed my life forever. Not having a Remake made me really sad, and you can imagine how i almost started crying at todays Nintendo Direct. Mario & Luigi Brothership. Thank you Nintendo.
the most interesting part of partners in time's bosses to me, esp having made it to the bosses at low level and no equipment, stache only run, is Elder Shrooboid and Elder Princess Shroob's 2nd phase. these 2 bosses have 2 of the only attacks in the entire game where it can be completely unavoidable damage. For Elder Shrooboid thats its spin attack where you have to hammer it. I noticed it will either: 1. stop after 4 hits. 2. stop after more than 4. if its more than 4, then someone's dying, since trying to hit more than 4 on is not too feasible for how fast its spin attack starts up. thats what makes it a pretty big rng check. Elder Princess Shroob's 3-leg sweep is, while avoidable, it can become unavoidable when the legs start going too fast to jump over. I was able to make it to Elder Princess Shroob's 2nd phase at level 19 in a no equip/badges no healing items+no purchasing bros items, and Stache only level ups run. the game kindly provides you with just enough bros items and the ability to stock up on mrs thwomp's rock shot attack. I quickly found out its literally impossible to beat her at that level w/o savestates or tas, cuz her foot has 400 hp and the damage done is pathetic with red shell, plus copy flower wouldn't be good since its not a "true infinite" due to its speed eventually being too fast. due to how partners in time's level scaling works, I found out soon after this, that level 23 is the absolute sweet-spot. the one thing about bros items is while Copy flowers is one of the best, that usually applies to general playthroughs. as you'll very quickly see it must be used very-sparingly in low-level no equips+stache only, thus the opinion on it changes in this scenario. it deff has it uses for the last few bosses and esp Elder Princess Shroob's 400hp Foot+200hp Crown. Red Shell, once you get the timing down, as well as Pocket Chomp, become the absolute saviors of a low-level run. as their respective speeds are "capped" and are the actual "True Infinite" Bros items. they surprisingly carry the low-level no equipment+only stache run very hard. Trampoline also applies too with Red Shell+Pocket Chomp, being a True Infinite Bros item, but thats only provided you can quickly react to each character's blur every time-
The shroobs also aren't afraid to mock or taunt when you fail. When you fail you shoot down the ship and you get shot down they laugh in joy that you lost
They should've upped the danger with the future slowly turning into a post apocalyptic world full of shroombs promoting Mario and Luigi to go back in time to stop the shroombs and save peach
I hope Nintendo will make a game, 3d Mario or RPG, where the Shroobs come back in any form. I'd like it to be dark and not upbeat like most Mario games
The game was that hard I couldn't beat the younger shroom princess as a kid. It was only when I was finishing high school when I finally beat the game and this was the American release. Still one of my favorites and what got me into the series.
God this game was amazing even back then as a child. It took me literal months to beat it and I still don't regret it to this day. By far my favorite game of the series. I wonder how brothership will be though?
I don’t think it’s a multiverse story. I always just thought the future didn’t change because since it was in the past and the Mario’s and Luigi’s won and defeated the Shroobs it would mean the future wouldn’t change since the past had already happened but is happening to Mario and Luigi since they’re the ones going to the past
When I played this game I was just a kid and I didnt even know english (it is not my country's language), so I barely realized how dark this game is, I would mostly focus on the exploration and battles, but I noticed it in Toad Town when I saw the town destroyed as that sad music played. I did notice how hard the game was, tho. I remember struggling a lot in my first playthrough
There were more things that made this game dark that could've been added to this video. For one the Shroob Planet was dying and the species as a whole were dying which is why they invade the Mushroom Kingdom. This game shows the messed-up stuff they do like taking the life force of the Toads away to power their ships but when you put that in the context of them trying to save their species it really makes you think. Yes, they did evil stuff, but a lot of it was for the survival of their entire race. The final boss of the game also has a bit of sad things going on, for one Elder Princess Shroob had to watch as the Bros and Baby Bros were one by one eliminating her species and even killing her sister without her being able to do a single thing (Though their deaths are questioned with their appearance in Bowser's Inside Story). Two, Elder Princess Shroob will use some of the Shroob ships to attack the Bros and Baby Bros with kamikaze tactics, they are willing to give up THEIR LIVES for a chance to beat us. To them if it means that Elder Princess Shroob wins, than their species lives on so they will gladly give up their lives to end you. And third, the music. Not only is it incredibly somber but the name of Elder Princess Shroob's theme is called "Another's Requiem" which for those of you that don't know a Requiem is a song typically played at a funeral or something along the lines of that. The song's title literally meaning the death of one of two species. This battle will quite literally decide the fate of both species, one will survive and the other will die. WE are the deciding factor; WE condemn a whole species to ruin and extinction.
This was my favorite game of the "Superstar Saga" series of games, and it took me SO LONG as a kid to beat Elder Princess Shroob. Like, if you play this game blind and not knowing what you need to do to win, she's a fucking menace and one of the hardest bosses in all of Mario though she can still be surprisingly difficult even if you know what's coming and can prepare. I would say that the Bowletta fight at the end of Superstar Saga is probably harder, if only because of the "You only have one hit point and have to survive at least one round of attacks in that state" part of the second phase.
Seeing the friends I made along the way - Toadiko, Bowser Jr, Kylie Koopa - turn into mushrooms forever altered my brain chemistry when I was little. I thought they died 😭 And since I couldn’t beat the final boss as an 8y.o., they stayed dead for a long time (I didn’t even know that they’d be revived)… I was so sad
As a french i remember fighting the final boss for hours praying that my ntds don't crash then i finally beat that boss and yeah clearly this was the hardest mario and Luigi i ever played
the american version lacks a bit of polishment (and sound effects or other minor details) and the ridiculous amount of HP is just artificial difficulty. the european version didn't just decrease the HP but also gave late game bosses "automatic attacks" where they'll have an exclamation point and attack you if you attack them. basically, they'll go an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. for example, elder princess shroob will do the wario shoulder bash to whoever attacked her.
It's indeed hard af, unless you are as stubborn as me and play the final Shroob Palace over and over until Mario and Luigi are level 90 something. Taking down the Shroob princesses with normal jumps will never be not funny.
I agree with everything you say, it’s also very underrated and the only that didn’t get a remake, but I remember i would struggle with the bosses and even lasted hours on bosses. Would love to play it again but can’t
I think super paper mario is darker, I mean, You've got a lot of death (for a mario game) and betrayal of what we thought was the main villain who only wanted to bring back someone he thought dead who then did die with the not so villain villain
its a toss up between the two. Depends on what form of genocide you find darker. An all encroaching unstoppable void that you have no power to stop and must just accept your fate, or an invading alien species you can theoretically fight, but they are just using your entire species as food.
incredible how PIT and BIS is not the same universe, like these bros in BIS is the baby's from PIT but in PIT the adult Bros didnt live PIT moment when they was child
Brothership has entered the chat. Seriously, I'd rate Reclusa as a far darker villain than the Shroobs. As soon as he makes his debut, Reclusa traps everyone in a dream world, outright saying that he plans for them to waste away and die while in their illusions. And Concordia is far from the first world he has done that to.
Fast forward 20 something years is all?? I never pictured the bros being in their 20s. They always seemed late thirties or early 40s in my mind. Great video friend!!
We may never know why Alpha Dream skipped remaking this one. Perhaps it was indeed the darker tone. I beat it recently as part of (re)playing the whole series before I get Brothership for Christmas. I didn't think it was THAT hard, the only non-Final Boss I died to was Elder Shrooboid, and that was only because I failed to reset his insta-kill countdown.
Yk i think there were a few times where i found it easier to just be baby mario and luigi and not have their adult counterparts. Not a lot but it still was the case a few times
i think the time travel aspect works differently in this game like yea the shroobs already took over the past but then why inst the present affected? well it inst (YET), i personally belive overtime the present will fade into the present taken over by the shroobs.
This is my favourite game in the series. I remember growing up with this game, but I never got far. Though last year I decided to pick it up again, and yea it was somewhat hard. It had some small moments where I didn't really have a lot of opportunity to attack.
I am currently doing my first playthrough of this game myself, and i gotta say, the game is really fucking fun, they way they made the characters, the battles, the story, everything. Even tho this game is hard af, you can even train your timings for attacks on weaker enemies if you want too, i love this game, even tho its a pretty dark and hard game, and i really hope others will too
I'm at the at the final boss. I fought her for an hour (the single battle). And I had small window to attack cause either Mario or Luigi died and I had to spend my rounds healing them. Her attack are a nightmare to avoid. The one when the vessels crash on you was for most part a skill issue from me. The same attack but this time using the portal I couldn't remember cause 20 minutes (no joke) had passed, had to rely on shadow. The one when she swip the group with her tentacle was manageble with 2 tentacle with 3 it was a pain, sometime my control would stop reponding, with the speed increasing the tentacle caught up to me and when Luigi and Mario were hit, they were stuck in loop. The gaz attack and tentacle stabbinb not a problem cause they're easy, the one were grab Mario and Luigi I either mess up the timing (like a lot of thing with the hammer) or just was not paying attention thinking she was about to attack with the vessels. And the one I hate the most, the purple super ball projectile. I don't get the timing with that thing. Princess Shroob is a huge brick wall, for the first a boss really challenged me. After losing I was mad cause you know I spent an entire hour fighting her just to lose. I acknoledge that my strategy wasn't the best. I didn't feel like trying to fight her again today. But let's try again tomorrow ( I guess I'll also have to redo the princess shroob fight but oh well she was not that hard to beat) (It's still my favorite mario game and game from my childhood)
Funny how every1 hates smash egg, but forget that in combat you can press x or y to make the babies jump, if you bounce it 2 times it deals a bunch moee damage, making it 1 of the better attacks to use, long yes but high damage
I watched this vid after watching ScionVyse’s review, which made me super angry as he was just complaining (even when he wasn’t supposed to - e.g. when he said that the Copy Flower was difficult to use and blamed it on the game when it was clearly a skill issue from his side). Thank you for this objective review! Partners in Time is AMAZING. The only reason why it’s not that appreciated is because not enough people know it / have played it. Bowser’s Inside Story had the advantage of being released in 2009 when a lot more people had Nintendo DS’s. The same can’t be said for PiT which was released in 2005.
I didn't have much problem with partners in time's difficulty, mainly because I played on the european copy, and also when I play it I abuse the shit out of the EXP badge. Right before gritzy desert I also get exactly the needed amount of beans to buy the EXP badge A. On my last playthrough, via using bros attack in *every* single battle (which I found quite fun and trivialized a lot of things) i got to levels 37-38, which let me kill elder princess shroob with two turns of Mix flowers.
FR: Je n'ai pas trouvé le jeu spécialement difficile comparé aux autres. °_ ° EN: I haven't found the game more difficult compared to the other ones. °_ °
How did the shroobs even manage to survive as long as they did in the mushroom kingdom? Wouldn’t nature just kick in and have it start raining? Guess they got lucky
This game was my First Mario and Luigi Game, and I thought it was Bowser's inside Story. I was thrown off when BiS had no dark plot twists like PiT did. I thought the same way for Kingdom Hearts 358/3 days (Title is hard to remember, apologies for getting it wrong.) because I saw kingdom hearts and thought Re:coded. by no stretch of the imagination, I wasn't a Bright Child regarding my knowledge of Franchises. to be Fair though, I got the Better of the pair anyway. BiS was Easier to Play but PiT was more immersive the older I got.
Personally I think it's the best story-wise out of the Mario and Luigi series, but the second worst gameplay wise. I felt the story broke up what was rather not very fun gameplay. I love Bowser's Inside Story and Dream Team, but this one felt like the dungeons were way longer than the other entries and weren't very fun to go through. Also, purely on me, but I couldn't get the babies controls. I ended up just saying screw it and doing the standard version of the attacks I couldn't do. I would like to see this game get remade though. That'd be pretty cool.
So, I assume you gonna do a video on superstar next? Personally I would like to see a video on the two remakes. But, in particular the remake of superstar since it is actually good.
I don't think I got the rage thing, but the only clue I might have gotten it was in the final boss, tho all Mario and Luigi final bosses spam attacks way too many times. So can someone tell me if 4 attacks in a row is normal for phase 2 of the Elder Princess Shroom?
first time playing this game i really hate it cause it goes thru a long journey and a lot of fighting with suffering 😭 i left with unfinished childhood games
This was the first ever Mario and Luigi RPG I played and fell in love with it as a kid. To this day it's still my favorite entry in the series, as the feelings it gave me as a kid were so powerful and I loved everything about it. The unsettling and eerie vibe I got from this game is also something I enjoyed a lot as a kid. I will say, I'm so upset we never got a remake for this title and we probably never will given that Alphadream is pretty much done for...
Shame that we never got a remaster of this tho, even tho the revamped the Shroobs for Bowsers inside story remake
@@Jackman5481it actually makes sense because partnes in time is on the past, but it would be cool
To each their own.
You are like me
Same here, nostalgia hits hard
6:33 Small detail; The Shroobs are weak to baby tears. And the good professor synthesizes baby tears from water.
Not to mention that the Shroobs invaded because they were facing extinction.
Which is why (the music is so somber) during the final battle they even use kamikaze tactics just to stop the bros.
Elder Shroob Princess: If you destroy me, you desroy the Shroobs!
Mario:…
Baby Mario:…
Luigi:…
Baby Luigi:… The Shroobs had their chance. **launches giant stream of tears at ESP from his eyes**
As far as I can tell that isn’t ever explicitly stated ingame. Is there any dialogue that implies it that I may have forgotten?
@@MySnugglePuppy Not explicitly, but it's implied in the prologue that the Shroob planet is dying.
@@UndernetBroker the shroob planet is probably also not even their original planet. they've probably done this TONS of times.
@@whichcache2517 Nice Man of Steel reference 😂
Fun Fact, there is actually a badge you can get in the game that make all Bros items infinite in use. So no more buying those now.
But it make them weaker
@@miller-xz4wt There are more badges that make the Bros. Items infinite in use without making them weaker.
@@JARED8946 really?
@@miller-xz4wt Yes. I don't remember when you can purchase them, but you can buy them at some point in the Peach's Castle and stop worrying about the Bros. Items without them being weaker
@@JARED8946 thanks for the advice bro!
I still wish Alphadream has done a remaster of Partners in Time. They could've fixed any issues the original had, and even added a Koopaling-based side quest. They wouldn't even have to remove any of the game's darker elements.
Watch todays Direct, you wont regret it.
Maybe there's a chance now. Although Nintendo probably won't because they only do what gets them money.
I'm very curious to see if the series recovers with Nintendo's direct development. Alphadream and M&L both died a sad pathetic death, with each release just getting worse. I'd really love to see this series back on track.
@@flaminfetusi believe in brothership. Looking forward to playing it.
To this day, I still can't fathom how Partners in Time got as much hate and flak as it did back then. Every time I would go back to play it, from beginning to end, I'm just reminded of how much fun this game really was, and I've genuinely struggled to understand why people don't like it. The story was amazing, the characters were fun and expressive, and the overall gameplay and music were fantastic. Honestly, I'd argue it's one of the best Mario & Luigi titles in the entire series, second only to Bowser's Inside Story.
This is the first time I heard people didn't like Partners in Time. I thought it was a fun game that was a clever evolution of the game play and story that Super Star Saga started.
I have no idea why it's considered the black sheep of the series.
@@nickchavez720 It's a conundrum that I will genuinely never be able to figure out. I recently played through and I'm already at the end stage and even now, I still don't know what made the game bad in everyone else's eyes.
well their opinion is wrong, it‘s one of my favorite mario games of all time
i think the removal of bros points for this game is really smart, cuz focusing on bros points while having two more characters on the team makes it a tad more confusing that it should be.
also smash eggs are good you fool
It would had been good to keep the points if the items were more situational. Like, with some enemies you would rather to use the shells before the copy flower
@@yosic.6814sometimes you also have to use the mix flower
I like the egg
@@raphanderconph Smash egg does give you really good stuff sometimes, like a mix flower. (BTW, mix flower is basically just oppenheimer once you get it, consistent great lucky hits made everything so satisfying)
@@nerdyboy5490 That's true but i like more genkidama flower
The Shroob's are such a terrifying concept and they really do it so well. Imo you barely scratched the surface, they're many things rolled into one. The Dark Mirror trope, colonists, extremism and poison personified, they're so much. Elder Princess Shroob is a dark mirror of Peach, a big hulking monster who sacrifices her people simply for basic attacks vs our kind loving tiny Princess Peach. The Shroobs likewise are dark mirrors of Toads. Toads are generally nice, innocent creatures who just kinda vibe. The Shroobs though? They're militant, hyper violent, efficient and sadistic. When they invade they take over FAST. Facilities are built nearly overnight, the kingdom is shaped to their wants immediately and they take every corner of the kingdom, they truly are poison mushrooms given form. Plus the scariest part is the fact they aren't just invaders, they're colonists like I said before. They don't just want the kingdom, they're terraforming it. They use the citizens as fuel, they try to turn the Yoshi's into Yoob's, they're actively making the mushroom kingdom unrecognizable not by destroying it, but transforming it.
This is my favorite Mario and Luigi game of all time, I played it when I was a kid on the Wii U VC. Though I didn’t even actually finish the game until fairly recently because Princess Shroob kept sitting on me and getting me dizzy at Level 25, so I just grinded till level 30 and finished the game.
I guess Peach should have read the history books before choosing a particular time to travel.
"Let's go visit Russia, the 20s must have been lovely there!"
Lol
@@emperorlizZ (Just realized it applies whether you're talking 20th or 21st century 20s)
I remember I beat this game at 3am on my bed with severe insomnia
me rn
The fact that the Bowser’s Inside Story remake has sprites for most of the Shroob variants at 7:40 makes me said that they never had their entry remade on the 3DS.
Bowser's inside story is my favourite mario and luigi game
But partners in time is definitely the one with the best atmosphere
It transmits a feeling of desesperation like no other game manages to, and shows just how horrible the actions of the shroobs were and the impact they had on the kingdom
creepy fact: you can see shroobs watching you in Super Mario Galaxy 2, Shiverburn Galaxy.
those arent shr00bs. they may be ghosts. they may be lost souls, interdimensionals but they aint shroobs
I used to hate the Smash Eggs too, but once you really get the hang of them, they have their uses. They can target multiple enemies, and they're also the only Bros. Attack that can just randomly give you free items.
cost effective too!
Then the meteor Bros Attack showed up in Bowser's Inside Story who did that too (cut me some slack, idk which came first TwT ") , except you could only get Star Candies
FREE ITEMS!!!
YES PLEASE!!!!!!
I really would love to see a Super Mario Galaxy game where the Shroobs return as the villains
Even thought my first game was Superstar Saga, I can agree that this game is dark AF
I love this game, especially when we see peoples from the mushroom kingdoom being used as fuel for the shroobs 😅
I actually kinda liked the purchasable bros. items. It added scarcity to bros. attacks which is not something you tend to get in this franchise, especially lategame when you can just buy a billion syrups and be set forever. It made you think about wasting your bros. attacks, and it always felt pretty balanced in terms of scarcity, you were never completely loaded with bros. items, but you also were never starving for them as long as you weren't wasteful.
I suppose an alternate solution could have been to implement a Pokèmon style move limit, where alongside costing BP, you can only use so much of each attack before resetting them at a save point or something. That limit could be improved with badges and advancing the attack and whatnot.
After hearing that Elder Princess Shroob was the most difficult boss in the M&L series, one of the most difficult bosses in Super Mario's entirety, AND hearing that the American version gives the bosses double hp... I cannot tell you how good that makes me feel.
She's one of the hardest bosses to best in any piece of Mario media and I beat her.
Next time I feel like giving up on something, I'm gonna remember that I bested Elder Princess Shroob, because having that knowledge feels AWESOME.
That's explain a lot. Not wonder why the bosses were so "hard" in this game in comparison with the rest of the series. Seriously, i took almost 2 hours to beat her in my first play, and i played PiT After BIS and Superstar Saga. Elder Shroob is INSANE.
@@oqueeoquee4382 It didn't take me that long, but it did take me a few tries, and it felt great doing so. I actually started another playthrough of PIT recently and I've been grinding A LOT in preparation for the Princesses Shroob. I'm having a much better time than I remember on my first playthrough. PIT is such an underrated gem.
have you fought cacklettas soul in superstar saga, me personally i thought she was harder
I was wondering why Bowser's Inside Story felt so easy, I was expecting to have to go through the final boss quite a few times before beating them but I just did it on the first try. I guess Partners in Time is just built different.
@@muscleman5615 Unfortunately, no, but seeing as how I recently restarted my playthrough of SS, I'm sure it won't be too long before then.
The campy aspect of the whole Shroob invasion comes across as a Tim Burton kind of dark. Obviously, it's dark, but in a more exaggerated and crazy way (moody & quirky), than serious. After all, there are a ton of sillier moments, including times the Shroobs are around. This actually fits perfectly for the Mario & Luigi series, which is a wacky, antics-filled adventure that prioritizes fun and/or engagement.
That makes alot of sense considering Tim Burton made Mars Attacks, which has very similar aliens (Even in design with the large heads.) Honestly maybe that's why I kinda have an affinity for the Shroobs. They kinda remind me of both Mars Attacks but also in a way the Combine from Half-Life 2, both looking to conquer worlds over, and both turning to more and more desperate measures as the games progress, the kamikaze during the final boss
Spoiler for HL2 and Episode 1:
and for the Combine, sending a city grounds troop off inside their own base to take out one guy, as well as blowing up their main base of operations on Earth in order to try and get the message that they're in trouble out and also to allow for another mass-invasion from their interdimentional forces.
I love it in media where we can see how desperate an alien race gets once it's being threatened, the type of heinous stuff it'd do to win or keep power.
Been waiting for this because this game in particular frightened me as a kid (I was like 4) but this did always mean something to me.
The Pocket Chomp is infinitely worse than the Smash Egg, dawg. That said, it makes me happy to see someone sing this game’s praises. I got Partners in Time for Christmas the year it came out and thoroughly enjoyed it as a diehard fan of Superstar Saga. The darkness of this game never fully registered on my mind until I got older so in hindsight, I want y’all to consider how painfully ironic it was to have gotten the game during Christmas 2005 just to find out one of the earliest areas of the game is a ravaged Christmas-themed village that played a sad rendition of Jingle Bells.
I personally love this game more than Bowser’s Inside Story, which I find good but a bit short.
Highly disagree with the Pocket Chomp and Smash Eggs statement. For one Smash Eggs did consistently the least amount of damage, particularly when there were multiple enemies on screen. Pocket Chomp is more skill based and the damage is totally in your control, if you're good you can keep going on for a while and rack up damage in the hundreds. It's still viable even in the final boss, while Smash Eggs is more certainly not viable for the final boss.
But as an adult, i now see how it was scary
When i was in elementary school, the Shroobs made me scared at night
It will always devastate me how neglected this game is in the Mario & Luigi trilogy, partners in time is the definition of underrated when it comes to Mario RPG's with its story and gameplay.
You really think a lack of their baby counterparts would stop the Mario Bros from kicking the Shroobs asses again? (I guess we'll never know now, given the fact that AlphaDream is dead)
ironic
At least someone talked about it.
I'm gonna try something like this
wait this is literally the MOTHER of the mario and luigi series, might actually play it 😱
great video as per usual murmilio!
superstar saga before thanksgiving?!
Surely SMRPG won’t delay the next video
@@murmilio42069 is smrpg like mother
@@murmilio42069 ok i just watched my cousin play it for like two hours, definitely not like the original MOTHER
Never beat this game as a kid (skill issue) but I always loved it and its vibe it gives off. Spooky aliens were cool af
8:06 wouldn't they just use water pistols or something if they ever returned
Wait a minute. I didn't saw the rage function in Partners in Time. I thought it was introduced in Bowser's Inside Story.
One of my first ever Video Games. My first Nintendo Game, My First Mario and Luigi. This game changed my life forever. Not having a Remake made me really sad, and you can imagine how i almost started crying at todays Nintendo Direct. Mario & Luigi Brothership. Thank you Nintendo.
the most interesting part of partners in time's bosses to me, esp having made it to the bosses at low level and no equipment, stache only run, is Elder Shrooboid and Elder Princess Shroob's 2nd phase.
these 2 bosses have 2 of the only attacks in the entire game where it can be completely unavoidable damage.
For Elder Shrooboid thats its spin attack where you have to hammer it. I noticed it will either:
1. stop after 4 hits.
2. stop after more than 4.
if its more than 4, then someone's dying, since trying to hit more than 4 on is not too feasible for how fast its spin attack starts up. thats what makes it a pretty big rng check.
Elder Princess Shroob's 3-leg sweep is, while avoidable, it can become unavoidable when the legs start going too fast to jump over.
I was able to make it to Elder Princess Shroob's 2nd phase at level 19 in a no equip/badges no healing items+no purchasing bros items, and Stache only level ups run. the game kindly provides you with just enough bros items and the ability to stock up on mrs thwomp's rock shot attack.
I quickly found out its literally impossible to beat her at that level w/o savestates or tas, cuz her foot has 400 hp and the damage done is pathetic with red shell, plus copy flower wouldn't be good since its not a "true infinite" due to its speed eventually being too fast.
due to how partners in time's level scaling works, I found out soon after this, that level 23 is the absolute sweet-spot.
the one thing about bros items is while Copy flowers is one of the best, that usually applies to general playthroughs. as you'll very quickly see it must be used very-sparingly in low-level no equips+stache only, thus the opinion on it changes in this scenario. it deff has it uses for the last few bosses and esp Elder Princess Shroob's 400hp Foot+200hp Crown.
Red Shell, once you get the timing down, as well as Pocket Chomp, become the absolute saviors of a low-level run.
as their respective speeds are "capped" and are the actual "True Infinite" Bros items. they surprisingly carry the low-level no equipment+only stache run very hard.
Trampoline also applies too with Red Shell+Pocket Chomp, being a True Infinite Bros item, but thats only provided you can quickly react to each character's blur every time-
wow you’re insane! I would have loved to watch this play through! Good job dude!
The shroobs also aren't afraid to mock or taunt when you fail. When you fail you shoot down the ship and you get shot down they laugh in joy that you lost
12:02 No wonder I lost that fight so many times💀
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The soundtrack is so good and makes it feel like horror
They should've upped the danger with the future slowly turning into a post apocalyptic world full of shroombs promoting Mario and Luigi to go back in time to stop the shroombs and save peach
I hope Nintendo will make a game, 3d Mario or RPG, where the Shroobs come back in any form. I'd like it to be dark and not upbeat like most Mario games
The game was that hard I couldn't beat the younger shroom princess as a kid. It was only when I was finishing high school when I finally beat the game and this was the American release. Still one of my favorites and what got me into the series.
God this game was amazing even back then as a child. It took me literal months to beat it and I still don't regret it to this day. By far my favorite game of the series. I wonder how brothership will be though?
This game might be very dark but i love this game
finally M&L:PIT is finally getting recognition for its battle system and the overall story
I don’t think it’s a multiverse story. I always just thought the future didn’t change because since it was in the past and the Mario’s and Luigi’s won and defeated the Shroobs it would mean the future wouldn’t change since the past had already happened but is happening to Mario and Luigi since they’re the ones going to the past
When I played this game I was just a kid and I didnt even know english (it is not my country's language), so I barely realized how dark this game is, I would mostly focus on the exploration and battles, but I noticed it in Toad Town when I saw the town destroyed as that sad music played.
I did notice how hard the game was, tho. I remember struggling a lot in my first playthrough
Second favorite game of all time
Who are you calling evil we're saving our species from death from elder princess shroob
Lore of The DARKEST Mario game. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Momentum 100
This was my first ever RPG and the difficulty along with the somber story definitely had me wallowing in despair when I was 7.
I love how there is only 1 use of the touch controls. It’s perfect. I would have it no other way.
It’s a gimmick that does not overstay their welcome
Super Paper Mario is still darker.
There were more things that made this game dark that could've been added to this video. For one the Shroob Planet was dying and the species as a whole were dying which is why they invade the Mushroom Kingdom. This game shows the messed-up stuff they do like taking the life force of the Toads away to power their ships but when you put that in the context of them trying to save their species it really makes you think. Yes, they did evil stuff, but a lot of it was for the survival of their entire race. The final boss of the game also has a bit of sad things going on, for one Elder Princess Shroob had to watch as the Bros and Baby Bros were one by one eliminating her species and even killing her sister without her being able to do a single thing (Though their deaths are questioned with their appearance in Bowser's Inside Story). Two, Elder Princess Shroob will use some of the Shroob ships to attack the Bros and Baby Bros with kamikaze tactics, they are willing to give up THEIR LIVES for a chance to beat us. To them if it means that Elder Princess Shroob wins, than their species lives on so they will gladly give up their lives to end you. And third, the music. Not only is it incredibly somber but the name of Elder Princess Shroob's theme is called "Another's Requiem" which for those of you that don't know a Requiem is a song typically played at a funeral or something along the lines of that. The song's title literally meaning the death of one of two species. This battle will quite literally decide the fate of both species, one will survive and the other will die. WE are the deciding factor; WE condemn a whole species to ruin and extinction.
This was my favorite game of the "Superstar Saga" series of games, and it took me SO LONG as a kid to beat Elder Princess Shroob. Like, if you play this game blind and not knowing what you need to do to win, she's a fucking menace and one of the hardest bosses in all of Mario though she can still be surprisingly difficult even if you know what's coming and can prepare. I would say that the Bowletta fight at the end of Superstar Saga is probably harder, if only because of the "You only have one hit point and have to survive at least one round of attacks in that state" part of the second phase.
Seeing the friends I made along the way - Toadiko, Bowser Jr, Kylie Koopa - turn into mushrooms forever altered my brain chemistry when I was little. I thought they died 😭 And since I couldn’t beat the final boss as an 8y.o., they stayed dead for a long time (I didn’t even know that they’d be revived)… I was so sad
As a french i remember fighting the final boss for hours praying that my ntds don't crash then i finally beat that boss and yeah clearly this was the hardest mario and Luigi i ever played
i thought the darkest one was super paper mario (the world almost becomes a new world under control of dimentio)
the american version lacks a bit of polishment (and sound effects or other minor details) and the ridiculous amount of HP is just artificial difficulty. the european version didn't just decrease the HP but also gave late game bosses "automatic attacks" where they'll have an exclamation point and attack you if you attack them. basically, they'll go an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. for example, elder princess shroob will do the wario shoulder bash to whoever attacked her.
It's indeed hard af, unless you are as stubborn as me and play the final Shroob Palace over and over until Mario and Luigi are level 90 something. Taking down the Shroob princesses with normal jumps will never be not funny.
I agree with everything you say, it’s also very underrated and the only that didn’t get a remake, but I remember i would struggle with the bosses and even lasted hours on bosses.
Would love to play it again but can’t
Now they’re making a M&L6 on switch, I hope they’ll remake this masterpiece on switch
I agree with this video entirely, i have always seen this game to be the darkest in the series
I think super paper mario is darker, I mean, You've got a lot of death (for a mario game) and betrayal of what we thought was the main villain who only wanted to bring back someone he thought dead who then did die with the not so villain villain
its a toss up between the two. Depends on what form of genocide you find darker. An all encroaching unstoppable void that you have no power to stop and must just accept your fate, or an invading alien species you can theoretically fight, but they are just using your entire species as food.
Ironically I felt like I did pretty well playing this game. Then again, it’s not my first Mario and Luigi game.
This is my first ever mario and luigi rpg. And its soooo hard i couldn't beat the lollipop shroob.
incredible how PIT and BIS is not the same universe, like these bros in BIS is the baby's from PIT but in PIT the adult Bros didnt live PIT moment when they was child
Brothership has entered the chat.
Seriously, I'd rate Reclusa as a far darker villain than the Shroobs.
As soon as he makes his debut, Reclusa traps everyone in a dream world, outright saying that he plans for them to waste away and die while in their illusions.
And Concordia is far from the first world he has done that to.
It far worst when Reclusa has said that he done this to many worlds mean many planets in the universe have fallen because of Reclusa.
Elder Princess Shroob took me an hour to beat while every other bosses of the game took 15 minutes or less (with some rare exceptions)
Fast forward 20 something years is all?? I never pictured the bros being in their 20s. They always seemed late thirties or early 40s in my mind.
Great video friend!!
I may be a bit biased, but I love this game.
We may never know why Alpha Dream skipped remaking this one. Perhaps it was indeed the darker tone.
I beat it recently as part of (re)playing the whole series before I get Brothership for Christmas. I didn't think it was THAT hard, the only non-Final Boss I died to was Elder Shrooboid, and that was only because I failed to reset his insta-kill countdown.
I remember as a kid, I couldn't beat the red version of the first boss.
I beat him easy spamming ice flowers
really good video and essay, but why does no one EVER ttain mario and luigi defense stat
The American release..... has double health bosses.......... I think I need to find a new copy of Partners in Time 💀
Yk i think there were a few times where i found it easier to just be baby mario and luigi and not have their adult counterparts. Not a lot but it still was the case a few times
i think the time travel aspect works differently in this game
like yea the shroobs already took over the past but then why inst the present affected?
well it inst (YET), i personally belive overtime the present will fade into the present taken over by the shroobs.
This is my favourite game in the series.
I remember growing up with this game, but I never got far.
Though last year I decided to pick it up again, and yea it was somewhat hard.
It had some small moments where I didn't really have a lot of opportunity to attack.
My favorite game of that SAGA
Wow Dark!
Compared to the other parts this game just made "very few sales", explains a lot, especially with a 2005 release
I am currently doing my first playthrough of this game myself, and i gotta say, the game is really fucking fun, they way they made the characters, the battles, the story, everything. Even tho this game is hard af, you can even train your timings for attacks on weaker enemies if you want too, i love this game, even tho its a pretty dark and hard game, and i really hope others will too
I'm at the at the final boss. I fought her for an hour (the single battle). And I had small window to attack cause either Mario or Luigi died and I had to spend my rounds healing them. Her attack are a nightmare to avoid. The one when the vessels crash on you was for most part a skill issue from me. The same attack but this time using the portal I couldn't remember cause 20 minutes (no joke) had passed, had to rely on shadow. The one when she swip the group with her tentacle was manageble with 2 tentacle with 3 it was a pain, sometime my control would stop reponding, with the speed increasing the tentacle caught up to me and when Luigi and Mario were hit, they were stuck in loop. The gaz attack and tentacle stabbinb not a problem cause they're easy, the one were grab Mario and Luigi I either mess up the timing (like a lot of thing with the hammer) or just was not paying attention thinking she was about to attack with the vessels. And the one I hate the most, the purple super ball projectile. I don't get the timing with that thing. Princess Shroob is a huge brick wall, for the first a boss really challenged me. After losing I was mad cause you know I spent an entire hour fighting her just to lose. I acknoledge that my strategy wasn't the best. I didn't feel like trying to fight her again today. But let's try again tomorrow ( I guess I'll also have to redo the princess shroob fight but oh well she was not that hard to beat)
(It's still my favorite mario game and game from my childhood)
not water
specificially baby tears is anti shroom
AAAAH A PURPLE MUSHROOM SO DARK AND SCARY AIIIEEEEEE SOMEONE HELP ME I AM AFRA-ACK
Funny how every1 hates smash egg, but forget that in combat you can press x or y to make the babies jump, if you bounce it 2 times it deals a bunch moee damage, making it 1 of the better attacks to use, long yes but high damage
I watched this vid after watching ScionVyse’s review, which made me super angry as he was just complaining (even when he wasn’t supposed to - e.g. when he said that the Copy Flower was difficult to use and blamed it on the game when it was clearly a skill issue from his side). Thank you for this objective review! Partners in Time is AMAZING. The only reason why it’s not that appreciated is because not enough people know it / have played it. Bowser’s Inside Story had the advantage of being released in 2009 when a lot more people had Nintendo DS’s. The same can’t be said for PiT which was released in 2005.
I didn't have much problem with partners in time's difficulty, mainly because I played on the european copy, and also when I play it I abuse the shit out of the EXP badge. Right before gritzy desert I also get exactly the needed amount of beans to buy the EXP badge A.
On my last playthrough, via using bros attack in *every* single battle (which I found quite fun and trivialized a lot of things) i got to levels 37-38, which let me kill elder princess shroob with two turns of Mix flowers.
FR: Je n'ai pas trouvé le jeu spécialement difficile comparé aux autres. °_ °
EN: I haven't found the game more difficult compared to the other ones. °_ °
How did the shroobs even manage to survive as long as they did in the mushroom kingdom? Wouldn’t nature just kick in and have it start raining? Guess they got lucky
This game was my First Mario and Luigi Game, and I thought it was Bowser's inside Story. I was thrown off when BiS had no dark plot twists like PiT did.
I thought the same way for Kingdom Hearts 358/3 days (Title is hard to remember, apologies for getting it wrong.) because I saw kingdom hearts and thought Re:coded.
by no stretch of the imagination, I wasn't a Bright Child regarding my knowledge of Franchises.
to be Fair though, I got the Better of the pair anyway. BiS was Easier to Play but PiT was more immersive the older I got.
I never noticed the elder and younger princess shroobs in the background
A remake of this game would work well with similar style to Brothership
Personally I think it's the best story-wise out of the Mario and Luigi series, but the second worst gameplay wise. I felt the story broke up what was rather not very fun gameplay. I love Bowser's Inside Story and Dream Team, but this one felt like the dungeons were way longer than the other entries and weren't very fun to go through. Also, purely on me, but I couldn't get the babies controls. I ended up just saying screw it and doing the standard version of the attacks I couldn't do.
I would like to see this game get remade though. That'd be pretty cool.
So, I assume you gonna do a video on superstar next? Personally I would like to see a video on the two remakes. But, in particular the remake of superstar since it is actually good.
I didn't know English while playing this game (It was a hell to finish due to this) so I didn't realize it was dark until now.
I don't think I got the rage thing, but the only clue I might have gotten it was in the final boss, tho all Mario and Luigi final bosses spam attacks way too many times. So can someone tell me if 4 attacks in a row is normal for phase 2 of the Elder Princess Shroom?
This game traumatised me as a kid
My most favorite M&L game still not having a remake...
Probably in the future if Brothership sells well
With Brothership's sells we cán see it soon
This game used to scare me when I was a kid
honestly im surprised how far 7 year old me made it back when i had this game on the 3DS. i made it half-way thru the game somehow-
first time playing this game i really hate it cause it goes thru a long journey and a lot of fighting with suffering 😭
i left with unfinished childhood games