What's the best family SUV? (Q&A) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Australian roads sound inviting. Here we hold the go pedal down and honk and flash the high beams. The IQ is inversely proportional to the number of honks or flashes. USA. Probably anywhere. Doesn't matter which lane you're in. They'll teach you a lesson. Just have a bumper with spikes on the front for when they brake check ya.
Sounds like India.
England? I liked driving there, go fast in the right lane, someone goes faster they flash, you moved over. I Australia, you flash, people slow down trying to police you. I know what I like.
"The IQ is inversely proportional to the number of honks or flashes." Cracks me up because just this morning I got flashed and flipped off by a cranky motorist as he sped past me who didn't like that I wouldn't speed for him while we were in an average-speed camera monitored zone.
Space saver, never again.
Friday night flat between braidwood and bungedore, Winter, 10pm. 45kt winds snow, sleet. Unpack the snow gear, space saver fitted, then the 80kph trip to Cooma. So much fun, what a great night.
Bought a full size spare the following week.
JC, very happy owner of a CX9, procured it with the help of some whacko on TH-cam. It's worth adding to your concerns about the space saver in the CX9 that there is a restriction on distance (200km) AND where you can put it. My owner's manual tells me the space saver has to go on the rear. So if you puncture a front, you have to jack up the rear, take a rear off and replace with the space saver, whack it back down on the ground and jack up the front to put the rear you just removed on to that corner. Highly impractical, and I suspect beyond most average users. And as you allude, the full size punctured tyre requires most of the boot, which just might not be available. I have a full size spare that I take with us when we are towing the Shitois. It can live in the boot as there is no luggage load when the crap is all in the Shitois. This covers us for being long distances from a tyre shop and/ore trying to cover large distances in a day without undue delay and/or travelling on public holidays when a tyre shop is not open. And guess what, as a normal nine-to-fiver, public holidays are when we tend to travel. Space savers are the most impractical, cynical work-of-the-devil idea that I am convinced should actually be called "cost savers". It's just as well the car is so good in most other areas.
I'm with you about cars with spacesaver wheels and then even worse is the pump kits. I don't understand why they are available here in Australia. I did have one car with a spacesaver (a 94 Nissan Bluebird) which I used once, luckily I was only about 50k from the next town on a B Grade Road (Bruce Highway hehe) between Townsville and Ayr. Had my puncture fixed at the first opportunity at Ayr.
Talking about space savers, i came across a mate with a flat tyre on his porsche twin turbo 996. It had a space saver, but luckily i had a old dog blanket in my old commodore, to wrap his 300/45- 18 flat tyre in to put in the passenger seat to drive home 😅😂
And leave a passenger at the roadside. Ha ha ha!
So he was that precious with that tire you were made to baby wrap it in comfort but he allowed it to be drivin on road where dog and birds crap all over and used by the homeless?.
John, I am sitting in the dark, travelling home in the car, watching your clip. When at 9:25 ish there is a spooky whistling noise ….. lol 😮
Carnival - space saver spare and the flat tyre gets to travel inside the cabin with all the kids.
Hi John, I'm a fan of the Sorento Sport+ diesel but not convinced about the DCT gearbox? I love the look of the 2023 Palisade Elite - diesel has TC gearbox.
Space saver is the marketing term for cost saver.
Which begs the question, what do they cost? Only your life.
Yes, definitely a cheaper cost saving exercise. What I'm curious about is that once you change your flat tyre, where do you put the full size flat? If the space saver storage area has room for the full size flat, why not just put a full size spare there? The flat tyre doesn't take up less space.
@@Wdeane1957 You put the filthy brake dust coated flat wheel on your wifes lap, obviously.
@@Wdeane1957 this is why instead of a minivan u get a 7 seater suv, the spare just goes below the back area of the chassis. yea the 7 seater suv format costs more but like William said....
The other thing about the 2022 Outlander PHEV is it's a much better car. Surprisingly nimble, nice suspension setup and the biggest EV only range PHEV out there. Having owned one since 2014, plugging it in each evening is not difficult (although my one is nowhere near as good as the current model). It becomes a habit quite quickly. I did keep it garaged most of the time which made it easy to plug in.
For me it's the new Outlander and the Outlander PHEV, both great value for money and for it's class, they both have the best packaging.
Hopefully no leakage from the a-noos... (Not that there is anything wrong with that, apparently.)
Thanks again J.C. You are the DJ Khaled with "another one"
Always when I'm at the pub. Haha. Least I can pass the channel name around a bit.
I can't see me buying a new car and replacing my old Pajero NT anytime soon. I just don't know what the government is going to change as far as the laws go
👍Great advise for me to think over! 😉
Glad you liked it, John
Ford Territory wheels compliment any exceptionally long tray... It's just a fact John. Get with the program, dude.
I'll throw some love to the PHEV too. Brilliant car - Used to own one before buying some mediocracy. To be picky at "John's" research; the spec sheet for the new PHEV makes it look like it is still a Mitsubishi!
John do you think Outlander base is better than Cx8 base? ($4k diff)
Cx-8 $44k drive away - good value if need a huge boot or use the 7 seats occasionally
Back in 2005 i bought a Honda Jazz with what they called a Zero speed CVT, but it had paddles and in M mode could be driven as a 7 Speed. I always drove it in D mode, and the only time the M mode was used was when my neice's hubby just had to have a go. I had an aftermarket Cruise Control (not available standard) and the CVT just could not handle the pressure especially in hilly situations. Was great with on the flat. CVT worked fine, but would not have another thank you.😗😗😗
Could be more to do with the engine size and the fact that it was aftermarket cruise rather than any shortcomings in the technology. A manual Jazz was underpowered to begin with.
@@jeremybean-hodges6397 Mine was a 1.5 mate. My sister has a Vibe. 1.3 and it is underpowered.
Like your T-shirt John
I agree with you Mr Cadogen that the 3rd row of the outlander is kind of crap, you also didnt mention that the glove box is also compromised as the like most french vehicles they can be bothered with moving the fuse box over. Funny enough Mitsubishi has a 7 seater in its lineup that more suited to that breeder lifestyle, its called the Xpander and its not offered in the market cause Australian sensibilities and pockets are very hugh and will not be bothered with such value for money vehicles lol
Hi John. Thanks for the great report. I am in the market for a 7 seater too for my family of 6. So would the sorento or the santa fe be appropriate as a daily driver i.e 3rd being used on a daily basis. Thanks
If you’re using the 3rd row everyday a Carnival or Palisade is better. I used to have a Chrysler Grand Voyager for our family when we’d often travel all together. It was very comfortable and easy to get in and out of for the kids. Having to slide seats forward and back constantly is not fun. I have a Kia Sorento now and seldom have to use the 3rd row. It’s handy to have but I have to take nearly everything out of my boot area to put the 3rd row seats up.
@@catk9685 thanks for the reply. I would love a palisade but can’t afford. I might go for a 2019 diesel carnival instead.
@@deedarli you should definitely have a look at Carnival I drove a rental one for week 6 up and it was super comfy, easy to drive and really roomy.
No it wouldn't, as a child in a family of 6, we had a van, climbing over seats isn't fun.
When John talked with phone I turn on CC
Gday John, how about a revisit re the 2022 Ssangyong range?
Their sales are forecast to be the best ever this 2022 year, indicative numbers are around 3500 vehicles so it seems they are a manufacturer on the move.
I understand their new owner has set the Aussie strategy for backing by the parent company as compared to previous strategy of ‘agents’.
The Aussie suspension tune with Ironman is up and running and apparently transforms the vehicle from its standard suspension. The 7-7-7 warranty is also just behind Mitsubishi. Still very good.
Your thoughts?
I’ve never seen anybody do a drive in a car like a Pallisade with the extended family plus luggage. Do they have a good GVM for this sort of thing?
Don't you have Google and a calculator?
@@AutoExpertJC they will no doubt give me some figures to work with but I’d love to see them attack Mt Ousley with the family on the way back from a long weekend.
There's always one, as they say ...
Turns out I am 'the one' in this case. The one who actually rather likes his 2014 X-Trail St FWD CVT. So much so in fact that I've hung on to it far longer than any other car I've owned. You see, because I spend my retirement photographing certified loonies tear around on two wheels or four, frequently in forests (rally), around paddocks (offroad) or around various types of shithouse terrain (MX and MotoTrials) AND I lug heaps of photography gear with me, I need an SUV. Sure, 4x4 would have prevented a couple of embarrassments, but overall and across ca. 100,000 kms so far, FWD has been perfectly adequate. So, as you can see, my needs are pretty easily met within aforementioned parameters.
I should add that, being a lifetime petrolhead notwithstanding, I am first and foremost a tightwad. Hence the X-Trail in poverty spec.
Needless to say, for the past few years I have frequently thought it's time to get a new car. It's what we do, right? There doesn't have to be much of a reason beyond, "I want something shiny and new." So I launch, in my usual fashion, into spreadsheets and interweb research. I can spend days doing this. However, every single time I land on the exact same conclusion. If I did swap the Exxy, I have been so happy with it - amazingly frugal, 100% reliable and, because I drive in 'chauffeur mode' now that I'm an old git, I even rather like the CVT - in fact I like it a lot. Which always brings me to the same conclusion: I should just buy another X-Trail. Which in turn brings me to the subsequent conclusion: why bother? The X-Trail cost me $30K new in 2014 and does everything I need rather well. I bash the crap out of the poor thing and it's starting to show; I'd be hesitant to put a brand new car through the same torment.
Is it just me? Am I just lucky and have low expectations?
Why carry heavy battery ?
Surely the best car for a mildly enthusiastic breeder couple (i.e. 2 kids) is a Mazda 6, or if it's a shorter family, just a Corolla or an i30.
Mum had two kids and we got by just fine with a Volkswagen Golf, then a first-gen Honda Jazz. It did help that I'm the tallest at 5'7, but we weren't ever really pushed for space.
Back in the 80's-90's, many families used forward control vans to pack the kids in; and way back in the day, excess kids got packed into the luggage area of the family wagon.
@@petesmitt fair - but that’s not just about room, that’s about safety
mildly enthusiastic, 2? that's cute. had you said 5 or more then that's a different storey. it's no wonder 7 seater offerings are harder and harder to come by each year because nobody is breeding for whatever reason.
I had to pick between a 70,000km 2016 ford everest and a toyota 100,000km fortuner with the fortuner costing significantly more but being less aesthetic with less features and less space in the third row, and isofix doesn't exist for all of the second and third row, which it does in the ford everest, all seats have it except the two front seats of course.
granted, im expecting the everest to start having transmissions problems for whatever reason due to design flaws so I have money and parts(solenoids etc) literally put aside on standby for if/when that happens.
the truth of the matter is there aren't much breeder buses out there and the ones which exists are of the minivan type. they're ugly and underwhelming along with feeling and being exposed on the road, the only upside to them is that they're much cheaper.
@@theinvisibleman6147 to be fair, after 40 years of flatlining wages and astronomical house prices, 5 is EXTREMELY enthusiastic…
@@jeremybean-hodges6397 not really. people's ideas of what is a need vs a want is what's changed the most over the last 40 years.
the need to impress neighbors and friends so you have to give your kid the best of the best, that means the best schools (public or private) the best Christmas and birthday gifts etc.
pile that on with most of the women out here who are high maintainance and give nothing of value in return( ie kids, sometimes not even 1).
pile that on with people being too busy trying to keep up with their neighbors or friends economically or putting up appearances(the rat race), meaning more money actually goes into needless accoutrements and trinkets overtime, money that could of gone into kids.
the cost of living is a minor, I repeat, a minor factor contributing to the amount of kids people choose to have. it's primarily because people's minds are busy with other stuff, wether it's work, flexing or some other thing that's meaningless(not real, contrived). That's the thing nobody wants to address or talk about in detail.
there are people doing it, therefore it can be done, all it takes is healthy mindset and someone else with the same. it takes two hands to clap. I've done it and been doing it (on my 5th) for what will be 6 years now come end of year. I'm not rich and neither is the missus, we wanted the same thing and we just pooled what resources we had and got to it like rabbits. People overthink too much or find alot of stuff to be distracted by so they don't bother having as much kids if any.
We live in a 3 bed 1200 sq house with two bathrooms :/ built on 5000sq ft and will be paid for in 15 years time after taking out the mortgage 5 years ago, by then I'll be 45, she'll be 35. I work in the IT public sector while doing contracts on the side if/when called, she runs a bakery. My mother helps with the kids on weekends so we both get a break.
It can and has been done no matter how trying times get, both partners have to be willing for it to be done. when the will is there, everything else literally becomes a non issue.
sorry for the semi rant but I try to shut rhetoric like yours down every time I see it, I can't resist xD
I would term it them as " Trade-offs " Subaru Outback as an alternative 😉
When are you going to do a review on the new Cupra range? Everyone is raving about them.
Is that like "everyone thinks i was the best president "? Never heard a good word about cupra
Aren't they just those cheap VWs that Seat make?
I genuinely thought John Shen's name was going to be Eric. Also, please bring back the Mingmols?
LDV D90, loads of space, obviously what dealer you would buy one from makes all the difference but massively generous 3rd row space and even a boot for a few sports bags behind the 3rd row
guaranteed rust bucket?
@@anthonyadverse4449 had mine 2 years, no rust plus made in the same factory as MG, not sure shit Australia aftersales service from a CG dealer warrants a tainted brush over the whole brand
@@anthonyadverse4449 Only if you drive it to work at the beach every day.
@@RadRoadAdventures MG passenger cars are technically made in a separate factory to LDV commercials (which includes D90)
Do these vehicles with CVTs allow the driver to switch off the fake gear steps?
The Mitsubishi CVT has the ‘gear stepping’ as an ‘opt-in’ rather than an ‘opt-out’ kind of thing. Just put it in D and it will do its thing until you over-ride it with the steering wheel shift paddles or whatever a given model uses.
@@stevel2335 thanks Steve.
I have a 3 tone caravan that is a good ute for towing it.
Anything that weighs over 3 ton stock.
I'm going Ford Everest at the moment. I'm in Philippines at present I'd like to have 4x4. I'll look at new Fortuner in 2024. 15 grand cheaper the Everest here .
Seems Mazda is well liked in Australia, huh? I don’t hear much mentioned about Toyotas on this channel so just wondering.
Arr the leg room some anr boffinngoing to make a mint leg room and comfort in something not big big equals space luxurious in car fountains ....maybe limb room ohs
Ahhh the old breeder bus 🤣
The station wagon lives
5:04
Get a big PHEV up ya!
Hi John, I was shocked & my good wife very upset when she returned home from the Mitsushtime dealership in Werribee.
Her ASX was in for a 45,000km's book service, a minor service I may add at the stunning cost of $464. The most expensive oil change in history.
and you paid it and will pay it again. play stupid games, win stupid prizes, thanks for playing.
Cheaper than a breeder bus is a v-sect or FT tie. Cheaper in divorce actions in family court too.
Spare tyre in an aerosol can , can get one home .
Cx60
Nissan makes 3 good vehicles. The GT-R because GT-R. The new 400z (a pure drivers sports car) and the new Frontier pickup.(basically the north american Nevara) every else is barely considered transportation and anything with a CVT should be avoided.
Ford Tourneo from NZ. Looks great - BUT it's a Ford and they will throw you under it.
PMSL - nothing more to say!
All this emphasis on hauling kids and other people...don't bros anymore need representative transport that also hauls lots of stuff? That's me. A van is too easy, less comfy, less representative. Something like an R-Class, if it wasn't old and US made, would be just the ticket. The largest modern wagons (seemingly smaller than before) might do the trick as well, and drive as soon as sports saloon or limo.
Do Mazda still sell CX-8? If yea then there is a diesel
there's also the ford everest, the toyota fortuner and the isuzu m-ux
yea I know all three have their problems but they're alternative branches away from the low minivan format that's out there.
I think of boobies too John very relaxing but I also find thermodynamics and convergent/divergent ducts help me to find Solis 🤣✈👍
Pajero gen 2 👈💪
But the fake Outlander will surely crap itself the same as its Nissan twin. A bit like a Navarra in Mascara but without the prickly suppository
I love the AC/DC reference; Australia's single contribution to Western civilization
It's one more than Africa....
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Haha
The Bee Gees, Masters Apprentices, Cold Chisel, INXS, Divinyls, Easybeats, LRB, Skyhooks, Icehouse, Midnight Oil, Superjesus, Baby Animals, and many more I am sure I have missed, might tend to disagree.
Airbourne, Divinyls, Inxs, Python Lee Jackson :-)
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Apart from the proven fact that all mankind is descended from the first humans who first appeared in Africa :-)
Trev and Muz. 😂
Hi John. I've been watching you since the ,,best way to beat a dealer" videos. In the last videos, I think i saw you at least ten times putting your fingers onto the eye-zone forehead in the nose starting area. Maybe you should see a doctor about that. Thank you for your ten years work so far.
Am I the only one who thinks that V is the only letter in SUV that is actually correct? They are not sporty in the slightest and won't carry a cement mixer and half a ton of sand...
And you still have to verify your email and send it back to me ASAP.. Goodnight and sorry for the late reply as I have not been able to reply to your email as I am currently working on the same day as I am working on the project management project and I am currently looking for work.
No contest , Toyota !!!!!
Sounds like cloned obsolescence.
If that is the unfortunate side effects of breeding….
Bring on the frangers !!!
We just took delivery of our Havel Jolion. I don’t know what ppl are going on about them. They’re great cars. Good technology with good space. Great price as well.
U just wait till it disintegrates on the highways n byways then dealerships do a disappearing act never seen again.
@@conmanumber1 unlike Holden bud I doubt it.
@@conmanumber1 Scare tactics much? So much for statements based on facts!
@ghs77 didn't bother turning up to the comments section _again_ ? That boy needs to sort his shit out.
*sigh* guess I'll just have to sub in for him... as per usual.
Nice gay t-shirt John!
Stolen from a cave in Pangaea?
Thank you xxx
Outlander died when it tripped and fell into the Nissan parts bin... as will the Triton when its "Navarafication" is complete. 🤮
The next Triton will be just that, a Triton. Mitsubishi is now building the platform for both the Triton and Navara.
Who can afford to breed nowadays? Certainly not me.
Great wall of china 🤩
I drove the outlander today. Not bad. Nothing special. Absolutely gutless.
I’d rather get a Skoda kodiaq
Car industry got a VENDETTA against tall peeps the same damm driver seat measurements plus or minus a minuscule .Maybe just stretch the l room on drivers seat the rest ...well that's not me evil laugh
Nissanification of Mitsubishi. Such a waste Mitsubishi went the way it did, not even a diesel anymore. That was one reason we bought them. It was one of the best...Back in the time.
Yep. I agree. Love mitsi’s and have had a number of them. Great vehicles. Had a Nissan or two but never, ever, ever again.
What was this obnoxious show in places of Ming moles?
Or a JEEP, no space savers here or over there and I'm no lawyer.
You would need to be a lawyer to buy one of those, talking of sadomasochism...
On the breeding Australian demographic. The Pope has a lot for which to answer.
Why you talk too much .. please make the long story short
"Christian name"? Really? Don't you mean "first name"?
SUV's are shite....... and on that note whats the best family wagon/shootingbrake in 2023?
Actually the world does need more humans John, but if you don't want to procreate then that's on you, but don't try to shame others because you hate humanity.
It seems to be a race between close to 9 billion people destroying the best parts of their environment, and getting that 1 in a million that invents something that helps. My vote for best inventions are the condom and birth control pills, especially for less than average people just smart enough to know they suck at raising children properly, mentally and economically.
NICE GAY T-SHIRT JOHN!!!
STOLEN FROM THE STOLEN GENERATION,?
May I suggest Chevrolet Suburban or Accolade?.
Not available in straya or sheepshagistan