I switched from Notion to Obsidian but this time I’m not tempted. The community plugins in Obsidian allows you to truly make it your own in terms of appearance and functionality.
exactly, once you use obsidian you felt like you finally found your home, where you can be safe. you know that your formatting will always work in the future, and your file is stored locally. it's super fast without latency, the typing experience is amazing. you don't need to worry about constantly migrating your data. it's so good, so user friendly, everything were there with purpose, and all the features were created with thoughtfulness.
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 why its not like you will lose the files if obsidian goes under and plus if you have everything in obsidian, you are most likely going to back it up in a separate software
If you're suffering from FOMO with regards to Tana, bear in mind that 99% of what you really want to achieve in your life can be done with any productivity app or system...even 🖋 + 📃!
@@productivityselfimprovemen7674 Not only is it real, but it is crippling people's effectiveness and I would imagine hundreds of thousands of productive hours are lost to it. 😔
- Tana is a step forward and two step back: proprietary online service and no local file editing. - Obsidian edits local Markdown files but it's proprietary. - Roam and Notion are online and proprietary. - Logseq is Free Open Source Software, works locally with Markdown file and optionally in a web browser still editing local files without uploading them to a server. I'm sorry for the others but when it comes to personal knowledge management being FOSS and editing standard local files are preconditions for digital self-sovereignty.
I am using logseq and its great and powerful . And its free . I dint like Tana. Why do we need to pay tana every month subscription free ? LOL 🤣 . when we already have powerful free tools like - logseq , obsidian etc
I've been using it for about a week and a half. Tana is an outliner database creator which is kind of a new thing. Besides this new mashup, It's advantage is that it can do pretty much everything the other apps can do, but much much faster. And maybe the most important aspect is that you can restructure your setup on the fly. You can build and experiment without fear because it's so easy to change things. I've tried and used pretty much everything within the PKM/TFT space, Tana is a game changer.
@@mediawolf1 I couldn't really say because someone sent me an invite. I do know that it varies depending on how you filled out the survey when you signed up and how active you are as a contributor to the Tana Slack community.
To me, to qualify as a Obsidian alternative, the application must be on top of a local folder of plain text files. Otherwise, I just can't trust that the company will be available in the next 20 years.
exactly an application that doesn't use local text files for obsidian users can't be an alternative to obsidian and it doesn't matter how shiny the new tool is
I'm sure if a company was going away there would be plenty of notice and the ability to export your graph. Your stuff wouldn't just vanish into thin air
My initial enthusiasm for Tana has faded some the more I learn about it. Not that I'm suggesting that it is all hype. But the main feature seems to be Supertags, which is nice if you need that kind of database function. I don't. But I will happily try it (on the waiting list) and see what I think after using it.
I've been looking at Tana as a database alternative to Notion via the Supertags for certain projects which overlap at different levels. Tana (to me at least) is more intuitive than Notion. (Loved your reaction watching the videos btw!)
I really have enjoyed learning and making videos about Tana. Especially the new AI features. I have very much enjoyed creating my Zettelkasten in Tana. I agree it needs local storage, offline editing, and additional security. Guess we'll see how it goes as they approach the launch and leave the closed beta behind.
Nah, it was game changing, when i discovered markup languages. I will never turn back to proprietary, closed file formats for notetaking I need my files localy, that i can read and edit with different tools, backup, export, sync, extend functionality with add-ons, rearrange, etc., the way i feel
Wow! You have upped your game in terms of the editing and storytelling, it all feels fresh and appealing. Tana? I don't know, off to your next video with Danny, Ev... let's see....
Yes, u can basically do everything Tana can on Obsidian, but for free with local file (which mean you truly own it) while Tana is proprietary and cost 10$/months I assume u can also do everything Tana can inside Notion but since I don't use it maybe some feature is not possible to do
In the end of the video I find myself having the same pose / body language as Francesco while watching him watching a Tana tutorial. I almost wanted to film myself so yall in the comment field can reply and we can all nerd on each other nerds moments in infinity.
Is there something different about their "supertags" versus just you creating a tag for "projects" or whatever the super one would be? I mean, I use a super-category, category, sub-category columns in spreadsheets, but they work the same - it's just an imaginary abstraction. How is this different?
If it workes offline and have an database of my readwise,instapaper , and can integrate with my todoist or have its own reminder and calendar, and can replace my Anki with flashcards , taaaaakee alll of my moneeey
Watched an hour of tutorials - its very confusing. And the interface is so 'overbusy'. So much noise, compared to content. And not very good for long form writing. No markdown.
this is yet another bloat Notes. here the thing, you achieve more by separating your todo tasks, calendar, gantt, or kanban into separate specialized apps. from my experience, combining everything into one app is very stressful. you have to deal with multiple pages or folder with all different purposes & views, it took me 20-50 seconds to figure out what i want to open, which page, before i finally open it. it took too much processing power. while with dedicated specialized app, i can just open the app, i know right away what to do, because there are already a great System set up for me. These days, Obsidian is the most powerful notes app. it basically replaced everything that i tried. Obsidian is great, the features felt thoughtful, it's there with purpose, and i'm sure the devs are care about the users and they're an experienced note taker themself. because the app felt so organic. everything that i wish a notes app have, Obsidian have it. while with the other note app, it's like they create a feature for the sake of creating it, without much of a thought, the result is a trainwreck features that can't be used seriously, just mix features from multiple apps, and call it a new app.
While I am trying to remember that shiny object syndrome is a thing, this looks interesting!!! Like natural language from Todoist marries databases #Notion AND network graph view? BUT! I used to be a ClickUp fan and while I still do love ClickUp, what I learned is that if you try to be everything, you are kind of meh. ClickUp tries to do everything in my opinion rather than encourage the user to think of ClickUp as a part of a "second brain" ecosystem. If Tana is gonna try to be everything, I hope Tana is humble and collab rather than doing like ClickUp saying you are better than everyone else when you are in fact not because ctrl + f is a crucial feature. Especially if you have ADHD like me! With this said, I signed up immediately because I am super curious but at least this, I will try to not onboard a team without deciding what tool I really gonna stick with longterm first. Simplicity and Lean, and geeking I guess? Cheers! Thank you very much for this nerdy video that turned a gloomy Wednesday into a sparkling evening here in Sweden despite we not having sun for month to come.
May anyone help me with an invite if you are an existing user? Many thanks in advance. I have seen more than dozens of tutorials but still stuck on the waiting list. 😅
I switched from Notion to Obsidian but this time I’m not tempted. The community plugins in Obsidian allows you to truly make it your own in terms of appearance and functionality.
One of the many reasons i love obsidian and hope to cuss it forever
exactly, once you use obsidian you felt like you finally found your home, where you can be safe.
you know that your formatting will always work in the future, and your file is stored locally.
it's super fast without latency, the typing experience is amazing.
you don't need to worry about constantly migrating your data.
it's so good, so user friendly, everything were there with purpose, and all the features were created with thoughtfulness.
Having everything in a single app is just begging for a disaster though.
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 why its not like you will lose the files if obsidian goes under and plus if you have everything in obsidian, you are most likely going to back it up in a separate software
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 saying this for Tana, Obsidian, or other?
If you're suffering from FOMO with regards to Tana, bear in mind that 99% of what you really want to achieve in your life can be done with any productivity app or system...even 🖋 + 📃!
🖋 + 📃is the new thing :)
@@WellingtonDuarteCanal But is 🖋 + 📃 the new Notion killer?! 😆😆
I need to remind this myself. New shiny object sundrome is real
@@productivityselfimprovemen7674 Not only is it real, but it is crippling people's effectiveness and I would imagine hundreds of thousands of productive hours are lost to it. 😔
@@darius1b agree. I am victim of this
- Tana is a step forward and two step back: proprietary online service and no local file editing.
- Obsidian edits local Markdown files but it's proprietary.
- Roam and Notion are online and proprietary.
- Logseq is Free Open Source Software, works locally with Markdown file and optionally in a web browser still editing local files without uploading them to a server.
I'm sorry for the others but when it comes to personal knowledge management being FOSS and editing standard local files are preconditions for digital self-sovereignty.
I am using logseq and its great and powerful . And its free .
I dint like Tana. Why do we need to pay tana every month subscription free ? LOL 🤣 . when we already have powerful free tools like - logseq , obsidian etc
What should I legit be concerned about with my offline obsidian files?
I've been using it for about a week and a half. Tana is an outliner database creator which is kind of a new thing. Besides this new mashup, It's advantage is that it can do pretty much everything the other apps can do, but much much faster. And maybe the most important aspect is that you can restructure your setup on the fly. You can build and experiment without fear because it's so easy to change things. I've tried and used pretty much everything within the PKM/TFT space, Tana is a game changer.
Curious, how long was the wait to get access? Thanks 🙏
@@mediawolf1 I couldn't really say because someone sent me an invite. I do know that it varies depending on how you filled out the survey when you signed up and how active you are as a contributor to the Tana Slack community.
do you have to pay the app once you get the invite?
@@voldefox No it's free once you get in. They aren't going to start charging until they officially launch.
@@superlaserbunny and it will stay free forever (for those who get the invite)?
Dynalist and Notion had a baby and it's beautiful!
To me, to qualify as a Obsidian alternative, the application must be on top of a local folder of plain text files.
Otherwise, I just can't trust that the company will be available in the next 20 years.
probably not even going to last 5 for that reason
exactly an application that doesn't use local text files for obsidian users can't be an alternative to obsidian and it doesn't matter how shiny the new tool is
I'm sure if a company was going away there would be plenty of notice and the ability to export your graph. Your stuff wouldn't just vanish into thin air
@@jwack As a software guy, when a company dies; the export feature is not a priority.
I just want a web app
My initial enthusiasm for Tana has faded some the more I learn about it. Not that I'm suggesting that it is all hype. But the main feature seems to be Supertags, which is nice if you need that kind of database function. I don't. But I will happily try it (on the waiting list) and see what I think after using it.
I would like to see a notion vs tana comparison about database features.
I've been looking at Tana as a database alternative to Notion via the Supertags for certain projects which overlap at different levels. Tana (to me at least) is more intuitive than Notion. (Loved your reaction watching the videos btw!)
For what I understand that it's a mix of Notion and Logseq and is just riding the hype train.
Helpful and hilarious watching you watch the tutorial....puts fear and dread in my heart but I am keen to try!
I really have enjoyed learning and making videos about Tana. Especially the new AI features. I have very much enjoyed creating my Zettelkasten in Tana. I agree it needs local storage, offline editing, and additional security. Guess we'll see how it goes as they approach the launch and leave the closed beta behind.
when will this be released, is it still waitlist only?
I'm more excited about Anytype but this looks interesting too
Nah, it was game changing, when i discovered markup languages. I will never turn back to proprietary, closed file formats for notetaking
I need my files localy, that i can read and edit with different tools, backup, export, sync, extend functionality with add-ons, rearrange, etc., the way i feel
How does it work with an apple pencil and scribble on an ipad?
Notion drives me mad on that issue
Wow! You have upped your game in terms of the editing and storytelling, it all feels fresh and appealing. Tana? I don't know, off to your next video with Danny, Ev... let's see....
Thanks so much! :)
seems kind of similar to amplenote? with a more robust file and data system
Is it just hype??? 👀👀
Yes, its all hype.
Yes,
u can basically do everything Tana can on Obsidian, but for free with local file (which mean you truly own it) while Tana is proprietary and cost 10$/months
I assume u can also do everything Tana can inside Notion but since I don't use it maybe some feature is not possible to do
@@rom100main Obsidian is proprietary as well
@@voldefox txt files are proprietary?
@@pnavie read my comment more carefully: the SOFTWARE Obsidian is proprietary.
Why is it so hard for people to come up with something so simple to use like Evernote instead of memory mapping, graphing, correlating bloatware?
I wonder when this officially releases.
What I want to know is why do they require gmail? The Google tie-in via gmail makes me wonder what they are up to...
Exactly. That is an issue.
In the end of the video I find myself having the same pose / body language as Francesco while watching him watching a Tana tutorial. I almost wanted to film myself so yall in the comment field can reply and we can all nerd on each other nerds moments in infinity.
As a free PKM tool, I find dynalist a very useful webtool as well as an application too.
Tana’s my favorite artist
Is there something different about their "supertags" versus just you creating a tag for "projects" or whatever the super one would be? I mean, I use a super-category, category, sub-category columns in spreadsheets, but they work the same - it's just an imaginary abstraction. How is this different?
A bit frightening when marketing of new products are filled with promises, as underperformance becomes more likely.
Would rather wait for logseq to catch up and implement whatever good design decisions exist in tana
If it workes offline and have an database of my readwise,instapaper , and can integrate with my todoist or have its own reminder and calendar, and can replace my Anki with flashcards , taaaaakee alll of my moneeey
obsidian?
remnote?
If anyone has an extra invite they are willing to share i would love to have it!
Watched an hour of tutorials - its very confusing. And the interface is so 'overbusy'. So much noise, compared to content.
And not very good for long form writing. No markdown.
So it makes data view easier
But now I have to pay, can't export, and get locked in?
:/ .... eh.
this is yet another bloat Notes.
here the thing, you achieve more by separating your todo tasks, calendar, gantt, or kanban into separate specialized apps.
from my experience, combining everything into one app is very stressful.
you have to deal with multiple pages or folder with all different purposes & views,
it took me 20-50 seconds to figure out what i want to open, which page,
before i finally open it. it took too much processing power.
while with dedicated specialized app,
i can just open the app, i know right away what to do,
because there are already a great System set up for me.
These days, Obsidian is the most powerful notes app. it basically replaced everything that i tried.
Obsidian is great, the features felt thoughtful, it's there with purpose,
and i'm sure the devs are care about the users
and they're an experienced note taker themself.
because the app felt so organic.
everything that i wish a notes app have, Obsidian have it.
while with the other note app, it's like they create a feature for the sake of creating it, without much of a thought,
the result is a trainwreck features that can't be used seriously,
just mix features from multiple apps, and call it a new app.
I need relational databases.
I don’t think it can beat logsec at simplicity. Clearly it’s not WYSIWYG
While I am trying to remember that shiny object syndrome is a thing, this looks interesting!!!
Like natural language from Todoist marries databases #Notion AND network graph view?
BUT! I used to be a ClickUp fan and while I still do love ClickUp, what I learned is that if you try to be everything, you are kind of meh. ClickUp tries to do everything in my opinion rather than encourage the user to think of ClickUp as a part of a "second brain" ecosystem. If Tana is gonna try to be everything, I hope Tana is humble and collab rather than doing like ClickUp saying you are better than everyone else when you are in fact not because ctrl + f is a crucial feature. Especially if you have ADHD like me!
With this said, I signed up immediately because I am super curious but at least this, I will try to not onboard a team without deciding what tool I really gonna stick with longterm first.
Simplicity and Lean, and geeking I guess? Cheers! Thank you very much for this nerdy video that turned a gloomy Wednesday into a sparkling evening here in Sweden despite we not having sun for month to come.
If anyone has an invite, I'd be very grateful.
No native apps means no deal.
Honestly I moved from Notion - Craft - AppleNotes lmao
Anyone willing to help with getting access via invite?
cant't have my own notes back in a proper way? what's the point then? what if it shuts down like athens research. i'd probably stick to obsidian.
May anyone help me with an invite if you are an existing user? Many thanks in advance. I have seen more than dozens of tutorials but still stuck on the waiting list. 😅
Only One Demand: local file.
XD is this the snapchat of the todo apps?
Cannot compete with Obsidian. Notion is BS
seems all of those app are THE SAME thing !!! stop the crap !!!
Haha 😂
Useless gadget
'Flocking?' 😆 Open your eyes. Unsubbed.
Ay?