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- A Discussion around "No-Date" Watches looking at 5 separate reasons why you should own them. Not only discussing the aesthetics of the pieces, the cleanliness of the symmetry and basic functionality but also what a simple watch is able to do for you when it comes to appreciating the moment and time itself.
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Haha watching video wearing my SubC no date 114060. I love my ND watch❤️👍
I think you raise some great points. But (to me) they only work if you also have at least one other watch with a date complication 🙂👍
If you need a date on a dive watch you’ve been underwater too long!!!
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Brilliant.
Or you are a mermaid
Why would that be? I would venture to say that 99.9999999% of the time, dive watches are worn above water so why should they not have the date?
Dates are there to assist in no fly times post diving - for those that actually dive!
the one reason why I don't own no-date watches: I'm an idiot who can't remember todays date, ever.
Right? And people don't understand that. I am seriously having a problem remembering the date, day, sometimes even the month.
I think it's more laziness..why remember something when u can just check your watch or phone.
How many phone numbers have u memorised since having a mobile phone
I guess I'm an idiot.
I double check the date whenever I fill out a form even if I know it. I may try a no date Hamilton someday.
that's why some genius invented the watch WITH the day/date complications
Retirement watches should be no dates!!
not for me! I want everything on my watch
Your reasoning is the reason I love the Aquis date, because the date just disappears and is part of the symmetry of the design. Great video
I always prefer no-date variants if I can get them. I've been known to ignore the date wheel when putting on a watch, as I can't see them all very easily. But for those whose OCD prevents having a random date showing, your fantastic 1-5 list could be slightly extended...
#6: You don't have to set a date all of the time for those of us who have multiple watches in our collection and rotate watches with frequency. Which lends itself to...
#7: You don't have to worry about whether the time is between 9 pm and 3am when setting the date so you don't shear the gears
I’ve seen quite a few watches with what I consider badly positioned date windows or miss matched date wheel background colours. I don’t ever recall seeing a no date watch and thinking it needs a date complication.
Nice video, sir! I used to love complicated watches but the more I get into the hobby, the more I appreciate and find myself going to simpler (but exceptionally executed) three-handers.
As they say, "less is more", or "simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" :).
I mean... you deserve much much more recognition for this quality content. Keep up the good work please, you’re one of my favorite watch-related channel on TH-cam
Completely agree with your sentiments. In a hobby where complication is frequently associated with higher quality and increased utility, there’s something deeply satisfying about a beautifully made, simple hours and minutes only piece. I’ve been looking for such a watch (with a pure white dial and black Roman numerals) for some time. Having balked at handing over many, many thousands of pounds to Patek or Vacheron I was about to pull the trigger on a Girard Perregaux Classique Elegance Ultra-thin. However, I spotted a vintage manual wind Garrard on line in superb condition with the identical aesthetic for a fraction of the cost, so bought that instead. Sometimes less is more!
And they are the easiest to set when taken out of the watch box!!
Love your channel. It grew up on me video after video. Now, it’s among the top three watch channels for me.
I respect your opinion & with that said I only buy & wear watches with a date. I tried, but never wore my Daytona because it does not have a date. Based on that, I have never not gone with a speedmaster I want. Buy & wear what you like.
The problem is I love no date watches, I love date watches, I love day/date watches , I love calendar watches, I love hand wind watches, I love automatic watches, I love quartz watches..............my names Al and I'm a watch addict.
Me: clapping and nodding with understanding. Hi Al welcome to the meeting. 👏
Very happy to have found this video. I agree with this 100%
You are just speaking from my heart. Everything you said, I think the same, practically and emotionally too. ❤
I purchased a no-date Rolex Sub over the Christmas period and I absolutely love that watch. It’s super cool.
That's exactly what I want. I hope I can swing one before this Christmas. Until then, I'll have to just envy you.
Congrats on a get purchase Max. That is the best rolex sub in my opinion
Henry West thank you Henry and the best bit was I picked it up in Duty Free which made it even better purchase.
Watch & Unwind Thank you and I have a few different Rolex watches including the Panda Daytona ceramic and sky-dweller steel with blue dial but I prefer the no-date submarine and wear it all the time.
A big reason for me would be easier setting (no need to differentiate between am and pm)
It's the sole reason why my next 3 watches will have no date
I lot of what determines whether I want a date on a watch is what sort of watch it is. I don't like dates on dive watches, chronographs and field watches, but I like dates on office (Rolex Datejust, GS Snowflake, Omega Globemaster etc) and GMT travel watches.
I can’t use a watch non-date frankly speaking. I need day/date complication for my regular day. Great vid by the way. Ty!
I agree that a no date Watch keeps you in the moment more than one with a date complication.
Thinking about clocks 🕰 in general, they tend not to have date complications and allow the observer to take in the required information without any distraction.
As far as Watches go, there is nothing more convenient than a wind and wear no date piece. Clearly presented and uncluttered.
However, there is a place for all complications in this wonderful horological world and the date isn’t the most bewildering of them all. Some find it a necessity.
Of course it all boils down to personal preference but, thought provoking videos like this help us with our decisions. Great work yet again IDGuy! ✊
Beauty in simplicity. Cheers
A watch's singular purpose - tell time. That's all I desire.
It’s funny because when signing a document or anything that needs assured of the date, I have to double-check with my phone anyways. So why do I need it on my watch if I don’t fully trust it?
I agree with you; this is one of the big reasons why the Rolex Explorer is such a wonderful watch. And if you don't know what day it is, you have bigger things to worry about than the time.
Another great video IDGuy. I have to agree with you that every collector should have a simple 3hand no date watch in their collection. I love my 39mm Rolex 214270 Explorer Mk1. It’s simplicity and it’s versatility make it almost the perfect watch IMHO.
Beautiful and Simple! I have several no complication Watches totally enjoy! Problem I actually love them all!
I’m trying to keep an open mind and allow myself to reconsider my opinions. I still come away with no desire for a no date. But now I know with others with a no date are thinking
Love the theory - "just let yourself enjoy the moment" - until I stumble through the memory brambles "what day is today??"
great video. I have been wanting to ad a no date watch into my collection for # 3. It looks cleaner and simpler. Think I may pick up a no date laco fleiger in blue
What an amazing slideshow of beautiful no date timepieces. Well done.
I agree with every point you made. I appreciate the symmetry and visual simplicity of a no date watch. Minimalism is zen.
I think u are absolutely right on about the date function on a watch being added excess, brilliant logic
Thank you for Stating the facts .So many Watches have a date window. I will now start looking at watches with no date window. Thank You !
I'd also love to have a watch without a seconds hand. There would be such calm on a watch with only an hours and a minutes hand. The only nice watch I'm aware of doing this is the Audemars Piguet 15202.
@@toma9955 true. And it just occurred to me that Cartier makes some as well.
Go hardcore and buy a Meistersinger! You only really need the hour hand.
I have the Max Renè watch from Bering. Very simplistic and minimalist with only 2 hands which fits into this category.
I agree, I prefer non-date watches too. Unless they’re a full blown annual or perpetual calendar (genuinely useful complications) a date window on a watch, is a bit like a pimple on a face to me.
Simplicity...that’s my only reason for the no-date watch...cheers👍👍👍
You read my mind. 1000% agree, a no date watch is a proper watch. Clean all the way anything else is clutter, usually expensive clutter!
Great view on the subject. Congrats
No date, diver, pilot or racer watches. How many people who actually own these watches are deep sea divers or pilots or even race car drivers? Nowadays mostly everyone owns a smartphone. So basically a watch on the wrist is more of an accessory or jewellery. In my opinion Oyster Perpetual 39 is the best everyday watch. And if you are feeling adventurous buy the best Mudmaster. ))
Could not agree more.
A Beautiful clean red sunburst dial with the deep lume filled silver-lined pockets glinting in the bright sunlight, I have found the simplicity of the Gin Clear diver with no complications to draw the eye of passers-by.
Much easier to adjust time. The reality is that we all do have more than one watch. I actually do not know anyone who would wear the same watch for more than two days. Also I rarely need to use it
Very nicely done 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Enjoying the symmetry on my ND Rolex SubC 114060 while watching this video❤️👌
I agree. I prefer "no date" watches, but it's hard to find them
Everything you say is so right. I couldn’t agree more. But I would like to argue that the second hand is just as much an unnecessary complication. The hour and minute hands are by definition what a watch are about, to tel the time. The second hand however is a device which distractingly moves along all the time and thereby instantly attracts one’s attention and pulls it away from the important thing, to register the time! It would be wonderful if you could make a presentation of watches with only hour and minutes hands. At first they might look sparse and bare, but If made properly they are so classy, calming and also perfect devices to read the time with, with just a shortest glance. In such a presentation it would be fantastic if you could have a look at the plain a simple 38 mm Piaget Altiplano (reference GOA29112 in white gold, and GOA31114 in rose gold) It’s design is for me close to perfection, so classy so easy to read! I just wish Piaget would make the hours hand slightly shorter and the minutes hand slightly longer to differentiate them more.
Thanks for this wonderful channel and it’s information on design and it’s relevance to watches.
Also with a no-date you don't have to adjust the date 5 times a year, assuming you don't have an annual or perpetual calendar. I find the last point extremely interesting - how a watch tells the time alters how you perceive time. e.g. a quartz or deadbeat movement is precise but reminds me of dripping water which I find slightly foreboding, or a rotary monthly calendar (e.g. Skydweller or Globemaster) I find quite melancholy as it reminds me of the passing of time
Nice video mate
i made this point on the other video, but for me, the date complication frees me from my cellphone. which is one of the main reasons I wear a watch. to escape being constantly connected to the internet.
i pretty much only like date complications that are clearly part of the initial design. the omega globemaster for example.
An interesting point of view and I see it, but I feel the same of second hands being located offset. To be honest other than showing me my watch is running, second hands are also distracting. Especially if they are not stacked with the hour/minute hands, at least in my opinion. I am loving the content, thanks!
If you are referring to the seconds hand being on a subdial, there is a reason why most vintage watches have this and that is because of the simpler construction. There is a really interesting article about this on time zone "The pursuit of center seconds". I do agree though, that based on some of these arguments, we should get rid of the seconds hand. Ming does it and functionally, it works just fine.
Another excellent video. Thanks. Also, just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy your channel.
brilliant piece of work ID guy.
When I was young, I used to prefer a watch with many complications as possible but now as I get older, simpler the better.
After purchasing my first no date watch, I come to really love it and prefer this watch.
I use the chrono hand on my speedmaster as a date indicator- every day when I wind it I move the chrono hand one second forward to the date it correlates to. Has the added benefit of keeping the logo in view too 😁 “the fat sam method”
I use my watch to check the date more than I check the time. It’s a must for me, or else I’d have already purchased a reverso!
Totally agree with your synopsis. The date is an afterthought.....
I always prefer a no date, there's a purity and a simplicity to them and never any issue with asymmetry.
and how is 12 being symmetrical with 6? Or the left side with the right side, as 3 and 9 are different from each other and the crown is only on the right side?
how about a watch with no time? keeps you even more in the moment.
Unique video. The only watch I would consider without a date is the Rolex Dayjust... if they made one.
Agree to disagree 😆
I can certainly see where the appeal comes from, but still. It would have to be a really exquisite watch for me to let go of the fact that it has no date. And even then it will probably not be a daily watch.
With all the smart phones and screens displaying the date all the time, my first reaction for finding out the date is always my watch. I make a reminder on the 30th of every month to make sure I advance the date when needed.
For me the ultimate 1 watch collection is an automatic perpetual calendar. So there's that...
Always enjoy your videos your the best , Hope your doing well and staying safe ! 👍
This makes sense im new to creating a 4 watch collection and i never thought of this i passed up a cool watch because it didnt have one 😅
I agree with all your points but the fact of the matter is that when I wear my no date rolex I miss the date of my hamilton.
In real terms then do we need a second hand?
yes, to tell if the watch is working
Yes, i'am also not a lover of dated watches however so many have them you end up making compromises, never liked the idea of messing around or trying to remember at the end of the month to set the watch. Just goes to show that after all this time a annual or perpetual calander must cost a lot to produce because more affordable watches don't have them. One reason why I ended up purchasing two Tudor BB.
Yes, I completely agree, the simpler, the better. I have a no-date Rolex Submariner purchased new in April 2003 that I’ve been wearing daily since then. It keeps perfect time and has yet to be serviced. Since then, I have also purchased a new Rolex Hulk in December 2019. Both are beautiful watches and masterpieces in their own right, but the clean, simple,elegant design of the no-date Submariner is a design that will endure forever.
oooh... at least! With some VERY rare exceptions I cannot stand watches with date complication. Almost all of them are much better without date. Clean, symmetric, without a "frame on a hole", without a different plane and color for the date wheel... SO MUCH better.
Of course you, and we are entitled to our personal needs and opinions.
Case well stated
reason 6 - the date is always wrong unless you’re constantly winding it
Especially on big Navis. Those little date complication are ridiculous.
Well said!
I agree, my Nomos Ahoi and Hamilton Murph and Stowa's do not have a date. I think it improves the symmetry of many watches. Besides if I do need to see what date, it's all over the place from my car to my phones etal.
I agree, date watches give me anxiety that kept me from using watches in general. Once I no longer thought of a date as necessary on watch, I became open to using a watch again and seeing them as an aid rather than a boss telling me how little time I have. Sounds dumb but it really has improved my whole life. I feel like I have more control of how I spend my time, instead of just avoiding it in general.
Aesthetically yes, no date watches often surpass their date equipped brethren. I own a Breitling 40 Chronometer Premier and find this dial extremely well designed, at least to my taste.
But watches are also instruments, which are helpful in a range of situations, from the office to the cockpit. My job involves planning and scheduling all day long. When my watch cannot tell me the date, I feel like Apollo 13 crew without a chronograph.
We’ll put. the “watch community” has forgotten that watches are tools in the first place, and not just jewelry with pedigree to nurture their fragile egos. Not to mention that in todays world the date is actually more crucial than the time, imo. We have clocks on the stove, the dashboard, our phones and laptops, etc, but we are not constantly bombarded with the date in a comparable way. That’s why it’s so crucial for so many to have a date window on their watch.
@@gilbert4394 u dont use a smartphone?
My Explorer is the only no date watch I own. I love the simple symmetry but occasionally I look for the date out of habit and realize it’s not there!! I wish watch makers would put the date and power reserve complications on the back of the watch!! Best regards
My only watch without a date is my Breitling navitimer reissue 1959 and thank goodness it has so much going on in the dial without cramming a date window in there. But the really great thing is being a manual wind, when it stops I just wind it reset the time throw it on my wrist and go. No date to mess with.
I am totally "no date". My 4 Nomos, 3 Stowas, 2 Glycine are all no date, the other watches in my colletion have good integrated and not disturbing date-design (e.g. Sinn) so that I can live with it. Hate cyclops (Rolex), big dates (Lange, Glashütte), and framed date windows (Longines etc.). Even worse is a white background of the date on a black dial - or the other way round.
I respect your opinion partner but with that criteria your watch selection may be rather small. And BTW you just showed a little hate for some mighty fine time pieces.
Agree 1000% on the unimaginative blight of a white date background - too generic slapped on without any effort at synching with the dial color
Yes! A purist.
Nice video mate.
True, I have 2 Date watches: Datejust and Explorer 2 and 2 No Date ones: Omega Speedy and Tudor BB
I have a Junghans Max Bill no-date. To me, putting a date complication or even a chronograph like they did with the Chronoscope completely misses the point of the Max Bill.
I have about six automatic watches, all with dates, some with days too. It puts me off putting them on as I know I'll have to set the date and/or day so I end up wearing my wind-up with no day or date all the time!
It all depends on how they incorporate the date into the design. There are watches where the date window is part of the design and doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb which is why I can’t stand cyclops over the date. It makes you focus on the date and takes away from the design.
It also depends on the environment you are wearing the watch. If it’s a field watch and you only wear it during outdoor activities, I can see where a day/date complication isn’t needed. However, if you are wearing a watch to the office or, as an everyday wear piece, the date function is very useful. But again, it’s all how it’s incorporated into the design.
VC overseas Chrono gen 2 is one of the exceptions to the rule. The big date windows are sexy. My daily has to have a date. So either the SD43 or the VC is my daily driver.
I've never owned a watch that didn't have at least a date complication. However, in this video you make a compelling statement for the perfections of a bit more simplicity. All for the sake of much that is neglected in design and function.
Hey man make a video about the best time only watches under 2000
No date all day !
I think it's the ever-present and never-ending debate of art vs. function. And it's a great debate because you can really make a case for both. That's why for me, it's better to keep things well designated within a category. When you try and blur the lines too much (i.e. one watch for any occasion) you end up with something that maybe does a bunch of things marginally well, but does nothing great; it also kills the spirit of making something purely for one intention. With that said, I do believe dress watches should not have dates because you are wearing it more as an accessory and an art piece rather than a tool to be used strictly for time telling, although obviously it can do that. I also think your reason #5 speaks to this as well, since you are wearing a dress watch for a special occasion and you should be in the moment during that time. This is why you see dress watches without minute tracks or maybe even indices at all (like museum dials), because it's really not about telling the time, but simply admiring the beautiful thing on your wrist. The Blancpain Métiers d'Art collection is a perfect example of this.
Anyone know which watch is the one shown at 4:12 ? It's beautiful
When you say that the date complicates and makes you study the dial to read the time and removing it makes the time visible at a glance easier, doesn't that also make it more Tooly in design/philosophy in a different way than having the date as well because it Kisi becomes an instrument that tells you the time and nothing else by removing all other noise/nonsense?
I am lucky enough to own a few no date watches,which to me is a pleasure multiplier.A recent purchase was the Perpetual SC03 a real tour de force of symmetry and a very classical appearance.If i had one dislike of this watch it would be it's size.At forty millimeters it looks great where as at thirty eight millimeters it would be perfection.......
I can never remember the date so need it. That said I do have a couple of no date watches that I love. I do like the aesthetic of plain dials too but it always seems to me strange how some watches are talked up because they are no date but are instead plastered with horrible text. Looking at you Rolex!
I agree.
I always prefer date complication, well integrated of course.
Very smart
No date non ceramic Rolex Submariner what a watch
I had a big fight with my watch master when I took my Seiko Fifty Five Fathoms and told him to change the dial with a Dagaz one, which had no hole for the day/date complication. He simply couldn't understand why I would give up such "important info". After he changed it, he looked at it and said "Mmm, yeaah, doesn't look that bad" :)
I don't need a reason a reason for owning a no-date, they are more beautiful 😊👍