Dyalight... the most beautiful American steam loco ever built with an amazing design and color. Fantastic shot at 3:02 with the snow covered mountains in the background! Thumbs up! Alexander
After the Cantera Loop spill, they brought the 4449 down to Redding to do a couple of daytime excursions from Redding to Mt. Shasta and back. My dad and I got to ride the second trip (on Saturday). I ran off 5 rolls of film on a 35mm camera, and my dad got two hours of videotape (which my mother and sister recorded the winter Olympics mens' ice skating over. I still haven't forgiven them for that). At least I still have the photos.
I wish that were the case, but the tracks on "4449 Pinnacle" were recorded in Oregon. I shot this in the vicinity of Live Oak, CA. That's Highway 99, off to the right. All the locations are in the description, as they are in all my videos. FYI, the actual name of the siding is Hito, not Hilo. Both locations are just south of Aurora, OR. Even Brad Miller got it wrong in his liner notes once or twice. On this trip I led a caravan of locals to the Cantera Loop. Imagine a guy from New York who had never been there, showing a group of native Californians to a place in their own back yard. DeLorme Atlases were the way to go back then. (Pre GPS days)
@SuperMario6419 They weren't pulling, they were holding the train back with their dynamic brakes. They were added at Black Butte and I think they came off at Lakehead. Anyway they were off the train before Bridge Bay. The line descends the Sacramento River canyon on a 2.2% ruling grade.
A shame she can't go out much anymore, thanks to that boneheaded decision by Amtrak. It sure would be nice to also know what happened to many of her daylight coaches, and if they still have any that could be upgraded.
I was traveling through these mountains recently and for most of the route you can see the tracks along which she traveled for this trip. That must have been quite a chase!
I lived along SP's mainline, for 6 years and watch 4449 make this trip literally from my front porch. Great footage and great presentation of a truly great locomotive
That's exactly what steam excursion trains should look like, no diesel locomotives, no inconsistency look and no mixing cars, just a matching set of cars from locomotive and tender to observation car
The helper is to help with insurance costs. It is far more expensive to run a steam locomotive on its own, then it is to pair it up with a helper. The helper is also provided in case 4449 should ever break down and be unable to pull the train, or need help with breaking. As for the loss of the daylight cars, it is likely that they could not be maintained to meet the standards that came with the SP's purhcase by UP, and the increasing insurance costs of the early 2000's.
Actually helpers are usually there to provide power to the train, and are left on idle most of the time. Steam locomotives didn't have generators to provide power to the train, neither did most early diesels, that's why there were purpose-built passenger units like the E8 and FP7, whose main difference from F units and GPs was their steam generators. This wasn't a problem in the 50s because trains were so frequent and fast, and in the 90s most excursion consists had "Power cars" with built in generators, but as insurance becomes more expensive, and the equipment gets older and needs more upkeep, they start adding diesels just in case, I wish they didn't need to, but they do. As for the cars, they were probably mostly private cars on lease, and have either been returned, or have since been repainted to represent a different railroad.
Southern Pacific 4449 is the locomotive, but Daylight is the paint scheme and the main purpose of the Golden State locomotives. When she is in the daylight colours, pulling a full set of daylight painted equipment, it's not entirely inaccurate to call her "Daylight"
What ever happened to 4449's set of daylight cars anyway? I know they still have three daylight cars plus the water tender, but where did the rest of the train go? I assume a few of them were privately owned and have since gone back into private collections, and a few others were probably repainted and have been returned to their original schemes, but it seems odd to me that an entire consist of uniform-painted equipment can just disappear, I mean how weird would it be if suddenly some day UP 844 only had three cars plus her water tenders painted in the yellow excursion scheme?
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Dyalight... the most beautiful American steam loco ever built with an amazing design and color. Fantastic shot at 3:02 with the snow covered mountains in the background! Thumbs up!
Alexander
After the Cantera Loop spill, they brought the 4449 down to Redding to do a couple of daytime excursions from Redding to Mt. Shasta and back. My dad and I got to ride the second trip (on Saturday). I ran off 5 rolls of film on a 35mm camera, and my dad got two hours of videotape (which my mother and sister recorded the winter Olympics mens' ice skating over. I still haven't forgiven them for that). At least I still have the photos.
Girl: hey can you come over
Guy: can't I'm taking the coastal daylight
Her: but my parents aren't home
Him: 8:01
I saw her on the way to railfair 99. blew my mind..
8:06 I think Brad Miller was on board recording 4449 at that time. The segments are called “Hilo Siding” and “Hubbard.”
I wish that were the case, but the tracks on "4449 Pinnacle" were recorded in Oregon. I shot this in the vicinity of Live Oak, CA. That's Highway 99, off to the right. All the locations are in the description, as they are in all my videos. FYI, the actual name of the siding is Hito, not Hilo. Both locations are just south of Aurora, OR. Even Brad Miller got it wrong in his liner notes once or twice. On this trip I led a caravan of locals to the Cantera Loop. Imagine a guy from New York who had never been there, showing a group of native Californians to a place in their own back yard. DeLorme Atlases were the way to go back then. (Pre GPS days)
@SuperMario6419 They weren't pulling, they were holding the train back with their dynamic brakes. They were added at Black Butte and I think they came off at Lakehead. Anyway they were off the train before Bridge Bay. The line descends the Sacramento River canyon on a 2.2% ruling grade.
A shame she can't go out much anymore, thanks to that boneheaded decision by Amtrak. It sure would be nice to also know what happened to many of her daylight coaches, and if they still have any that could be upgraded.
I LOVE SP 4449! I also own a Model of it!
I was traveling through these mountains recently and for most of the route you can see the tracks along which she traveled for this trip. That must have been quite a chase!
I lived along SP's mainline, for 6 years and watch 4449 make this trip literally from my front porch. Great footage and great presentation of a truly great locomotive
the diesels were also put on at Oakridge, Oregon
That's exactly what steam excursion trains should look like, no diesel locomotives, no inconsistency look and no mixing cars, just a matching set of cars from locomotive and tender to observation car
I got to ride with her for the Fall Color Excursion in MN, 3 year old childhood dream come true? Check.
5:20 - That air horn is AWESOME
Kinda Sounds like the gta 5 train horn
A shame we don't see a consist like this more often. Where the locomotive and coaches all match like in the golden age.
8:27 sick
@imagreatbigman They were doing a photo runby at Andesite.
8:26 I use that whistle as my personal wake-up alarm.
nobody cares
How come in the 90's she hauled 11 daylight cars with no helper. Now she always has a helper :( and is hauling random cars that aren't even SP.
The helper is to help with insurance costs. It is far more expensive to run a steam locomotive on its own, then it is to pair it up with a helper. The helper is also provided in case 4449 should ever break down and be unable to pull the train, or need help with breaking.
As for the loss of the daylight cars, it is likely that they could not be maintained to meet the standards that came with the SP's purhcase by UP, and the increasing insurance costs of the early 2000's.
Actually helpers are usually there to provide power to the train, and are left on idle most of the time.
Steam locomotives didn't have generators to provide power to the train, neither did most early diesels, that's why there were purpose-built passenger units like the E8 and FP7, whose main difference from F units and GPs was their steam generators.
This wasn't a problem in the 50s because trains were so frequent and fast, and in the 90s most excursion consists had "Power cars" with built in generators, but as insurance becomes more expensive, and the equipment gets older and needs more upkeep, they start adding diesels just in case, I wish they didn't need to, but they do.
As for the cars, they were probably mostly private cars on lease, and have either been returned, or have since been repainted to represent a different railroad.
This was in 1991, right?
Yep, 4-28-91. It's right there in the title.
+yankinga Nice. The Daylight Express and the two diesels are filmed in SKYFIRE's Daylight Express VHS.
Stan marsh as sp 4449
3:02 8:01 8:06 8:25
Very vert great stereo separation on this video's audio.
Whats the camera model you used for this video?
It's called Southern Pacific 4449 not daylight
Southern Pacific 4449 is the locomotive, but Daylight is the paint scheme and the main purpose of the Golden State locomotives.
When she is in the daylight colours, pulling a full set of daylight painted equipment, it's not entirely inaccurate to call her "Daylight"
Sp 4449 going to railfair 91
What ever happened to 4449's set of daylight cars anyway?
I know they still have three daylight cars plus the water tender, but where did the rest of the train go?
I assume a few of them were privately owned and have since gone back into private collections, and a few others were probably repainted and have been returned to their original schemes, but it seems odd to me that an entire consist of uniform-painted equipment can just disappear, I mean how weird would it be if suddenly some day UP 844 only had three cars plus her water tenders painted in the yellow excursion scheme?
Well...couldn't happen UP owns them all.
Sp 4449 the daylight