I found the article that states Misha met Meghan in May. If you google Meghan Markles UK connections before meeting Harry (Daily Mail). The body of the article states it was at Basel but under one of the photos it says Misha met Meghan in May 2014
Thanks I read it and then lost it! And a million searches later it wouldn’t re-appear! Glad I’m not going mad. It is conceivable she was there for that dinner as a few guys were with their wives.
@@thevintageread I would've never caught it if you didn't mention they might have met in May. It's so strange how one article describes two different timelines. The photo in the Miami club also resembles Markle. It's definitely a super juicy finding
@@rachmunshine9474 (copied and pasted from my original post) I also found a photo of this misterious woman from 2014. Article from NYdailyNews titled Prince Harry chats up mistery brunette inside Miami nightclub. Can't see her face but she was hanging on him Markle style
This all makes perfect sense. I've always thought the their plan to live in America and do the half im half out thing was a long time in the planning - long before they even got married. I think that when they went to the Queen with their plan, in their minds it was a fait accompli and they would have the choice bits of their royal life and their American life. When the Queen gave them a resounding "No" I don't think they could believe it and I really believe that is what has made them the nasty, vengeful people they have become. I don't think anyone had ever said no to either of them before.
I agree with you but I think that M & H were already vengeful, selfish people and when M doesn't get her way she throws a tantrum and gets revenge. Harry too.
I couldn't agree more. I have always thought they figured they were just going to waltz in and tell the Queen how they were going to do things and it never, ever crossed their weak, little minds that things wouldn't go their way. When it didn't all hell broke loose. Meme begin Meme was now out to ruin the Royal Family because how dare they not give her what she wanted. Hasbeen is no better. What I can't comes to grips with is how stupid they both are. No matter how many times they make the same mistakes they never learn from them.
I can well believe it. The changing story of how they met is similar to the mystery surrounding the birth of her children. She tried to blame Mishal Husain, a top BBC Journo, for the engagement interview being so false, but Mishal refuted Meghan's lies. If Harry did drop Cressida for Meghan, more fool him. I agree Cressida is not only beautiful but very talented. I saw her in the White Farm TV dramatisation of a notorious family murder in Essex, where she played the sister, and her performance was so poignant and moving. She would've made a beautiful addition to the Royal Family but she didn't deserve Harry's shenanigans.
@@777LuckyLucy my thoughts on this are, MM refused to sign a pre-nup, but finally conceded to sign something at the church on day of wedding, before ceremony could take place. I think this was her ‘up yours’ to the RF, stating what you made me sign is invalid, cause we were already married. Just a MM porky aimed at Royal family, I think the Queen in particular.
Just an observation on the Invictus games - it was not Henry's idea. Our late Queen Elizabeth II asked Edward Lane Fox to set something up for Henry to do to keep him occupied. It was all set up and handed to him, speeches and all.
Of course! After the naked snooker in Vegas, 'excuse' to shipping out to Afghanistan (asif he may never survive.. Surrounded by Gurkas. Eye Roll.) Swept under the carpet was his insane telling journo.. This war just like video game!. People were appalled - THAT was the last straw & he had to go home!. Also, their was an attack of somesort on base.. 2 americans lost lives. I am hazy on facts - but it was not :a you know what to get H.. Spmething to do with fence breached well, well away from his ring of steel. Whatever.! It was DONE. Nomore 'tours of duty' for the hero, Fully qualified Apache Pilot. ;)
I could talk for hours about this Megan woman, but all I'll say is, most men have no idea how conniving some women can be. some only find out when their hearts are broken or their bank accounts are emptied by the person they thought loved them, some never realize it. Women know what women are capable of, even if some don't want to admit it.
As a strategy, Diana, Princess of Wales, used “confuse the palace, keep them off balance,” and Harry is right when he claims, “I have a lot of my mother in me.” Maybe our best response to the “keep them guessing” modus operandi is to yawn, ignore the Sussexes, and turn to other interesting stories that are more believable--on the other hand, this is a thoroughly enjoyable and thoughtful vlog.
Nah, they’ve fudged the timeline because she was living with someone who thought he was in an exclusive relationship with her. It’s not a good look that she was carrying on a secret affair. I’d take bets on them sneaking around for quite a while before their so-called “blind date” (details of which have changed repeatedly)
I agree, Marcus hooked them up in SoHo Toronto way before 2014, imo she was his escort first and I probably why she sent her wedding ring in the mail in 2013, then she finally got him to dump Cressida since she dumped her husband, they had to take it slow so it didn't look bad and she could start beefing up her resume so when Harry brought her to the Queen she would look legitimate.
Even though he said otherwise both of these classy ladies dumped him saw him for what he was as we are all seeing now those ladies had lucky escapes in my opinion and both are too classy to kiss and tell and don't need the money they come from wealthy families so he ended up with what he deserved a Gold Digger who will kiss and tell if the price is right
I bet they think they dodged a bullet with Harry. Dude sounds like a nightmare to deal with. He definitely met his match with Meghan who sounds like an even bigger nightmare.
Both Chelsea and Cressida are good friends with Eugenie, and Cressida’s husband has ties with William. I don’t think they’ll blab anytime soon (sadly)!
Possibly, but the most documented is that they met at Soho House opening in Istanbul, April 25, 2015. Palace records put Harry there, and photos place MM there. Rumors are that Harry wasn't interested, brushed her off, not his type, not young, not blonde. As for Toronto. Corey, chef to Celebrities was in no need of Meghan, quite the reverse. You have to understand, no one knew who she was, the show was on cable by subscription, not mainstream media.
What to believe with these two! I read he got very drunk in Istanbul and ended up sobbing on her pillow about his poor self and his life as a wastral living in palaces.
absolutely agree - Corey was successful - a talented and nice guy. Meghan was unknown even here in Toronto (except within her pretentious little circle). am sure Corey considers himself lucky now with a lovely wife and child.
"My firm organized my transportation, so you have to make your own way." Typical red flag of someone who doesn't want you to show up. And coming from a spoilt Prince who would probably provide a private jet for his crass lover to go to Whole Foods across the street. ✈ Glad Cressida read the room and dodged a bullet. 🔫
Oh Shauna your side note lean in over your desk about Cressida being genuinely talented, nice person, unique, qualities. Do you realise everything you’ve credited Cressida for is exactly what MM would love to be. Oh the irony ! Love that she’s happily living her life and is very happy. Thanks Shauna. 💕
If that is true, what a downgrade for Harry! Cressida is effortlessly beautiful and classy, a very talented actor and an incredibly intelligent and sophisticated lady. Basically all the things Megz keeps pretending to be. 😂
I have to say your intuitive approach to this makes a lot more sense than all the deepest conspiracy theories that I have come across recently. I have to say it makes perfect sense! Love your gentle, sensible conclusions/opinions ❤
Fascinating, Shauna! I've heard many anecdotes from folks who insist MM stalked H for those ~2 years... This alternative theory would explain those and other "coincidences" that supposedly brought them together. I'll be mulling this one over! Thank you very much for the video. 😊
Definitely the whole 'humanitarian' charade. All of the sudden within 2 years she's in Rwanda, speaking at One World Vision and wants to be an Ambassador at the UN. She had to jump into these things and was begging her agents, everyone to catapult her into that sphere, because Harry would then be interested in her. I really hope that a book comes out one day that reveals her machinations. Tom Bower said about his book: 'You should have seen what I couldn't print'.
In my experience when those moments where pieces fall together should not be brushed off. Because more often than not they have merit and what your intuition is saying sounds very valid to me. For me this rings true because I just thought they moved from meeting to married very quickly.
That's very common when there's a narcissist involved. They aren't patient and they need to get the mark locked in quick, because keeping up the facade of being a nice, fun person takes energy.
They have lied so many times even about the most inconsequential things that to believe they have not actually lied about when and how they met would be a fail.
What a jerk treating her that way. Well, we know about karma. He's getting it in spades with the "tanned brunette." The Invictus Toronto connection is no coincidence!
I read the article and he was with A group of 13 friends all male and one brunette female. They had dinner and went to skybox nightclub afterwards which means she hung out with a bunch of guys drinking to the wee hours of the morning. He was photographed leaving SoHo Miami on May 1st 2014 a day after he broke up with Cressida which means they met even before may of 2014. Why would he break up with Cressida if he hadn't even met Markle yet? I think Meghan met him in 2013, hence her divorce.
😳Once again, your spidey senses & putting together the jigsaw puzzle pieces are revealing the real picture - not the 'picture on the lid' we have been sold. Brilliant. Once you laid that out, you cannot unsee that he dumped Cressida for Meghan, who quickly sculpted her "Humanitarian" resume & Diana 2.0 pictures. 😱
I've always thought they met earlier - they were in the same place in 2015 (Istanbul - Soho House) MM was photographed with Eddie Redmayne, who is a good friend of Harry and William. Harry was there with Charles at the time.
Harry, & the York girls there.. How long. Only certainty he attented the Gallapoli remembrance service with Charles. Free time who knows? I have suspicions about the extact TIMES she was in Croatia. H partied hard there... Some nonsense about investment equity club??
Oh Shauna, I thoroughly enjoyed this segment. Not so much because of anything particularly salacious-but because you are right-as a lot of people have felt similarly to you that Harry and Meghan likely met far earlier than what had been previously reported. However in my view, it really does harken back to just how nauseatingly deceptive and deceitful the pair have since proven themselves to be of late. But what I really came to appreciate most of all-is the unique commentary and perspective in which you continue to provide. For example, you come with armed with a wonderful presentation-one that is both fair minded and essentially rooted in academia-with regards to royal biographies and such) and not from the same old deductions that most other Royal gossip channels base the bulk of their their content on. You also present a good amount of facts and are very disarming as you thoughtfully discuss the probability of things. I also find your sincere way of putting things into focus and perspective ideally so much more relatable, tangible and plausible versus everything else which always comes off as so seemingly dark and sinister. I think at this point-each and every single one of us could really benefit from a little clarity and perspective. As how one feels about the Royals in general these days is a very polarizing subject. While I think we can all agree that we initially had wished that Harry had settled down with either Cressida Bonas or Chelsy Davy…I have a feeling nonetheless that in no time at all both of these young women would have been completely miserable. And that ultimately what eventually transpired between Charles and Diana would have similarly played out even more disturbingly in front of the entire world. In all truthfulness, both Cressida and Chelsy dodged a major bullet. As did most other young women all over the world-as no young woman in her right mind should ever have had to secretly endure what those two young women and even poor Sasha Walpole were put through. So in retrospect, I for one am incredibly thankful that Sasha, Chelsy and Cressida were all able to safely move past Harry and find the love and men that they all truly deserved. And regardless of what else continues to glaringly come to light about both Harry and Meghan-the sad truth is that Meghan is forever tethered to Harry and that no one really is the least bit envious of her for being married to him either.
No one is envious of Harry for marrying thrice divorced liar, Rachel Megan Raglan Markle. If Henry had married any of his exs, it wouldn't have been like his parents saga at all. His and his parents situation are totally so so different. Rachel is an older been around the block woman and used the oldest tricks on Henry to snatch Henry from Cressida without anyone knowing. She and her friend, owner of Soho house planned the hook up to Henry, while he met the other girls by himself and not at call houses.
@@dupelawal-ijaiya4020 While I completely understand what you are saying, I would like to clarify a few things. First, no woman in her right mind would be or is at all envious of Meghan-period. Secondly, there is factual evidence and proof of Harry's own narcissism-which undoubtedly stems from his ongoing drug use. Which again was more than apparent throughout much of Heart of Invictus. Furthermore, you cannot make such an assumption about Harry and his exes without first acknowledging the indisputable fact that he did not treat Sasha Walpole kindly when it came to light that she was the much older woman from Spare. There were also a number of incredibly insensitive and cruel things that he did to his exes including Chelsy Davy. This is also on top of what Shauna has already pointed out in his relationship with Cressida Bonas. It is also really not fair of any one of us to fully criticize Meghan-without first giving just criticism where criticism is actually due-and that of course lies squarely with Harry. After all he is the one who made it his mission in life to purposely prevent everyone in his immediate family from learning the full truth about Meghan for more than two years. Jason Knauf even alluded to what Harry was doing to staffers to ensure that the Queen and others within the Family would continue to have no real knowledge of Meghan's actual past thus preventing most of them from being able to intervene much earlier. Which was also in direct conflict and violation of Royal protocol. In other words, Meghan could not have ascended or infiltrated the Monarchy like she did and with such ferocity as she did without Harry's direct personal involvement and knowledge. So his meeting Meghan much earlier than originally reported not only does make total sense but it also aligns perfectly with what transpired with the events leading up to Megxit also reveals the true depths of his depravity and abject cruelty. Make no mistake about it-the Queen was maligned because of Harry. He cared nothing at all about her or the royal protocol that had stood as a trustworthy guardrail for more than fifty years. Harry is also the one who incessantly criticizes the rest of the world for their refusal to pay fealty to Meghan. He knows nothing at all about forgiveness, empathy, compassion, mercy, understanding, etc. Furthermore, I think the real reason that he continues to use and abuse drugs this very day is because of his desire to suppress all of the guilt that he still feels for having not only lied to his family for God only knows how long in reality but for having betrayed them in order to prove to Meghan of his so-called love for her.
@@marensweet719 All these written above boil down to what Every one or most people including the mainstream media refused to report that she manipulated and blackmailed him into allowing all you have stated above even being a stubborn and spoil brat isn't streetwise to know all what Megan has used to control him. Goodnight pls.
This is definitely a fun little gossipy line of thought. I wonder if they met as you said and from thereon out had this secret salacious clandestine meet up once a year. And perhaps by Toronto Invictus, he/they decided they wanted to make a go of it 🤔
Ahh still had to ignore comments to listen to you as i cant do both at once 😂But I just noticed something - every time you leant forward to tell us something really interesting I leant towards you too, real heads together whisper secrets moments😂😂😂I wish you lived near Me and held weekly meetings.
Just adding after watching James Hewitt interview by Larry King (2003?) James admitted he and Diana actually met first time at BP (? 1990s?). They had 5 year affair after the children were born, BUT he said they met briefly before. Looking forward to this one!
I like inquiring minds ! And if he broke up with Cressida before going to the US, would it also mean that he already knew MM at the time and wanted to be free to be with her while in the US (maybe that was a condition MM imposed on seeing him further) ? And then, wouldn't it be a very twisted plot H&M had, of making themselves look like saints during the 2 years preceding the announcement (by way of media, of course) they were an item ? The plot thickens !
When you said "Invictus Games in Toronto" for me that was a huge ah-ha moment. But really, your whole video is sound to me - every point raised strongly supports this very original theory. Fantastic detective work as usual, thank you for sharing, it's super entertaining :))
There's a photo of Harry and this dark haired woman on-line. She is definitely not MM. Too tall and has a waist. In addition to that, Harry was with his mates in Miami and not possible that he met MM in May 2014 and Skippy and the others never breathed a word about that later. Also not plausible that MM chased Harry for two years and didn't breathe a word about it to anyone. She was chasing chef Cory from late 2013 or early 2014. Did hook up with Rory Mcilroy in August 2014, but she scurried back to Cory.
So interesting!!! I was always under the impression that she pushed Harry into announcing they were together very quickly, with the whole press intrusion. If your right it makes complete sense the hints on Instagram and the mad about Harry interview. He was taking to long! Funny there has always been something off with their story. If it's this image, all those conspiracy theories about why they are being shady all for this!!! How disappointing 😂. Great video as always! ❤
I agree, the "leave my girlfriend alone" makes a lot more sense if they met earlier (and she had emotional blackmail material, such as giving up her relationship w Corey for him).
Harry was in Turkey for the Gallipoli celebration, and Markle was there for the opening of Soho house at the same time that was In the April of 2015. Also didn't H date Ellie Goulding after Cressida?
Shauna, I think you might be thinking of the New York Times article published on 12 Sept 2019 titled “Misha Nonoo, Close Personal Friend of MM, Speaks”. The article notes that “Photos captured in Miami in 2014, sold through Getty Images, reveal that both women attended a nighttime beach party…”
Cressida is a very good actress and she also had a podcast “Fear Itself” for which she produced close to 40 podcasts )unlike a certain work-shy duchess).
The journalists that described her as tan was experiencing unconscious biased. And to say Cressida is a talented performer then they haven’t watched (suffered through) Suits. Because I have seen some reports of major films trying to snag them some MM. Oscar whispers have been heard. Now all this is alleged and in the deranged mind of Madam cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and her red headed assistant 😝
Hi Shauna, your research skills are second to none. With that in mind, could I kindly ask you to look into the stories about Meghan being caught taking pictures in the private family areas at Kensington Palace before she married Hasbeen? I've heard this story mentioned a few times now in the 3 or 4 days on other vloggers' channels. This included taking pictures of the Wales' children's bedrooms, especially Charlette's bedroom. It was said that if things didn't work out with Hasbeen she would sell the pictures at a later date. If true and Hasbeen knew about it how could he even consider marrying someone that would do such a thing.
I have looked into it! 😊 It may be true but I have only found stories online from unverified or anonymous sources… so I can’t help you I’m afraid, not with anything I can prove.
Hmm. But if he met her after dumping Cressida, why did he dump her? He must have known of or have been talking to Meghan before he ended things with Cressida, unless it’s just the biggest coincidence ever that he ends things with a long term girlfriend and then immediately meets Meghan days later. If it’s true that Meghan was the tanned brunette, then my spider senses would say that Harry already was talking to Meghan somehow before they met in person, and he was already interested in her… enough so that he would end things with Cressida. Otherwise the timeline doesn’t make sense to me… it would be too convenient to meet someone after becoming single again days earlier.
I read an article very shortly after Harry and Meghan started dating. And it said, that Harry had loved "Suits" (probably especially Season 2 Episode 16 😉) and told friends, that Rachel Zane aka Meghan Markle would be his perfect woman. But I can't find this article anymore. Thought it was Daily Mail. Will have another look. So that could be a good reason to dump Cressida, if he'd knew he'd meet Meghan in Miami. But on the other hand, the Brunette in the photos in Miami doesn't really look like Meghan.
Found the article: Daily Mail. Headline says "Prince Harry had a 'crush' on Meghan Markle's Suits character Rachel Zane for TWO YEARS before meeting her - and told a friend she was his ideal girl". So that seems to confirm that he knew of her as far back as 2014!
Yep she asked her PR to get her some high profile charity gigs which could possibly be the for runner to coming to London and telling people she was looking for a wealthy Englishman. Nothing is ever truthful with these two. Corys Mother is reported as disliking MM that woman had good instincts.
I've never bought the H&M 'meeting(s)' story...M has never managed to keep a straight story and we're seeing H now prove he's the same!! Good sleuthing Shauna 😎👏
I really enjoy your videos and your thoughts. Gone are the days of reliable reporting. Present day you can google anything. Quite obviously you researched beyond the point of their team of “deleters”. I appreciate your research skills and sources.
And you can google THAT photo of H at the Miami nightclub. Photo is by Alamy photos. Imo, it's not M... face and head shape is wrong.. also seems too tall.
I found the article that states Misha met Meghan in May. If you google Meghan Markles UK connections before meeting Harry (Daily Mail). The body of the article states it was at Basel but under one of the photos it says Misha met Meghan in May 2014
Thanks I read it and then lost it! And a million searches later it wouldn’t re-appear! Glad I’m not going mad. It is conceivable she was there for that dinner as a few guys were with their wives.
@@thevintageread I would've never caught it if you didn't mention they might have met in May. It's so strange how one article describes two different timelines. The photo in the Miami club also resembles Markle. It's definitely a super juicy finding
@@Gardenofgoodness there’s a photo?
@@rachmunshine9474 (copied and pasted from my original post) I also found a photo of this misterious woman from 2014. Article from NYdailyNews titled Prince Harry chats up mistery brunette inside Miami nightclub. Can't see her face but she was hanging on him Markle style
@@Gardenofgoodness If that's the two of them standing, whoever she is, she seems very familiar with him.🙂
This all makes perfect sense. I've always thought the their plan to live in America and do the half im half out thing was a long time in the planning - long before they even got married. I think that when they went to the Queen with their plan, in their minds it was a fait accompli and they would have the choice bits of their royal life and their American life. When the Queen gave them a resounding "No" I don't think they could believe it and I really believe that is what has made them the nasty, vengeful people they have become. I don't think anyone had ever said no to either of them before.
Absolutely, one wonders how it all would have panned out had they got their ‘deal’.
I 100%agree with you.they planned this on their date in Botswana... she told him they would make billions in USA
I can imagine the convo. Harry: Being a prince is much like a prison to me. Meghan: I can help you escape..
I agree with you but I think that M & H were already vengeful, selfish people and when M doesn't get her way she throws a tantrum and gets revenge. Harry too.
I couldn't agree more. I have always thought they figured they were just going to waltz in and tell the Queen how they were going to do things and it never, ever crossed their weak, little minds that things wouldn't go their way. When it didn't all hell broke loose. Meme begin Meme was now out to ruin the Royal Family because how dare they not give her what she wanted. Hasbeen is no better. What I can't comes to grips with is how stupid they both are. No matter how many times they make the same mistakes they never learn from them.
I can well believe it. The changing story of how they met is similar to the mystery surrounding the birth of her children. She tried to blame Mishal Husain, a top BBC Journo, for the engagement interview being so false, but Mishal refuted Meghan's lies. If Harry did drop Cressida for Meghan, more fool him. I agree Cressida is not only beautiful but very talented. I saw her in the White Farm TV dramatisation of a notorious family murder in Essex, where she played the sister, and her performance was so poignant and moving. She would've made a beautiful addition to the Royal Family but she didn't deserve Harry's shenanigans.
Yes she has a much better life!
@@777LuckyLucy my thoughts on this are, MM refused to sign a pre-nup, but finally conceded to sign something at the church on day of wedding, before ceremony could take place.
I think this was her ‘up yours’ to the RF, stating what you made me sign is invalid, cause we were already married.
Just a MM porky aimed at Royal family, I think the Queen in particular.
Just an observation on the Invictus games - it was not Henry's idea. Our late Queen Elizabeth II asked Edward Lane Fox to set something up for Henry to do to keep him occupied. It was all set up and handed to him, speeches and all.
Makes sense. Harry wouldn’t be smart enough to come up with the idea on his own.
EVERYTHING that Harry has was handed to Harry.
Of course! After the naked snooker in Vegas, 'excuse' to shipping out to Afghanistan (asif he may never survive.. Surrounded by Gurkas. Eye Roll.)
Swept under the carpet was his insane telling journo.. This war just like video game!. People were appalled - THAT was the last straw & he had to go home!. Also, their was an attack of somesort on base.. 2 americans lost lives. I am hazy on facts - but it was not :a you know what to get H.. Spmething to do with fence breached well, well away from his ring of steel. Whatever.! It was DONE. Nomore 'tours of duty' for the hero, Fully qualified Apache Pilot. ;)
@@BlueInk912 oh yes I forgot, bunker Harry the "fully qualified Apache pilot" 🤣🤣🤣
and wasn't it copied from the americans' warrior games. @@graphiquejack
I could talk for hours about this Megan woman, but all I'll say is, most men have no idea how conniving some women can be. some only find out when their hearts are broken or their bank accounts are emptied by the person they thought loved them, some never realize it. Women know what women are capable of, even if some don't want to admit it.
“You have to arrange your own transportation” what? What a gentleman!
I know! Which makes me think he knew she wouldn’t be coming?
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I’m worried about if she got a refund.
Oh bless, that was my first thought 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@bearessentials4383
Red Flag! She definitely dodged a bullet 😊
As a strategy, Diana, Princess of Wales, used “confuse the palace, keep them off balance,” and Harry is right when he claims, “I have a lot of my mother in me.” Maybe our best response to the “keep them guessing” modus operandi is to yawn, ignore the Sussexes, and turn to other interesting stories that are more believable--on the other hand, this is a thoroughly enjoyable and thoughtful vlog.
Yes I think you might be right! 😊
Nah, they’ve fudged the timeline because she was living with someone who thought he was in an exclusive relationship with her. It’s not a good look that she was carrying on a secret affair. I’d take bets on them sneaking around for quite a while before their so-called “blind date” (details of which have changed repeatedly)
i think she was living with a high end chef when she was having an affair with harry
They lied about the timeline because the dating was transactional while the brunette was cheating
Maybe!
Or maybe Harry was cheating on Cressida before he dumped her. I can’t see why he would end it unless he already had someone else lined up.
@@graphiquejackCressida and Chelsey dumped Harry NOT the other way around
@@chenoamoten5296 💯
I agree, Marcus hooked them up in SoHo Toronto way before 2014, imo she was his escort first and I probably why she sent her wedding ring in the mail in 2013, then she finally got him to dump Cressida since she dumped her husband, they had to take it slow so it didn't look bad and she could start beefing up her resume so when Harry brought her to the Queen she would look legitimate.
I find it difficult to believe Cressida would cry over losing that dollop.
Would love for Cressida & Chelsea speak out with their story 😂
Now that would be juicy 😂
@@thevintageread More class in their little fingers than H&TW have in their whole beings ...but oh, to be that fly on the wall....?? 😎
Even though he said otherwise both of these classy ladies dumped him saw him for what he was as we are all seeing now those ladies had lucky escapes in my opinion and both are too classy to kiss and tell and don't need the money they come from wealthy families so he ended up with what he deserved a Gold Digger who will kiss and tell if the price is right
I bet they think they dodged a bullet with Harry. Dude sounds like a nightmare to deal with. He definitely met his match with Meghan who sounds like an even bigger nightmare.
Both Chelsea and Cressida are good friends with Eugenie, and Cressida’s husband has ties with William. I don’t think they’ll blab anytime soon (sadly)!
Possibly, but the most documented is that they met at Soho House opening in Istanbul, April 25, 2015. Palace records put Harry there, and photos place MM there. Rumors are that Harry wasn't interested, brushed her off, not his type, not young, not blonde. As for Toronto. Corey, chef to Celebrities was in no need of Meghan, quite the reverse. You have to understand, no one knew who she was, the show was on cable by subscription, not mainstream media.
Yes it doesn’t add up…but I wish that brunette came forward! 😂
What to believe with these two! I read he got very drunk in Istanbul and ended up sobbing on her pillow about his poor self and his life as a wastral living in palaces.
absolutely agree - Corey was successful - a talented and nice guy. Meghan was unknown even here in Toronto (except within her pretentious little circle). am sure Corey considers himself lucky now with a lovely wife and child.
Thanks!
Of course ! Duh you have to subscribe in Canada & the US that’s why no one knew her or Suits.
Cressida definitely dodged a bullet. Too good for Harry & Harry probably felt threatened by her.
Yes way above his league!
Agree, both Cressida and Chelsey. You know Harry was targeted when all his former dates and flings are blondes, yet he landed on a brunette.
I can also see why everybody loved Cressida, she seems so down to earth, a very humble sweet personality. The opposite of MM
Well Shauna they’ve told SO MANY LIES about EVERYTHING 🙄. You could very well be right. I would not be surprised.
Now that Meghan’s face is famous, wonder if the Miami reporter could now identify the brunette?
Yes I would love a follow up story!
I was wondering the same thing. Hmmm.
I would love to know what Cressida and Chelsey think of him now 😮
"My firm organized my transportation, so you have to make your own way."
Typical red flag of someone who doesn't want you to show up.
And coming from a spoilt Prince who would probably provide a private jet for his crass lover to go to Whole Foods across the street. ✈
Glad Cressida read the room and dodged a bullet. 🔫
Oh Shauna your side note lean in over your desk about Cressida being genuinely talented, nice person, unique, qualities. Do you realise everything you’ve credited Cressida for is exactly what MM would love to be. Oh the irony ! Love that she’s happily living her life and is very happy. Thanks Shauna. 💕
Yes I love that too!
If that is true, what a downgrade for Harry! Cressida is effortlessly beautiful and classy, a very talented actor and an incredibly intelligent and sophisticated lady. Basically all the things Megz keeps pretending to be. 😂
She still was living with another man. She doesn’t leave her lily pad until she finds a new one. 😂
"Recollections may vary." 😉
I have to say your intuitive approach to this makes a lot more sense than all the deepest conspiracy theories that I have come across recently. I have to say it makes perfect sense! Love your gentle, sensible conclusions/opinions ❤
Cressida and Chelsea dodged a bullet!!!
Fascinating, Shauna! I've heard many anecdotes from folks who insist MM stalked H for those ~2 years... This alternative theory would explain those and other "coincidences" that supposedly brought them together. I'll be mulling this one over! Thank you very much for the video. 😊
Lol, yes I think that's more likely, she started stalking him from here, not dating him
Definitely the whole 'humanitarian' charade. All of the sudden within 2 years she's in Rwanda, speaking at One World Vision and wants to be an Ambassador at the UN. She had to jump into these things and was begging her agents, everyone to catapult her into that sphere, because Harry would then be interested in her. I really hope that a book comes out one day that reveals her machinations. Tom Bower said about his book: 'You should have seen what I couldn't print'.
Your mind must be ticking all day long Shauna , we should re-name you Miss Marple ! (lol) 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I’d read somewhere that they met at an event that Cory was catering.
I would have ditched him after he said you have to arrange your own transport. HUGE red flag there !
Yes!
In my experience when those moments where pieces fall together should not be brushed off. Because more often than not they have merit and what your intuition is saying sounds very valid to me. For me this rings true because I just thought they moved from meeting to married very quickly.
That's very common when there's a narcissist involved. They aren't patient and they need to get the mark locked in quick, because keeping up the facade of being a nice, fun person takes energy.
They have lied so many times even about the most inconsequential things that to believe they have not actually lied about when and how they met would be a fail.
What a jerk treating her that way. Well, we know about karma. He's getting it in spades with the "tanned brunette." The Invictus Toronto connection is no coincidence!
Wow!!! Creseda had a lucky escape. As for you Shauna, I think you missed your true calling either as a dedective or a P.I.😂
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Your family is so lucky to have you as a spouse and mother! Your dinner conversations must be fascinating!
I read the article and he was with A group of 13 friends all male and one brunette female. They had dinner and went to skybox nightclub afterwards which means she hung out with a bunch of guys drinking to the wee hours of the morning. He was photographed leaving SoHo Miami on May 1st 2014 a day after he broke up with Cressida which means they met even before may of 2014. Why would he break up with Cressida if he hadn't even met Markle yet? I think Meghan met him in 2013, hence her divorce.
Great minds think alike! 😂
😳Once again, your spidey senses & putting together the jigsaw puzzle pieces are revealing the real picture - not the 'picture on the lid' we have been sold. Brilliant.
Once you laid that out, you cannot unsee that he dumped Cressida for Meghan, who quickly sculpted her "Humanitarian" resume & Diana 2.0 pictures. 😱
I've always thought they met earlier - they were in the same place in 2015 (Istanbul - Soho House) MM was photographed with Eddie Redmayne, who is a good friend of Harry and William. Harry was there with Charles at the time.
Tell me…was that in May?
@@thevintageread April 2015. Apparently there is a whole reddit feed, comments under their YT Netflix trailer, and a few other TH-cam videos on it
Harry, & the York girls there.. How long. Only certainty he attented the Gallapoli remembrance service with Charles. Free time who knows?
I have suspicions about the extact TIMES she was in Croatia. H partied hard there... Some nonsense about investment equity club??
Oh Shauna, I thoroughly enjoyed this segment. Not so much because of anything particularly salacious-but because you are right-as a lot of people have felt similarly to you that Harry and Meghan likely met far earlier than what had been previously reported. However in my view, it really does harken back to just how nauseatingly deceptive and deceitful the pair have since proven themselves to be of late. But what I really came to appreciate most of all-is the unique commentary and perspective in which you continue to provide. For example, you come with armed with a wonderful presentation-one that is both fair minded and essentially rooted in academia-with regards to royal biographies and such) and not from the same old deductions that most other Royal gossip channels base the bulk of their their content on. You also present a good amount of facts and are very disarming as you thoughtfully discuss the probability of things. I also find your sincere way of putting things into focus and perspective ideally so much more relatable, tangible and plausible versus everything else which always comes off as so seemingly dark and sinister. I think at this point-each and every single one of us could really benefit from a little clarity and perspective. As how one feels about the Royals in general these days is a very polarizing subject. While I think we can all agree that we initially had wished that Harry had settled down with either Cressida Bonas or Chelsy Davy…I have a feeling nonetheless that in no time at all both of these young women would have been completely miserable. And that ultimately what eventually transpired between Charles and Diana would have similarly played out even more disturbingly in front of the entire world. In all truthfulness, both Cressida and Chelsy dodged a major bullet. As did most other young women all over the world-as no young woman in her right mind should ever have had to secretly endure what those two young women and even poor Sasha Walpole were put through. So in retrospect, I for one am incredibly thankful that Sasha, Chelsy and Cressida were all able to safely move past Harry and find the love and men that they all truly deserved. And regardless of what else continues to glaringly come to light about both Harry and Meghan-the sad truth is that Meghan is forever tethered to Harry and that no one really is the least bit envious of her for being married to him either.
Really enjoyed reading your comment! Very interesting points. Thanks.
No one is envious of Harry for marrying thrice divorced liar, Rachel Megan Raglan Markle. If Henry had married any of his exs, it wouldn't have been like his parents saga at all. His and his parents situation are totally so so different. Rachel is an older been around the block woman and used the oldest tricks on Henry to snatch Henry from Cressida without anyone knowing. She and her friend, owner of Soho house planned the hook up to Henry, while he met the other girls by himself and not at call houses.
@@dupelawal-ijaiya4020 While I completely understand what you are saying, I would like to clarify a few things. First, no woman in her right mind would be or is at all envious of Meghan-period. Secondly, there is factual evidence and proof of Harry's own narcissism-which undoubtedly stems from his ongoing drug use. Which again was more than apparent throughout much of Heart of Invictus. Furthermore, you cannot make such an assumption about Harry and his exes without first acknowledging the indisputable fact that
he did not treat Sasha Walpole kindly when it came to light that she was the much older woman from Spare. There were also a number of incredibly insensitive and cruel things that he did to his exes including Chelsy Davy. This is also on top of what Shauna has already pointed out in his relationship with Cressida Bonas. It is also really not fair of any one of us to fully criticize Meghan-without first giving just criticism where criticism is actually due-and that of course lies squarely with Harry. After all he is the one who made it his mission in life to purposely prevent everyone in his immediate family from learning the full truth about Meghan for more than two years. Jason Knauf even alluded to what Harry was doing to staffers to ensure that the Queen and others within the Family would continue to have no real knowledge of Meghan's actual past thus preventing most of them from being able to intervene much earlier. Which was also in direct conflict and violation of Royal protocol. In other words, Meghan could not have ascended or infiltrated the Monarchy like she did and with such ferocity as she did without Harry's direct personal involvement and knowledge. So his meeting Meghan much earlier than originally reported not only does make total sense but it also aligns perfectly with what transpired with the events leading up to Megxit also reveals the true depths of his depravity and abject cruelty. Make no mistake about it-the Queen was maligned because of Harry. He cared nothing at all about her or the royal protocol that had stood as a trustworthy guardrail for more than fifty years. Harry is also the one who incessantly criticizes the rest of the world for their refusal to pay fealty to Meghan. He knows nothing at all about forgiveness, empathy, compassion, mercy, understanding, etc. Furthermore, I think the real reason that he continues to use and abuse drugs this very day is because of his desire to suppress all of the guilt that he still feels for having not only lied to his family for God only knows how long in reality but for having betrayed them in order to prove to Meghan of his so-called love for her.
@@marensweet719 All these written above boil down to what Every one or most people including the mainstream media refused to report that she manipulated and blackmailed him into allowing all you have stated above even being a stubborn and spoil brat isn't streetwise to know all what Megan has used to control him. Goodnight pls.
If they met in 2014 they would have to keep it secret because she was living with Cory Vitiello until mid-July 2016.
This is definitely a fun little gossipy line of thought.
I wonder if they met as you said and from thereon out had this secret salacious clandestine meet up once a year. And perhaps by Toronto Invictus, he/they decided they wanted to make a go of it 🤔
Your probably spot on with this. It will come out one day.
No smoke without fire. I wouldn’t be surprised.
Ahh still had to ignore comments to listen to you as i cant do both at once 😂But I just noticed something - every time you leant forward to tell us something really interesting I leant towards you too, real heads together whisper secrets moments😂😂😂I wish you lived near Me and held weekly meetings.
🤣😂 That’s so funny x
🤣🤣🤣 love this comment. Glad I've read this far! 😄
I have a question.Have they told a single truth?😅😅
With this two, any thing is possible
Chelsy is the one who got away. Harry will forever regret losing her.
Interesting. I didn't know he broke up with Cressida, always assumed she dumped him. At this point I'd believe just about anything!
I LOVE, LOVE the gossipy bits, and your fun sense of humour ! The videos are always super entertaining. 😃
Thanks! 😊💗
I’ve always thought until now that Cressida finished with Harry.
So did I. I read an article in which Cressida implied she broke up with Harry.
Just adding after watching James Hewitt interview by Larry King (2003?) James admitted he and Diana actually met first time at BP (? 1990s?). They had 5 year affair after the children were born, BUT he said they met briefly before. Looking forward to this one!
Oh interesting!
@@thevintageread The interview is on TH-cam! It came up in my feed last week.
@@optimisticgal I had read it. I had watched Laura m TH-cam too
OMG!! I love how you find these things. It makes SO MUCH sense!!!
Plus Tig was the boys nanny's name. Wine not pronounced hard g. 2014 sounds perfect
I thought it meant GIT in reverse.
Never made that connection before but can see it now.
That was a delicious cup of tea. I hate to think Meghan made him a better man at that time though.
2 years of scheming 🤢
Oh shauna your detective work is impeccable ...
Well thanks…it’s all a bit vague but fun to speculate!
Makes PERFECT sense!!!!
Gossip is good for the soul sometimes,😂
Indeed 😂
I would not believe a word from either of them.
I like inquiring minds ! And if he broke up with Cressida before going to the US, would it also mean that he already knew MM at the time and wanted to be free to be with her while in the US (maybe that was a condition MM imposed on seeing him further) ?
And then, wouldn't it be a very twisted plot H&M had, of making themselves look like saints during the 2 years preceding the announcement (by way of media, of course) they were an item ? The plot thickens !
When you said "Invictus Games in Toronto" for me that was a huge ah-ha moment. But really, your whole video is sound to me - every point raised strongly supports this very original theory. Fantastic detective work as usual, thank you for sharing, it's super entertaining :))
She probably roasted a chicken 😂 for Harry & prince Andrew ,on holiday,at little Saint James island
There's a photo of Harry and this dark haired woman on-line. She is definitely not MM. Too tall and has a waist. In addition to that, Harry was with his mates in Miami and not possible that he met MM in May 2014 and Skippy and the others never breathed a word about that later.
Also not plausible that MM chased Harry for two years and didn't breathe a word about it to anyone. She was chasing chef Cory from late 2013 or early 2014. Did hook up with Rory Mcilroy in August 2014, but she scurried back to Cory.
You make very good points. Things that make you go hmmmmm….
Yes but nothing really strong enough…fun though!
So interesting!!! I was always under the impression that she pushed Harry into announcing they were together very quickly, with the whole press intrusion. If your right it makes complete sense the hints on Instagram and the mad about Harry interview. He was taking to long! Funny there has always been something off with their story. If it's this image, all those conspiracy theories about why they are being shady all for this!!! How disappointing 😂. Great video as always! ❤
I agree, the "leave my girlfriend alone" makes a lot more sense if they met earlier (and she had emotional blackmail material, such as giving up her relationship w Corey for him).
Thanks 💗
It does!
Thanks!
Thankyou! That’s very kind 😊
Shauna! You are an amazing investigator!! I agree with you 100%👍🏻
Why anyone would pick the dog filter on Instagram as the story is beyond me.
Especially at her age.
Yes I thought that too!
Good Afternoon Shauna and one and all. I had heard that they met at a Soho House opening abroad somewhere, can’t remember then location. 🙋♀️🇬🇧
SoHO House Turkey, April 2015. H was there with Charles for the Anzac Day Celebrations, and MM was there as a hostess for SoHO House Opening Week.
@@BettyBoop111 Thank you 👍 🙋♀️
Usually it is the Istanbul story…
Harry was in Turkey for the Gallipoli celebration, and Markle was there for the opening of Soho house at the same time that was In the April of 2015.
Also didn't H date Ellie Goulding after Cressida?
Shauna, I think you might be thinking of the New York Times article published on 12 Sept 2019 titled “Misha Nonoo, Close Personal Friend of MM, Speaks”. The article notes that “Photos captured in Miami in 2014, sold through Getty Images, reveal that both women attended a nighttime beach party…”
That was Art Basel in December…but I have a feeling that Misha and Alexander Gilkes were there at Fontainebleau in May…
find the author of the article ... the journo and ask them if it looked like she ?@@thevintageread
The chef was at the BeachParty.
Yes he was at Art Basel in December…but not May! 😉
Well intuition is a great thing and I think you are spot on with this one….thank you. My granny used to say….There is no such thing as a secret.
Brilliant conjecture
I believed she chased Sparry, she wanted the fame Diana had. To bad she’s unlikable!
Your archive files are a treasure!!! Better than any Scotland Yard investigation 😉🕵️♀️
Cressida is a very good actress and she also had a podcast “Fear Itself” for which she produced close to 40 podcasts )unlike a certain work-shy duchess).
Very interesting…🤔
This makes so much sense. I hope that this story will be developed.
Toronto indeed…how twisted. It does seem planned.
Some issues are “stranger” than the truth. Money & power talk & can imo make changes @ whim. Interesting thoughts. Great vlog. 💐
The journalists that described her as tan was experiencing unconscious biased. And to say Cressida is a talented performer then they haven’t watched (suffered through) Suits. Because I have seen some reports of major films trying to snag them some MM. Oscar whispers have been heard. Now all this is alleged and in the deranged mind of Madam cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and her red headed assistant 😝
Yes.! Says I, before listening.
Thank you Shauna.
You’re brilliant…and fun. Thank you. I love to watch your mind spin.
Thanks!
I love how your mind works! Makes perfect sense to me ...
Good karma for Cressida
Since the Toronto games were so far in the future, I suspect that if they kept it under wraps it was because he had JUST broken up with Cressida. ?
Hi Shauna, your research skills are second to none. With that in mind, could I kindly ask you to look into the stories about Meghan being caught taking pictures in the private family areas at Kensington Palace before she married Hasbeen? I've heard this story mentioned a few times now in the 3 or 4 days on other vloggers' channels. This included taking pictures of the Wales' children's bedrooms, especially Charlette's bedroom. It was said that if things didn't work out with Hasbeen she would sell the pictures at a later date. If true and Hasbeen knew about it how could he even consider marrying someone that would do such a thing.
I have looked into it! 😊 It may be true but I have only found stories online from unverified or anonymous sources… so I can’t help you I’m afraid, not with anything I can prove.
You’re the best detective lady! And so delightful!❤
Interesting 🤔
Thought they met in my hometown, Toronto, while she was there shooting “Suits”.
Interesting theory! I do think it's likely that Jessica Mulroney and Markus Anderson were involved in getting Invictus to Toronto.
Well he couldn’t have been as fooled by her personality if he knew her longer.
Soho House….she had been chasing RF through Ghislaine and Andrew way before?
🎉 great 👌
Thanks ✌️
Love the way your mind works!
He lies about everything else, so why would this be any different
Everything about those two is smoke and mirrors.
Hmm. But if he met her after dumping Cressida, why did he dump her? He must have known of or have been talking to Meghan before he ended things with Cressida, unless it’s just the biggest coincidence ever that he ends things with a long term girlfriend and then immediately meets Meghan days later. If it’s true that Meghan was the tanned brunette, then my spider senses would say that Harry already was talking to Meghan somehow before they met in person, and he was already interested in her… enough so that he would end things with Cressida. Otherwise the timeline doesn’t make sense to me… it would be too convenient to meet someone after becoming single again days earlier.
Yes I agree…
I read an article very shortly after Harry and Meghan started dating. And it said, that Harry had loved "Suits" (probably especially Season 2 Episode 16 😉) and told friends, that Rachel Zane aka Meghan Markle would be his perfect woman. But I can't find this article anymore. Thought it was Daily Mail. Will have another look. So that could be a good reason to dump Cressida, if he'd knew he'd meet Meghan in Miami. But on the other hand, the Brunette in the photos in Miami doesn't really look like Meghan.
Found the article: Daily Mail. Headline says "Prince Harry had a 'crush' on Meghan Markle's Suits character Rachel Zane for TWO YEARS before meeting her - and told a friend she was his ideal girl".
So that seems to confirm that he knew of her as far back as 2014!
And the information came from Katie Nicholl. I think she is a very reliable source.
Yep she asked her PR to get her some high profile charity gigs which could possibly be the for runner to coming to London and telling people she was looking for a wealthy Englishman. Nothing is ever truthful with these two. Corys Mother is reported as disliking MM that woman had good instincts.
The first “I’m looking for an English boyfriend” was 2013 😉
Waiting patiently
Whoa! Food for thought!
I've never bought the H&M 'meeting(s)' story...M has never managed to keep a straight story and we're seeing H now prove he's the same!!
Good sleuthing Shauna 😎👏
I really enjoy your videos and your thoughts. Gone are the days of reliable reporting. Present day you can google anything. Quite obviously you researched beyond the point of their team of “deleters”. I appreciate your research skills and sources.
I second your comment - tresbien
And you can google THAT photo of H at the Miami nightclub. Photo is by Alamy photos. Imo, it's not M... face and head shape is wrong.. also seems too tall.