The CGI animation may bet better in Miraculous than Code Lyoko, BUT I MUCH prefer the art style of Code Lyoko...foreheads and all. Not only is it more interesting to look at, but I don't get the awkward feeling I get watching Miraculous. Idk why but I just don't fully like how the character models look sometimes. Also, things I didn't mention for why Code Lyoko is better: 1.) All of the main characters get proper spotlight. There isn't a creator's pet. 2.) There are appropriate consequences to bad behaviors. 3.) There is a bully-adjacent character named Sissi who sometimes can fill the role of Chloe. Sissi, while being the butt of a joke sometimes, is treated with more respect than Chloe. 4.) XANA is not a human and thus has no human emotion. It is much more cruel and won't hesitate to end someone; even children. There is no sympathy from it, you only feel fear. XANA is a worthy villain and the writers treat it like the awful being it is. Gabriel has such wishy-washy writing that we don't know what the writers want us to feel regarding him. Sometimes he's sympathetic and other times he's the worst person ever. Some might call him complex, others might say that's not complexity, that's bad writing. You can write a complex and morally grey character, but they didn't do it well with Gabe. I'm sure there are more reasons XD I also failed to mention that Code Lyoko's world, other than the supercomputer, is pretty modern for the time when it came out. Also, the main characters all live in a boarding school and thus have to deal with school drama from time to time just like they do in Miraculous. And thus, the Code Lyoko characters gain extra complexity by having to deal with school and family drama along with keeping their secret of saving the world. So while the similarities between Miraculous and Code Lyoko aren't that deep, they are they're. And I believe Code Lyoko just handles things better. CODE LYOKO FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, even if the overall 3D animation quality of Miraculous is better than what Code Lyoko had, I would hope that at least the latter was more consistent in its CGI quality than the former? Some of the episodes in Miraculous LITERALLY have unfinished rendering. That's one of the many, many things that made it frustrating to watch over time. 😬
Have you seen ninjago? If not, pls watch it! And if you don't have the time, (i say this bc it has 15 seasons) watch the sequel, Ninjago: Dragons Rising. (Which has only 1 season) I, personally, love it and i think it's really awesome❤
And funny enough Xana actually has also more complex characteristics to it bc at one point it sided with the heros to destroy a bigger enemy xDD If I remember right (spoiler for anyone I guess) it was something Jeremy created that ended up almost destroying Lyoko Xana was like 'nah fam u fucked up' and buddied with em to save the world, only to after go back to try destroy it 😂😂 Honestly Gabriel could never pull something like this Xana is not stupid, it literally knows how to play it's cards when needed
In my opinion, another reason why Code Lyoko is better than Miraculous was that while both series deal with romance shenanigans, but Code Lyoko's romance is more coherent and makes sense throughout the entire series than Miraculous.
Humans have gigant heads. On our foreheads many of us have the smartsbone which dogs have on the back of their heads. Our brain to body weight is 300% of expectations, and our neutenous features make it so our jaws are pathetically weak and have no place to ancor on top of the head making our heads smooth baloons.
I found main story repetitive, but Sissi is much better than Chloe, and Odd's Lyoko design is much cooler than Chat Noir's (black cat designs are too simple).
The story is a bit repetitive at first. Like I said it starts as very monster of the week (similarly to Miraculous). As time goes on, the plot becomes more relevant.
I think part of what makes Sissi better than Chloe is that Sissi never has an arc, she gets a few moments of pleasent suprise to prove she's better deep down then she acts (I remember her defending two younger kids from a XANA monster who she was being a bitch to earlyier in the episode) This means she's way less frustaiting to watch because she was never set up to be more, meaning she gets to run her fuction in show of being a minor IRL antagonist without any bagage (Also she never teams up with Xana or something equally dumb.)
@@playererror4044 I much prefer that over the treatment chloe gets and to be honest even if chloe was treated well she would unfortunately just be lumped in as just another we love marinette uwu like every character chloes in the wrong series
Why doe France have this thing with cat-man? Plagg: “ I smell cheese…!” Odd: “ Actually that’s just my feet- AH!!!” Plagg: [Munches on Odd’s feet] Adrien: “ PLAGG!!!”
I could easily give a ted talk on code lyoko... The episode when Jeremy goes to lyoko to save his friends from xana. Terrifying but perfect. And when Xana impersonates Franz hopper for the first time. That episode is a storytelling masterpiece. It deserves a chef's kiss. Plus Some of Odds jokes are actually funny when you hear them for the first time
The fictional band in Code Lyoko is so good too! We actually get original music, unlike with Miraculous where we are only told that Jagged Stone is a big rock star. The band in Code Lyoko is called Subdigitals and there is a playlist of their songs on TH-cam!
100% YES I loved Code Lyoko as a kid, the characters are great, like you said the stakes were actually HIGH and the theme song is freaking bop literally still play it to this day when I’m chilling.
Also the romance between Code Lyoko characters was better in my opinion. And not everyone had a ship. Like I don't remembere exactly, but pretty sure Odd never had a love interest. And I always liked the trope of "not too much of a trait". Umi was a strong and serious girl but never too much. She still cared for her friends, all of them, even in the times she and Ulrich were on negative sides. Jeremy was never too "nerdy". He knew when to get serious, when to get silly and when to show off knowledge. Aelita was never too soft. She was soft and sweet, but still brave and knew when to put her softness aside. Odd was a bit annoying but was still kind and friendly. He loved his dog too which I appreciate. Ulrich I remember as this strong and tough guy, but he was never too tough. He still respected Jeremy while in most media they would dislike each other probably. There was also that second guy I don't remember the name of. I believe he was like ex-villain or something? And while he was edgy, he wasn't too edgy. Just balanced enough. Conclusion: in CL everyone had balanced traits.
Odd was a Casanova. He had dated and dumped almost every girl in school to the point where by the end none of them were interested in going out with him. I remember in the episode where he and Yumi got body-swapped, Ulrich had to remind him that night was when he was breaking up with one girl, and Odd remembered he was also breaking up with another girl.
Two things to say about Lyoko: 1. I think the Forheads came about by someone missing hearing some some drawing advise, the forhead takes up 1 third of the skull, not 2 thirds. 2.Xana is a great frickin' villian, it never talks meaning it's actions have to speak for it, and it is so good at being a geniune threat and terror to our heroes.
Yeah uh, about the foreheads- They were always meant to be that way. The original character designs date back to like 2000, where the original creators of the show made a short skit using some of the character designs that would be reused for code lyoko (they look the exact same), I’m pretty sure the short film was called “Les Enfants font leur cinéma”- Even then, those character designs got reused for the EARLY WIP of Code Lyoko, called Garage Kids where we got the characters we know from the main show, artstyle still intact. You can find both of the original projects that eventually became Code Lyoko on YT :)
I've honestly seen some people complain that some of XANA's attacks aren't even that threatening or a joke, mostly referencing that one episode where XANA possessed a giant teddy bear to wreak havoc. What they're forgetting is that it was said in the series that XANA starts very weak and got stronger after Aelita was materialized in the real world. That teddy bear episode was in the 1st season with XANA at its weakest before Aelita became human again. And as funny as it may sound to attack with some girls' teddy bear, it still managed to be a threat. After it got stronger that AI was practically trying to kill the kids almost every episode. In one episode, after William was introduced to the gang, it even took control of an electrician/engineer guy to plant actual bombs in the factory, and they had to rely on William's help to deactivate them. XANA is a dangerous threat, and it's kinda annoying when people who've watched the show and didn't like it or smth pretend like it's not.
@@evawhite1144 yeah, XANA got stronger with every return to the past travel. XANA knew about this so in one episode it took control of that program to repeat the same day over and over until it got powerful enough to control people.
@evawhite1144 "Xana is not a dangerous villian!" Xana: would you like a satellite laser? Or better yet I can possess your friends and they can jump you. Oh you thought you were out numbered now. Watch me multiply indefinitely. I create mass because I am beyond physics. I will spawn creatures in your real world like I'm a creative mode god in minecraft and you're just on adventure mode
rose always struck me as a rip off aelita with the short hair, pink clothes, princess aesthetic, and for crying out loud rose even has pink wings on the back of her shirt little on the nose there imo
One thing I *vastly* prefer between Code Lyoko and Miraculous is the friendship between the main girls. Marinette and Alya are cute... When the writers allow it. But most of the time, Alya's characterization flips depending on the episode (especially the Lila ones), or Alya just enables Mari's worst traits further. Wheras Yumi is *such* an MVP to the entire group, and always comes in clutch to help Aelita. Then in turn, Aelita grows as a person to help Yumi and everyone else out, especially in Sector 5. You don't need several "we're besties" scenes to know they've got each other's backs, and they don't get nosey into each other's love lives cause they trust the guys too.
Honestly, I actualy likes the giant forheads XD. It felt more unique andexpressive in it's own way. I don't mind art that tries to be more acurate but I also apreciat more creative art that stands out. and Codeleoko stands out. If I was to update the the show I wouldn't change much, not even those interesting heads. IT JSUT WOULDN'T be the same.
I miss Code Lyoko. I watched the first 2 seasons when i was a kid which was in my language so the translation were a bit off. Then got to the English version only to discover that it was originally French. Color me surprise. And I adored the CGI. My cousins and me were always enamored whenever computer graphics were put on. But only because it was new. Especially when it came to the Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Looking back at it, we'd probably scoff and say it was terrible. But yeah... that was our mindset. And the opening soundtrack for Code Lyoko beats Miraculous Ladybug any day. I kinda skipped the Live-Action version as i didn't want to taint my childhood with whatever the director had in store for it. Still remains one of the best cartoons of its time. God i feel old.
Also while Miraculous’s creator was more or less a complete a-hole to his fans. The Code Lyoko creators were very fan centric and were happy to except theories from them.
Yey finally someone who talks about Code Lyoko after years! I always loved Code lyoko since I was a kid. Actually they have a few things in common lol. THey both have a beautiful theme song, they are both in middle school (I think) they are both french, and yes Hacksan IS Xana!! And the Return to the past/Miracolous ladybug power lol.
I was so desperate to get back home after school everyday just to watch Code Lyoko, I couldn't get enough of it, and me and my friends would pretend to play Code Lyoko during recess, it was so much fun😁 Even if the episodes were the same plot of *"Xana attack of the week"* , I never got bored of them. And I agree that the writing in CL is better than MLB, cause as you said we see how the CL characters have to struggle in not only saving the world but also dealing with school and family problems that felt realistic that fans could relate to them. Meanwhile MLB handles their problems as if there weren't any to begin with, OR they do show them but it's handled poorly. And let's not forget there were a few rare episodes that they couldn't use the *"returned to the past"* and had to figure out how to deal with the aftermath of Xana's attack, and their school and family problems on their own, now that is good story telling. The main 5 were truly written very well, each of them were different in their own way and had their own spotlight from time to time that allowed us to get to know them better and grow to like them more. Unlike MLB with their main focus on their mascot *cough* Marinette *cough* And sometimes they would show the main 5 having conflicts with one another and also themselves that the series did a good job in how they handled those problems which gave good development in their characters, that you can truly appreciate the unique friendship they have. What I found adorable is how Ulrich and Odd called Aelita "princess" and how protective they're of her that shows that it really is possible for boys and girls to be just friends. Jeremy and Aelita were basically the parents of the group that kept everyone in check, and they had the most healthy relationship that I have ever seen, heck practically everyone called them "Mr. & Mrs. Einstein" and it didn't bother them because they actually like it, they are practically married without goign through all the ridiculous drama. And let me tell you, Yumi and Ulrich were my ultimate ship that I was practically screaming for them to hurry up and get together already. They KNOW that they like each other but as always the writers enjoy making us suffer of the trope of *"will they/won't they"* , and it still remain that way to the last episode, which still frustrates me till today. And let's not forget of how Odd and Kiwi were the emotional support of the group that always kept them positive and find the fun in every situation, that was truly much appreciated. CL may not be perfect but it did a great job in keeping us long time fans still love the show even till today. Thanks again for the video Alou God bless you 🙏🏼 💻
For Code Lyoko I always did like Yumi/William as one of my ships as a child. What I didn’t like in S2 was how Jeremy treated Aelita so I liked more of Odd/Aelita. Each season did get interesting & how it felt different. For the reboot I’m glad they ended in 1 season bc it doesn’t have the charm like the cartoon. Miraculous is only good when it’s from SAMG or any high quality studios. Others do make it worse & unbearable to watch at times. This is why I wish the show had the creativity to go dark & talk/show those topics. Heck even make it PG-13 since the main audience is adults.
12:00 I find when shows make nods to other IPs like this, it's to create the possibility that they _might_ be set in the same universe which opens the door for a possible crossover somewhere down the line.
I think, in my opinion, the main reason the relationship/romance between Ulrich Stern and Yumi Ishiyama in Code Lyoko is better than that of Marinette and Adrienne, is because it never reaches "creepy territory". Yeah, Yumi and Ulrich did have some disagreements and fights here and there, as is expected of two teenagers who have to shuffle between their studies at the academy and their secret identities as heroes who have to save the world. They fought sometimes, if I remember correctly, they even kissed a few times, but at the end both of them agreed that it'd be better to stay just friends, which is fine if that's what they want. With Marinette and Adrienne, it's true that they also have school and secret hero identities, their relationship does veer into "creepy" territory", cause from what I've heard, there’s a period where Marinette basically becomes a stalker? Stalking Adrienne, getting jealous if any other girl talks or even looks at him, and wanting him all to herself. And her entire character also starts spinning around trying to get his love, which doesn't happen with Yumi. With Yumi, we do get to see the other struggles of her life, such as: her semi dysfunctional family situation, her relationship with her younger brother Hiroki (which is cool, cause Hiroki is a very minor character, that we get to see some of her sibling bond with him). Her relationship with Aelita as friends and besties, and her supposed "rivalry" with the popular girl Sissy over Ulrich is never toxic, cause Yumi doesn’t even bother to compete with Sissi over the boy, cause obtaining Ulrich's love and affection isn’t even something her character thinks about a lot in every chapter, where that is a main point of Marinette's personality (getting the boy). That's why Ulrich/Yumi is better, and Yumi is also a better character than Marinette. And if Yumi, the "secondary heroine/girl" of the show is better than her, at this point I think it'd be unfair to compare Marinette to Aelita, lmao.
Code Lyoko does its villains so better and XANA William in Season 3 Finale to Season 4 really gave us a sympathetic villain who's a teenager human in a XANAfication and doesnt know he's in it or under XANA's control with an Evolved one people think of, also his Battle theme with ofc variations is so good, the creators have different moods in S4 where the instruments and vocals will be different. Also CL taught me of stuff like Seige of Carthage waaaay back when I was a kid so can't think less of the show if it taught me a historical moment and names including Scipio at a young age.
Yes that's my favorite show as a kid! That is my child hood. Yes code lyoko. I bought a copy of the theme song so I can listen to it on my phone. Thank you Aloubell!
🖥️ Code Lyoko will always have a place in my heart for being a kids show that was able to be lighthearted but knew how to balance it with other stuff such as action, character development, and reasonable stakes, wish we had more of this nowadays.
I hate the fact that the evolution was left with a big cliffhanger, I remember watching cl evolution somewhere in 2013 or 2014 and waiting for the second season to air but then I found out that evolution was to hated bc it was a live action, but in my opinion CL evolution is better than a terrible ripoff *reboot the guardian code*
XANA was always a unique villain, considering the fact that he was a villain who had no face or even a voice, he showed that he was a dangerous threat simply through actions, no words, just simply getting to the point of his motivations, unlike others villains who just either waste time on explaining their evil plans or just capture the heroes but don't kill them, XANA does not hesitant at all to kill and destroy anyone who get in his way, he will always go for the kill, he's a direct villain, a trait that's rare in villains.
Actually we hear through the Spectre in Fight To The Finish XANA's voice is very deep and demonic, that's heard through those possessed like William and those Amazon Jungle Rainforest Facility workers who dont have names, the closest we get more to XANAs voice.
Absolutely 100 perfect agree on "A World without Danger" I grew up with the instrumental version. Love how the beginning sounds akin to a computer starting up. Got so much better when i found out there was a lyrical version.
Code Lyoko is actually one of the shows I'm planning to watch after (or while) I watch The Ghost and Molly Mcgee, Stoked!, 6teen, detentionaire, and Huntik
One thing I would complain about is that there is a lot of moaning sounds in this show. I never noticed it when it was airing because I was in elementary school when it first aired, but I was watching a playlist of episodes a few years back because I was feeling nostalgic and was reading the comments. So many people were pointing out that the kids made those sounds A LOT throughout the show. A lot of it was out of place as well.😳
Been rewatching some old cartoons (especially rc9gn) and realised everything miraculous does, another show just does better. Why should I sit down and watch one show that does everything to varrying degrees of mediocre, instead of watching multiple shows that excell in various areas.
Well, their is one thing in code lyoko and that is them moans, i challenge you to find one code lyoko episode were their isnt any moans, but other than that love this show. 💻
Damn straight. That show was a favorite of mine back when I was a kid. Funny enough, Thomas Astruc worked on this show years before he created Miraculous.
Who the heck died before return to the past? I cannot for the life of me remember any character, aside from Yumi falling in the digital sea on Lyoko, dieing before the return to the past function was activated in the real world. And i am usually very good at remembering that stuff. Also i think more stakes would exist in Miraculous if the comraderie between Ladybug and Chat Noir was allowed to be explored more. Miraculous Ladybug the power is essentially the wish without the monkey's paw effect meaning any damage has to be erased and/or repaired. So i feel like it should be a type of power that requires the weilders of the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous to use together. And the purifying of Akumas and Amoks should be a power that Chat Noir posesses as it should theorhetically destroy the negative influences that are infused in the butterfly and feather. The power to purify comes at a cost to Chat Noir though as without a way to rid the negative influences he could turn into Chat Blanc which can lead to Ladybug creating the Magical charms that repel the Akumas and Amoks from whomever holds it. Creating something new out of the dark power that made the amoks and akumas. Their powers need to constantly balance out each other or it could lead to disaster if Cataclysm or Lucky Charm is over used. This structure would be so much better as it would leave Ladybug with Lucky Charm and later the creation of Magical Charms, Chat Noir with Cataclysm and give him the purification ability, and a "miraculous Ladybug" power for the both of them that could maybe have a wider range or do more to bring things back to normal the more that the holders of the Ladybug and Black cat Miraculous are on the same page, and are more synchronized in their efforts.
No one died before return to the past. But that's part of the point I was making. The show SUPER emphasized that if anyone did die before return to the past, they stay dead. This keeps stakes high but on a writing standpoint, keeps both writers and animators responsible for not making XANA's destruction so overly outrageous (like in Miraculous) where logic says that someone absolutely did die, but have the death either reversed or ignored via Return to the Past. Of course, in doing this you technically take away part of the worry because you're pretty certain that the show won't kill anyone off (this being a kids show), but still providing just enough suspense that you're never sure if they'll actually decide to go through with it or not. All of that is to say that the writers and animators had a lot to balance and did a good job creating tension regardless of going through with the deed or not.
@@TheArtisticAloubell ok fair enough. I just kept hearing this outside the video and was confused if it meant the side characters. The ones who hadn't been on Lyoko. I can understand the main 5 plus William but the way people describe it makes it seem like Sissi, Hiroki, Jim, Mrs. Hertz and any of the other side characters could not be saved if they were killed before the main characters trigger return to the past. That is all i was confused about because of the wording of the rules for return to the past and how it is the same wording that a lot of sources and fans used. Side note: am i the only one thinking that there is a continuity error with Cold War? The episode where XANA Triggers a freaking Ice Age to kill everyone and just as things were warming up, Yumi was implied to be dead before the return to the past? Not only because she along with everyone else was freezing to death but also because she saved Ulrich from a tree that collapsed from the cold?
@@sevenequalsoneheart6710 I just looked it up and apparently it was confirmed in the episodes "Teddyzilla" as well as "False Start" that Return to the Past cannot bring ANYONE back to life. Not the heroes or side characters. I think there are times where one can interpret contradictions, like you pointed out with Yumi. But TECHNICALLY, you can add reasonable doubt that unless we see someone destroyed or know that someone's heart is stopped, they aren't dead. They can be nearly dead, but not dead.
THAT'S TRUE. They have Android foreheads XD I wonder if they were the inspiration for the style??? Because the eye shape in Code Lyoko is also very reminiscent of the DBZ Androids...
TH-cam keeps auto-deleting my comments for some reason, but I second the multiple comments on this video recommending Code Lyoko Beyond. It's writing is absolutely superb, and it does a great job of addressing some of the unanswered questions from the original series.
Hey Aloubell Even though i really like miraculous Ladybug, i agree with the things that you said 😊😅 And i ' ve never heard of this Show but perhaps i will watch it 👀 💻
In the episode Killer Music, in Code Lyoko, there is a scene with someone being loaded into an ambulance covered in a white sheet, indicating they passed. It is hinted in the episode that there were multiple deaths as a result of that Xana attack and Odd being put in a coma-like state in which he survived.
something that code lyoko does really well and leagues beyond miraculous ladybug is character perks and flaws. the main cast of code lyoko has distinct personalities with their own strengths and weaknesses and their selfish actions are always met with consequences that fit the narrative - jeremie was a literal genius but his weaker physical state and lack of combat experience against xana made him the primary target (other than aelita) of xana’s attacks - ulrich was the best fighter and had a strong moral compass, but his jealousy and love for yumi is a constant point of conflict between him and his friends as it makes him act irrationally. he even got temporarily kicked from the group due to using the return to the past to rig the freakin lottery just for yumi and her family - odd was the jokester and never failed to make anyone smile. he wasn’t that smart but he was insanely creative and had an out of the box thinking that the rest of the group lacked, but he was the most immature out of the group and a huge show off, getting the group into trouble multiple times - aelita was naive but she was kind and the most emphatic of the group. however, she was shown to be a brat and rebel, often doing her own thing and not considering what consequences her actions could bring about, again playing into her naivety - yumi was the most mature and grounded of the characters, acting as the leader more often than not. she was also the most stubborn and headstrong and it often caused discourse among the group marinette has like one flaw? she’s clumsy?? and even as ladybug that goes away. her one major fuck up is when she wasn’t paying attention and gabriel got the miraculous from her. one could argue her love for adrien is a major character flaw (which her obsession is creepy) but never once has it been played off as anything other than cute or endearing that she knows him so well and it’s so funny cause haha she’s in love uwu i still enjoy watching miraculous, the cgi is much smoother, the voice acting is so much better (like it’s been 17 years and i still cannot forgive jeremys english va for that rollercoaster of a journey she went on to find the right pitch for his voice) and the character designs can be pretty good (especially the akumatized ones) but code lyoko is a much better show as a whole
While I do prefer miraculousis 3d animation compared to code lyoko because CGI back in the day was pretty good except for the code but that's about it. That the villain tried different things instead of using the same move but adding a little spice to it unlike monarch and also like you already said competent and his character wasn't ruined it for him to be a better villain consistent plot with actual continuity a power system that makes sense, characters that are actually different that aren't just nice all the time, betcha choreography in fights despite having a worse engine, and not the last one but most importantly our main character isn't a stalker and also the characters are treated equally. Ladybug literally copied Randy Cunningham and even though the story could have really been better and had less screen time it's still a better show with a better show
code lyoko was so iconic, repetitive but the episodes had me on the edge of my seat as a kid. Miraculous has so much potential but because the head writer doesn't want to improve and is more concerned about is favorite oc the the story is all over the place and I dont care for the characters like should. The show feel more like the miraculous tale of ladybug and not the miraculous tales of LB and CN. The show is dragging out and no consequences for LB, the show is boring and more annoying these days.
Miraculous is the only magical girl show Ive ever watched. How ever Ive played Hyperdimension Neptunia where all the main characters are girls and have magicalgirl transformations. And I must say one is infinitely superior to the other. In Neptunia there are not takebacksies, I cried when in the cursed sword ending of the second game Nepgear had to kill all her friends. Why Noire!? Why did you have to commit suacide by Nepgear making it so winning by power of friendship was no impossible and victory could only be achieved by further empowering Gehaburn...
miraculous show: :(. I don't like it. It's a story telling nightmare and you can tell there's no plan. Season 1: almost SpongeBob like except it's not intended to be funny and they want it to be serious.. no important plot you can skip it and start season 2 and you won't miss anything at all important. Villain of the day color wheel spin. Season 2: the most important season and the best season.very serious show. An actual story arc But oh shit they forgot hawk moth can't be eliminated yet cause he's the big bad so cue cheap escape at the end of the season and they pretend this was always the plan. Season 3: a mess of confusing nonsense. No plan just a cheap cover up for the fact they had no plan for after hawk moth so they let him escape last season. Drags on boring arcs covered in previous seasons. And doesn't make sense. Season 4 has two jobs. Fix the mess that is season 3 and prepare for the finale that is season 5. Season 5. A really long and drawn out finale for the show World Paris special. : click bait content to get you to watch the next seasons they're working one. They put unusually good quality in this one special.. pretty much click bait and empty promises. My opinion.. :( terrible show, cheap modern day cliches, unoriginal, And very boring plot and the producers make endless excuses for the flaws even though the show has run for 7 years..
And the jokes on us because hawkmoth is gone but now there's another hawkmoth so it's different.. no it's no we are simply swapping one hawkmoth for another
Code lyoko got the antagonist aswell, as miraculous's antagonist are villian of the week and dont have much personality nor does it feel like a real threat Spoiler for code lyoko Code lyoko did an amazing job at making william the antagonist, dont get me wrong the main villain is still XANA but william was a great antagonist, (cant say the same thing about him as a hero, he deserved better) Like when william came to screen with his iconic theme song you knew things were about to go down, and he was a very good fighter, ususal beating the entire group all by himself, and even going against 2v1 and still winning, usually the lyoko warriors only win against by stragety or sheer numbers. He was *great* as an antagonist. Between miraculous ladybug's antagonist and code lyoko's, william is the only one who got me saying "oh shit!" When they came to screen.
16:47 Hmm, what if there's a horror AU taking place in the old timeline, with a civilian who's left behind and trapped in the remains of the outdated world (after Gabriel's wish)? Survival will be crucial there. Also my sister owns an Aelita action figure in our home, I hope it's still there. She used to be a big fan of the show. I'm not so sure if she enjoys the official version of Miraculous.
🖥 Mmmmmh ok, ok Aloe. I will say that you have definitely made me intrigued about this show. 👀 I do remember watching commercials for it and everything, but never properly watched it. I was like 4 to 8 at the time, so I can't remember if it was because they never aired it at a convenient time for me, because it looked too serious for my taste back then, or because at the time I preferred to watch more colorful stuff. Maybe a combination of all of that xD I definitely agree that despite the artstyle being, well, peculiar, it is DEFINITELY recognizable. I immediately remembered it the moment I saw it despite never properly tuning in, and I can respect it when an artstyle has its unique identity. 😋 Also, STAKES! That thing about not bringing people back from the death despite turning back time immediately makes things feel much more real! And if that show was able to handle it well, age restrictions limitations and all, I bet so could've Miraculous. That combined with everything else you mentioned definitely makes me intrigued about it. I can't promise I'll watch it very soon, but it is now on my radar. 😉
Thank you for checking out this video despite not watching Code Lyoko! I'm glad I've peaked your interest 😁 All the episodes are up on TH-cam if you wanna watch it one day x3
5:40 this is mainly just a season 1 issue as if I remember correctly Code Lyoko as a concept was born way before the actual main plot was finalized so a lot of season 1 episodes end up feeling like their own thing not really connected to anything for the narrative to start picking up down the line as time went on, things that happened in previous episodes start to get brought up and the episodes begin to feel more connected. Code Lyoko's episode 1 takes place as if its just another routine day as if the stage has already been set and the characters have been doing this for at least some time whereas the prologue episode that was released way later into the show's runtime serves as what should be the actual introduction into this world instead of being thrown right into the middle of it like how season 1 did. Season 1 and watching the episodes in chronological release order could really hurt the viewing from a new viewer perspective to the point someone could probably have 2 different initial impressions of the show depending if they decided to watch Teddy Godzilla (episode 1) vs XANA Awakens (prologue) first.
These days anything's better than Miraculous Ladybug. Batman TAS was better than Miraculous Ladybug. The TMNT show from the 80s was better than Miraculous Ladybug. The webcomics I posted on Comic Fury was better than Miraculous Ladybug.
A way they could have delt with being revived in mlb is the trauma, or how awful an akumatized victim feels. They hurt people, or they're the one getting hurt A balance could also be those who have some curse on them are revered. Like turning into a mummy or Exp. But a death from a fallen building can't be undone
Oh my Gosh ypu know about code lyoko?!? The OG French show with a CGI Cat boy. Haven't watched the vid yet but did you notice similarities like, Hack san being the XANA logo or The Mirauclous ladybugs & return to the past working the same? You know how throughout the show they had to stop using the RTTP because it made Xana stronger? So it led to more consequences for the Lyoko warriors. I had a similiar idea for Miraculous. So Ladybug could use the Miraculous Ladybugs to repair everything for like a season & a half right. But each time she does it it puts the universe out of balance as there is not Enough destruction to make up for the amount of creation that Ladybug is doing. So to prevent the universe collapsing due to this imbalance, Ladybug stops using the Mirauclous Ladybugs to fix everything, leading to then more damage to Paris & Consequences for the main characters
Miraculous is what happens when a series goes on too long. I know people want another season of lyoko but this show demonstrates why thats a terrible idea. We all saw evolution.
I remember when I got applied for my first job as a courtesy clerk I was very nervous! I didn’t get much sleep I was trying to drink some stress free tea to ease the nervousness of everything going on! (It was scary!) So I was thinking about the theme for code lyoko (I never seen the show in my life) and I decided to watch the show myself! And it helped me through a lot! I became the best worker at my job and won employee of the year! I couldn’t thank this show enough for helping me through a very scary change!
Wow I didn't know Code Lyoko was translated in english ! The show is super popular in France among people my age, I'm really happy there are fans outside France. And well you sumerise the problem with Miraculous, there are no consequence. I liked the show at first but the more I watch it, the more disappointed I am.
I found 3 DVDs of Season 1 at a Hollywood Video, was just walking around the Video Store and it caught my eye, think I was 4 or something when I got them and I rented a DVD for S2 at my local Library then watched bit of S4 at my cousin's and friends house, basically became a fan since I was a toddler and watched those 3 DVDs which is funny.
Code Lyoko is my favorite show ever! It is soooo good. I wish I wasn't a brainless kid when I first saw it because back then I only really cared about the action but as an adult I can appreciate everything about the show from the dialogue to the humor, the romance, and of course, the stakes and just how dangerous Xana was as a cartoon villan. Like if Code Lyoko made a comeback now and was targeted to a young adult audience that sh*t would be absolutely INSANE!!! (They could do anything from a new season to a sequel series to a new generation thing, I'd religiously watch any of it!) It makes me happy to know there are still fans out there who love Code Lyoko. One day I hope it can return.
For anyone who's interested in more Code Lyoko content, I recommend you look into Code Lyoko Beyond. It's a fan continuation of the original show, using clever editing of clips from the original and Evolution as well as some.. surprises. It's currently putting out it's second season on TH-cam. For the animation, at times, I can easily tell that it's a fan creation, and other times I wonder how they make it so cool. The writing is great, and they go to great lengths to explain any animation inconsistencies and the undoing of the original finale. My biggest criticism is just the voice acting, which I will gladly overlook with it being fan-make. Otherwise, the soundtrack and sound effects mimic the show almost perfectly.
You can also compare the stakes of Miraculous Ladybug to DC comics, especially when doing Multiverses. I’m not going to pretend there aren’t problems, because there are, but you bet your biscuits there are stakes. Just to give you an idea of how high the steaks are: when Flash and Supergirl died in Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985-1986, they DIED. There was no bringing them back until 2004 for Supergirl and 2008 for Barry Allen. Now, whether it lessened the stakes is up for debate since that was when they began killing and bringing back major characters, but I’m focusing on destructions on the same scale as Miraculous Ladybug. During every Crisis, even Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths - which was terrible so no need to point that out - the stakes are there and you never get to save your own universe or Earth without cost. The higher the destruction, the higher the cost. Before Crisis on Infinite Earths, Dick Grayson became Nightwing without any hard feelings toward Batman and gladly passed down the mantle to Jason Todd, who had a similar backstory to Dick at the time (acrobat who lost his parents before Batman took him in and adopted him). Jason was also someone Dick knew personally and trusted. After Crisis on Infinite Earths, Jason Todd became a street kid that was taken in by Batman and became Robin without Dick’s consent, leading to bitterness between Bruce and Dick. Wally West aka Kid Flash became Flash in Barry’s place, the Justice League no longer knew each other’s secret identities, Lex Luthor’s past friendship with Superman no longer existed until post 2000s, Superman and Batman no longer had sons, Batman’s wife Talia became evil and I’d argue that Damian Wayne’s ten years of trauma became the result of Post-Crisis. Even the characters of the Justice League had changed. The stakes in Crisis on Infinite Earths were high and so was the cost. There was no bringing back Earth 0 to what it used to be. Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, while did not have as high of a cost, still led to the destruction of the Justice League. To this day, there is no Justice League in the DC comics. The Titians are DC’s current Justice League. You have some of the most powerful beings on Earth and not even they can lessen the stakes. They may still lose a lot and while I doubt Superman’s current son Jon isn’t going to be killed off if another Crisis happens or… something… you never know what other changes could happen if there’s another Crisis or Flashpoint that could turn your family into your worst enemy. It happened with Batman with Jason and it seems like something similar could happen to Superman. He once had an adopted son named Chris who I think was General Zod’s son. However, that was retconned after Jonathan Kent came into existence, so the character that was once the adopted son of Superman pre New 52 may end up becoming a new villain. These are stakes that I don’t see in Miraculous Ladybug and could really change a lot had they made the stakes and cost huge to that degree. Imagine if Mari changing everything back to normal resulted in losing her normal friends from school or becoming orphaned. Hell, imagine if Adrien started with having a loving father and mother, only to find that Mari using her power of creation to bring people back resulted in his mother being dead and his loving father being Hawk Moth. Not only would that be terrifying, but it means there’s no bringing back the people you’ve lost to what they once were. Also, if the creators want Ladybug and Cat keeping their secret identities from each other longer, that cost of bringing everyone back can be what leads to that. Ladybug doesn’t reveal her identity as Mari because she wants to be strong and not admit that she’s lost everything while Cat doesn’t reveal his so Ladybug doesn’t blame herself for replacing his parents with Hawk Moth.
I still find it crazy that Thomas worked on w.i.t.c.h. and then he dose MLB and it's just so crazy like I don't know what all he did on the show but maybe he should go back and re-watch it and look at some of the things they did with relationships and plot development and lower and learn
@@TheArtisticAloubell yeah he worked on 🟦it back when it was airing in the early 2000s I think he mainly worked on the second season from what I see people and I think it was a few years after that between 2007 and 8 that's when he came up with the idea for ladybug and he originally just wanted to do ladybug as a comic I kind of understand him as a person who creates and you kind of do hate seeing people criticized the thing you really love that you put years and years of working for 🟩 more than a decade but maybe if Thomas didn't block people and was a bit more open and maybe not to open about 🟪 certain things things will go better for him especially on social media when he tries to interact with the fans 🟪Like I don't think we needed to know that Marinette was a combination of himself and his ex-girlfriend he wanted to be with child he would imagine them having I don't think the fans need to know that I wish you would take cues from other writers for example the writes of Rwby Yeah over the years Reby hasn't had the best writing for the show 🟥But the two main writers who have been working on this show since the beginning when they interact with the fans it's fun they interact with them on Twitter and other 🟧 places and they do hear fans out when they ask about certain characters one of them even does cameos to answer questions about certain characters that they can't answer in the show because in the 🟨 show they don't have any filler episodes because they're trying to get the out within the small amount of episodes they have for the season which is usually somewhere 🟦 between 10-12 episodes and the episodes are usually only somewhere between 14-18 mins Rwby leaves you with cliffhangers they're actually interesting 🟫 cliffhangers when Thomas does that with miraculous ladybug some of them get contradicted and seemed unnecessary like looking back at season 5 when they got the rabbit miraculous when they got bunnixs 🟧 miraculous and then when they went to the past and they were there with masterful and he had all of them miraculouses they could have gone back in time and stopped 🟪 Marinette from becoming Penny bug at all but no they have to drag season 5 out for no reason with Gabriel's having all the miraculouses for no reason it was stupid And yeah the show Rwby dose this as wel l🟫 where if you go back and look some things are stupid and maybe shouldn't have been written in or certain characters shouldn't have been brought back cuz they waste time but at least you can actually feel 🟥 like the writers of the show are actually trying and are actually hearing the audience out with some of their criticisms and confusion but with Thomas is just anger annoyance he blocks people for the 🟧 simplest questions I saw somebody asked him a question about a character's birthday or something a few days ago and he blocked them 🟥I'm not sure if he's still going to make doing the main writing for the new seasons we're getting but I really hope he's not too involved with the new seasons like people have been telling me
not only that there are more stakes that happen in the virtual world in code lyoko that cannot be fixed with return to the past because lyoko is not effected by it. Not only that but if Ailita gets devirtualized in seasons 1-2 its jover for them. Speaking of Ailita she is the only one that can deactivate a tower so once season 2 hits getting her to lyoko can also be a challenge they have to face and xana does take advantage of this. In Miraculous, ladybug is the only one who can purify akumas but the show does nothing with this.
Everyone says the cgi of evolution is better but I think that it looks a lot worse. Like maybe the animation is better yes but I had a friend who tried convincing me the characters actually LOOKED better. I think their outfits and the models look horrid. Models style looks kind of off like an outside source trying to make some official content. The designs also felt like lazy versions of their season 4 designs which is just kind of lame to me. I already didn’t care for the outfit changes so… Like yeah evo has better animation and graphics but it doesn’t feel like code lyoko ti me.
As a french Code Lyoko was my childhood. I loved videos games at age 5 and and this was my sh°t. This show has a bit of anime vibe to it in a way, I mmean Aelita is a pink hair virtual waifu. The writing is great and at time Xana throw some very serious shout at the main party members. As for the animation it gets better overtime especially the 3D.
At least Marinette had learn to let go of Adrien (for awhile at least) but the same couldn't be said for Ulrich and Yumi. Ulrich did a lot things to Yumi not even Marinette would do with Adrien.
I feel like this goes without saying. Literally watch any single episode from either series and the difference is night and day. It's kinda sad given how much shared staff the two shows have.
I don't like Code Lyoko, but it does remind me of another animated show with a somewhat similar plot, called cyberchase. I like that show and i highly recommend it!
🖥️ Okay, now I've actually watched this and I have to say very well done video. I actually made a video on the same topic a few years ago on the same topic as well so its really nice to hear another perspective on the whole CL and Miraculous thing. I definitely agree with a lot of your points especially in regarss to stakes for the RTTP vs. Ladybug reversal deal. Good work.
0:31 All right to be fair back then 3-D animation was the next big thing in animation and back then it was rough like really rough but still it was revolutionary at the time years earlier the first 3-D animated half hour TV series reboot was made and well it had a better story than miraculous and after reboot there was transformers beast wars which was made by the same team behind reboot and also had an amazing story and both series the animation was much more outdated but here’s a thing at the time it was amazing And Beastwars gave us Dinobot The goat transformer of beast wars
![Lets redesign Marinette!! [this took 3 years to make]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cgXLx4jklZU/mqdefault.jpg)
The CGI animation may bet better in Miraculous than Code Lyoko, BUT I MUCH prefer the art style of Code Lyoko...foreheads and all. Not only is it more interesting to look at, but I don't get the awkward feeling I get watching Miraculous. Idk why but I just don't fully like how the character models look sometimes.
Also, things I didn't mention for why Code Lyoko is better:
1.) All of the main characters get proper spotlight. There isn't a creator's pet.
2.) There are appropriate consequences to bad behaviors.
3.) There is a bully-adjacent character named Sissi who sometimes can fill the role of Chloe. Sissi, while being the butt of a joke sometimes, is treated with more respect than Chloe.
4.) XANA is not a human and thus has no human emotion. It is much more cruel and won't hesitate to end someone; even children. There is no sympathy from it, you only feel fear. XANA is a worthy villain and the writers treat it like the awful being it is. Gabriel has such wishy-washy writing that we don't know what the writers want us to feel regarding him. Sometimes he's sympathetic and other times he's the worst person ever. Some might call him complex, others might say that's not complexity, that's bad writing. You can write a complex and morally grey character, but they didn't do it well with Gabe.
I'm sure there are more reasons XD
I also failed to mention that Code Lyoko's world, other than the supercomputer, is pretty modern for the time when it came out. Also, the main characters all live in a boarding school and thus have to deal with school drama from time to time just like they do in Miraculous.
And thus, the Code Lyoko characters gain extra complexity by having to deal with school and family drama along with keeping their secret of saving the world.
So while the similarities between Miraculous and Code Lyoko aren't that deep, they are they're. And I believe Code Lyoko just handles things better.
CODE LYOKO FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@bonniex20super I've...MAYBE seen it? I don't remember lol
You know, even if the overall 3D animation quality of Miraculous is better than what Code Lyoko had, I would hope that at least the latter was more consistent in its CGI quality than the former? Some of the episodes in Miraculous LITERALLY have unfinished rendering. That's one of the many, many things that made it frustrating to watch over time. 😬
Have you seen ninjago?
If not, pls watch it! And if you don't have the time, (i say this bc it has 15 seasons) watch the sequel,
Ninjago: Dragons Rising. (Which has only 1 season) I, personally, love it and i think it's really awesome❤
And funny enough Xana actually has also more complex characteristics to it bc at one point it sided with the heros to destroy a bigger enemy xDD
If I remember right (spoiler for anyone I guess) it was something Jeremy created that ended up almost destroying Lyoko
Xana was like 'nah fam u fucked up' and buddied with em to save the world, only to after go back to try destroy it 😂😂
Honestly Gabriel could never pull something like this
Xana is not stupid, it literally knows how to play it's cards when needed
The way the characters move in Miraculous never looks natural. It's too quick and bouncy for something that looks that realistic.
In my opinion, another reason why Code Lyoko is better than Miraculous was that while both series deal with romance shenanigans, but Code Lyoko's romance is more coherent and makes sense throughout the entire series than Miraculous.
Exactly
Jerlita is Adrienette done right
I mean they don't take ages with Jeremy and Aelita.
@@skelly_universe7215they did with Ulruch and Yumi, but at least it made sense
To be fair: Marinette has a giant forehead as well. It´s just not so noticeable cause of her hair.
XD Yeah I kind of noticed that when drawing her a few times! lol
Humans have gigant heads. On our foreheads many of us have the smartsbone which dogs have on the back of their heads. Our brain to body weight is 300% of expectations, and our neutenous features make it so our jaws are pathetically weak and have no place to ancor on top of the head making our heads smooth baloons.
I found main story repetitive, but Sissi is much better than Chloe, and Odd's Lyoko design is much cooler than Chat Noir's (black cat designs are too simple).
The story is a bit repetitive at first. Like I said it starts as very monster of the week (similarly to Miraculous). As time goes on, the plot becomes more relevant.
I think part of what makes Sissi better than Chloe is that Sissi never has an arc, she gets a few moments of pleasent suprise to prove she's better deep down then she acts (I remember her defending two younger kids from a XANA monster who she was being a bitch to earlyier in the episode) This means she's way less frustaiting to watch because she was never set up to be more, meaning she gets to run her fuction in show of being a minor IRL antagonist without any bagage (Also she never teams up with Xana or something equally dumb.)
@@playererror4044 I agree. Sissi was never 100% terrible, and while she did do awful things, she did help others without it having to be a 180.
@@playererror4044 I much prefer that over the treatment chloe gets and to be honest even if chloe was treated well she would unfortunately just be lumped in as just another we love marinette uwu like every character chloes in the wrong series
Why doe France have this thing with cat-man?
Plagg: “ I smell cheese…!”
Odd: “ Actually that’s just my feet- AH!!!”
Plagg: [Munches on Odd’s feet]
Adrien: “ PLAGG!!!”
I could easily give a ted talk on code lyoko... The episode when Jeremy goes to lyoko to save his friends from xana. Terrifying but perfect. And when Xana impersonates Franz hopper for the first time. That episode is a storytelling masterpiece. It deserves a chef's kiss. Plus Some of Odds jokes are actually funny when you hear them for the first time
this show is criminally underrated. the theme song will always be one of the best!
Yes!
Definetly even if i dom't understand much lyric it just has that feeling and essence that makes it so great.
The fictional band in Code Lyoko is so good too! We actually get original music, unlike with Miraculous where we are only told that Jagged Stone is a big rock star. The band in Code Lyoko is called Subdigitals and there is a playlist of their songs on TH-cam!
Fun Fact: Matthew Geczy who was English Dub voice of Odd, he the French dub voice of Jagged Stone
Bro I legit listened to subdigitals for a while. Angel of mine is peak
100% YES I loved Code Lyoko as a kid, the characters are great, like you said the stakes were actually HIGH and the theme song is freaking bop literally still play it to this day when I’m chilling.
I flinched when the XANA threat soundtrack popped up in the playlist
SAME!!!
Also the romance between Code Lyoko characters was better in my opinion. And not everyone had a ship. Like I don't remembere exactly, but pretty sure Odd never had a love interest. And I always liked the trope of "not too much of a trait". Umi was a strong and serious girl but never too much. She still cared for her friends, all of them, even in the times she and Ulrich were on negative sides. Jeremy was never too "nerdy". He knew when to get serious, when to get silly and when to show off knowledge. Aelita was never too soft. She was soft and sweet, but still brave and knew when to put her softness aside. Odd was a bit annoying but was still kind and friendly. He loved his dog too which I appreciate. Ulrich I remember as this strong and tough guy, but he was never too tough. He still respected Jeremy while in most media they would dislike each other probably. There was also that second guy I don't remember the name of. I believe he was like ex-villain or something? And while he was edgy, he wasn't too edgy. Just balanced enough.
Conclusion: in CL everyone had balanced traits.
Odd was a Casanova. He had dated and dumped almost every girl in school to the point where by the end none of them were interested in going out with him. I remember in the episode where he and Yumi got body-swapped, Ulrich had to remind him that night was when he was breaking up with one girl, and Odd remembered he was also breaking up with another girl.
@@cybertramon0012 The show aired years ago, you can forget stuff k?
@@skelly_universe7215 Ok, calm down. I was just letting you know what I remembered.
Controversial opinions only on this channel, but in all seriousness, Code Lyoko is better than Miraculous.
Two things to say about Lyoko:
1. I think the Forheads came about by someone missing hearing some some drawing advise, the forhead takes up 1 third of the skull, not 2 thirds.
2.Xana is a great frickin' villian, it never talks meaning it's actions have to speak for it, and it is so good at being a geniune threat and terror to our heroes.
Yeah uh, about the foreheads-
They were always meant to be that way. The original character designs date back to like 2000, where the original creators of the show made a short skit using some of the character designs that would be reused for code lyoko (they look the exact same), I’m pretty sure the short film was called “Les Enfants font leur cinéma”-
Even then, those character designs got reused for the EARLY WIP of Code Lyoko, called Garage Kids where we got the characters we know from the main show, artstyle still intact.
You can find both of the original projects that eventually became Code Lyoko on YT :)
I've honestly seen some people complain that some of XANA's attacks aren't even that threatening or a joke, mostly referencing that one episode where XANA possessed a giant teddy bear to wreak havoc. What they're forgetting is that it was said in the series that XANA starts very weak and got stronger after Aelita was materialized in the real world. That teddy bear episode was in the 1st season with XANA at its weakest before Aelita became human again. And as funny as it may sound to attack with some girls' teddy bear, it still managed to be a threat. After it got stronger that AI was practically trying to kill the kids almost every episode. In one episode, after William was introduced to the gang, it even took control of an electrician/engineer guy to plant actual bombs in the factory, and they had to rely on William's help to deactivate them. XANA is a dangerous threat, and it's kinda annoying when people who've watched the show and didn't like it or smth pretend like it's not.
@@evawhite1144 I'll always remember that time he trapped Odd in a well and very nearly drowned him.
@@evawhite1144 yeah, XANA got stronger with every return to the past travel. XANA knew about this so in one episode it took control of that program to repeat the same day over and over until it got powerful enough to control people.
@evawhite1144 "Xana is not a dangerous villian!"
Xana: would you like a satellite laser? Or better yet I can possess your friends and they can jump you. Oh you thought you were out numbered now. Watch me multiply indefinitely. I create mass because I am beyond physics. I will spawn creatures in your real world like I'm a creative mode god in minecraft and you're just on adventure mode
There are also similar code lyoko characters to miraculous
Odd as Cat Noir
Sissi as Chloe
Yumi as Kagami
Jeremy as Max
William as Marc
rose always struck me as a rip off aelita with the short hair, pink clothes, princess aesthetic, and for crying out loud rose even has pink wings on the back of her shirt
little on the nose there imo
I'm late, but I'd say William is rather a Luka. Just my opinion tho.
@@ecofinisher yeaaaa
One thing I *vastly* prefer between Code Lyoko and Miraculous is the friendship between the main girls.
Marinette and Alya are cute... When the writers allow it. But most of the time, Alya's characterization flips depending on the episode (especially the Lila ones), or Alya just enables Mari's worst traits further.
Wheras Yumi is *such* an MVP to the entire group, and always comes in clutch to help Aelita. Then in turn, Aelita grows as a person to help Yumi and everyone else out, especially in Sector 5. You don't need several "we're besties" scenes to know they've got each other's backs, and they don't get nosey into each other's love lives cause they trust the guys too.
Honestly, I actualy likes the giant forheads XD. It felt more unique andexpressive in it's own way.
I don't mind art that tries to be more acurate but I also apreciat more creative art that stands out. and Codeleoko stands out. If I was to update the the show I wouldn't change much, not even those interesting heads. IT JSUT WOULDN'T be the same.
True
There is no Lyoko without giant foreheads XD
I agree with that. It's part of its identity and has its charm.
I miss Code Lyoko. I watched the first 2 seasons when i was a kid which was in my language so the translation were a bit off.
Then got to the English version only to discover that it was originally French. Color me surprise.
And I adored the CGI. My cousins and me were always enamored whenever computer graphics were put on. But only because it was new.
Especially when it came to the Real Adventures of Jonny Quest. Looking back at it, we'd probably scoff and say it was terrible.
But yeah... that was our mindset.
And the opening soundtrack for Code Lyoko beats Miraculous Ladybug any day. I kinda skipped the Live-Action version as i didn't want to taint my childhood
with whatever the director had in store for it. Still remains one of the best cartoons of its time. God i feel old.
Also while Miraculous’s creator was more or less a complete a-hole to his fans. The Code Lyoko creators were very fan centric and were happy to except theories from them.
Oh that's so cool! 😁✨
Every show is better than miraculous ladytrash
Apart from "percy jackson" show from disney plus
Yey finally someone who talks about Code Lyoko after years! I always loved Code lyoko since I was a kid. Actually they have a few things in common lol. THey both have a beautiful theme song, they are both in middle school (I think) they are both french, and yes Hacksan IS Xana!! And the Return to the past/Miracolous ladybug power lol.
I was so desperate to get back home after school everyday just to watch Code Lyoko, I couldn't get enough of it, and me and my friends would pretend to play Code Lyoko during recess, it was so much fun😁
Even if the episodes were the same plot of *"Xana attack of the week"* , I never got bored of them. And I agree that the writing in CL is better than MLB, cause as you said we see how the CL characters have to struggle in not only saving the world but also dealing with school and family problems that felt realistic that fans could relate to them. Meanwhile MLB handles their problems as if there weren't any to begin with, OR they do show them but it's handled poorly.
And let's not forget there were a few rare episodes that they couldn't use the *"returned to the past"* and had to figure out how to deal with the aftermath of Xana's attack, and their school and family problems on their own, now that is good story telling.
The main 5 were truly written very well, each of them were different in their own way and had their own spotlight from time to time that allowed us to get to know them better and grow to like them more. Unlike MLB with their main focus on their mascot *cough* Marinette *cough*
And sometimes they would show the main 5 having conflicts with one another and also themselves that the series did a good job in how they handled those problems which gave good development in their characters, that you can truly appreciate the unique friendship they have.
What I found adorable is how Ulrich and Odd called Aelita "princess" and how protective they're of her that shows that it really is possible for boys and girls to be just friends.
Jeremy and Aelita were basically the parents of the group that kept everyone in check, and they had the most healthy relationship that I have ever seen, heck practically everyone called them "Mr. & Mrs. Einstein" and it didn't bother them because they actually like it, they are practically married without goign through all the ridiculous drama.
And let me tell you, Yumi and Ulrich were my ultimate ship that I was practically screaming for them to hurry up and get together already. They KNOW that they like each other but as always the writers enjoy making us suffer of the trope of *"will they/won't they"* , and it still remain that way to the last episode, which still frustrates me till today.
And let's not forget of how Odd and Kiwi were the emotional support of the group that always kept them positive and find the fun in every situation, that was truly much appreciated.
CL may not be perfect but it did a great job in keeping us long time fans still love the show even till today.
Thanks again for the video Alou
God bless you 🙏🏼 💻
Wow! Such a great review and analysis! You added in points I didn't have time to get into, and even some things I forgot. So thanks for that 🩷
Code Lyoko Evolution sounds like an instant where they could have taken inspiration from the original show and made something new.
Reboot; the Show got a similar treatment
Got a new show it was dog water and we don't talk about it
@r.connor9280 I haven't seen that but from what I heard about it. I stood clear from it.
@@Filmrot-ml2cg Just watch the original and sorry about the cliffhanger
For Code Lyoko I always did like Yumi/William as one of my ships as a child. What I didn’t like in S2 was how Jeremy treated Aelita so I liked more of Odd/Aelita. Each season did get interesting & how it felt different. For the reboot I’m glad they ended in 1 season bc it doesn’t have the charm like the cartoon.
Miraculous is only good when it’s from SAMG or any high quality studios. Others do make it worse & unbearable to watch at times. This is why I wish the show had the creativity to go dark & talk/show those topics. Heck even make it PG-13 since the main audience is adults.
12:00 I find when shows make nods to other IPs like this, it's to create the possibility that they _might_ be set in the same universe which opens the door for a possible crossover somewhere down the line.
Fanfiction writers of _both_ fandoms, to your keyboards!! :3. 💻.
I think, in my opinion, the main reason the relationship/romance between Ulrich Stern and Yumi Ishiyama in Code Lyoko is better than that of Marinette and Adrienne, is because it never reaches "creepy territory". Yeah, Yumi and Ulrich did have some disagreements and fights here and there, as is expected of two teenagers who have to shuffle between their studies at the academy and their secret identities as heroes who have to save the world. They fought sometimes, if I remember correctly, they even kissed a few times, but at the end both of them agreed that it'd be better to stay just friends, which is fine if that's what they want. With Marinette and Adrienne, it's true that they also have school and secret hero identities, their relationship does veer into "creepy" territory", cause from what I've heard, there’s a period where Marinette basically becomes a stalker? Stalking Adrienne, getting jealous if any other girl talks or even looks at him, and wanting him all to herself. And her entire character also starts spinning around trying to get his love, which doesn't happen with Yumi. With Yumi, we do get to see the other struggles of her life, such as: her semi dysfunctional family situation, her relationship with her younger brother Hiroki (which is cool, cause Hiroki is a very minor character, that we get to see some of her sibling bond with him). Her relationship with Aelita as friends and besties, and her supposed "rivalry" with the popular girl Sissy over Ulrich is never toxic, cause Yumi doesn’t even bother to compete with Sissi over the boy, cause obtaining Ulrich's love and affection isn’t even something her character thinks about a lot in every chapter, where that is a main point of Marinette's personality (getting the boy). That's why Ulrich/Yumi is better, and Yumi is also a better character than Marinette. And if Yumi, the "secondary heroine/girl" of the show is better than her, at this point I think it'd be unfair to compare Marinette to Aelita, lmao.
the original cast even wanna buy back rights to code lyoko and reboot it or continue it,which is amazing.
Code Lyoko does its villains so better and XANA William in Season 3 Finale to Season 4 really gave us a sympathetic villain who's a teenager human in a XANAfication and doesnt know he's in it or under XANA's control with an Evolved one people think of, also his Battle theme with ofc variations is so good, the creators have different moods in S4 where the instruments and vocals will be different. Also CL taught me of stuff like Seige of Carthage waaaay back when I was a kid so can't think less of the show if it taught me a historical moment and names including Scipio at a young age.
Yes that's my favorite show as a kid! That is my child hood. Yes code lyoko. I bought a copy of the theme song so I can listen to it on my phone. Thank you Aloubell!
Thank you for watching
🖥️ Code Lyoko will always have a place in my heart for being a kids show that was able to be lighthearted but knew how to balance it with other stuff such as action, character development, and reasonable stakes, wish we had more of this nowadays.
Wow. The good concepts of Miraculous mixed with a concept from TMNT 2003’s seventh season aka Back To The Sewers. Cool 💻
I hate the fact that the evolution was left with a big cliffhanger, I remember watching cl evolution somewhere in 2013 or 2014 and waiting for the second season to air but then I found out that evolution was to hated bc it was a live action, but in my opinion CL evolution is better than a terrible ripoff *reboot the guardian code*
XANA was always a unique villain, considering the fact that he was a villain who had no face or even a voice, he showed that he was a dangerous threat simply through actions, no words, just simply getting to the point of his motivations, unlike others villains who just either waste time on explaining their evil plans or just capture the heroes but don't kill them, XANA does not hesitant at all to kill and destroy anyone who get in his way, he will always go for the kill, he's a direct villain, a trait that's rare in villains.
Actually we hear through the Spectre in Fight To The Finish XANA's voice is very deep and demonic, that's heard through those possessed like William and those Amazon Jungle Rainforest Facility workers who dont have names, the closest we get more to XANAs voice.
Absolutely 100 perfect agree on "A World without Danger"
I grew up with the instrumental version. Love how the beginning sounds akin to a computer starting up.
Got so much better when i found out there was a lyrical version.
Code Lyoko is actually one of the shows I'm planning to watch after (or while) I watch The Ghost and Molly Mcgee, Stoked!, 6teen, detentionaire, and Huntik
Well if you ever get around to it, the whole series is up on TH-cam ^0^
One thing I would complain about is that there is a lot of moaning sounds in this show. I never noticed it when it was airing because I was in elementary school when it first aired, but I was watching a playlist of episodes a few years back because I was feeling nostalgic and was reading the comments. So many people were pointing out that the kids made those sounds A LOT throughout the show. A lot of it was out of place as well.😳
Been rewatching some old cartoons (especially rc9gn) and realised everything miraculous does, another show just does better. Why should I sit down and watch one show that does everything to varrying degrees of mediocre, instead of watching multiple shows that excell in various areas.
I agree, also it was considered a underrated gem!
I haven't seen Code Lyoko in years, but I agree it's better than Miraculous.
Hey since we're talking about France 🇫🇷 have any of you heard of Franco-Belgian comics like Asterix or Tintin?
Heard of Tintin, never read it. I didn't know it was French!
Loved reading Tintin, one of the first comics I tried to ready beginning to end
Well, their is one thing in code lyoko and that is them moans, i challenge you to find one code lyoko episode were their isnt any moans, but other than that love this show. 💻
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I'll watch this later but you're right and you should say it.
Day 2 of asking Aloubell to watch owl house (My other comments didn’t go through so I’m still on day 2)
Damn straight. That show was a favorite of mine back when I was a kid. Funny enough, Thomas Astruc worked on this show years before he created Miraculous.
I've watched all the episodes of the original. It's almost similar to the 1993 Gridman series.
Who the heck died before return to the past? I cannot for the life of me remember any character, aside from Yumi falling in the digital sea on Lyoko, dieing before the return to the past function was activated in the real world. And i am usually very good at remembering that stuff.
Also i think more stakes would exist in Miraculous if the comraderie between Ladybug and Chat Noir was allowed to be explored more. Miraculous Ladybug the power is essentially the wish without the monkey's paw effect meaning any damage has to be erased and/or repaired. So i feel like it should be a type of power that requires the weilders of the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous to use together. And the purifying of Akumas and Amoks should be a power that Chat Noir posesses as it should theorhetically destroy the negative influences that are infused in the butterfly and feather. The power to purify comes at a cost to Chat Noir though as without a way to rid the negative influences he could turn into Chat Blanc which can lead to Ladybug creating the Magical charms that repel the Akumas and Amoks from whomever holds it. Creating something new out of the dark power that made the amoks and akumas. Their powers need to constantly balance out each other or it could lead to disaster if Cataclysm or Lucky Charm is over used.
This structure would be so much better as it would leave Ladybug with Lucky Charm and later the creation of Magical Charms, Chat Noir with Cataclysm and give him the purification ability, and a "miraculous Ladybug" power for the both of them that could maybe have a wider range or do more to bring things back to normal the more that the holders of the Ladybug and Black cat Miraculous are on the same page, and are more synchronized in their efforts.
No one died before return to the past. But that's part of the point I was making. The show SUPER emphasized that if anyone did die before return to the past, they stay dead. This keeps stakes high but on a writing standpoint, keeps both writers and animators responsible for not making XANA's destruction so overly outrageous (like in Miraculous) where logic says that someone absolutely did die, but have the death either reversed or ignored via Return to the Past. Of course, in doing this you technically take away part of the worry because you're pretty certain that the show won't kill anyone off (this being a kids show), but still providing just enough suspense that you're never sure if they'll actually decide to go through with it or not.
All of that is to say that the writers and animators had a lot to balance and did a good job creating tension regardless of going through with the deed or not.
@@TheArtisticAloubell ok fair enough. I just kept hearing this outside the video and was confused if it meant the side characters. The ones who hadn't been on Lyoko. I can understand the main 5 plus William but the way people describe it makes it seem like Sissi, Hiroki, Jim, Mrs. Hertz and any of the other side characters could not be saved if they were killed before the main characters trigger return to the past. That is all i was confused about because of the wording of the rules for return to the past and how it is the same wording that a lot of sources and fans used.
Side note: am i the only one thinking that there is a continuity error with Cold War? The episode where XANA Triggers a freaking Ice Age to kill everyone and just as things were warming up, Yumi was implied to be dead before the return to the past? Not only because she along with everyone else was freezing to death but also because she saved Ulrich from a tree that collapsed from the cold?
@@sevenequalsoneheart6710 I just looked it up and apparently it was confirmed in the episodes "Teddyzilla" as well as "False Start" that Return to the Past cannot bring ANYONE back to life. Not the heroes or side characters.
I think there are times where one can interpret contradictions, like you pointed out with Yumi. But TECHNICALLY, you can add reasonable doubt that unless we see someone destroyed or know that someone's heart is stopped, they aren't dead.
They can be nearly dead, but not dead.
@@TheArtisticAloubell fair.
No, you right. Also, everyone and their big ass Android 17 and 17 ass foreheads. Love it!
THAT'S TRUE. They have Android foreheads XD I wonder if they were the inspiration for the style??? Because the eye shape in Code Lyoko is also very reminiscent of the DBZ Androids...
Tbh I think one of the only things that put Code Lyoko down is how they handled William,they sure did him dirty😭
There was also another french CGI show where main cast have black suit with colorful stripes on it one of them was an alien in disguise
That was the *Monster Buster Club*
Aloe even kids fanfiction is better than mlb not just code lyoko literally anything is better
Obviously better
TH-cam keeps auto-deleting my comments for some reason, but I second the multiple comments on this video recommending Code Lyoko Beyond. It's writing is absolutely superb, and it does a great job of addressing some of the unanswered questions from the original series.
Hey Aloubell
Even though i really like miraculous Ladybug, i agree with the things that you said 😊😅
And i ' ve never heard of this Show but perhaps i will watch it 👀 💻
You should totally check it out! The episodes are up on TH-cam ^^
@@TheArtisticAloubell I will, thank you for saying it ☺️
💻 I haven’t watched much of the show, but I really enjoyed it! Thank you for making a video about Code Lyoko!
Thank YOU for watching! ^0^
In the episode Killer Music, in Code Lyoko, there is a scene with someone being loaded into an ambulance covered in a white sheet, indicating they passed. It is hinted in the episode that there were multiple deaths as a result of that Xana attack and Odd being put in a coma-like state in which he survived.
something that code lyoko does really well and leagues beyond miraculous ladybug is character perks and flaws. the main cast of code lyoko has distinct personalities with their own strengths and weaknesses and their selfish actions are always met with consequences that fit the narrative
- jeremie was a literal genius but his weaker physical state and lack of combat experience against xana made him the primary target (other than aelita) of xana’s attacks
- ulrich was the best fighter and had a strong moral compass, but his jealousy and love for yumi is a constant point of conflict between him and his friends as it makes him act irrationally. he even got temporarily kicked from the group due to using the return to the past to rig the freakin lottery just for yumi and her family
- odd was the jokester and never failed to make anyone smile. he wasn’t that smart but he was insanely creative and had an out of the box thinking that the rest of the group lacked, but he was the most immature out of the group and a huge show off, getting the group into trouble multiple times
- aelita was naive but she was kind and the most emphatic of the group. however, she was shown to be a brat and rebel, often doing her own thing and not considering what consequences her actions could bring about, again playing into her naivety
- yumi was the most mature and grounded of the characters, acting as the leader more often than not. she was also the most stubborn and headstrong and it often caused discourse among the group
marinette has like one flaw? she’s clumsy?? and even as ladybug that goes away. her one major fuck up is when she wasn’t paying attention and gabriel got the miraculous from her. one could argue her love for adrien is a major character flaw (which her obsession is creepy) but never once has it been played off as anything other than cute or endearing that she knows him so well and it’s so funny cause haha she’s in love uwu
i still enjoy watching miraculous, the cgi is much smoother, the voice acting is so much better (like it’s been 17 years and i still cannot forgive jeremys english va for that rollercoaster of a journey she went on to find the right pitch for his voice) and the character designs can be pretty good (especially the akumatized ones) but code lyoko is a much better show as a whole
While I do prefer miraculousis 3d animation compared to code lyoko because CGI back in the day was pretty good except for the code but that's about it. That the villain tried different things instead of using the same move but adding a little spice to it unlike monarch and also like you already said competent and his character wasn't ruined it for him to be a better villain consistent plot with actual continuity a power system that makes sense, characters that are actually different that aren't just nice all the time, betcha choreography in fights despite having a worse engine, and not the last one but most importantly our main character isn't a stalker and also the characters are treated equally. Ladybug literally copied Randy Cunningham and even though the story could have really been better and had less screen time it's still a better show with a better show
It always was better actually.
I watched code Lyoko because my sister hated the art style I liked it
Yeah I watched Code Lyoko as a kid, and even though I didn't see too much, it was really memorable and I have nostalgia for it.
code lyoko was so iconic, repetitive but the episodes had me on the edge of my seat as a kid. Miraculous has so much potential but because the head writer doesn't want to improve and is more concerned about is favorite oc the the story is all over the place and I dont care for the characters like should. The show feel more like the miraculous tale of ladybug and not the miraculous tales of LB and CN. The show is dragging out and no consequences for LB, the show is boring and more annoying these days.
Miraculous is the only magical girl show Ive ever watched. How ever Ive played Hyperdimension Neptunia where all the main characters are girls and have magicalgirl transformations. And I must say one is infinitely superior to the other. In Neptunia there are not takebacksies, I cried when in the cursed sword ending of the second game Nepgear had to kill all her friends. Why Noire!? Why did you have to commit suacide by Nepgear making it so winning by power of friendship was no impossible and victory could only be achieved by further empowering Gehaburn...
The song founds familiar, but Im prity sure Ive never watched this show.
miraculous show: :(. I don't like it. It's a story telling nightmare and you can tell there's no plan.
Season 1: almost SpongeBob like except it's not intended to be funny and they want it to be serious.. no important plot you can skip it and start season 2 and you won't miss anything at all important. Villain of the day color wheel spin.
Season 2: the most important season and the best season.very serious show. An actual story arc But oh shit they forgot hawk moth can't be eliminated yet cause he's the big bad so cue cheap escape at the end of the season and they pretend this was always the plan.
Season 3: a mess of confusing nonsense. No plan just a cheap cover up for the fact they had no plan for after hawk moth so they let him escape last season. Drags on boring arcs covered in previous seasons. And doesn't make sense.
Season 4 has two jobs. Fix the mess that is season 3 and prepare for the finale that is season 5.
Season 5. A really long and drawn out finale for the show
World Paris special. : click bait content to get you to watch the next seasons they're working one. They put unusually good quality in this one special.. pretty much click bait and empty promises.
My opinion.. :( terrible show, cheap modern day cliches, unoriginal, And very boring plot and the producers make endless excuses for the flaws even though the show has run for 7 years..
And the jokes on us because hawkmoth is gone but now there's another hawkmoth so it's different.. no it's no we are simply swapping one hawkmoth for another
Bro is spittin facts right now
💻🖥️ Code Lyoko, thank you for being a part of mine and my brother's childhoods.
It's my childhood favourite cartoon 🥰
Code lyoko got the antagonist aswell, as miraculous's antagonist are villian of the week and dont have much personality nor does it feel like a real threat
Spoiler for code lyoko
Code lyoko did an amazing job at making william the antagonist, dont get me wrong the main villain is still XANA but william was a great antagonist, (cant say the same thing about him as a hero, he deserved better)
Like when william came to screen with his iconic theme song you knew things were about to go down, and he was a very good fighter, ususal beating the entire group all by himself, and even going against 2v1 and still winning, usually the lyoko warriors only win against by stragety or sheer numbers.
He was *great* as an antagonist.
Between miraculous ladybug's antagonist and code lyoko's, william is the only one who got me saying "oh shit!" When they came to screen.
when williams theme is on shit is getting real its also amazing
11:15 Just to let you know, i'm watching this on my laptop.💻
Pure facts and this is from a late bloomer for Lyoko
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16:47 Hmm, what if there's a horror AU taking place in the old timeline, with a civilian who's left behind and trapped in the remains of the outdated world (after Gabriel's wish)? Survival will be crucial there.
Also my sister owns an Aelita action figure in our home, I hope it's still there. She used to be a big fan of the show. I'm not so sure if she enjoys the official version of Miraculous.
🖥 Mmmmmh ok, ok Aloe. I will say that you have definitely made me intrigued about this show. 👀 I do remember watching commercials for it and everything, but never properly watched it. I was like 4 to 8 at the time, so I can't remember if it was because they never aired it at a convenient time for me, because it looked too serious for my taste back then, or because at the time I preferred to watch more colorful stuff. Maybe a combination of all of that xD
I definitely agree that despite the artstyle being, well, peculiar, it is DEFINITELY recognizable. I immediately remembered it the moment I saw it despite never properly tuning in, and I can respect it when an artstyle has its unique identity. 😋
Also, STAKES! That thing about not bringing people back from the death despite turning back time immediately makes things feel much more real! And if that show was able to handle it well, age restrictions limitations and all, I bet so could've Miraculous. That combined with everything else you mentioned definitely makes me intrigued about it. I can't promise I'll watch it very soon, but it is now on my radar. 😉
Thank you for checking out this video despite not watching Code Lyoko! I'm glad I've peaked your interest 😁
All the episodes are up on TH-cam if you wanna watch it one day x3
@@TheArtisticAloubell Ooh! Thanks for letting me know. That'll make things much easier xD
5:40 this is mainly just a season 1 issue as if I remember correctly Code Lyoko as a concept was born way before the actual main plot was finalized so a lot of season 1 episodes end up feeling like their own thing not really connected to anything for the narrative to start picking up down the line as time went on, things that happened in previous episodes start to get brought up and the episodes begin to feel more connected.
Code Lyoko's episode 1 takes place as if its just another routine day as if the stage has already been set and the characters have been doing this for at least some time whereas the prologue episode that was released way later into the show's runtime serves as what should be the actual introduction into this world instead of being thrown right into the middle of it like how season 1 did.
Season 1 and watching the episodes in chronological release order could really hurt the viewing from a new viewer perspective to the point someone could probably have 2 different initial impressions of the show depending if they decided to watch Teddy Godzilla (episode 1) vs XANA Awakens (prologue) first.
These days anything's better than Miraculous Ladybug. Batman TAS was better than Miraculous Ladybug. The TMNT show from the 80s was better than Miraculous Ladybug. The webcomics I posted on Comic Fury was better than Miraculous Ladybug.
Actually not all the secrets and things were resolved in Code Lyoko, Evolution tried but left even more stuff unresolved.
Fair enough!
A way they could have delt with being revived in mlb is the trauma, or how awful an akumatized victim feels. They hurt people, or they're the one getting hurt
A balance could also be those who have some curse on them are revered. Like turning into a mummy or Exp. But a death from a fallen building can't be undone
Oh my Gosh ypu know about code lyoko?!? The OG French show with a CGI Cat boy.
Haven't watched the vid yet but did you notice similarities like, Hack san being the XANA logo or The Mirauclous ladybugs & return to the past working the same?
You know how throughout the show they had to stop using the RTTP because it made Xana stronger? So it led to more consequences for the Lyoko warriors.
I had a similiar idea for Miraculous.
So Ladybug could use the Miraculous Ladybugs to repair everything for like a season & a half right.
But each time she does it it puts the universe out of balance as there is not Enough destruction to make up for the amount of creation that Ladybug is doing.
So to prevent the universe collapsing due to this imbalance, Ladybug stops using the Mirauclous Ladybugs to fix everything,
leading to then more damage to Paris & Consequences for the main characters
Miraculous is what happens when a series goes on too long. I know people want another season of lyoko but this show demonstrates why thats a terrible idea. We all saw evolution.
Level Up actually does a little better as a LA sequel to CL especially with the more lively environments.
Oh and also and actually helpful mentor
I remember when I got applied for my first job as a courtesy clerk I was very nervous!
I didn’t get much sleep I was trying to drink some stress free tea to ease the nervousness of everything going on! (It was scary!)
So I was thinking about the theme for code lyoko (I never seen the show in my life) and I decided to watch the show myself!
And it helped me through a lot!
I became the best worker at my job and won employee of the year!
I couldn’t thank this show enough for helping me through a very scary change!
Wow I didn't know Code Lyoko was translated in english ! The show is super popular in France among people my age, I'm really happy there are fans outside France.
And well you sumerise the problem with Miraculous, there are no consequence. I liked the show at first but the more I watch it, the more disappointed I am.
I found 3 DVDs of Season 1 at a Hollywood Video, was just walking around the Video Store and it caught my eye, think I was 4 or something when I got them and I rented a DVD for S2 at my local Library then watched bit of S4 at my cousin's and friends house, basically became a fan since I was a toddler and watched those 3 DVDs which is funny.
Alou i saw starlight grimmer in your code lyoko is BETTER than miraculous ladybug❤❤❤❤❤
Code Lyoko is my favorite show ever! It is soooo good. I wish I wasn't a brainless kid when I first saw it because back then I only really cared about the action but as an adult I can appreciate everything about the show from the dialogue to the humor, the romance, and of course, the stakes and just how dangerous Xana was as a cartoon villan. Like if Code Lyoko made a comeback now and was targeted to a young adult audience that sh*t would be absolutely INSANE!!!
(They could do anything from a new season to a sequel series to a new generation thing, I'd religiously watch any of it!)
It makes me happy to know there are still fans out there who love Code Lyoko. One day I hope it can return.
For anyone who's interested in more Code Lyoko content, I recommend you look into Code Lyoko Beyond. It's a fan continuation of the original show, using clever editing of clips from the original and Evolution as well as some.. surprises. It's currently putting out it's second season on TH-cam.
For the animation, at times, I can easily tell that it's a fan creation, and other times I wonder how they make it so cool. The writing is great, and they go to great lengths to explain any animation inconsistencies and the undoing of the original finale. My biggest criticism is just the voice acting, which I will gladly overlook with it being fan-make. Otherwise, the soundtrack and sound effects mimic the show almost perfectly.
You can also compare the stakes of Miraculous Ladybug to DC comics, especially when doing Multiverses. I’m not going to pretend there aren’t problems, because there are, but you bet your biscuits there are stakes. Just to give you an idea of how high the steaks are: when Flash and Supergirl died in Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985-1986, they DIED. There was no bringing them back until 2004 for Supergirl and 2008 for Barry Allen. Now, whether it lessened the stakes is up for debate since that was when they began killing and bringing back major characters, but I’m focusing on destructions on the same scale as Miraculous Ladybug.
During every Crisis, even Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths - which was terrible so no need to point that out - the stakes are there and you never get to save your own universe or Earth without cost. The higher the destruction, the higher the cost. Before Crisis on Infinite Earths, Dick Grayson became Nightwing without any hard feelings toward Batman and gladly passed down the mantle to Jason Todd, who had a similar backstory to Dick at the time (acrobat who lost his parents before Batman took him in and adopted him). Jason was also someone Dick knew personally and trusted.
After Crisis on Infinite Earths, Jason Todd became a street kid that was taken in by Batman and became Robin without Dick’s consent, leading to bitterness between Bruce and Dick. Wally West aka Kid Flash became Flash in Barry’s place, the Justice League no longer knew each other’s secret identities, Lex Luthor’s past friendship with Superman no longer existed until post 2000s, Superman and Batman no longer had sons, Batman’s wife Talia became evil and I’d argue that Damian Wayne’s ten years of trauma became the result of Post-Crisis. Even the characters of the Justice League had changed.
The stakes in Crisis on Infinite Earths were high and so was the cost. There was no bringing back Earth 0 to what it used to be. Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, while did not have as high of a cost, still led to the destruction of the Justice League. To this day, there is no Justice League in the DC comics. The Titians are DC’s current Justice League. You have some of the most powerful beings on Earth and not even they can lessen the stakes. They may still lose a lot and while I doubt Superman’s current son Jon isn’t going to be killed off if another Crisis happens or… something… you never know what other changes could happen if there’s another Crisis or Flashpoint that could turn your family into your worst enemy. It happened with Batman with Jason and it seems like something similar could happen to Superman. He once had an adopted son named Chris who I think was General Zod’s son. However, that was retconned after Jonathan Kent came into existence, so the character that was once the adopted son of Superman pre New 52 may end up becoming a new villain.
These are stakes that I don’t see in Miraculous Ladybug and could really change a lot had they made the stakes and cost huge to that degree. Imagine if Mari changing everything back to normal resulted in losing her normal friends from school or becoming orphaned. Hell, imagine if Adrien started with having a loving father and mother, only to find that Mari using her power of creation to bring people back resulted in his mother being dead and his loving father being Hawk Moth. Not only would that be terrifying, but it means there’s no bringing back the people you’ve lost to what they once were. Also, if the creators want Ladybug and Cat keeping their secret identities from each other longer, that cost of bringing everyone back can be what leads to that. Ladybug doesn’t reveal her identity as Mari because she wants to be strong and not admit that she’s lost everything while Cat doesn’t reveal his so Ladybug doesn’t blame herself for replacing his parents with Hawk Moth.
I still find it crazy that Thomas worked on w.i.t.c.h. and then he dose MLB and it's just so crazy like I don't know what all he did on the show but maybe he should go back and re-watch it and look at some of the things they did with relationships and plot development and lower and learn
Oh wow he worked on W.I.T.C.H? Didn't know that. Interesting!
@@TheArtisticAloubell yeah he worked on 🟦it back when it was airing in the early 2000s I think he mainly worked on the second season from what I see people and I think it was a few years after that between 2007 and 8 that's when he came up with the idea for ladybug and he originally just wanted to do ladybug as a comic
I kind of understand him as a person who creates and you kind of do hate seeing people criticized the thing you really love that you put years and years of working for
🟩 more than a decade but maybe if Thomas didn't block people and was a bit more open and maybe not to open about
🟪 certain things things will go better for him especially on social media when he tries to interact with the fans
🟪Like I don't think we needed to know that Marinette was a combination of himself and his ex-girlfriend he wanted to be with child he would imagine them having I don't think the fans need to know that
I wish you would take cues from other writers for example the writes of Rwby
Yeah over the years Reby hasn't had the best writing for the show
🟥But the two main writers who have been working on this show since the beginning when they interact with the fans it's fun they interact with them on Twitter and other
🟧 places and they do hear fans out when they ask about certain characters one of them even does cameos to answer questions about certain characters that they can't answer in the show because in the
🟨 show they don't have any filler episodes because they're trying to get the out within the small amount of episodes they have for the season which is usually somewhere
🟦 between 10-12 episodes and the episodes are usually only somewhere between 14-18 mins Rwby leaves you with cliffhangers they're actually interesting
🟫 cliffhangers when Thomas does that with miraculous ladybug some of them get contradicted and seemed unnecessary like looking back at season 5 when they got the rabbit miraculous when they got bunnixs
🟧 miraculous and then when they went to the past and they were there with masterful and he had all of them miraculouses they could have gone back in time and stopped
🟪 Marinette from becoming Penny bug at all but no they have to drag season 5 out for no reason with Gabriel's having all the miraculouses for no reason it was stupid
And yeah the show Rwby dose this as wel
l🟫 where if you go back and look some things are stupid and maybe shouldn't have been written in or certain characters shouldn't have been brought back cuz they waste time but at least you can actually feel
🟥 like the writers of the show are actually trying and are actually hearing the audience out with some of their criticisms and confusion but with Thomas is just anger annoyance he blocks people for the
🟧 simplest questions I saw somebody asked him a question about a character's birthday or something a few days ago and he blocked them
🟥I'm not sure if he's still going to make doing the main writing for the new seasons we're getting but I really hope he's not too involved with the new seasons like people have been telling me
not only that there are more stakes that happen in the virtual world in code lyoko that cannot be fixed with return to the past because lyoko is not effected by it. Not only that but if Ailita gets devirtualized in seasons 1-2 its jover for them.
Speaking of Ailita she is the only one that can deactivate a tower so once season 2 hits getting her to lyoko can also be a challenge they have to face and xana does take advantage of this.
In Miraculous, ladybug is the only one who can purify akumas but the show does nothing with this.
Everyone says the cgi of evolution is better but I think that it looks a lot worse. Like maybe the animation is better yes but I had a friend who tried convincing me the characters actually LOOKED better. I think their outfits and the models look horrid. Models style looks kind of off like an outside source trying to make some official content. The designs also felt like lazy versions of their season 4 designs which is just kind of lame to me. I already didn’t care for the outfit changes so…
Like yeah evo has better animation and graphics but it doesn’t feel like code lyoko ti me.
As a french Code Lyoko was my childhood. I loved videos games at age 5 and and this was my sh°t. This show has a bit of anime vibe to it in a way, I mmean Aelita is a pink hair virtual waifu. The writing is great and at time Xana throw some very serious shout at the main party members. As for the animation it gets better overtime especially the 3D.
At least Marinette had learn to let go of Adrien (for awhile at least) but the same couldn't be said for Ulrich and Yumi. Ulrich did a lot things to Yumi not even Marinette would do with Adrien.
I feel like this goes without saying. Literally watch any single episode from either series and the difference is night and day. It's kinda sad given how much shared staff the two shows have.
I don't like Code Lyoko, but it does remind me of another animated show with a somewhat similar plot, called cyberchase. I like that show and i highly recommend it!
Can you make more Code Lyoko videos? Maybe talk about things like the characters' arcs, the look of the digital world, and so on. Both good and bad.
Code: Lyoko is a good show I enjoyed watching in my teen years. Good stuff.
But the magic fix is also used in power rangers that once they defeat the villain everything goes back to normal just like miraculous ladybug
🖥️ Okay, now I've actually watched this and I have to say very well done video. I actually made a video on the same topic a few years ago on the same topic as well so its really nice to hear another perspective on the whole CL and Miraculous thing.
I definitely agree with a lot of your points especially in regarss to stakes for the RTTP vs. Ladybug reversal deal. Good work.
Thank you very much ^0^
I love Code Lyoko, and enjoy Miraculous Ladybug just the same. Fantastic discussion.
Odd fans raise your hand 🖐
0:31 All right to be fair back then 3-D animation was the next big thing in animation and back then it was rough like really rough but still it was revolutionary at the time years earlier the first 3-D animated half hour TV series reboot was made and well it had a better story than miraculous and after reboot there was transformers beast wars which was made by the same team behind reboot and also had an amazing story and both series the animation was much more outdated but here’s a thing at the time it was amazing And Beastwars gave us Dinobot The goat transformer of beast wars
Oh my God. Lady bugs outfit is even worse then Odds cat costume...
We have so many great shows in France, it's a shame that only Ladybug really took off.