The TV station's policy of reusing the same recording tapes to record so many different TV programs as a cost-saving measure during the 60s was definitely regrettable. So many episodes of TOTP were easily lost bcoz of that.
The Beatles also mimed to their classic "B" Side "Rain" on that broadcast. What were the producers of Top of The Pops thinking? What a dereliction of duty! I'm glad that Germany's "Beat Club" preserved their footage.
The Australian band Easybeats had their performance on Top of The Pops preserved on a film reel copy, which was discovered only a few years back. They performed roughly the same time as the Beatles. If a band not as big as the literal Beatles had their performance saved, surely there’s a copy of the Beatles performance hiding somewhere in someone’s collection?
Truly amazing the things that still show up about The Beatles. What I don't understand, is why this stuff was never preserved considering the phenomenon they were at this point of their existence. Still cool when something new surfaces. Thanks for sharing
@@SuperNevile Sure you're right about that but by 1966 The Beatles were more than a passing fad, they had conquered the world of music, and most importantly everyone was starting to cover their material
@@johnszczybor4509 That's true, but they weren't the only artists on the show. It was the time when they stopped appearing on TOTP and started releasing high quality MTV type promotional films, like 'Paperback Writer/Rain', 'Hello Goodbye/Walrus', 'Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields', 'All You Need Is Love' etc.......
The story I heard was that it was political. The unions pushed the BBC into destroying all those precious recordings of TOTP featuring all those now legendary groups and artists of the 1960s, because - unbelievably, but I think this is it, more or less - they felt having recordings of older music around would reduce the amount of work available to musicians and/or music/TV technicians, etc, because people wouldn't bother making new records, or new shows, since people would just listen to/ watch the old stuff. But, as another commenter suggested, the reason the BBC may have been able to be persuaded by this spurious argument that it was perfectly legitimate to destroy historic footage was because pop music was seen as a very low class of entertainment with little to it of lasting value. There was no concept that people might still be interested in this silly young people's nonsense in 50 years time, or 500 years...
Brilliant. Surprised the Beatles were still in suits in 1966. They look great. Now, what are the chances that there is someone in Germany with a film in a box of the Beatles on stage in Hamburg? Imagine seeing film of the Beatles with Stu on bass and and Pete on drums. That would be the holy grail of Beatledom.
@@MrDaiseymay REVOLVER came out in August '66, and it was a game-changer, which literally ushered in Sgt. Pepper. The Beatles by 1966 were tired of touring, and the songs they had on REVOLVER were too complex to be recreated on stage. They were able to perform the single Paperback Writer and possibly Rain on TOTP for that reason.
This is a very rare instance where the Beatles music had the first psychedelic or audiodelic vibe, yet the clothes and look was similar to the early Hard Days night era.
This was the first Beatles song I remember actually being struck by, before that my mother & us just took the piss out them. Its possibly George's best guitar riff in the the whole history.
amazing only heard about this story about that man recording the old footage of the beatles and it being restored, brilliant modern technology to bring that "lost" legendary footage to life, cool as fuck
@@Tik1800 I think you are right. Rain was the B side. But it was played on the radio and tv in those days almost as much as paperback writer so it was being classed as a double A side by the public.
@@Tik1800 16-6-66: Presenter: Pete Murray (Wiped) (1) FRANK SINATRA - Strangers In The Night (and charts) (NEW) HERMAN’S HERMITS - This Door Swings Both Ways (NEW) CILLA BLACK - Don’t Answer Me ® (11) THE KINKS - Sunny Afternoon ® (NEW) THE HOLLIES - Bus Stop * (11) THE YARDBIRDS - Over Under Sideways Down ® (13) THE BEACH BOYS - Sloop John B. (video) (18) GENE PITNEY - Nobody Needs Your Love (2) THE BEATLES - Rain (2) THE BEATLES - Paperback Writer Rain was performed once on totp.
give them a listen, maybe you'll have some gems, if u have any certain programs like maybe BBC sessions recordings or live recordings that were aired, it could help to ask on a forum or two dedicated to that band or artist and see if you have anything rare, u could have ur own moment like this who knows.....
Wondering now how many other rare TV & radio gems that are just lying about in shoe boxes etc. in attics and cellars around the World - maybe you could make a whole TV series about such discoveries and get them transferred to modern media formats, while these 8 mm films and VHS, Betamax and audio tapes can still be played?
The essential thing to remember - as well as video tape and film being relatively expensive then - is that once something had been shown once or maybe twice there was really no market for it. In 1966 the UK had just two national TV channels (which were on air for only about 8 hours per day), there was no internet, no home video recorders and TV content was almost never shown in cinemas because the movies business and the TV business were still things apart and saw themselves as at war with each other. The BBC - like ITV - was mainly about providing entertainment programmes - and odd as it may sound now there was a bit of a national outcry if very many things were repeated. TV was still a comparatively young industry and building comprehensive archives of everything it made was not very high up its agenda, just because - well, what for? Who would want it and how would they watch it? So, unless a show was sold for showing abroad, once it had been aired once or maybe twice, then it was largely considered disposable. That applied equally to Coronation Street and to The Beatles on TOTP. I was 13 in 1966 and I would love to have owned a copy of this - but I had no camera, no projector and - at that stage - not even a cassette recorder to grab the soundtrack - and it was the same for almost everyone. It's very hard to convey to young people today the degree of fame which the Beatles had (FAR FAR more than it's even possible for anyone to have today) - just because we lived in a world of so few media channels and the Beatles were on all of them every day in some way or another. In the same way, today's media world is also so different that I can see why the decision to discard so much of this stuff could seem incomprehensible.
But they kept Pinky & Perky & The Black & White Minstrel Shows from the same era. Stop making excuses for management incompetence and poor foresight, obviously any footage shot was going to be priceless in the future.
@nicadair7700 Yes they kept quite a bit here and there.Particularly of the Royals opening/presenting this or that.Its quite common to have video(and more likely filmed series ,some of it in high quality 16mm colour before colour TV was out to broadcast it) and stuff.But yes their choices of what to keep/wipe seem very odd now.
Better than nothing but the guy who found the long lost recording of Bowie’s Top of the Pops appearance was really amazing because it had Audio and Visuals in good quality. He too the only copy home and the BBC erased their copy. How ridiculous was that? Thanks to TH-cam now you can see it 45 years later. And it’s great! I think it’s Jean Genie and that was a big Hit for Bowie! Thanks!
@@davidc5820 I was only pointing out that someone found a good copy of Bowie’s appearance on the TOTP and in much better quality than this fan who filmed the TV 📺 show with his 8mm camera. That’s all. This Beatles footage isn’t very good. Bowie’s is pristine!
Filmed before Donovan told John Lennon that removing the finish would improve the sound of his Epiphone Casino guitar which is a somewhat dubious suggestion for an electric guitar but John Lennon took his "advice!".
@@iancurtis1152 Stripping off the varnish and the stain leaving just the bare wood unprotected and removing the pickguard. You can see the guitar in this state in the concert on top of the Apple HQ.
Top of the Pops Erased Media: Queen - Seven Seas Of Rhye (1974) First Version (Found) David Bowie - Starman (1972) (Found) The Beatles - Paperback Writer (1966) (Found, no original audio) The Beatles - Rain (1966) (Still lost :( why) And if you know more examples write in comments.
Shame on BBC for destroying a piece of music history with The Beatles and Tom Jones performing on TOTP. Would love to see Elton's "Rocket Man" performance, now 50 years old. Thankful viewers have been able to help reconstruct those lost performances. But at the time, TPTB didn't think of the cultural impact many of these shows (and the performers) would have on future generations. However, as one poster mentioned, the Beat Club and other German music shows were preserved in pristine quality in Germany. Those performances can be seen on their official YT channel.
ps: david should edit all the footage of his life and make a doco of the times ....i bet he could narrate a really fascinating film of his day to day comings and goings
David rediscovers it and wants to share it with the world. Kaleidoscope & /or the BBC then get hold of it and it's never seen again. Happens all the time with this sort of stuff, when do we get to see the Monkhouse archives eh? Should all be free to view it was given to you.
I hope David scored a quid for his trouble. To Beatboys collectors, the footage would have been worth its proverbial (Carry that) weight in gold(en slumbers)
I believe they filmed their performances like early music videos and TOTP played those. There’s a color video of the band in a garden singing this same song. I think that was shown on the show as well.
If you haven't heard the story, Tom Jones has a funny story about this TOTP program he was on with The Beatles, and it's here on TH-cam , search: "Tom Jones on John Lennon"
I can understand a membe of the public having recorded with Limmited quality, but not the BBC, with all their expensive top quality recording equippment. It looks like Edwardian film stock.
Too bad there’s no good quality video of John & Paul’s appearance on the Tonight Show in 68, when they were announcing the formation of Apple Corps. NBC, as was custom, didn’t archive these shows. They just erased them.
Pity it isn’t Paperback Writer true version we hear! What point was there in restoring it to be something it wasn’t? Generations to come will thin’ this is what the song was! Sad!
Why are we still doing this telecine bullshit? Can we get a proper scanner to Kaleidoscope? Everything I see from Kaleidoscope comes off as VERY English and by very English I mean, things done as cheaply as possible and like they were boomers. I've seen people fund bottles of aspirin so surely we can get Kaleidoscope a bit of proper equipment/software etc. Great but it can almost always be done better even considering its 8mm.
It's August 2022 and THE BEATLES are still the TOP musical group of all time..
And always will
The Beatles will be the top musical group FOREVER !!!!!!!!!!!
Hell Yes!!! THE BEATLES are yesterday, today, and FOREVER!!!!
and they just had their final number one.
@@ITILII😂😂😂😂😂
The TV station's policy of reusing the same recording tapes to record so many different TV programs as a cost-saving measure during the 60s was definitely regrettable. So many episodes of TOTP were easily lost bcoz of that.
They did that in Australia too right up until about 1980. Lots of music videos and TV shows lost.
The Beatles also mimed to their classic "B" Side "Rain" on that broadcast.
What were the producers of Top of The Pops thinking?
What a dereliction of duty!
I'm glad that Germany's "Beat Club" preserved their footage.
They must've had their head completely up their ass to not preserve literally the biggest band in the world then and now
The Australian band Easybeats had their performance on Top of The Pops preserved on a film reel copy, which was discovered only a few years back. They performed roughly the same time as the Beatles. If a band not as big as the literal Beatles had their performance saved, surely there’s a copy of the Beatles performance hiding somewhere in someone’s collection?
Also extremely rare footage of the one show actually being watchable
Truly amazing the things that still show up about The Beatles. What I don't understand, is why this stuff was never preserved considering the phenomenon they were at this point of their existence. Still cool when something new surfaces. Thanks for sharing
Tape was expensive and "pop groups" were considered 'here today, gone tomorrow'..........
@@SuperNevile Sure you're right about that but by 1966 The Beatles were more than a passing fad, they had conquered the world of music, and most importantly everyone was starting to cover their material
@@johnszczybor4509 That's true, but they weren't the only artists on the show. It was the time when they stopped appearing on TOTP and started releasing high quality MTV type promotional films, like 'Paperback Writer/Rain', 'Hello Goodbye/Walrus', 'Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields', 'All You Need Is Love' etc.......
People still wouldn’t of believed it would be important today! Especially not a snooty nonce at the BBC
The story I heard was that it was political. The unions pushed the BBC into destroying all those precious recordings of TOTP featuring all those now legendary groups and artists of the 1960s, because - unbelievably, but I think this is it, more or less - they felt having recordings of older music around would reduce the amount of work available to musicians and/or music/TV technicians, etc, because people wouldn't bother making new records, or new shows, since people would just listen to/ watch the old stuff.
But, as another commenter suggested, the reason the BBC may have been able to be persuaded by this spurious argument that it was perfectly legitimate to destroy historic footage was because pop music was seen as a very low class of entertainment with little to it of lasting value. There was no concept that people might still be interested in this silly young people's nonsense in 50 years time, or 500 years...
Brilliant. Surprised the Beatles were still in suits in 1966. They look great. Now, what are the chances that there is someone in Germany with a film in a box of the Beatles on stage in Hamburg? Imagine seeing film of the Beatles with Stu on bass and and Pete on drums. That would be the holy grail of Beatledom.
Agree, it looks like 64' to me!
Yeah--but the following year ---'-Sgt Pepper', and everything changed.
Probably their last TV apperence as the suited fab four.
@@MrDaiseymay REVOLVER came out in August '66, and it was a game-changer, which literally ushered in Sgt. Pepper. The Beatles by 1966 were tired of touring, and the songs they had on REVOLVER were too complex to be recreated on stage. They were able to perform the single Paperback Writer and possibly Rain on TOTP for that reason.
Wonderful discovery Of The Beatles!!!
This is a very rare instance where the Beatles music had the first psychedelic or audiodelic vibe, yet the clothes and look was similar to the early Hard Days night era.
This was the first Beatles song I remember actually being struck by, before that my mother & us just took the piss out them. Its possibly George's best guitar riff in the the whole history.
It´s November 2023...The Beatles Number one on the charts, Incredible!
Best pop groop ever stil after all the Years .
amazing only heard about this story about that man recording the old footage of the beatles and it being restored, brilliant modern technology to bring that "lost" legendary footage to life, cool as fuck
'Rain' was also performed on this edition.
paper back writer dude
Dead right John Drake. It was a double A side, so both songs were performed, as I recall
@@flamingpie100 I don’t think it was a double a side single. You may be mistaking that for Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out
@@Tik1800 I think you are right. Rain was the B side. But it was played on the radio and tv in those days almost as much as paperback writer so it was being classed as a double A side by the public.
@@Tik1800 16-6-66: Presenter: Pete Murray (Wiped)
(1) FRANK SINATRA - Strangers In The Night (and charts)
(NEW) HERMAN’S HERMITS - This Door Swings Both Ways
(NEW) CILLA BLACK - Don’t Answer Me ®
(11) THE KINKS - Sunny Afternoon ®
(NEW) THE HOLLIES - Bus Stop *
(11) THE YARDBIRDS - Over Under Sideways Down ®
(13) THE BEACH BOYS - Sloop John B. (video)
(18) GENE PITNEY - Nobody Needs Your Love
(2) THE BEATLES - Rain
(2) THE BEATLES - Paperback Writer
Rain was performed once on totp.
I have some old reel to reel and cassettes taped from the Radio from around 1967 to 1970 or so, haven’t heard them in over 50 years!
give them a listen, maybe you'll have some gems, if u have any certain programs like maybe BBC sessions recordings or live recordings that were aired, it could help to ask on a forum or two dedicated to that band or artist and see if you have anything rare, u could have ur own moment like this who knows.....
Wondering now how many other rare TV & radio gems that are just lying about in shoe boxes etc. in attics and cellars around the World - maybe you could make a whole TV series about such discoveries and get them transferred to modern media formats, while these 8 mm films and VHS, Betamax and audio tapes can still be played?
Good on ya David ! your a part of their history now !
Well that was exciting.Can hardly contain myself
A piece of history revealed. Great stuff. I'm struck by the appearance of Pete Murray. Haven't seen the dude for decades. He's aged a bit...
Haven’t we all.
The essential thing to remember - as well as video tape and film being relatively expensive then - is that once something had been shown once or maybe twice there was really no market for it. In 1966 the UK had just two national TV channels (which were on air for only about 8 hours per day), there was no internet, no home video recorders and TV content was almost never shown in cinemas because the movies business and the TV business were still things apart and saw themselves as at war with each other.
The BBC - like ITV - was mainly about providing entertainment programmes - and odd as it may sound now there was a bit of a national outcry if very many things were repeated. TV was still a comparatively young industry and building comprehensive archives of everything it made was not very high up its agenda, just because - well, what for? Who would want it and how would they watch it? So, unless a show was sold for showing abroad, once it had been aired once or maybe twice, then it was largely considered disposable. That applied equally to Coronation Street and to The Beatles on TOTP. I was 13 in 1966 and I would love to have owned a copy of this - but I had no camera, no projector and - at that stage - not even a cassette recorder to grab the soundtrack - and it was the same for almost everyone.
It's very hard to convey to young people today the degree of fame which the Beatles had (FAR FAR more than it's even possible for anyone to have today) - just because we lived in a world of so few media channels and the Beatles were on all of them every day in some way or another. In the same way, today's media world is also so different that I can see why the decision to discard so much of this stuff could seem incomprehensible.
But they kept Pinky & Perky & The Black & White Minstrel Shows from the same era.
Stop making excuses for management incompetence and poor foresight, obviously any footage shot was going to be priceless in the future.
@nicadair7700 Yes they kept quite a bit here and there.Particularly of the Royals opening/presenting this or that.Its quite common to have video(and more likely filmed series ,some of it in high quality 16mm colour before colour TV was out to broadcast it) and stuff.But yes their choices of what to keep/wipe seem very odd now.
Better than nothing but the guy who found the long lost recording of Bowie’s Top of the Pops appearance was really amazing because it had Audio and Visuals in good quality. He too the only copy home and the BBC erased their copy. How ridiculous was that? Thanks to TH-cam now you can see it 45 years later. And it’s great! I think it’s Jean Genie and that was a big Hit for Bowie!
Thanks!
Bowie?🤣🤣🤣🤣 Come on....this is the Beatles
@@davidc5820
I was only pointing out that someone found a good copy of Bowie’s appearance on the TOTP and in much better quality than this fan who filmed the TV 📺 show with his 8mm camera.
That’s all.
This Beatles footage isn’t very good. Bowie’s is pristine!
@@davidc5820 So? His point stands.
@farscape Yep. Institutional knowledge-wise they're geniuses ;-)
@@davidc5820 Bowie was indeed influential like the Beatles. In fact, John Lennon sang background and played on Bowie's Fame song.
What a great riff that is ❤
Just wonderful! Archiving is the best!!👍
Filmed before Donovan told John Lennon that removing the finish would improve the sound of his Epiphone Casino guitar which is a somewhat dubious suggestion for an electric guitar but John Lennon took his "advice!".
What are you referring to by “removing the finish”?
@@iancurtis1152 Stripping off the varnish and the stain leaving just the bare wood unprotected and removing the pickguard. You can see the guitar in this state in the concert on top of the Apple HQ.
@@NickRatnieks thanks for your explanation. Good to know.
Cheers from 🦘
Top of the Pops Erased Media:
Queen - Seven Seas Of Rhye (1974) First Version (Found)
David Bowie - Starman (1972) (Found)
The Beatles - Paperback Writer (1966) (Found, no original audio)
The Beatles - Rain (1966) (Still lost :( why)
And if you know more examples write in comments.
So great..!!! edition greetings from Spain/Granada The Beatles for ever.
Shame on BBC for destroying a piece of music history with The Beatles and Tom Jones performing on TOTP. Would love to see Elton's "Rocket Man" performance, now 50 years old. Thankful viewers have been able to help reconstruct those lost performances. But at the time, TPTB didn't think of the cultural impact many of these shows (and the performers) would have on future generations. However, as one poster mentioned, the Beat Club and other German music shows were preserved in pristine quality in Germany. Those performances can be seen on their official YT channel.
ps: david should edit all the footage of his life and make a doco of the times ....i bet he could narrate a really fascinating film of his day to day comings and goings
It really makes you wonder what other lost footage is out there that is yet to be rediscovered and restored.
The Beatles didn't play live, they mimed to the songs. Note the lack of microphones.
No one did. You wasn’t allowed
@@dondamon4669 yes they were 🤦
David rediscovers it and wants to share it with the world. Kaleidoscope & /or the BBC then get hold of it and it's never seen again. Happens all the time with this sort of stuff, when do we get to see the Monkhouse archives eh? Should all be free to view it was given to you.
Bob Monkhouse had literally shed loads of old films, where are they now?
Paul and Ringo ought to get on this and allow the recording with the lyrics.
Maybe they don’t possess a copy.
Good to see, I missed this on the One Show.
KOOLNESS♥️♥️♥️♥️
While filming from TV screen 8 or 9 fr/sec the lines disappear btw.
I can't believe that they are wearing suits when they looked so MOD on the promo film!!
Thanks for this. ❤❤❤❤
Due to copyright, the audio was changed so Apple gives us a bonus in the supplied backing track. Winner all round.
Pathetic they can’t use the real sound.
Lighten up copyright holders.
What they couldn’t pay for the original audio I mean how expensive is it to use a 30 second clip of the original audio
@@noelgains8433 If you want to use any Beatle music, it's very expensive.
perhaps they could also retrieve some clips from bbc’s vera in the 60s
has paul seen this yet?!
I hope David scored a quid for his trouble.
To Beatboys collectors, the footage would have been worth its proverbial (Carry that) weight in gold(en slumbers)
Given how poor quality it is why did they bother? And why not show the whole thing on the TV for the fans?
He's a kid after my own heart!
oh wow, are we'uns getting on then ... where did it all go so fast?
They performed on top of the pops more than once
I believe they filmed their performances like early music videos and TOTP played those. There’s a color video of the band in a garden singing this same song. I think that was shown on the show as well.
No they didnt
Only live once. The other occasions were recordings
A job well done👍
Wow!
Thank you Mexico! 😊
lovely lovely
"......and I thought, I'm sure I got that upstairs...."
A true Hero
So really I’m doing the cinemas a favour🤔
If you haven't heard the story, Tom Jones has a funny story about this TOTP program he was on with The Beatles, and it's here on TH-cam , search: "Tom Jones on John Lennon"
I can understand a membe of the public having recorded with Limmited quality, but not the BBC, with all their expensive top quality recording equippment. It looks like Edwardian film stock.
Beautiful boy ♥️
Brilliant - again !
Not sure why they bothered. beatles made video clips for both Paperback Writer & Rain.
That’s right love😁
I'm confused, because didn't David Chandler appear back in June about missing TOTP footage?
The found two separate versions of the same thing, IIRC...
Too bad there’s no good quality video of John & Paul’s appearance on the Tonight Show in 68, when they were announcing the formation of Apple Corps. NBC, as was custom, didn’t archive these shows. They just erased them.
i saw that live. I couldn't believe Carson wasn't there and fill-in Joe Garagiola was interviewing them. A total mismatch.
Here’s a taste of that dreadful experience!
th-cam.com/video/h9ksrH6DEdE/w-d-xo.html
@@Doones51 Ugh. That was awful. Why would anyone want to watch that terrible interview?
What the hell has Britt Eckland done to her face? 😱
Oh, that's who that was! I knew she looked familiar. 8)
she's trying to look like Lady Penelope
She became an old witch
@@dannymcrooster4089 No, she became Patsy Stone.
Too much surgery
Tom Jones portrayed here pre-nose job. He must be the earliest example of extreme celebrity-rhinoplasty.
What’s up with the hazy effect on the footage?
Deflicker
When you film a tv screen with a camera, you get that effect....or defect😅. I've done that a couple of times and it looks like shit.
I wonder if Jimmy Savile put his hand on McCartneys lap?
Pity it isn’t Paperback Writer true version we hear! What point was there in restoring it to be something it wasn’t? Generations to come will thin’ this is what the song was! Sad!
Could'a sold it for a pretty Penny Lane
Now don't delete this one lol.
As a fan this low quality is terrible. There are hundreds of hours from around the world I would watch and never miss this eye strain footage.
Where's the vocals?
To avoid copyright infringement. The audience there would have heard the lot, just not us TH-camrs....
Why no singing?
Why they playing one of the bass and guitar only for paperback writer lmao
They tell you why in the video. To avoid copyright infringement. My guess is the audience heard it all, not us You Tubers...
So they just did an instrumental on the show????
It clearly says 'Audio changed due to copyright'.
The assembled audience would have heard it all. Us TH-camrs miss out because of copyright...
Where’s da vocals?
Copyright instantly takes it downs if uploaded with vocals
@@Chuby123 do you have the orignal video with correct sound?
@@Gazmj4 I have the original One Show recording. Send me a message with your email and I'll send it to you if you wish
And where are the other instruments?
Why are we still doing this telecine bullshit? Can we get a proper scanner to Kaleidoscope? Everything I see from Kaleidoscope comes off as VERY English and by very English I mean, things done as cheaply as possible and like they were boomers. I've seen people fund bottles of aspirin so surely we can get Kaleidoscope a bit of proper equipment/software etc. Great but it can almost always be done better even considering its 8mm.
Too bad no vocals.
Alex Jones tidy piece
Bang average 5/10
Find the One Show's video and avoid this stupid one.