I am a retired State Trooper and I worked as a security officer in the Federal Courts after that retirement for 22 years. We sat through many patent infringement trials and it was depressing to see how blatently companies, particularly in China, copy products and sell cheap imitations. Yet it costs legitimate companies tens of thousands in attorney fees to defend a patent. It's low class and underhanded, and I agree with you completely. Thanks for sticking up for the small businessman who can't always afford to defend his innovation.
As a small business owner of 30 plus years I am impressed with this video. It’s unusual to see one company stand up for another company in such a public way and do so tactfully. You’ll be happy to know I recently purchased my first item from you and expect delivery this week (quick attachment). I’m new to the tractor ownership world but have been impressed by all of your vids. When shopping around for the quick attachment unit I did, of course, come across the Titan website. I guess instinctively I was turned off and ended up buying from you after seeing your video on comparing quick attachments. The level of detail in your videos is great, very helpful for a newbie tractor owner like me. Well done!!
So you're saying China doesn't respect patents? And yet so many American companies can't wait to run to China to have their products made. As a country we really are our own worst enemy.
@@GoodWorksTractors ...sorry man not much diff. I'm an old timer from Southside va. I remember furniture & textile factories all over. Same people the very people who worked there screamed for walmart everywhere then were shocked when it all left. Not saying right wrong just we do it to ourselves. I recently paid 18 bucks for a set of good wire dikes instead of 9, because it was made (not assembled only) in America.
How many companies can’t exist because of the Walmarts of the world? You can’t say give me the best quality product at the cheapest price; Some profit is a good thing and has to be expected if American made companies are to survive. Good on you Courtney!!
@@bones549 I think you misunderstood me. I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m saying this was not a Chinese company that did this. It was a US based company. I would not be surprised if they use a Chinese manufacturer to build it, but this isn’t shipping to the end user from China.
Courtney, I appreciate you for taking a stand for Tim at big Tool Rack . Tim actually took my order over the phone 3 years and consider Tim a long distance friend . Good job with the video .
I appreciate you being a one in a million individual who stands for doing things right and not being a under handed company. I applaud for your position. I enjoy you channel and the videos you share. Please keep them coming. I own a BigToolRack myself and love it. Thanks
I purchased a BTR Oct 2021 and Tim showed up in my driveway about a week later and delivered it himself. He insisted we assemble it right then and we had the whole thing set up in about thirty minutes. Doing business with Courtney and Tim has been a fantastic experience, especially as a new tractor operator. I would be hard pressed to deal with anyone else simply due to their quality, value, business ethics and dedication to their customers. First class folks all around. Thank you.
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Funny you should talk about this. Saw lots of Chinese Engineers taking close up camera shots at Engine design on new Equipment at Con- Expo. One big Chinese Company at Con- Expo had there CAT look alike machine on Display. But boy they got all TESTY when myself just a person at the biggest Construction show in Las Vegas, just taking Pictures of ALL the neat Equipment on Display, all the NEW stuff on the market. One of there Female Booth worker's started screaming at ME!!!! ( NO PICTURES, no pictures) I just smiled at her and said, your in America Lady, I'm just attending this show, I will take all the Pictures I want too of Equipment DISPLAYED in public!!!!!!!! Lady there are NO signs saying NO Picture. But in my mind I knew exactly why she was saying it. Thank you for black listening copy cats that STEAL someone else's hard work at Design. It's great salesman like you to publicly SAY!!!!!! This is a cheap knock off, such Lazy ass for not coming up with there own Design.. Thank you again for doing this video, it must be SHOWN in public these Robbery of someone else's WORK.
I ordered a BigToolRack from Tim a few years ago and it was a hideous price to get to Canada but it is what I wanted and it is everything I imagined it would be for my small farm. It rolls around the shop, I can keep all the shovels, rakes, and other garden tools organized, I haul it out to the garden in the spring for my wife to plant the garden and I use it around the farm on the tractor when I am working on projects. And I got it in red to match my Massey. Sorry, I didn't like how this read. Tim gave me a generous discount, it was the exchange rate, taxes and import duties plus the two hour trip to pick it up at the shipping yard.
Thank you for bringing this to light. I believe it shows integrity to stand for what you believe and not lowering your standards or beliefs for money. You’ll be more blessed down the road.
Right on Courtney! Recently the US manufacturer Titan (different than the import house Titan that stocks Chinese and Indian lower grade product) changed their name to IronCraft to distinguish themselves. The differences in welds, paint finish, metal grades on Titan rototillers is dramatic for example (and tiller is India made). To be fair, other countries can make great quality, but labor costs have risen in the "BRIC" countries. And for compact tractor implements, the costs of transport/import mean they have to cut more corners. The result is "cheap", not "value".
Didn't know that about the switch to IronCraft. Good move as they seemed to often be confused. 100% agree about foreign manufacturing. There is plenty of high quality production world wide. Thanks for chiming in!
I literally just came here for this info. We have some Titan equipment purchased last year that is now known as Ironcraft. I would be very disappointed if we owned something made by thieves. Relieved to hear it’s not them. Here’s why: I’m literally shopping for one of these tractor tool Box solutions. Regards, Marky
Very nice to see someone stand up and say something. Not only is it “trashy”, but It’s disrespectful to the core. As I tell my kids all the time, there are all kinds of people in this world…
Kudos Courtney for standing up for what you believe. Knock off equipment I have found ALWAYS is inferior in quality and workmanship and 9 out of 10 times the company will not stand behind their product. It's bad that people are so lazy to think of their own ideas.
As a small business owner as well, I appreciate the drive to do things honestly amd support the value of the IP of others. Thank you! People from MI are the best ;)
I appreciate you sharing this, I will not consider Titan anymore moving forward. I was about to pull the trigger on a pallet fork set up but will find another brand.
40 years ago we built several versions of what is sold today as the big tool rack. We built them because they were useful tools for our farm and many other farmers did the same. Just look back thru 50 years of farm show magazine and see the ingenuity of farmers and what they created because it was useful to them. Many of those items are now marketed and have been refined by major manufacturers for sale to the masses, the old timers laugh and say I built that 50, 60 years ago. No complaints- I built what I see is the heavy hitch over 40 years ago and could put about 1100 # of weight on it. It was something I needed at the time... I don't envy heavy hitch for their product... I just go out and jump on my old tractors and know that mine still works for the use that it was built for ... added reciever hitch 5 years ago - before that it just had a drawbar hitch ... wagons didn't have ball hitches
Been watching the channel for awhile just don't comment much. Appreciate you calling them out ! I recently bought pallet forks from them, they appear to be well made BUT the paint was tore to hell from FedEx. I asked for touch up paint and they gave me a code to get paint and said would reimburse. Called a few places and nobody knew that code. Last thing I will buy from them for sure !
Morning Courtney. I loved your channel and business before but now I respect you even more. Unbelievable. Thanks for standing up. I have no respect for Titan now and you will never see a Titan product on my channel. I thought Titan was a good North American company. Not anymore. Titan- design your own products!
wow this is sad. Thank you Courtney and GP. I own a BigToolRack from Tim. Thank you both for standing up against this hack job and supporting what is right for Tim's sake and this wonderful Tractor community.
Glad to see this video. We smaller businessmen need to stand together to fight against the corporate evil that exists. With that being said I bought a small titan flail a couple years ago. Their salesman told me it was American made and QH compatible. When it arrived it was neither. In trying to get a response from them for their LIES, all I got was crickets.
I Love my Big Tool Rack and Love your TH-cam channel and products. I recently talked to Tim and complained to Titan about their obvious and shitty behavior. All I got was added to their email list. . . Thanks, Courtney, for your support of another excellent company and product. Well done!
I mean isn't this standard practice? Business owner comes up with idea, realizes the market wont support that price point. Ships manufacturing overseas, builds a small business around this and then is dumbfounded when an identical product hits the market at half their advertised price. All the more reason we need to support bringing manufacturing back in house in country.
I made my first purchase from Titan this week and based on my experience there will not be a second purchase. Ridiculous. Can't wait to buy from Good Works!
I was just about to purchase some pallet forks from Titan. Not anymore... as a newbie, this video was eye opening. Thank you for creating this awareness.
Thanks for calling this out and using your influence to bring this to everyone's attention. I have a BTR and it is an excellent product - both in usefulness and construction. When I was a tractor virgin, I bought pallet forks from Titan. Let's just say I won't ever make that mistake again - they quality just isn't there. I have had excellent customer service from Tim at BTR and from you (Brush Crusher) and I truly appreciate you guys!
As an engineer/inventor who has had ideas and work taken without so much as a thankyou, my best wishes on bringing lowlife companies to their just end.
Wowzers, that BigToolRack is cool though! Didn't even finish the video before I was pinging a good buddy of mine about how he needs one for his tractor. :D
There is a saying, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". True, but this is theft. Not maybe but out and out theft of patented material. Good on you for your stand up straight and call it like it is attitude. If we had more people with this attitude, business would be much less stressful.
As someone who is brand new to the rural life, and someone who is also trying to make a go of small scale farming, this was a very informative video. I can’t afford to always buy the higher end attachments or equipment. However, as a proud American I can say that whenever I see low class crap like this happen, I ask myself “how long can our country afford to not buy all American made?” The answer is complicated. Since I am not a rich man playing farmer for kicks ( I’m only a fireman) I do have to be judicious on my farm purchases. I cannot stand companies ripping off stuff from others. So, thank you for the education and I can now mark Titan off the list when it comes to purchasing tractor stuff. Btw, these Big Tool Racks look awesome and will own one someday. Lol
That is the same Titan company I bought a pine needle rake from this spring, they did a horrible job packing and shipping. Its safe to say anybody buying there other products will received scratched up product also.
Thank you for bringing this issue to light. I don't believe you are overreacting as titan is basically stealing Big Tool Rack's time, effort, and money [titan did not do any of the RND].
It is a big deal to me. Thank you for pointing it out. Using ideas from a product to make something for your own personal use is one thing... copying them for commercial gain is something altogether different. It is just lazy and unethical. And I don't blame you for getting hot under the collar!
Way to go Courtney! I love your videos and have not subscribed yet, well.......until now. I have to admit I have purchased from Titan, and frankly I got what I payed for. This shows the absolute void of integrity that Titan has as a company and will not purchase their items again. Keep up the good work!
I think it sucks people steal things the way they do. I think your video was very good and handled with taste. If I need what you promote, I would definitely buy from you. I have bought cheaper knock off stuff through my lifetime, and most of the time it ended up costing me in the long run. Buy quality the first time. 😉
How about sell a ballast hardware kit that customer uses with locality sourced 55 gallon drum. Filled with product of choice. Dirt, sand, grave,l cement.
I understand your reasoning for the venting. It sure seems like there would be a way other than bringing an awareness to people to stop blatant stealing of another person's idea. Unfortunately honor and fortitude is not a universally taught culture. I myself have invented items that later on have been scooped up due to my not patenting them. Yes, it's my fault for not patenting them but it still stings when you witness someone else profiting off of your ingenuity. Patenting unless you have the funds to fight the unscrupulous is just a recommended hindrance to the soulless copycats. If the price is unbelievable, guaranteed the quality is as well. No free lunches! I really appreciate you and your brothers content.
Obviously companies “can” take designs from others, but it rubs me the wrong way as well. I’ve been on the fence about picking up a big tool rack, but this made it easy. Ordering one this weekend. I’ll support the original. Titan won’t get my business.
Besides the sleazy business practice of stealing (let's call it what it is) there is the basic principal of acquisition my dad taught me many, many years ago which I have always found to be true: you get what you pay for. And quality is usually less expensive in the long run, not to mention you have a better item to work with and/or enjoy.
I’ll take another approach to this. They video said numerous modification meaning it’s not the same thing. I’ve seen farmers and homesteaders build similar stuff. I have no problem with more than one blacksmith in town. I really don’t understand that two places can’t manufacture equipment that may overlap in most of the function, letting quality and cost being the distinguished difference. It’s kind of hypocritical to promote/ sell summit tractors if you think that only only the first company should exist. Many people would never be able to get tools if harbor freight didn’t exist. Should we all be stuck paying for snap on? Competing companies is not a bad thing for anyone, including those forced to improve products.
There’s a big difference in OEMs that make vehicles, planes, tractors and such. Incredibly complex machinery. I have no problem with competition and said so. However, I could probably sketch up 50 different designs - different sizes, functions, features, etc. so many ways to make a carry all. You have to look really close to see if it’s the Big Tool Rack or not. Why not make an original of their own?
Best diy counter balance I have seen there be 2 one was concrete build a form and 3 point support placed inside and filled with cement other same consent hustle used 55 gallon drum cut down and filled with cement works great for orchard use loading bins of fruit fluid filled tires and concrete filled counter balance Others used 3 point hitch forks and carry bins front and back and use rear bin as counter balance while loading stacked bins of fruit
Thanks for shining a light on this flagrant patent violation. Hopefully, the folks at BTR can go after them in court, but the best revenge would be for no one to buy these knockoffs and have them end up on a slow boat back to China.
If it's not completely patented, it's fair game. Not saying that Titan copying it is cool, but it is what it is. If you're going to put a unique product in the market, you have to do whatever you can to protect it. I've bought several attachments from Titan that are of excellent quality and I'd buy from them again if they have the best product at the best price.
Great video as always!. This is a maddening thing to hear, but as you said it happens a lot. This is why i deal with gwt. Every thing you sell is the real deal not as shown here. Also add that you put all or most of the products through there paces. I have stated in other past video comments this is why i will continue to deal with gwt . Do not have to worry about things like what titan did. Will not buy from them until they get there ethical business practice back. Anyway have a great day Courtney and Chis and be safe. Tim
Should be noted when you say “Titan” you should add attachments because there is also a Titan Implement which is American made vs Titan attachment which is Chinese. Titan implement, so far has been a great company by my standards. Never bought a product from Titan attachments as I try not to support the Chinese. This video just further solidifies my choice to not buy made in china garbage. Keep up the good work Courtney!
I would argue this is the kind of IP we should be protecting; rather than giving Disney near-unlimited copyright or the NFL non-profit status. I don't always agree with your business calls (who does) but I've always agreed with the rationale behind them. Respect to you, Courtney.
I bought one thing from Titan Attachments and it failed and they basically said that's to bad. Have a friend that has a small paint store and has a sign over the checkout counter and it says ONLY THE RICH CAN AFFORD CHEAP!!!!
Is there any 3pt fork lift attachments out there, just thinking of moving pallets around, mounting my sprayer and other things that we use, while leaving the bucket on, and using it for balest
I understand the Titan Implements made in Tennessee got tired of being confused with the Titan Attachments imported from China and changed their name to IronCraft. I assume the knockoff you're talking about is the Chinese importer Titan Attachment?
I created an innovative product back in the 90s and after a couple years of growth someone bought two of them... I was impressed! Then a few months later a duplicate of my product showed up on shelves from that person. I couldn't afford to out market him and his was a cheap copy, so I gave the company away to someone who gave up a year later. The thief then went on to grow a company that employs 15 or so with many other products. I don't even get a Christmas card lol. I'm of course partially to blame for not defending myself, but it was a huge kick in the gut, and I didn't have the heart to go at it.
Thank you Courtney! It’s very sad I truly don’t know how these folks sleep at night this is just wrong!!! We worked very hard to come up with the Bigtoolrack with years of product development then to get a company that does this is just so wrong. They are stealing from my family! We want nothing to do with them! I can only hope people see what kind of company they are….
I see in one of your ads that the BTR is "proudly made in USA". Does this mean "assembled in USA of global components" or is the steel actually fabricated in the USA?
@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz Hello Lisa we are a global manufacturer that builds and sell’s BigToolRacks all over the world just like the major tractor brands. That said we have a plant in the USA that builds our Ultimate Rack and many other items we sell with American Steel and American workers 100% from start to finish. We also build our Ultimate Racks and some other products at our plan in India. Both are state of the art facilities that build top quality products and that is most import to us, we will not put our name on anything that is not the best quality. We are an American Family run business that treats our customers the way we would want to be treated, we have morals and values and respect for each others intellectual property unlike some others. That said we can sleep at night knowing we are doing the right thing. I started this company from nothing ten years ago and we have grown it to what it is today. I would not have it any other way. Thank you for your inquiry I hope I answered your question. Feel free to contact me on my website. Tim Owner and Founder Morris CT.
Personally, I respect people who stick to their core values. If you wouldn't do something underhanded, why would you support someone who did in order to benefit yourself? I think that is an example of the character traits missing these days. People still think they have good moral values, but if we evaluate our daily decisions do they align with how we perceive ourselves? I have chosen not to purchase products or do business with many companies in recent years because their values don't align with mine in key areas. Has it inconvenienced me and caused me certain sacrifices? Yes, but I didnt compromise my personal integrity. Which is much more valuable to me. I respect your decision to stand behind your values and will support you for it.
Idk why people buy things from "titan" or "pallet forks" or "skid steer attachments". Spend 1hr searching the net and more than likely you will find an American company with American people selling the same thing for the same or less. I did when I was looking for a set of forks..intact my "express steel" (and American company) cost hundreds less and shipped freight for free.
R2 is in my backyard and those guys are first rate for sure. Sad to see anyone out there trying to capitalize on other peoples time and effort engineering quality products. I applaud your decision to throw Titans business practice back in their face.
I haven’t had a good look at the Titan product, but my first impression is that it is the econo version. It looks junky, but it probably is a lot better than nothing-which brings up the point of whether or not it’s a bad thing… if Big Tools have a cheaper option that is in more direct competition, then that’s one thing, but between their ultimate setup and that titan, I would assume, besides some inevitable overlap, that they are serving two different markets. But I will say, my first instinct was to look and see if I can get the same thing for half the price. Whatever, our gov’ts (I’m Canadian) have done in the past, to open up the market to overseas, they’ve got this kind of blood on their hands. It’s a bit like blood diamonds… and supply and demand curves… although diamonds are kind of a terrible example, as higher prices tend to create higher demand..l but if you cut the price in half, we have our cake and eat it too. ‘Consumption’ is like an appetite, right… just look at our own and know we are pretty much all hypocrites, as we don’t just want a piece of the cake but the whole dang thing. So in this case it’s close to your heart, which is understandable, as we stand with our friends… but really those who we aren’t close to, will suffer from this same thing, because we just don’t really care that much or even see the need to. So at the end of the day buying and selling the dirty part of any/every business… just look at-as a metaphor for a similar thing-how certain companies plant a tree or some gimmick to try and help alleviate the guilt (optics) of the harm they do (to the planet) with every sale they make… But (maybe) we can only cleanse it so much.
Well, I'll admit, I bought a set of pallet forks from Titan. Price was good, they were on sale. I can say, that will be the only thing I own from them, their not even that great on prices anymore! In the market for a flail mower, and for what you get for the money, what they offer doesn't have much value. I mean, if you want cheap Chinese, you're better off buying from Betsco! You get the a very similar product, for 1000-1500 less. Just my opinion!
I've been ripped off before and It sucks for sure. But you have to admit, $2k is pretty darn expensive for what it is, and that opens the door for others to offer something more affordable. People can look at each one and determine which one fits their needs, quality, features, and budget. I imagine its pretty hard to patent a tool rack since there are so many DIY versions way before this one, so the idea isn't new or fresh and it would be difficult to hold the patent if challenged in court. Maybe your vendor should offer multiple levels at different price ranges? I know I sure wouldn't invest that type of money for that, but maybe some are, to each their own. Just because "I" won't pay that type of grub for one doesn't mean its right, and I agree with your choice and your professionalism to expose it and have restraint.
I have no issue with competition which is stated in the video. A carry all could be made in dozens or hundreds of ways. Incredible that the version they come out with looks exactly like the BTR without a close inspection.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yes, and that is why a closed my comment by stating I agreed with your choice (and reasoning). The products are so similar, that to some purchasers, they could actually think they're buying the same product for a much cheaper price, which could be bad. They should have at least tried to make it their own and not a direct copy (like you stated), but the guy that copied it, honestly, probably doesn't have the know how to do that. Most everything he offers is pretty much copied. What is really bad, are direct, inferior clones, that even rip off the brand names! Pure fraud. You're bring to light that hey, these aren't the same products, and as long as folks know that, you've done your job. Kudos.
Its a damn shame. I am a big fan of Big Tool Rack I remember when they started I thought it was an awesome idea. Now their being ripped off for being smart.
Big Tool Rack’s patent’s claims all seem to require having that hitch receiver on the back (which you pointed out near the end of the video). Titan Attachment’s product doesn’t appear to have a receiver there so they not only (probably) avoid the patent, but save some steel since they don’t need to have a beefy structure to safely tow a trailer. I don’t mean to play devil’s advocate here. It certainly looks like a clone with at least one less feature.
The sad thing is there are always scum lawyers that will protect the IP thieves. So, IF you go after them even with a "perfect case" YOU might actually lose and have to pay them. . . Yes, I recently had a legal situation like this. Our court and legal systems need a do over. . . Props to you for dropping the thieves. If only all businesses had this level integrity the thieves wouldn't be profitable . . .
Flaunting in your face that they think they can get away with it. Sometimes to deal with patents is to mass produce the item right out of the gate to establish your trademark. Some inventors go as far as to forgo patents for mass production and establish an unsurmountable market that nobody would dare challenge. A patent can become the blueprint for just another man's minor alteration and new patent.
I am a retired State Trooper and I worked as a security officer in the Federal Courts after that retirement for 22 years. We sat through many patent infringement trials and it was depressing to see how blatently companies, particularly in China, copy products and sell cheap imitations. Yet it costs legitimate companies tens of thousands in attorney fees to defend a patent. It's low class and underhanded, and I agree with you completely. Thanks for sticking up for the small businessman who can't always afford to defend his innovation.
And our government stands with big businesses and China to make junk in China! It’s sad
China is not a friend of America. They specialize in steeling technology and then profit from it.
Well said, we need more Americans to understand this while shopping, thanks for sharing!
Yeah we cut ties with them as well. It’s pretty ridiculous. Tim is a stand up guy and has indeed built a great business.
I respect you for taking a stand against knock-off artists, counterfeits, and plagiarists. Kudos!
Thanks Joe!
You have no idea how much respect you just garnered! There are so few people today who really walk the walk - you do! Thank you.
As a small business owner of 30 plus years I am impressed with this video. It’s unusual to see one company stand up for another company in such a public way and do so tactfully.
You’ll be happy to know I recently purchased my first item from you and expect delivery this week (quick attachment). I’m new to the tractor ownership world but have been impressed by all of your vids. When shopping around for the quick attachment unit I did, of course, come across the Titan website. I guess instinctively I was turned off and ended up buying from you after seeing your video on comparing quick attachments. The level of detail in your videos is great, very helpful for a newbie tractor owner like me.
Well done!!
So you're saying China doesn't respect patents? And yet so many American companies can't wait to run to China to have their products made. As a country we really are our own worst enemy.
yep same folks that cry about that go to harbour freight and buy cheap knockoffs.
This company uses China for mfg, but is stateside.
@@GoodWorksTractors ...sorry man not much diff. I'm an old timer from Southside va. I remember furniture & textile factories all over. Same people the very people who worked there screamed for walmart everywhere then were shocked when it all left. Not saying right wrong just we do it to ourselves. I recently paid 18 bucks for a set of good wire dikes instead of 9, because it was made (not assembled only) in America.
How many companies can’t exist because of the Walmarts of the world? You can’t say give me the best quality product at the cheapest price; Some profit is a good thing and has to be expected if American made companies are to survive. Good on you Courtney!!
@@bones549 I think you misunderstood me. I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m saying this was not a Chinese company that did this. It was a US based company. I would not be surprised if they use a Chinese manufacturer to build it, but this isn’t shipping to the end user from China.
Courtney, I appreciate you for taking a stand for Tim at big Tool Rack . Tim actually took my order over the phone 3 years and consider Tim a long distance friend . Good job with the video .
I appreciate you being a one in a million individual who stands for doing things right and not being a under handed company. I applaud for your position. I enjoy you channel and the videos you share. Please keep them coming.
I own a BigToolRack myself and love it.
Thanks
I purchased a BTR Oct 2021 and Tim showed up in my driveway about a week later and delivered it himself. He insisted we assemble it right then and we had the whole thing set up in about thirty minutes. Doing business with Courtney and Tim has been a fantastic experience, especially as a new tractor operator. I would be hard pressed to deal with anyone else simply due to their quality, value, business ethics and dedication to their customers. First class folks all around. Thank you.
Looks like a rip-off, pure and simple. You're doing the right thing. Thanks for letting us know!
Things that have got to be said. You said it. You used restraint. No cussing. No name calling. Good restraint, Courtney. Love you brother.
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Funny you should talk about this. Saw lots of Chinese Engineers taking close up camera shots at Engine design on new Equipment at Con- Expo. One big Chinese Company at Con- Expo had there CAT look alike machine on Display. But boy they got all TESTY when myself just a person at the biggest Construction show in Las Vegas, just taking Pictures of ALL the neat Equipment on Display, all the NEW stuff on the market. One of there Female Booth worker's started screaming at ME!!!! ( NO PICTURES, no pictures) I just smiled at her and said, your in America Lady, I'm just attending this show, I will take all the Pictures I want too of Equipment DISPLAYED in public!!!!!!!! Lady there are NO signs saying NO Picture. But in my mind I knew exactly why she was saying it. Thank you for black listening copy cats that STEAL someone else's hard work at Design. It's great salesman like you to publicly SAY!!!!!! This is a cheap knock off, such Lazy ass for not coming up with there own Design.. Thank you again for doing this video, it must be SHOWN in public these Robbery of someone else's WORK.
I ordered a BigToolRack from Tim a few years ago and it was a hideous price to get to Canada but it is what I wanted and it is everything I imagined it would be for my small farm. It rolls around the shop, I can keep all the shovels, rakes, and other garden tools organized, I haul it out to the garden in the spring for my wife to plant the garden and I use it around the farm on the tractor when I am working on projects. And I got it in red to match my Massey. Sorry, I didn't like how this read. Tim gave me a generous discount, it was the exchange rate, taxes and import duties plus the two hour trip to pick it up at the shipping yard.
Thank you for bringing this to light. I believe it shows integrity to stand for what you believe and not lowering your standards or beliefs for money. You’ll be more blessed down the road.
It’s unfortunate that this happens all the time but you did a good job bringing this particular item to light.
Thanks for watching!
Good for you for speaking up on this issue!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Right on Courtney! Recently the US manufacturer Titan (different than the import house Titan that stocks Chinese and Indian lower grade product) changed their name to IronCraft to distinguish themselves. The differences in welds, paint finish, metal grades on Titan rototillers is dramatic for example (and tiller is India made). To be fair, other countries can make great quality, but labor costs have risen in the "BRIC" countries. And for compact tractor implements, the costs of transport/import mean they have to cut more corners. The result is "cheap", not "value".
Didn't know that about the switch to IronCraft. Good move as they seemed to often be confused. 100% agree about foreign manufacturing. There is plenty of high quality production world wide. Thanks for chiming in!
I literally just came here for this info. We have some Titan equipment purchased last year that is now known as Ironcraft.
I would be very disappointed if we owned something made by thieves.
Relieved to hear it’s not them. Here’s why: I’m literally shopping for one of these tractor tool
Box solutions.
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Good for you for sticking up for Big tool rack, they are the best and so are you for speaking out. Done with Titan!
Very nice to see someone stand up and say something. Not only is it “trashy”, but It’s disrespectful to the core. As I tell my kids all the time, there are all kinds of people in this world…
Thanks for living your ethics. I've always told my kids, " If you dont have the courage to speak up when you see a srong
Thank you for sticking up for small business.
Great video when you have a reputation of honesty you have to stand up for what you think is right! Good job. Honesty’s the best policy.
Kudos Courtney for standing up for what you believe. Knock off equipment I have found ALWAYS is inferior in quality and workmanship and 9 out of 10 times the company will not stand behind their product. It's bad that people are so lazy to think of their own ideas.
As a small business owner as well, I appreciate the drive to do things honestly amd support the value of the IP of others. Thank you! People from MI are the best ;)
I appreciate you sharing this, I will not consider Titan anymore moving forward. I was about to pull the trigger on a pallet fork set up but will find another brand.
40 years ago we built several versions of what is sold today as the big tool rack. We built them because they were useful tools for our farm and many other farmers did the same. Just look back thru 50 years of farm show magazine and see the ingenuity of farmers and what they created because it was useful to them. Many of those items are now marketed and have been refined by major manufacturers for sale to the masses, the old timers laugh and say I built that 50, 60 years ago. No complaints-
I built what I see is the heavy hitch over 40 years ago and could put about 1100 # of weight on it. It was something I needed at the time... I don't envy heavy hitch for their product... I just go out and jump on my old tractors and know that mine still works for the use that it was built for ... added reciever hitch 5 years ago - before that it just had a drawbar hitch ... wagons didn't have ball hitches
I totally agree - Tim has done an amazing job. It’s shameful when other companies do this type of stuff. I will not buy anything from Titan.
Great video, and I am glad you are calling them out! I really enjoy your videos, and you always have really great information!
Nice job young man. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.
Been watching the channel for awhile just don't comment much. Appreciate you calling them out ! I recently bought pallet forks from them, they appear to be well made BUT the paint was tore to hell from FedEx. I asked for touch up paint and they gave me a code to get paint and said would reimburse. Called a few places and nobody knew that code. Last thing I will buy from them for sure !
Nice to see someone with a back bone and stand with another small business owner. Courtney, you're a good guy who just gained more respect from me!
Appreciate you taking a stand against bad business practices.
Thanks for watching Mike!
Morning Courtney. I loved your channel and business before but now I respect you even more. Unbelievable. Thanks for standing up. I have no respect for Titan now and you will never see a Titan product on my channel. I thought Titan was a good North American company. Not anymore. Titan- design your own products!
Thanks Gord. Caught your message to Ross's 1000 Subs video, cracked me up!
@@GoodWorksTractors Yes. That was a great video. Well thought out and executed!
wow this is sad. Thank you Courtney and GP. I own a BigToolRack from Tim. Thank you both for standing up against this hack job and supporting what is right for Tim's sake and this wonderful Tractor community.
Glad to see this video. We smaller businessmen need to stand together to fight against the corporate evil that exists. With that being said I bought a small titan flail a couple years ago. Their salesman told me it was American made and QH compatible. When it arrived it was neither. In trying to get a response from them for their LIES, all I got was crickets.
Courtney that rubs me the wrong way too. I’m glad you called them out on it. I try every chance I get to buy American 🇺🇸.
I Love my Big Tool Rack and Love your TH-cam channel and products. I recently talked to Tim and complained to Titan about their obvious and shitty behavior. All I got was added to their email list. . . Thanks, Courtney, for your support of another excellent company and product. Well done!
Thanks David, take care!
I mean isn't this standard practice? Business owner comes up with idea, realizes the market wont support that price point. Ships manufacturing overseas, builds a small business around this and then is dumbfounded when an identical product hits the market at half their advertised price. All the more reason we need to support bringing manufacturing back in house in country.
If I was to buy one it would still be BTR. You get what you pay for and I’m sure everything from purchase to warranty is so much better from them.
I made my first purchase from Titan this week and based on my experience there will not be a second purchase. Ridiculous. Can't wait to buy from Good Works!
I was just about to purchase some pallet forks from Titan. Not anymore... as a newbie, this video was eye opening. Thank you for creating this awareness.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for calling this out and using your influence to bring this to everyone's attention. I have a BTR and it is an excellent product - both in usefulness and construction. When I was a tractor virgin, I bought pallet forks from Titan. Let's just say I won't ever make that mistake again - they quality just isn't there. I have had excellent customer service from Tim at BTR and from you (Brush Crusher) and I truly appreciate you guys!
As an engineer/inventor who has had ideas and work taken without so much as a thankyou, my best wishes on bringing lowlife companies to their just end.
Thanks for calling them out! The right thing to do.
once again sir well done . thank you forsharing . all the best
It’s a big deal! I have three Titan implements and your right they always have some issue with something. Like not three point hitch compatible
Wowzers, that BigToolRack is cool though! Didn't even finish the video before I was pinging a good buddy of mine about how he needs one for his tractor. :D
Thank you for the heads up, I will never buy anything from Titan from here on out, when I'm ready I'll buy from Big Tool Rack
There is a saying, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". True, but this is theft. Not maybe but out and out theft of patented material. Good on you for your stand up straight and call it like it is attitude. If we had more people with this attitude, business would be much less stressful.
As someone who is brand new to the rural life, and someone who is also trying to make a go of small scale farming, this was a very informative video. I can’t afford to always buy the higher end attachments or equipment. However, as a proud American I can say that whenever I see low class crap like this happen, I ask myself “how long can our country afford to not buy all American made?” The answer is complicated. Since I am not a rich man playing farmer for kicks ( I’m only a fireman) I do have to be judicious on my farm purchases. I cannot stand companies ripping off stuff from others. So, thank you for the education and I can now mark Titan off the list when it comes to purchasing tractor stuff. Btw, these Big Tool Racks look awesome and will own one someday. Lol
I would have done the same thing as you and drop them! Keep doing what you do!!
That is the same Titan company I bought a pine needle rake from this spring, they did a horrible job packing and shipping. Its safe to say anybody buying there other products will received scratched up product also.
Good for you!
Thank you for bringing this issue to light. I don't believe you are overreacting as titan is basically stealing Big Tool Rack's time, effort, and money [titan did not do any of the RND].
It is a big deal to me. Thank you for pointing it out. Using ideas from a product to make something for your own personal use is one thing... copying them for commercial gain is something altogether different. It is just lazy and unethical. And I don't blame you for getting hot under the collar!
Way to go Courtney! I love your videos and have not subscribed yet, well.......until now. I have to admit I have purchased from Titan, and frankly I got what I payed for. This shows the absolute void of integrity that Titan has as a company and will not purchase their items again. Keep up the good work!
Great video. You're a class act.
We own a restaurant in a small town. We welcome any new restaurants and help promote them. It works better for everyone.
Love this video Courtney. Big Tool Rack is on our list to order soon by the way.
Totally agree with you! I despise hacks and cheats and distance myself from them in every way. Thank you for being honorable!
I think it sucks people steal things the way they do. I think your video was very good and handled with taste. If I need what you promote, I would definitely buy from you. I have bought cheaper knock off stuff through my lifetime, and most of the time it ended up costing me in the long run. Buy quality the first time. 😉
You just gained another customer. Titan will never get my business.
How about sell a ballast hardware kit that customer uses with locality sourced 55 gallon drum. Filled with product of choice. Dirt, sand, grave,l cement.
Courtney, having moral principles and sticking to them is seldom an overreaction. Great video!
I understand your reasoning for the venting. It sure seems like there would be a way other than bringing an awareness to people to stop blatant stealing of another person's idea. Unfortunately honor and fortitude is not a universally taught culture. I myself have invented items that later on have been scooped up due to my not patenting them. Yes, it's my fault for not patenting them but it still stings when you witness someone else profiting off of your ingenuity. Patenting unless you have the funds to fight the unscrupulous is just a recommended hindrance to the soulless copycats. If the price is unbelievable, guaranteed the quality is as well. No free lunches! I really appreciate you and your brothers content.
Thanks for the info.
Obviously companies “can” take designs from others, but it rubs me the wrong way as well. I’ve been on the fence about picking up a big tool rack, but this made it easy. Ordering one this weekend. I’ll support the original. Titan won’t get my business.
Thank you!
That big tool rack is seriously 2000. So many good diy videos for something like that. Carry all and some wood and pvc pipe. And ingenuity.
Besides the sleazy business practice of stealing (let's call it what it is) there is the basic principal of acquisition my dad taught me many, many years ago which I have always found to be true: you get what you pay for. And quality is usually less expensive in the long run, not to mention you have a better item to work with and/or enjoy.
Well said...except for Ford trucks and Diamond C trailers 😂
I’ll take another approach to this. They video said numerous modification meaning it’s not the same thing. I’ve seen farmers and homesteaders build similar stuff.
I have no problem with more than one blacksmith in town. I really don’t understand that two places can’t manufacture equipment that may overlap in most of the function, letting quality and cost being the distinguished difference.
It’s kind of hypocritical to promote/ sell summit tractors if you think that only only the first company should exist.
Many people would never be able to get tools if harbor freight didn’t exist. Should we all be stuck paying for snap on?
Competing companies is not a bad thing for anyone, including those forced to improve products.
There’s a big difference in OEMs that make vehicles, planes, tractors and such. Incredibly complex machinery.
I have no problem with competition and said so. However, I could probably sketch up 50 different designs - different sizes, functions, features, etc. so many ways to make a carry all. You have to look really close to see if it’s the Big Tool Rack or not. Why not make an original of their own?
@@GoodWorksTractors valid point. I didn't realize they were exactly the same size, same holes, etc.. I'll have to check that out.
Best diy counter balance I have seen there be 2 one was concrete build a form and 3 point support placed inside and filled with cement other same consent hustle used 55 gallon drum cut down and filled with cement works great for orchard use loading bins of fruit fluid filled tires and concrete filled counter balance
Others used 3 point hitch forks and carry bins front and back and use rear bin as counter balance while loading stacked bins of fruit
You are over the target, I have saying these things for a couple years. 👍😎🇺🇸
Thanks for shining a light on this flagrant patent violation. Hopefully, the folks at BTR can go after them in court, but the best revenge would be for no one to buy these knockoffs and have them end up on a slow boat back to China.
If it's not completely patented, it's fair game. Not saying that Titan copying it is cool, but it is what it is. If you're going to put a unique product in the market, you have to do whatever you can to protect it. I've bought several attachments from Titan that are of excellent quality and I'd buy from them again if they have the best product at the best price.
Great video as always!. This is a maddening thing to hear, but as you said it happens a lot. This is why i deal with gwt. Every thing you sell is the real deal not as shown here. Also add that you put all or most of the products through there paces. I have stated in other past video comments this is why i will continue to deal with gwt . Do not have to worry about things like what titan did. Will not buy from them until they get there ethical business practice back. Anyway have a great day Courtney and Chis and be safe. Tim
Good on you Courtney, titans business practices are shameful for sure, they copied us many years ago so I know how Tim/BTR feels.
Should be noted when you say “Titan” you should add attachments because there is also a Titan Implement which is American made vs Titan attachment which is Chinese. Titan implement, so far has been a great company by my standards. Never bought a product from Titan attachments as I try not to support the Chinese. This video just further solidifies my choice to not buy made in china garbage. Keep up the good work Courtney!
I would argue this is the kind of IP we should be protecting; rather than giving Disney near-unlimited copyright or the NFL non-profit status. I don't always agree with your business calls (who does) but I've always agreed with the rationale behind them. Respect to you, Courtney.
I bought one thing from Titan Attachments and it failed and they basically said that's to bad.
Have a friend that has a small paint store and has a sign over the checkout counter and it says
ONLY THE RICH CAN AFFORD CHEAP!!!!
more people should stand up and "vent"
Is there any 3pt fork lift attachments out there, just thinking of moving pallets around, mounting my sprayer and other things that we use,
while leaving the bucket on, and using it for balest
Not that I’m aware of. We’re working on a version though
I think you’re right on track Courtney they’re figuring out a way of taking one or two more percent off of what you get that’s Obvious
Can you do another dirt dog tiller video I am looking to buy one and I was wondering if you could do an in depth review.
I've been meaning too, but starting to run out of tilling weather. Might not get to it until next spring.
I understand the Titan Implements made in Tennessee got tired of being confused with the Titan Attachments imported from China and changed their name to IronCraft. I assume the knockoff you're talking about is the Chinese importer Titan Attachment?
I created an innovative product back in the 90s and after a couple years of growth someone bought two of them... I was impressed! Then a few months later a duplicate of my product showed up on shelves from that person. I couldn't afford to out market him and his was a cheap copy, so I gave the company away to someone who gave up a year later. The thief then went on to grow a company that employs 15 or so with many other products. I don't even get a Christmas card lol. I'm of course partially to blame for not defending myself, but it was a huge kick in the gut, and I didn't have the heart to go at it.
Thank you Courtney! It’s very sad I truly don’t know how these folks sleep at night this is just wrong!!! We worked very hard to come up with the Bigtoolrack with years of product development then to get a company that does this is just so wrong. They are stealing from my family! We want nothing to do with them! I can only hope people see what kind of company they are….
Hopefully you can at least get a cease and desist. Your patent is clearly being violated!
Keep up the good work Tim. You're building a business to be proud of.
Tim, your product is amazing Sir. I'm sorry to hear about this hack knockoff. Thank you Courtney for sticking up for this wonderful tractor community.
I see in one of your ads that the BTR is "proudly made in USA". Does this mean "assembled in USA of global components" or is the steel actually fabricated in the USA?
@@LisaMedeiros-tr2lz Hello Lisa we are a global manufacturer that builds and sell’s BigToolRacks all over the world just like the major tractor brands. That said we have a plant in the USA that builds our Ultimate Rack and many other items we sell with American Steel and American workers 100% from start to finish. We also build our Ultimate Racks and some other products at our plan in India. Both are state of the art facilities that build top quality products and that is most import to us, we will not put our name on anything that is not the best quality. We are an American Family run business that treats our customers the way we would want to be treated, we have morals and values and respect for each others intellectual property unlike some others. That said we can sleep at night knowing we are doing the right thing. I started this company from nothing ten years ago and we have grown it to what it is today. I would not have it any other way. Thank you for your inquiry I hope I answered your question. Feel free to contact me on my website. Tim Owner and Founder Morris CT.
Thanx. No Titan products for me. Ever.
Personally, I respect people who stick to their core values. If you wouldn't do something underhanded, why would you support someone who did in order to benefit yourself? I think that is an example of the character traits missing these days. People still think they have good moral values, but if we evaluate our daily decisions do they align with how we perceive ourselves? I have chosen not to purchase products or do business with many companies in recent years because their values don't align with mine in key areas. Has it inconvenienced me and caused me certain sacrifices? Yes, but I didnt compromise my personal integrity. Which is much more valuable to me. I respect your decision to stand behind your values and will support you for it.
Thank you Jeff, I appreciate it!
Idk why people buy things from "titan" or "pallet forks" or "skid steer attachments". Spend 1hr searching the net and more than likely you will find an American company with American people selling the same thing for the same or less. I did when I was looking for a set of forks..intact my "express steel" (and American company) cost hundreds less and shipped freight for free.
Companies have always done that. It's unfortunate but true. Where it's manufactured doesn't matter.
Agreed
R2 is in my backyard and those guys are first rate for sure. Sad to see anyone out there trying to capitalize on other peoples time and effort engineering quality products. I applaud your decision to throw Titans business practice back in their face.
Have a good one David!
The R2 guys are great! Thank you for your support!
I haven’t had a good look at the Titan product, but my first impression is that it is the econo version. It looks junky, but it probably is a lot better than nothing-which brings up the point of whether or not it’s a bad thing… if Big Tools have a cheaper option that is in more direct competition, then that’s one thing, but between their ultimate setup and that titan, I would assume, besides some inevitable overlap, that they are serving two different markets. But I will say, my first instinct was to look and see if I can get the same thing for half the price. Whatever, our gov’ts (I’m Canadian) have done in the past, to open up the market to overseas, they’ve got this kind of blood on their hands. It’s a bit like blood diamonds… and supply and demand curves… although diamonds are kind of a terrible example, as higher prices tend to create higher demand..l but if you cut the price in half, we have our cake and eat it too. ‘Consumption’ is like an appetite, right… just look at our own and know we are pretty much all hypocrites, as we don’t just want a piece of the cake but the whole dang thing. So in this case it’s close to your heart, which is understandable, as we stand with our friends… but really those who we aren’t close to, will suffer from this same thing, because we just don’t really care that much or even see the need to. So at the end of the day buying and selling the dirty part of any/every business… just look at-as a metaphor for a similar thing-how certain companies plant a tree or some gimmick to try and help alleviate the guilt (optics) of the harm they do (to the planet) with every sale they make… But (maybe) we can only cleanse it so much.
Well, I'll admit, I bought a set of pallet forks from Titan. Price was good, they were on sale. I can say, that will be the only thing I own from them, their not even that great on prices anymore! In the market for a flail mower, and for what you get for the money, what they offer doesn't have much value. I mean, if you want cheap Chinese, you're better off buying from Betsco! You get the a very similar product, for 1000-1500 less. Just my opinion!
Haha, good stuff Sean
I've been ripped off before and It sucks for sure. But you have to admit, $2k is pretty darn expensive for what it is, and that opens the door for others to offer something more affordable. People can look at each one and determine which one fits their needs, quality, features, and budget. I imagine its pretty hard to patent a tool rack since there are so many DIY versions way before this one, so the idea isn't new or fresh and it would be difficult to hold the patent if challenged in court. Maybe your vendor should offer multiple levels at different price ranges? I know I sure wouldn't invest that type of money for that, but maybe some are, to each their own. Just because "I" won't pay that type of grub for one doesn't mean its right, and I agree with your choice and your professionalism to expose it and have restraint.
I have no issue with competition which is stated in the video. A carry all could be made in dozens or hundreds of ways. Incredible that the version they come out with looks exactly like the BTR without a close inspection.
@@GoodWorksTractors Yes, and that is why a closed my comment by stating I agreed with your choice (and reasoning). The products are so similar, that to some purchasers, they could actually think they're buying the same product for a much cheaper price, which could be bad. They should have at least tried to make it their own and not a direct copy (like you stated), but the guy that copied it, honestly, probably doesn't have the know how to do that. Most everything he offers is pretty much copied. What is really bad, are direct, inferior clones, that even rip off the brand names! Pure fraud. You're bring to light that hey, these aren't the same products, and as long as folks know that, you've done your job. Kudos.
@@RJMachine62 yeah I get it, I was just reiterating. Have a good one and thanks for watching!
Thanks for that information.
You get what you pay for. Quality cost more period. If you fight with what ever you buy it makes the $ savings not worth a darn.
Its a damn shame. I am a big fan of Big Tool Rack I remember when they started I thought it was an awesome idea. Now their being ripped off for being smart.
Big Tool Rack’s patent’s claims all seem to require having that hitch receiver on the back (which you pointed out near the end of the video). Titan Attachment’s product doesn’t appear to have a receiver there so they not only (probably) avoid the patent, but save some steel since they don’t need to have a beefy structure to safely tow a trailer. I don’t mean to play devil’s advocate here. It certainly looks like a clone with at least one less feature.
The sad thing is there are always scum lawyers that will protect the IP thieves. So, IF you go after them even with a "perfect case" YOU might actually lose and have to pay them. . . Yes, I recently had a legal situation like this. Our court and legal systems need a do over. . .
Props to you for dropping the thieves. If only all businesses had this level integrity the thieves wouldn't be profitable . . .
Stay with your beliefs about rip off companies good on you
Flaunting in your face that they think they can get away with it. Sometimes to deal with patents is to mass produce the item right out of the gate to establish your trademark. Some inventors go as far as to forgo patents for mass production and establish an unsurmountable market that nobody would dare challenge. A patent can become the blueprint for just another man's minor alteration and new patent.