you mean trying to force your own opinion down other peoples throats.. no one wants to hear you spread lies like that which is why they get defensive..
I'm old enough to remember watching that on the news, whilst the troubles were going on. An older guy just up the street from me served there with the Irish army as part of the UN forces. I was talking to him round Halloween 2023, and he was speaking about his unit being tasked with exhuming a mass grave in Bosnia. He's not a person for talking about his time in the Irish army / UN. But even then he was saying Gaza is going to be nothing but mass graves every few hundred yards, if it's not stopped by the new year. He was saying people think that a mass grave needs to be a hundred, or thousands of people buried in one place. When it could be fewer than one truck load of people taken off the road and shot. I also know lads who served with the Irish army / UN in Lebanon, and none of them have a good word to say about the IDF. The IDF tanks would fire over the UN posts, using them as cover, as well as HMG fire. They hated being stuck there, powerless to do anything. Or the IDF would stop their APC, and effectively waste time as they used the UN troops as human shields. Basically use tones of red tape, and jobs worth BS to keep the UN troops there whilst they dig in, or whatever. Same when they'd head out to check on say a local village within their zone. Every IDF unit would waste as much time as they could, so most times they either got there the next day, or had no choice but to return to their post again.
@ UN in Bosnia was used for political purposes. Sometimes they helped, often they were an illusion. UN food convoys did help while a lot of it went to the war profiteering. Still I would not have survived without it. The troops themselvs were wonderful. As Kids they were very nice to us often giving us food when food was scarce. If the US would allow UN peace keeps in Gaza it would make some difference. At least they would bear witness and the perhaps slow down the horrors. It’s not going to happen.
I was in Bosnia six months ago and learnt all about the horror you went through. It was as brutal as world war 2 on a smaller scale . For you to say Gaza is on another level makes me even more sad . The UN utterly failed to protect Bosnians and it's failed again with Palestine 😢. I could scream at Anthony Blinken he's an utter disgrace of a man
fellow bosnian, completely agree. i've heard so many people in the community say they used to hope that, if people could see what was happening to them, they would stop it. now we're seeing with gaza that it wouldn't have made a difference.
Those interviews are recent, but as Sam said, israelis have been saying these kinds of things for decades, I've been following the Palestinian issue for over a decade, along with western and geopolitics - I've been pissed off, but I haven't been surprised.
There is a movie called 'Zone of Interest' ...that movie is a mirror image of what the palestinian are going threw... the director is jewish and he does not support isreal
I can see what that lady at the end of the video was saying about Palestinian women and children as something a literal Nazi housewife would say to justify the extermination of her own ancestors in 1930s Germany. Maybe the comparison is not one-to-one but the sentiment is the same.
the last lady[israel commenting about the palestinians] reminds me so much of the well trodden quote used by Gideon levy where Golda mier said "But we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children." which i think says so much :( which as Gideon explains "we are the victims, we are the only victims" even in a occupation :(
@@Wise__guy Well if your using WW2 as an example and TH-cam is doing it deliberately then yes they would be complicit as German journalists were put on trial for their role in spreading of propaganda or preventing specific information from getting out to he public and the wider world.
Looking back at American history, I can't help but wonder if Netanyahu had a deal with Trump to keep the war going until after the inauguration. I guess we'll find out if it ends soon but I'm not holding my breath just yet.
Actually, parents, teachers etc in Gaza are absolutely trying to continue the education of the kids while they are under siege. The same as they did in Warsaw Ghetto and elsewhere. When your kids are starving and they have little to do besides play in ruins and fear dying, occupying them with something positive that engages their minds, educates them ie future looking, can be the best thing. The war isn't going to last forever and those kids need an education. Being 2 yrs behind or more isn't going to help them rebuild their lives. It isn't "education before food", it is "education when there is no food. "
I cant stop thinking about all the mothers with children who have open fractures and no hospital to take them to. Like what do you even do as a parent? There are starving, freezing infants rn whos femur bones are compound fractured through the skin and no hospital to go to bc isrl destroyed them all with our money.
Regarding apartheid, they definitely did say that. They said none of the black population were from South Africa, they were nomadic. They said they should go to their own provinces and tribes. That was the philosophy which underpinned the Bantustans. Essentially, the black population had other places to go, and the white population were original to South Africa and had the requisite heritage to claim the land....
It's worth mentioning that Corey Gil Shuster recently commented on a pro-Palestinian youtuber's video claiming he's obsessed with Jews for covering israel, and deflected israel's genocide by citing a number of other conflicts (some of which they had a hand in). Corey does not subtitle what Palestinians are saying despite often having a translator with him, and he argues with them more than with this Israeli woman dehumanizing Palestinians and Arabs as a whole. For example, a Palestinian Israeli said they are against zionism, not Jews, and Corey said claimed there's no non-zionist jews. He'll also do things like ask where they're from until they say somewhere like "Egypt" to suggest Palestinians aren't indigenous, and therefore it's okay for israelis to seize and and settle in their land. He's very much a zionist, and I wouldn't be surprised if he believes what that woman was saying, and thought he was trying to humanize her.
Wow, you surprised me! When you said "Holocaust museum in Houston", I figured it probably wasn't about the Holocaust at all, but about abortion. But it turned out to actually be about genocide? My faith in humanity is restored. At least, for a minute or two.
idek what to say or feel about this shit anymore. Its not going to get better and the people who support the genocide are beyond saving and cannot even bring themselves to see Palestinians as anymore than rodents. its just a pit of darkness that gets deeper, we literally can’t do anything more than tell other people about this pit, and 90% of the time i tell other people about it im met with “dang, thats messed up whats going on between Israel and Palestine.” i feel so hopeless and heartbroken about this
Damn the censor... took my comment down. Lets try a different way. Whatever you do, dont watch the interviews hamzah saadah has with Israelis.... definitely not a sociopathic society... 🫠
Most Americans think Genocide means holocaust you need to be pretty deep into international law or the free Palestine movement as an American to know Genocide and Holocaust is different. The hand ringing to make normal Americans sound crazy when you are using terminology they understand very differently is disingenuous
Seychelles has the most moral army and people in the world. Never shot anyone waving a white flag. Never sexually abused prisoners. Never bombed schools,hospitals or mosques. Never occupied anyone and we don’t practice apartheid.
the bosnian genocide consisted of 100,000 people being killed, the primary target being bosniaks, and over a million people being displaced. the 8,372 figure refers only to srebrenica because the international courts have failed bosnia by not recognizing genocide done throughout the country (and also rewarding the perpetrators with almost half the land). however, even if it was only ~8,000, it would still be genocide because the definition is focused on intent. wrt palestine now, no matter if we're going off of sheer numbers or communicated intent, it could not be more clear that what Israel is doing to Palestinians, at the very least Palestinians in gaza, is genocide. i sincerely hope international courts are able to deliver justice for Palestinians that they failed to deliver us, but seeing the west's response thus far, it's extremely hard to imagine.
Mahmoud Abbas won't call for new elections. When he illegally deposed Ismail Haniyeh as PM in 2007 at the behest of the USA, he pretty much closed up shop. He refuses to hold a general election for fear of being voted out of office. This is a parliamentary system. Hamas can't do anything except press for elections, which they've done for 15 years.
Biden also has his senate career as a staunch zionist so I think he takes it in the complicity competition but he hasnt been awake for the past year and a half so I wouldnt be surprised if Blinken was calling the shots more often on Israeli relations. Both are demons with lakes of blood on their hands
I watch this guy's channel pretty often. It's just crazy to see how far brainwashed these people are? You start to think it's intentional and they know better but then again maybe it's what they really believe.
Luckily for me in Canada the NDP Party were the first to call for a Ceasefire and Cessation of Arms going to Apartheid Israel. Will be voting for them again in the upcoming election where Justin Trudeau will be tossed out. We'll likely get a Conservative Majority Government for a few years before the pendulum swings back Left. Never reward those who support Genocide - even if it means your country being punished with a bad politician getting into power.
Stupid America has given lying isreal over 600 billion taxpayers dollars and they have universal healthcare,free education and a border wall. AIPAC bought 2 seats in congress this year for over 30 million dollars. Your congress,senate and White House is owned by lying isreal. Vote,pay your taxes and obey.
The bar is so incredibly low to be worse than biden, I find it difficult to take you liberals seriously. Either you aren't looking at the flattened buildings and children's heads on the daily ... or you're really just as bad as the Israelis that will justify genocide for your safety and comfort.
I suppose if I had a further drive I'd listen to Democracy Now I'd hear the word Gaza. We just don't talk about it anymore. I guess we're all bracing for Trump
I am an American Jew living in Israel. What would happen if tomorrow all Jews would magically vanish from Palestine/Israel? There would be a country the size of Massachusetts inhabited by 7 million Muslims. 2 million would be former Israeli citizens who would probably be regarded as traitors by the other 5 million. A couple of million would be more secular Palestinians and supporters of Fatah. Several million would be more religious and supporters of Hamas. A civil war would immediately break out similar to the Battle of Gaza in 2007. In the end Palestine would be governed by an authoritarian Islamic regime allied with Iran which might well attack neighboring Jordan and be in conflict with Egypt and Saudi Arabia. It would be a supporter of Hezbollah in Lebanon. Unless you are Muslim, I don't see the upside here.
@@hanswurst5433 I think I know a little more about what's going on here than the average American or European. Also, instead of an illogical ad hominem, can you say something intelligent?
@@moma8956 I assume that this comment will be deleted because it's pro-Jewish. However can anyone explain why a Hamas government would be better than the current Israeli government?
Do these hosts understand guerilla warfare? Do they know that Egypt has kept the border closed since the beginning? Same level of humanity they reckon, yet this isnt the first time Palestinians have taken hostages and claimed to fight to the end..
This is exactly what Hamas wanted when they attacked Israel In October 2023. They wanted Hezbollah and Iran to attack Israel. Unfortunately for Hamas Hezbollah lost and Iran is damaged.
When calling out a Genocide as a Genocide, upsets some people more than the Genocide itself, being lost for words is an understatement
It seems that a genocide is only instigated by people who aren’t our friends.
My use of the g word once got my comment deleted
you mean trying to force your own opinion down other peoples throats.. no one wants to hear you spread lies like that which is why they get defensive..
@@jfern6673 Which lies, man?
@jfern6673 facts don't care about your feelings. Learn law.
As a Bosnian I would say horror should not be compared but I can honestly say that Gaza is on another level.
I'm old enough to remember watching that on the news, whilst the troubles were going on. An older guy just up the street from me served there with the Irish army as part of the UN forces. I was talking to him round Halloween 2023, and he was speaking about his unit being tasked with exhuming a mass grave in Bosnia.
He's not a person for talking about his time in the Irish army / UN. But even then he was saying Gaza is going to be nothing but mass graves every few hundred yards, if it's not stopped by the new year. He was saying people think that a mass grave needs to be a hundred, or thousands of people buried in one place. When it could be fewer than one truck load of people taken off the road and shot.
I also know lads who served with the Irish army / UN in Lebanon, and none of them have a good word to say about the IDF. The IDF tanks would fire over the UN posts, using them as cover, as well as HMG fire. They hated being stuck there, powerless to do anything. Or the IDF would stop their APC, and effectively waste time as they used the UN troops as human shields.
Basically use tones of red tape, and jobs worth BS to keep the UN troops there whilst they dig in, or whatever. Same when they'd head out to check on say a local village within their zone. Every IDF unit would waste as much time as they could, so most times they either got there the next day, or had no choice but to return to their post again.
@ UN in Bosnia was used for political purposes. Sometimes they helped, often they were an illusion. UN food convoys did help while a lot of it went to the war profiteering. Still I would not have survived without it. The troops themselvs were wonderful. As Kids they were very nice to us often giving us food when food was scarce. If the US would allow UN peace keeps in Gaza it would make some difference. At least they would bear witness and the perhaps slow down the horrors. It’s not going to happen.
@@bosnianlady10they want no one to tell the tales…
I was in Bosnia six months ago and learnt all about the horror you went through. It was as brutal as world war 2 on a smaller scale . For you to say Gaza is on another level makes me even more sad . The UN utterly failed to protect Bosnians and it's failed again with Palestine 😢. I could scream at Anthony Blinken he's an utter disgrace of a man
fellow bosnian, completely agree. i've heard so many people in the community say they used to hope that, if people could see what was happening to them, they would stop it. now we're seeing with gaza that it wouldn't have made a difference.
Those interviews are recent, but as Sam said, israelis have been saying these kinds of things for decades, I've been following the Palestinian issue for over a decade, along with western and geopolitics - I've been pissed off, but I haven't been surprised.
There is a movie called 'Zone of Interest' ...that movie is a mirror image of what the palestinian are going threw... the director is jewish and he does not support isreal
I can see what that lady at the end of the video was saying about Palestinian women and children as something a literal Nazi housewife would say to justify the extermination of her own ancestors in 1930s Germany. Maybe the comparison is not one-to-one but the sentiment is the same.
Many sentences have been repeated verbatim, save for replacing Jew with Palestinian. Zone of Interest def came out at the perfect time
Love her completely American accent as she says Palestinians don't exist on the land she's squatting on
She isn't repeating the words of a Nazi. She IS a Nazi.
That lady being interviewed at the 16 minute mark got my blood boiling.
same 😡
the last lady[israel commenting about the palestinians] reminds me so much of the well trodden quote used by Gideon levy where Golda mier said "But we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children." which i think says so much :( which as Gideon explains "we are the victims, we are the only victims" even in a occupation :(
Is every video with the word Gaza suppressed in the YT algorithm????
Does it make TH-cam complicit in the genocide?
@@Wise__guyradio rawanda
@@Wise__guyi mean if they are trying to supress people from reporting on the genoicide and shedding light on it then yes i would call that complicity
Dunno if 'Gaza' is deprioritized, but the word 'genocide' is absolutely deprioritized.
@@Wise__guy Well if your using WW2 as an example and TH-cam is doing it deliberately then yes they would be complicit as German journalists were put on trial for their role in spreading of propaganda or preventing specific information from getting out to he public and the wider world.
Looking back at American history, I can't help but wonder if Netanyahu had a deal with Trump to keep the war going until after the inauguration. I guess we'll find out if it ends soon but I'm not holding my breath just yet.
Reagan is the example I would think of as proof that this is possible.
Expanding to Iran is my guess. And keep Gaza on the side burner but definitely still in play.
Trump is the antichrist, he will bring fake peace ! Just wait !
With Biden as an active collaborator. Batshit.
Too heart breaking for me to watch
I've shared this video, Sam and Emma. Props to Corey Gil-Shuster for coming back with "How do you know that?" 👍
I think perhaps food and water shouldn't be after education
Actually, parents, teachers etc in Gaza are absolutely trying to continue the education of the kids while they are under siege. The same as they did in Warsaw Ghetto and elsewhere.
When your kids are starving and they have little to do besides play in ruins and fear dying, occupying them with something positive that engages their minds, educates them ie future looking, can be the best thing.
The war isn't going to last forever and those kids need an education. Being 2 yrs behind or more isn't going to help them rebuild their lives.
It isn't "education before food", it is "education when there is no food. "
I cant stop thinking about all the mothers with children who have open fractures and no hospital to take them to. Like what do you even do as a parent? There are starving, freezing infants rn whos femur bones are compound fractured through the skin and no hospital to go to bc isrl destroyed them all with our money.
Regarding apartheid, they definitely did say that. They said none of the black population were from South Africa, they were nomadic. They said they should go to their own provinces and tribes. That was the philosophy which underpinned the Bantustans. Essentially, the black population had other places to go, and the white population were original to South Africa and had the requisite heritage to claim the land....
I mean, they STILL say that whenever talk of “white genocide” in South Africa comes up.
That woman sounds like she could be from Long Island, Philadelphia or Baltimore. Pure racism with regard to Palestinian or other Arab Nations.
Great analysis and values, guys!
Benjamin Netanyahu thinks all 2 million Palestinians are Hamas
They are
@@Trident6037explain?
It's worth mentioning that Corey Gil Shuster recently commented on a pro-Palestinian youtuber's video claiming he's obsessed with Jews for covering israel, and deflected israel's genocide by citing a number of other conflicts (some of which they had a hand in). Corey does not subtitle what Palestinians are saying despite often having a translator with him, and he argues with them more than with this Israeli woman dehumanizing Palestinians and Arabs as a whole. For example, a Palestinian Israeli said they are against zionism, not Jews, and Corey said claimed there's no non-zionist jews. He'll also do things like ask where they're from until they say somewhere like "Egypt" to suggest Palestinians aren't indigenous, and therefore it's okay for israelis to seize and and settle in their land. He's very much a zionist, and I wouldn't be surprised if he believes what that woman was saying, and thought he was trying to humanize her.
Also he's a Canadian who moved to iSteal
Wow, you surprised me! When you said "Holocaust museum in Houston", I figured it probably wasn't about the Holocaust at all, but about abortion. But it turned out to actually be about genocide? My faith in humanity is restored. At least, for a minute or two.
History will remember bLinken
I hope it will be by his prison cell number.
blinken should meet the mario brothers
Wow 😮 Just wow
lol hasbara really latched onto this video in specific.
idek what to say or feel about this shit anymore. Its not going to get better and the people who support the genocide are beyond saving and cannot even bring themselves to see Palestinians as anymore than rodents. its just a pit of darkness that gets deeper, we literally can’t do anything more than tell other people about this pit, and 90% of the time i tell other people about it im met with “dang, thats messed up whats going on between Israel and Palestine.” i feel so hopeless and heartbroken about this
Governor of Pennsylvania shut down the protests at Univ. Penn.
"twisted" is the right word. what a horrible woman
Tautology is the word you are looking for to describe the interlocking circular logic loops.
I just have no words anymore.
Damn the censor... took my comment down. Lets try a different way. Whatever you do, dont watch the interviews hamzah saadah has with Israelis.... definitely not a sociopathic society... 🫠
TH-cam is getting absolutely ridiculous with deleting comments
@@KG9551yeah, my comments have been disappearing for months at this point. It's rly frustrating....
@@bbo7002 My friend Jenny side says the same thing. Been going on for a while.
Sociopathic society? you talking about the refugees ravaging through Europe, from a certain religion of peace.
@@iambored9872 No, we're talking about warmongering imperialists who've made the refugees of the "religion of peace" come.
Most Americans think Genocide means holocaust you need to be pretty deep into international law or the free Palestine movement as an American to know Genocide and Holocaust is different. The hand ringing to make normal Americans sound crazy when you are using terminology they understand very differently is disingenuous
Jfc what monsters 👀
Thank goodness you guys are still reporting on this, because here in Britain (except really for Channel 4 News) this is hardly getting any coverage...
Seychelles has the most moral army and people in the world.
Never shot anyone waving a white flag.
Never sexually abused prisoners.
Never bombed schools,hospitals or mosques.
Never occupied anyone and we don’t practice apartheid.
the bosnian genocide consisted of 100,000 people being killed, the primary target being bosniaks, and over a million people being displaced. the 8,372 figure refers only to srebrenica because the international courts have failed bosnia by not recognizing genocide done throughout the country (and also rewarding the perpetrators with almost half the land). however, even if it was only ~8,000, it would still be genocide because the definition is focused on intent. wrt palestine now, no matter if we're going off of sheer numbers or communicated intent, it could not be more clear that what Israel is doing to Palestinians, at the very least Palestinians in gaza, is genocide. i sincerely hope international courts are able to deliver justice for Palestinians that they failed to deliver us, but seeing the west's response thus far, it's extremely hard to imagine.
Reminds me of the Empire files .
Scholasticide... I'm at a loss for words
bump
I already quit , now what are we going to do
Gaza is Gone.
It's not coming back.
The settlers already bought the land, rebuilding new settlements will take place end of 2025
Last elections in Gaza were held in 2007, what happened?
Mahmoud Abbas won't call for new elections. When he illegally deposed Ismail Haniyeh as PM in 2007 at the behest of the USA, he pretty much closed up shop. He refuses to hold a general election for fear of being voted out of office.
This is a parliamentary system. Hamas can't do anything except press for elections, which they've done for 15 years.
I'm wondering who is more guilty, Biden or Blinken.
Biden also has his senate career as a staunch zionist so I think he takes it in the complicity competition but he hasnt been awake for the past year and a half so I wouldnt be surprised if Blinken was calling the shots more often on Israeli relations. Both are demons with lakes of blood on their hands
yes
I watch this guy's channel pretty often. It's just crazy to see how far brainwashed these people are? You start to think it's intentional and they know better but then again maybe it's what they really believe.
Sure you do...
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Israeli bot.
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At who's expense, HAMAS!!!!
16:51 She has an American accent tho 😅
Did the other 95 percent take a position?
FREE HUMANITY🕊🇵🇸🌍🇧🇷🕊FREE PALESTINE
Algi
Thanks Obama
And this is the Biden administration, imagine how the Trump administration would think..…
I'm just glad the people who protest voted didn't stain their moral character
Blue MAGA wanna tut-tut people after your administration just gave Israel 8 billion to continue this.
Luckily for me in Canada the NDP Party were the first to call for a Ceasefire and Cessation of Arms going to Apartheid Israel.
Will be voting for them again in the upcoming election where Justin Trudeau will be tossed out. We'll likely get a Conservative Majority Government for a few years before the pendulum swings back Left. Never reward those who support Genocide - even if it means your country being punished with a bad politician getting into power.
Oh yes, voting in Biden/Kamala would stop the genocide/Israelis... who exactly do you think has been in power this entire horrific affair? Hello??
Hell yeah.
you guys are comical.
Stupid America has given lying isreal over 600 billion taxpayers dollars and they have universal healthcare,free education and a border wall.
AIPAC bought 2 seats in congress this year for over 30 million dollars.
Your congress,senate and White House is owned by lying isreal.
Vote,pay your taxes and obey.
To the "genocide Joe" section of the progressive left...
Did you really think trump was going to be good for Gaza?!?!
" _Did you really think trump was going to be good for Gaza?!?!_ "
Is he going to be worse? Is he going to have Israel commit double genocide?
Trump cant be worse than Genocide Joe & Jane.
Get over yourself Blue Maga. He just gave them 8 billion more to continue this.
The bar is so incredibly low to be worse than biden, I find it difficult to take you liberals seriously. Either you aren't looking at the flattened buildings and children's heads on the daily ... or you're really just as bad as the Israelis that will justify genocide for your safety and comfort.
They both can be evil. If they are two genocidal men I will support neither.
I suppose if I had a further drive I'd listen to Democracy Now I'd hear the word Gaza. We just don't talk about it anymore. I guess we're all bracing for Trump
I am an American Jew living in Israel. What would happen if tomorrow all Jews would magically vanish from Palestine/Israel? There would be a country the size of Massachusetts inhabited by 7 million Muslims. 2 million would be former Israeli citizens who would probably be regarded as traitors by the other 5 million. A couple of million would be more secular Palestinians and supporters of Fatah. Several million would be more religious and supporters of Hamas. A civil war would immediately break out similar to the Battle of Gaza in 2007. In the end Palestine would be governed by an authoritarian Islamic regime allied with Iran which might well attack neighboring Jordan and be in conflict with Egypt and Saudi Arabia. It would be a supporter of Hezbollah in Lebanon. Unless you are Muslim, I don't see the upside here.
When an American Jew living in Israel describes the Middle East...
Summary: *apartheid apologia*
*Aparth*id apologia*
@@hanswurst5433 I think I know a little more about what's going on here than the average American or European. Also, instead of an illogical ad hominem, can you say something intelligent?
@@moma8956 I assume that this comment will be deleted because it's pro-Jewish. However can anyone explain why a Hamas government would be better than the current Israeli government?
Do these hosts understand guerilla warfare? Do they know that Egypt has kept the border closed since the beginning? Same level of humanity they reckon, yet this isnt the first time Palestinians have taken hostages and claimed to fight to the end..
Hamas initiated this war and is ultimately responsible for all the devastation.
Hamas didn’t occupy their own lands since 1948.
Genocide is not self defense.
Hamas should go back to the Gaza ghetto that Israel created for them. /s
No. Israel did 48 years ago
Not going to work move along
lesson learn do not start a war.....full stop
Wow, how did you come up with that one?
Genocide is bad, yes?
Marika, let's hope you didn't procreate.... can't imagine being your son.
@@outfeeler from the HASBARA playbook and paybook.
@@WiesSteyvers Not the $Billions from Qatar?
sounds like the people in gaza shouldn't start wars they can't win.
Sounds like you have no problems with war crimes if being committed by "your team"
Sounds like they shouldn't have been herded up like animals in their own land 😡
How is having another group plonk themselves on your land, treat you as the "other" and herd you up like animals their own fault ?
The people in Gaza didn't start anything dip wad. Civilans are innocent and to collectively punish them is a war crime. 🙄 lunatic
They didn't start it, they were invaded over 60 yrs ago by Israeli Jews..
This is exactly what Hamas wanted when they attacked Israel In October 2023. They wanted Hezbollah and Iran to attack Israel. Unfortunately for Hamas Hezbollah lost and Iran is damaged.