Just want to let Prof. Christopher Gardner know that his effort did make an impact, at least on me. After listening to his previous interview, I start eating some legumes everyday, which replace my consumption of red meat. I feel full for longer, and have a more stable blood sugar (measured by continuous glucose monitor). I still eat meat so I am not a vegetarian, but I think this is better for me and the planet/animals.
how on earth could a high-sugar food (beans are mostly carbohydrates. This is an inarguable fact) measure a more stable blood sugar than a no-sugar food? That's literally impossible barring a malfunctioning device or dishonest statement, and since its the internet, my guess is the latter. I just gave birth to a Tyrannosaur. See, I can make stuff up, too.
Excellent! The process in meat alternatives is not the most dangerous thing. It is the type of processed additives that are dangerous. This podcast once again has taught me one of many very important lessons: Don’t be lazy and take responsibility of knowing the ingredients in your foods- no matter how tedious it may seem. Our food industry is corrupt and filling the pockets of media & politicians
A Belgian study just showed that supermarket waffles and pancakes contain 30 000x the allowable amount of a certain toxin. You'd never know this, because the ingredients used don't contain this toxin, it is all a product of the processing. Fake meat is a huge NO NO for me. It smells funky, it's hyper processed, it simply shouldn't exist.
This comment section is already absolutely wild and the episode was published just 4 hours ago. Seems some people did not listen to the podcast (yes it is UP, but the result is that eating this is still healthier than eating daily red meat), some people are just stuck in their world, and some people are actually lost in conspiracy theories (I'm sorry). Thanks for the episode, I enjoyed it!
He’s a paid shill for fake meat corporations. And no way this is better than high quality pasture raised beef. It’s a lousy study with loaded dice. Real problem is how junk science like this tries to get omnivores to become vegetarian, and then vegan and then develop health problems and maybe an eating disorder. Sick.
I would rather just become a vegetarian or a vegan than eat these fake meat over processed stuff. I'm over the over processed food. There are so many delicious plant foods that we just don't need this. They are still trying to sell a product that they spent so much time and money on that so few people want. If we want to get people eating less meat, we need to teach people how to cook tasty plants. Not making substitutes for animal products. Most people grew up eating plan steamed veggies. They just need to learn how to make plants the main instead of a side.
I must admit that, it was having a choice of dairy substitutes that helped me to transition from being vegetarian to vegan. I very rarely eat them now but, I can see the argument that this guy is making.
I’ve been a Vegetarian for 40 years. Tofo, Eggs, Cheese, Greek Yogurt, non starchy veg , berries, 1/2 a Granny Smiths apple, & some nuts and seeds are my daily staples, plus a little 100% dark chocolate. I eat 1g protein per pound of less mass, weight train and walk. I’m rocking it at 53. Best to just eat real whole food and steer clear of UPFs. I also don’t eat seed oils. So basically optimal protein and under 100 carbs (often more like 80) per day.
Alas only minority like us. Majority can only transition with meat substitutes. I think lab grown instead of just plant based will be breakthrough needed
Yes, true, but those products are made for those, who can't forget the meat. I am not vegeterian, but I eat meat rarely. I prefer dishes simply made from whole vegetables or legumes over some dishes pretending to be meat, like for example soy pork chops and other such things :). But from the owner of the vegan restaurant which I visit usually a few times a week I know that those dishes which reproduce meat experience are regularly the best sellers.
A few months ago I bought a packet of "vegan frankfurters" without reading the list of ingredients. They were "tasty", that is tasted salty and smoky, but nothing special, and we read the list of ingredients at lunch as we ate them - they were as UPF as it gets. We ate them anyway, but I've taken my magnifying glass every time I've shopped in a store since.
@@angiedavies347 think on how many humans ate and still eat non-food... Yes, many got sick and died, but most that survived will do more to avoid hunger than to be healthy.
I've checked the ingredients of the beyond burger, and they include methyl cellulose and a preservative potassium lactate. I shall leave them on the shelf as I always avoid methyl cellulose and preservatives. They don't contain emulsifiers or artificial colouring or flavouring, so it is true they contain fewer UPF ingredients than some foods. I do use dried soya based TVP as it contains only soya protein. I also use some Squeaky Bean products as they are based on pea protein, but have no other UPF ingredients
I've listened to this in full. Comparison of red meat versus plant based aside. Plant based is so UPF i'm staying well away! I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, but i'm certainly not trying to consume more of this UPF.
UPFs include Doritos, Little Debbie cakes, and WonderBread. Not all of these meat alternatives are anywhere near as processed as those things and are not really UPFs.
As a vegan, I have been concerned about the healthiness of meat substitutes. I can see the argument that he is making because, he's right in that they are aimed at meat eaters though. If 95% of Americans are meat eaters, if they just switched out one meal a week, that would make a positive start towards reducing the amount of water, and land used for meat production. I was pleased to learn that I was getting enough protein with my diet but, what I really would appreciation would be a break down of which essential amino acids are present in different plant sources and how much and how often do we need to eat them. I know that quinoa contains all of the amino acids but I still haven't got around to finding out more about other sources.
Quinoa has a high carb to protein ratio, significantly higher than legumes and pulses, so it's only a good source for those metabolising a lot of carbs doing high level cardio. Still it's a better source than rice so best think of it as a good source of carbs that comes with an added bonus of a bit of complete protein.
With no particular attack meant on this guest over other nutrionists who accept corporate funding, governments really need to be doing better. Without independent, long term studies, it's really difficult to get a good grasp of the actual outcomes. For me personally, I'd rather cut down greatly on all meat, and pay top £s for locally reared meat (in Scotland) products very occasionally. But then, I like beans and non UPF meat alternative products already, so it's easy for me to say. I've yet to come across a convincing lamb alternative also, which will limit growth in some parts of the world I think. Also, I really query the wisdom in using industrial processes which created a lot of our mess to try and get out of it
Grass fed beef / lamb is very healthy. This guy is clearly a vegetarian and against animal products. This video is full of the usual lies and misinformation regurgitated by vegans. He appeared on Netflix films, which we all know are a hoax (funded by the BIG food industry).
@@splashsportsphotosThe overwhelming scientific consensus is the opposite. This has been the case for a long time. The WHO states that red meat (eg meat from mammals) is a Class 2 carcinogen. The WHO would not make this recommendation if it wasn't based on scientific consensus.
Lot of people in the comments did their own research I see. Why would they want to listen to one of the world's leading experts talk about the results of actual research?
Oh jeez, you can listen to someone but that doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. Just because someone does a lot of research on something doesn't mean they're right about everything. And just because someone says something different doesn't mean you have to blindly accept everything they say and disregard any prior knowledge. Appeals to authority are so banal. "Experts" are often biased and need to be called out on it, especially if they are put on an influential platform. Put 5 "'experts" in the same room on nutrition and they will all disagree with each other, and they certainly can't all be right.
Believing in someone because of their status as an expert is the anti-thesis of science. The smartest people in the world who were considered the top experts in their field at some point believed the earth was the center of the universe and the atom was the smallest form of matter.
Many, many experts disagree with this "experts position" including: nutrition experts at the National Library of Medicine, Dr Steven Novella, Professor Timothy Noakes, Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Hallberg, Dr Christopher Palmer, Dr Jeffrey McDaniel, Dr Joe Schwartz, Dr JJ Masani, Dr Mark Hyman, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Bradley Johnston, Dr Eric Westman, Dr Steven Hussey, Dr Gordon Guyatt, Dr Paul Saladino, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Rajsree Nambudripad, Dr Ken Berry, Dr Paul Mason, Dr Thomas Seyfried, Dr Aseem Maholtra, Dr Bret Scher, Dr Susan Wolver, to name a few. But hey if you think eating processed fake meat is the answer then go for it 😂😂😂
@@dudea3378 I agree partially. There thing is a lot of people think they know better than these experts just because what they say is not convenient for them. If you have read some research that contradicts what an expert say, you can be critic. But I bet there are a lot of people that like red meat a lot and say "this thing that red meat is wrong for you is totally wrong. My grandmother lived 120 years eating red meat", and I think those are the ones that the original comment was referring to.
@@dudea3378You're uneducated to the scientific process. Put five experts that you carefully selected to be entertaining and conflicting in the same room and nobody will agree. Pick 100 random nutrition scientists and 97 of them will conclude based on the available data. Some topics are a lot more controversial because they are not settled and there's very limited amounts of data or low quality data. Most commonly discussed nutrition topics are not, they have a pretty clear consensus among the scientific community. I tell you that as a scientist myself. TH-cam scientists (most of them are actually MD not scientists) are a tiny fraction and they are also passively selected by the algorithm to have divisive opinions (because there are niches to be filled, and you can be damn sure there will be the 1 in 100 scientist who will take the opportunity to make money shilling the carnivore diet until there are a few popular carnivore influencers to fill the niche. Having five high profile TH-camrs with a science background shilling carnivore vs about as much or a little more advocating for whole foods plant based does not at all mean that these diets are scientifically comparable and that the scientific community as a whole is highly divided.
Only when it suits them, I’m really disappointed in this video as a fan of their usual content. Ultra processed rubbish packed with refined oils will NEVER compete with whole foods, regardless of plant based vs meat.
Hi Harry. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@IndigoBass Arguably, the red meat is a UPF too. Grown and bred to be as attractive as possible and with a fat percentage optimised to eat more. Thus the comparison is between two UPFs; one raises LDL, the other does not. Also, on the other side plant based meats are not all UPFs. You can easily make your own from whole foods like chickpeas, lentils, beans, and other plants. And in fact, many you can buy at your supermarket are exactly that. It doesn't have to come from foil wrapped packaging. It's very important to take the point that this plant-based meat is compared against RED meat and RED meat ONLY. You can't deduce anything beyond just that. So, fish, chicken, may very well all outperform this plant-based meat.
We need to be concerned for the health of our soils. Ruminants are essential for maintaining the soil. Please, please interview Zoe Harcombe and prove that you are un-biased.
WILD ruminants definitely because they are efficient with resources and leaner or lower in fat unlike domesticated cattle and livestock. Domesticated cattle and livestock have got to go especially since they tend to be too high in fat to be considered healthy or even safe to eat.
NEVER TRUST anyone who is a vegetarian, especially those funded by Beyond Meat. This is 100% rubbish and should not be viewed. It's not just protein we need but essential micro-nutrients such as omega 3 DHA, vitamin B12, heme iron, zinc etc.
Yeah, this channel is not as objective as they’d like to seem. For this, it should be a debate with somebody like Dr. Berry or some other reputed carnivore, ideally a physician who has seen the impact of keto/carnivore and just not somebody who cherry picks studies and weak correlations, etc. the agenda in a lot of veganism isn’t about human health but having a squeamishness about eating food with faces.
@@RC-qf3mp You are 100% correct. Cherry picking studies and weak correlations etc. Veganism driven by highly emotional people squeamish about eating 'animals with a face'. Not about diet at all, more like animal rights.
Wannna eat more beans? Find an Italian who can cook! My Italian friend can take dried beans and make them into a gourmet dish. I don't know how, but he does, and with inexpensive, simple, ingredients.
Spaniards don't fall behind! 😂 Jokes apart, we cook all sorts of dishes with pulses, from stews (with or without meat) to salads. Two of my favourites are lentils and chickpeas salads, especially in summer!
@@StayCoolKeto Why is that? Which amino acids, minerals or vitamins does meat have that you can't get from somewhere else? I know B12 is difficult to get from plants, but you can eat eggs, dairy or supplements for that.
@@javiTests well you won't be eating that if you are a vegan. Vegetarian aren't quite as bad cos of that. From animal proteins you will be getting better amino acid profile,healthy fats, vit D3, B12 like you said, you'll get creatine, carnosine, taurine, DHA, heme iron as well
@@StayCoolKeto I don't think you get better fats from animal protein, actually I think it's the other way around. With animal foods you get more saturated fats (unhealthy) but with plant based foods you get more mono-saturated or unsaturated fats (avocados, nuts, oils, etc.) that are healthier. And the amino acid profile depends on what you eat, but you can get everything you need form plants, although maybe you need a bit more, but since the calories on plants are quite low, you should be fine. Iron you can get it from plants, creatine is not needed and it can be created it by the liver (although it's true that vegans have lower levels if they don't take supplements)... I eat meat, but I know a diet that goes towards more plants is better, in terms of health and it's more efficient resource-wise, so we pollute less.
Who eats red meat three times a day?! Even as a child in the 50s and 60s we only had meat once a day. These days I eat meat once or twice a week on average. I'm happy with that and have no intention of ever eating this fake meat UP products. I can't see that giving people something that tastes and looks exactly like meat can be a 'gateway' to eating pulses. People in the trial were only given the 'meat' part of their diet. There's no way they can be sure that everything ele remained the same on each side of the trial. This episode is a real low for ZOE, pushing a UP product just beacause it's allegedly better for you than meat. I'm fine with the message that people should be eating less meat, but can't see that replacing it with an exact mimic will bring about any real change.
So many people do. They have a turkey sandwich for breakfast and meat for lunch and dinner. Sometimes even a quick snack sandwich with bacon or ham on.
There are people who eat junky meat three times a day, with side-orders of junky carbs. And there are people who eat high quality beef, fish, dairy, etc., and very low carb, as part of a nutritional ketogenic diet, such as an anti-inflammatory diet, that relieves chronic inflammation from a variety of causes and replaces a variety of medications and their harmful side effects. Eating salmon and eggs for breakfast, a burger bowl (no bread) for lunch and bone broth for dinner works for many people as a typical day’s food.
@@angiedavies347no, just this study, as clearly stated in the video. If you think that means that the results were fudged, then that's your perogative. If you really believe that a professor of medicine at stanford would risk his career and credibility just for a few dollars, that's your loss.
@@ricado372 He was funded by the BIG food industry (Beyond Meat) and he cherry picks out of date science to suit this vegetarian beliefs. He even admits to gaining funds from Beyond Meat.
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast. It's a really interesting episode on a highly debated topic, we hope you'll give it a listen.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
@@Caladcholg No, just that Beyond Meat products are healthier or at least safer than natural red meat in the sense that people are less likely to get cardiovascular disease or feed certain cancers. You may want to analyze what's in 'natural red meat' and see for yourself what exactly is contained in it concerning not only nutrients but pollutants as well.
@chiyerano @chiyerano oh, I have 'analyzed what's in' red meat. For years. See: my comment on this video (and the rest in which Christoper Gardener makes an appearance, if you're so inclined) Also, I am intimately familiar with the 2015 event that led the World Health Organization to classify red and processed meats as 'likely carcinogens' and 'group 1 carcinogens', respectively. Look up Dr. Klurfeld for a more in-depth explanation. While on the subject of cancer, might I suggest reading the works of Dr. Thomas Seyfried regarding the metabolic is metabolic origins?
It’s junk. The real question is why we evolved to love eating meat, esp fatty meat, like bacon and braised short rib or smoked brisket. And we evolved to like it b/c it’s good for us.
You missed the entire point. Everyone acknowledged that whole plant foods are better than these 'vegan burgers'. The entire point is to eat this instead of the meat burger, and that includes the "have fewer of them, still have some". If you like burgers, the point of these alternatives is that instead of going from 1 meat burger a day to 2 meat burgers a week (which would already be a good thing), you'd go from 1 meat burger a day to 2 vegan burgers a week. The less burgers and steaks you eat, the better, no matter what the burgers and steaks are made of. Whatever amount of burger and steaks you do end up eating, it's always going to be better if those are the plant based alternative over meat.
The title refers to "plant based meats" but the research refers to beyond meat (which is addressed in the youtube). So the research is very misleading for me which is not the norm for ZOE broadcasts. There are many very diverse types of meat alternatiives. Looking at the ingredients for this specific product for me it comes under UPF. Even considering the short clinical trial run by the Dr that was positive. Not something I would currently buy and this hasnt changed my view. Generally quite dissapointed by this particular interview.
Hi Chris. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
@Caladcholg Again, science doesn't care about the "stance " of zoe. The results are what's important here. What is it your feelings don't like about the results?
I may have missed this detail, but was the study isocaloric, or was it just replacing a 150g burger patty with a 150g beyond meat patty? Id like to see both designs, out of curiosity. In a real world setting, someone will swap a sausage for a sausage, calories be damned, but then that introduces the variable of total calories. Also, as someone who eats closer to 60% of my calories from meat and eggs, i would be very much interested in what a swap at a higher calorie level would be like. Or, if i went down to 30% meat and 30% beyond meat. I think the most important thing is to get 5-10 portions of fruit and veg. The modern diet is mainly beige carbs and UPF. swap those for fruit and veg and retain the meat and id be surprised if the results werent more favourable than the meat for veg swap in this study.
This makes no sense…just have a red meat from grass fed cattle once a week…is fine..we have heard this over and over and meals made with beans and legumes the rest of the week. Plus didn’t Dr Sarah advocate fish ? Oily fish. So this is just marketing for beyond burgers….do us Brits eat lots do burgers? Then he says don’t buy products with ingredients which aren’t in your kitchen. Sorry Zoe…it’s a NO from me…
The healthiest meat and truly grass fed meat is WILD GAME meat. Any other grass fed meat is a marketing ploy may be still too high in fat to be considered healthy or even safe to eat.
Yup. And hard to take seriously this paid shill from Stanford - a university whose law school DEI is so bad, they shut down a visiting Judge, lost credibility and had to put the DEI woke police ‘on leave’. A university where they have a biologist who doesn’t know the difference between males and females and think it’s all in your head. Uh huh. And this where we are supposed to get unbiased, objective science on nutrition? no thanks. Heading out to the farmer’s market now to get some short ribs.
@@chiyerano Gardner is a shill for the fake-meat industry, which paid for the study, so people could talk about it, and provide advertising for the fake-meat. Yes, it is literary an advertisement. Why do you think corporations pay for stuff like this? How naive. Maybe eat some real meat so that the myelin in your brain can grow back - a big problem for vegans.
I’m frankly surprised at Zoe in promoting this way of eating. Not only is Prof Gardner a vegan stalwart of 40 years or so, and therefore significantly biased, but his involvement with the American Heart Association has been much criticised over the years. The “diet” promoted by the AHA and Prof Gardner does not promote good eating practice, especially for those with diabetes and/or cardiac issues. Whereas, I am not wholly against eating plant based foods, indeed I love a good bean “salad”, it must be in the context of the whole spectrum of nutritious foods. In order to redress the balance Zoe should, IMHO, be prepared to talk with others who are fully conversant with current whole science food research and who may have a different approach than going down the vegan UPF route.
I wanna try some other plant foods eventually but as whole food-plant based I'll very likely have to make my own hummus, which is no problem. That is one example. Check out the ingredients of hummus as the store. They are ultra-processed. I have no problem with foods of different cultures but if the stores and restaurants have nothing but ultra-processed super rich with salt, oil and sugar, then I'll never eat it. 7 years going now, strict whole food-plant based.
I think Quorn isn't too bad if you get just the pure product without any added breadings, Etc. There aren't any seed oils or emulsifiers in it. But how in the hell could an engineered,highly processed fake meat product ever be as healthy as good pasture-raised and or grass-fed meat? We need a human randomized control trial 1-2 years long, one where they aren't playing any BS games with rigging the results to come in a certain way.
"But how in the hell could an engineered,highly processed fake meat product ever be as healthy as good pasture-raised and or grass-fed meat.", because it is, doesn't matter what the animals fed it'll raise cholesterol, it contains saturated fat, it contains carcinogens, etc. etc. in the past this wasn't a factor we just needed to live long enough to reproduce but now we're looking to optimise health and it's something to think about
These ARE made for people like me, a non-vegetarian. I love a very good veggie burger every once in a while and will choose it over meat. I was a vegetarian in my youth, though I was raised eating meat. I didn’t particularly miss it until after about 10 years I started craving it. Maybe I was missing trace elements. I still eat meat but eat many vegetarian meals by choice. I’m glad these products are available for occasional meals.
Transitional meats for newbies should probably be overcome in time. I enjoy semi processed or fresh unprocessed foods mostly. It's just so much better for you.
I have now lost 100% confidence in Zoe for allowing this hoax film to be shown. Sad. No doubt others will loose faith in Zoe too (I've read some of the comments too). Very sad.
Hello. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't supporting ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast. We hope this helps clarify.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
I do find these podcasts. really very interesting and challenging, however, I do wish the contents could be shrunk to 15 to 20 (at the most) minutes. My life is so full, that I really do not have sufficient time to watch through for an hour.
Gardner also states lies about antibiotics in meat - it is illegal to cull cattle in the UK that have been treated with drugs. Each cow is ear tagged and any medication is recorded.
I rest my case Water, Pea Protein*, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Rice Protein, Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet).
Study funded by Beyond Meat. Need I say more? Most people do not eat 2 servings of meat a day with no vegetables. Not al red meat is sausages. A steak is a natural product and eaten with vegetables, would not be unhealthy and better than any processed food.
Steak is unhealthy especially if it is marbled or high in fat and grilled. The meat that is healthiest to eat is LEAN meat and such meat is mainly found in WILD game meat. Fatty meat is so dangerous to eat that it even makes the very carnivorous animals we feed it to sick and is a major reason why domesticated cattle and livestock are so dangerous. Look up diabetic cats for examples of what I am talking about. Saturated fat is best obtained from whole plants, even fatty plants like coconut and avocados because plant fats are easier for the body to control and burn off.
Also concerning funded studies, I just hope you apply the same line of reasoning to egg, meat, and dairy studies that have been funded by the egg, meat, and dairy industries or businesses as well.
@chiyerano of course I do. That's why I believe in a balanced diet with a lot of veg, fruit and pulses, but also some meat (mainly white but also some red), eggs and fish. What is to avoid is processed meat and UPFs of any type.
@@miriaisola34 No, not all cats, some cats were fed nothing but fatty meat and they still got diabetes. Concerning human examples, you can also look up Drew Harrisberg and Cyrus Khambatta who are both diabetics who successfully managed if not treated their diabetes with a whole food plant based diet without any animal products.
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
I understood this podcast to mean that Beyond Meat is healthier than your typical red meat burger. Since many people, at least in the U.S., are less likely to eat things like beans and more likely to eat things like beef burgers, it would be easier to get people to eat Beyond Meat products than it would be to get people to eat beans in the U.S..
You talk specifically about hydrogenated oils. These types of oils are banned, so you're not going to find them processed foods. You will find them naturally in meat, though. Saturated fat, hydrogenated fats, and cholesterol occur naturally in meat. The synonym is "trans fats". Google that and you will find it is in animal products. But it's banned as a distinctive food product like hydrogenated oils.
51:50 he doesn't say they are healthy, they just appear to be healthier than red meat based in a study he did where people on average lost 2 pounds of weight, got their LDL colesterol 10 points lower and a marker of CVD was lower. The real healthy food is legumes.
Minor nitpick, but only because I'm a personal trainer and this is something that way too many people say incorrectly. Lat pulldown does not mean a lateral pulldown. It's a latissumus dorsi pulldown, because those are the main muscles worked
After watching this together with The Game Changers, I’m willing to take the plunge into plant based meat alternatives, however, I’m finding most of these products seem to be ready processed (chicken kiev, ready made curry etc) I don’t enjoy this type of food. Where can I find plain and simple meat alternatives to cook with? I don’t want “take away ready meals” I need to incorporate these products into what I already like to cook and eat. Any help on where to source would be much appreciated.
Tofu varies in texture, depending on its water content. Tofu that is firmer has had more water removed during pressing. I've seen a youtuber recommending freezing tofu as this draws out more water and creates a texture thatbsoaks up marinades better but, I haven't tried this yet! 😋
Thanks, for this, I buy cheap watery Tofu, so I'll try it. I wonder if you remove the water, the cheap watery Tofu is approx the same price is the more expensive less watery Tofu 🤔
Freezing it also makes it easier to get crispy Tofu if you want to have it as part of a stir fry. Defrost, press, cut into small cubes and coat with corn starch then fry in olive oil until light brown crispy niceness. Set aside and then do the rest of the stir fry (veggies, noodles or rice) and add Tofu back in.
Excellent interview w/ lots of great info. I love the concept of meat alternatives as a gateway drug for meat eaters toward a more vegetarian life, and I truly appreciate the tie-ins of meat production to climate change. Thanks.
Can we not just admit that, while avoiding ultra-processed foods is usually a good guideline because *most* of them aren't healthy, it's not impossible for a food to be ultra-processed and still good for you? Rather than trying to claim that meat alternatives that are clearly ultra-processed somehow aren't because of some new criteria you've just invented, such as their ingredients all being found in a supermarket? Btw Beyond Meat still wouldn't meet that criteria, since it contains Methylcellulose and Sunflower Lecithin, neither of which I've seen on a supermarket shelf before... (even though they're not hard to buy online)
I have been a vegetarian for 30 years and really enjoy tempeh and tofu both of which can be cooked in a variety of ways with a range of flavours. I have also tried a selection of meat substitues and some of them are tasty but I have never made them part of a regular menu item. I use them when I have meat eaters over for a meal. It's like a lot of things, you know something is not the most healthy choice, like crisps, biscuits and cake but you choose to eat them on occassion. As long as it is not a regular habit, don't sweat it. However, if these meat substitues help meat eaters eat less meat then go ahead, include them in your weekly shop as long as you check the ingredients for any real nasties.
I cannot see how only 2 weeks can be seen as a nutritional study.. And how can weight loss over this period be seen as a good sign? Pretty much all dietary changes show this for the first 2 weeks. Some of it might just be lower levels of absorption or appetite until the body adapts. Also, for a Dr to call LDL "bad cholesterol " is disappointing. People must know by now that there is no bad or good cholesterol and the LDL talks about the lipoprotein (essential) which just carries cholesterol (essential) through the body. Also to talk about 2 pro-infammatory molecules associated with meat is silly. There are important pro and anti inflammatory processes all the time. Plus in some areas growing meat is much better for the environment than monocultute...
We have recently introduced meat again into our diet. We ate only home prepared food with fresh veg, lentils, beans and chickpeas. Sadly, we could not control my husbands blood sugar levels and are trying chicken and veg instead. Not sure what else to do really. We've tried so many different things, the balance is difficult to find.
please consider including oily fish twice a week as well, your brain really needs plenty of those omega3 fatty acids, too hard to get ENOUGH from plants. tinned sardines/mackerel/salmon are so easy to use and go well with mustard or spicy tomato if you want to change the flavour. see the work of Dr Georgia Ede or Dr Patrick Holford, for brain health
Always great to see / hear Chris Gardner and another gold standard study. Don't also forget about the cancer risk from meats. all the things I've seen say that the tri Methyl amine (TMA) is produced in the gut from Choline and Carnitine and the TMA is then converted in the liver to TMA oxide. It enables cholesterol and saturated fat to get through the endothelium lining of the arteries and blood vessels leading to Plaque formation and its effect in reducing Nitrous Oxide formation - which is the most powerful blood vessel dilation agent in the body
I think you’ll find the jury is still very definitely “out” regarding unprocessed meats and their (supposed) cancer / CVD-causing properties (as eagerly pronounced by pro-plant scientist-lobbyists like Professors Gardner and Spector). Many mainstream specialists are now turning their attention towards excessive carbohydrates and starches as the (highly likely) number-one culprits. Not unprocessed meats like Lamb and Beef and their associated fats
Red meat and dairy protect against cancer Here are four recent studies on the effects of trans-vaccenic acid (TVA) on cancer in humans: 1. **"Trans-vaccenic acid reprograms CD8+ T cells and anti-tumor immunity"** - **Publication**: Nature - **Year**: 2023 - **Summary**: Researchers at the University of Chicago found that higher levels of TVA in the blood improved the response to CAR-T cell immunotherapy in patients with lymphoma, enhancing the ability of CD8+ T cells to target and kill cancer cells. The study suggests TVA could be a dietary supplement to support T cell-based cancer treatments. - **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep. 2. **"Trans-vaccenic acid inhibits proliferation and induces apoptosis of human nasopharyngeal carcinoma cells via a mitochondrial-mediated apoptosis pathway"** - **Publication**: Lipids in Health and Disease - **Year**: 2023 - **Summary**: This study demonstrated that TVA inhibits the viability of nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) cells and induces apoptosis through a mitochondrial-mediated pathway. Higher doses of TVA significantly increased apoptotic markers such as cleaved PARP and caspase-3 in NPC cells, indicating its potential as a therapeutic agent for treating nasopharyngeal carcinoma. - **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep. 3. **"Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer"** - **Publication**: Biological Sciences Division, University of Chicago - **Year**: 2023 - **Summary**: This study demonstrated that higher levels of TVA in blood improved the effectiveness of CD8+ T cells in targeting and killing cancer cells, particularly in patients undergoing CAR-T cell immunotherapy for lymphoma. The findings suggest TVA could support T cell-based cancer treatments. - **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep. 4. **"Beef and dairy nutrient boosts immune response to cancer"** - **Publication**: Nature - **Year**: 2023 - **Summary**: The study highlighted that higher levels of TVA in blood improved the effectiveness of CD8+ T cells in targeting and killing cancer cells. The research suggests that TVA could be used as a dietary supplement to support various cancer treatments by enhancing immune response. - **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep. These studies collectively highlight the potential of TVA in enhancing immune responses and inducing cancer cell apoptosis, suggesting its possible application in cancer therapy. Further research is needed to optimize its use and dosage in clinical settings.
There are so many really stupid comments on here! This is purely about trying to get people who love their meat being able to find a satisfactory alternative in order to reduce meat-eating overall. If you already eat home-cooked vegan or vegetarian meals , this isn’t aimed at you.
I’m not vegan, or carnivore - I don’t have skin in this game when it comes to faux meat vs. red meat. But common sense tells me that I should go with the real thing, instead of the highly processed, man made product that is supposed to be “better for heath.” I know this is unpopular opinion on this channel, but meat is an ancestral food and played a huge part in human evolution. Unprocessed red meat does have nutrients and can be a part of a healthy lifestyle. This whole UPF narrative/man-made alternative talk reminds me a lot of the push for margarine vs. butter back in the 80’s and 90’s. We know where that got us! 🤡
Our ancestors meat wasn't pumped with growth Hormones, antibiotics and other crap....and they weren't factory farmed. The meat our ancestors ate were free roaming and untouched by the industrial farming industry.
I agree. Factory farmed meat is terrible for the planet and for health. However, I eat meat from my local farmers market. It is grass fed and grass finished. I’ve seen where the animals live, what they are fed. I am a huge fan of regenerative farming and I support it.
You can actually buy powdered pea isolate, maybe not in a chain grocery store. Tempe comes in lots of seasoned versions. And to get away from the environmental effects of cattle by avoiding cow dairy, you can eat chevre, a goat or sheep cottage cheese that's mild.
I totally agree that we need to move away from meat eating, particularly the appealing way its produced in the US but I fear that the vegan meat alternatives are ultra processed. There are some alternatives that arnt so much processed. Why do we need an ultra proccesed food to lead to more eating of the real alternative beans and paulses. But if as he argued, plant based alternatives are a step in the right direction Ill go with his research.
I usually love Zoe but this is complete nonsense! Ultra processed food packed with refined oils will never be healthy. All the benefits from a high fibre whole foods plant based diet are lost with ‘food’ like meat replacement burgers, this is really disappointing from you guys.
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
The more I look into this the more I don’t know what we should eat anymore. One says don’t eat meat, other says don’t eat plants, third says don’t eat high oxalate, and more differing views on this and that. I think I will just eat what I like within a reason. Definitely not ultra processed, genetically modified and make sure I don’t have too much carbohydrates. I like meat, equally I like tofu and tempeh.
I agree with you. I really hate extremes when it comes to diet. It doesn’t have to be one or the other (meat OR plants). You can eat both, and be very healthy. The common denominator between all of the diets that people argue about (vegan, carnivore, keto, etc.) is that they are centered around Whole Foods. What you decide to eat, or not eat, after that should be based on individual food sensitivities and preferences. I don’t think animal products are necessarily unhealthy - and neither are plants. But for someone like me with intolerances to beans, legumes, and most grains/gluten - being vegan does not work for me. I don’t like it when experts/scientists vilify specific foods or macronutrients - and recommend one dietary pattern for an entire population. Many experts, scientists, and (sadly) doctors receive funding from big pharma, agriculture, and corporations that produce UPF’s. Personal bias, pride, money, and greed have ruined the healthcare system and destroyed the credibility of most experts/professionals in the nutrition space. Eat Whole Foods, limit processed foods, avoid added sugar and alcohol and you’ll see huge gains in health. It’s that simple.
I love the taste of Beyond Burgers, and I typically fry them up with a bit of Montreal Steak spice on them and eat them without any buns. Given the choice, I take them over meat burgers. However, for whatever reason, I find them much less satiating than other options with comparable calories. My suspicion is that it's the high fat content when compared to most of the other plant based foods that I'd eat, with fat being of very low satiety for me. As to why they'd be less satiating for me than comparable meat products, I have no idea! So, I have Beyond Burgers two or three times a month, and most days I have protein isolate, which I find pretty satiating.
NO NO NO NO Thank you!!! The ingredient list is horrific... Is their ultimate goal to limit the population. one cancer diagnosis at a time.... NO NO NO thank you....
Compared to what? Are you comparing it to meat or to unprocessed plant protein sources? You are giving off serious 'meat industry bot' vibes with your scary spamming.
@@Spangletiger Are you an investor? You can buy into their fake food, I for one am smarter than that! You are easily fooled...if you think fake food is good for you eat up... NO F'ing thank you!!! NO FAKE FOOD!
its not created to limit the population. plant based meat will be used more and more in the future as our consciousness continues to increase and will it be further improved. raising cows is a huge cause of greenhouse gas.
its not created to limit the population. plant based meat will be used more and more in the future as our consciousness continues to increase and will it be further improved. raising cows is a huge cause of greenhouse gas.
@@sburton84 Heme iron is a polyhedral compound made up of iron ions surrounded by porphyrin rings. It's found in animal proteins, such as meat, poultry, seafood, and fish, and is a key component of hemoglobin and myoglobin. While heme iron is more readily absorbed by the body, it is harder for the body to control and regulate than non-heme iron and could lead to excess and an excess of iron in the body leads to toxicity especially since the iron begins to act as an oxidant in the body leading to not only undesirably but harmful affects in the body. Non-heme iron from plants is much easier for the body to control and regulate and is safer for the body to consume for the same reason it is safer to fat soluble vitamins in their precursor forms from plants e.g. beta carotene for vitamin A and tocopherols for vitamin E since they tend to be stored by the body and lead to excess if care is not taken. Whole plant based foods are the safest ways for the body to access these nutrients.
Very interesting. I’d be interested into what the gut biome impact was in a similar study for high quality meat vs meat alternatives. Looked at beyond and they contain emulsifiers, and chemicals. Would be cool to see what’s healthier here.
What an embarrassingly biased interview. I struggled on to the end but really Zoe, chatting with a plant based advocate from the vegan school of Walter Willett funded by the very company he did the study for! 😂 Sugar is good for us, said a study funded by the sugar marketing board, tobacco is safe, from a study by the tobacco companies…. Laughable. I hope he knows that fish has more TMAO than meat or that LDLc is a poor marker of metabolic health. How about triglyceride to HDLc ratio and Lp(a), HbA1c? Ultra processed fake meat is just that, nothing else… but, as Zoe is now a plant based channel I shouldn’t be at all surprised. How disappointing not to have a balanced view 😩
@karenphipps902 yeah, I agree; I'm thoroughly disappointed with ZOE at this point, and I hope the whole enterprise isn't just some 'eat less meat' Trojan horse of sorts, although Tim Spector appearing along side Gardner in that recent 'vegan twins' Netflix documentary isn't exactly assuaging my fears.
@karenphipps902 Yes, that appears to be the case, which is why I appreciate people like you posting comments with actual, mechanistic explanations for why this information is so bad. It's heartening that people are becoming aware that planetary and genomic 'health' and 'plant based' aren't exactly synonymous.
To make textured vegetable protein, soybeans are first dried/dehydrated. Then they are ground in flour and made into crumbles of different sizes. TVP can be considered somewhat highly processed because it must be extruded, which causes a change in the structure of the soy protein. Many TVP producers also use solvents, such as hexane, to separate soy fat from soy protein. There’s always the possibility that tiny amounts of the solvent linger in the TVP. Overall, TVP is a processed product and not the same thing as eating actual soybeans. While soybeans are found in nature, textured vegetable protein is definitely not.
I used to be such a fan of Zoe at the beginning. I’m so disappointed how your podcast has turned out. Jonathan praising Ozempic as a miracle drug. And Christopher Gardner preaching his misinformation on red meat, LDL etc. Just because the mainstream thinks along those lines, doesn’t make it true. I would have thought Zoe would have investigated more.
I am 68 years in age and find the word “elderly” insulting. I am an older adult. Please consider changing your description of those of us that are older.
Im sorry, I have to correct both of you. Vegetables and legumes are sprayed with pesticides are not healthy. The USA actually uses sprays banned in other countries. I have suffered not from the veg that has been sprayed. In fact it has made me intolerant to some veg and some garlics etc. So dont say Vegetables are obviously healthy. I am starting my own hydroponic growing of vegetables. Meat is as good as what it is fed and generally what animals eat is sprayed with pesticides etc. Farming in the older days wasnt like this and people did not suffer from eating meat. In general, if you had more than 4 oz of meat per day that would be the norm. Carbohydrates and grains again sprayed are far worse than meat. Moreover, it is difficult to buy any quality food that is fed with good natural food and vegetables and grains not sprayed. Hence I am growing my own and rearing my own in the more traditional way.😊😊. Zoe please emphasise this not just make an automatic assumptions.
Vegetables are obviously healthy. Spraying any food with poison is obviously unhealthy. They may be less accessible where you live but it's likely not impossible, just prohibitively expensive for some people.
@@Dehibernation Vegetables are not always obviously healthy…even when they are grown organically, in great soil, free of herbicides, pesticides and artificial fertilisers. It also depends on the individual and their genetics etc.
Guys, be careful. The cheap alternatives contain seeds oils, emulsifiers etc. In the end, there are more worse plant-based alternatives than those good ones. Just read the sticker for more info.
We did not come down out of the trees to eat legumes and mushrooms. Eating red meat does raise your LDL... and guess what? people who live to 100 have high LDL. It's triglicerides that are the issue, and that has to do with sugar and processed foods like fake meat, not saturated fat. A meta study in 2022 found low fat dietary advice of the past 50 years has done nothing to help our hearts. It's the processed foods and sugar/carb load!
@@jamesjones7138 This video isn't about veganism and no one is trying to convert you to anything. They are just trying to share information based on study findings to respond to questions others have had on these matters.
is he not polarized himself for favourings about plant based? If you listen to a carnivore doctor they are just as sure and proving their side. He is right and all others are wrong, that is the true definition of polarized. Dr Sarah Hallberg says quite the opposite
Carnivore doctors do not base their information on the scientific consensus. They often misinterpret results and misconstrue results. The powerful animal agriculture industries also put information out there to cast doubt. And it works, as can be witnessed in some comments here. All they have to do is introduce doubt- oh, that study is rubbish. Also, they conduct industry funded studies that are designed to show their products in a good light.
My gran mother lived to 94 and ate meat and vegetables and was obese and smoked for 40yrs and had a drink every other day. Genetics must play a huge role here.
I wonder what her consumption of UPF foods was. I’ve relatives who also lived to 90s and even 100s but they ate simple food albeit as you described for your Grandmother with “less healthy” lifestyle things. My grandfather did not eat crisps, preprepared meals etc until much later in life. He was 98 when he passed.
Yes, but your grand mother probably ate meat and food in general fairly sparingly or in small amounts especially if she lived in the U.S. and was affected by the Great Depression. Plus much food nowadays has been greatly diluted in nutritional value. The apples we have today may not be like your grandmother's apples nutritionally speaking.
What does processed and salt has to do with red meat? Honestly, the people working in nutrition science is every day more resembling cult preachers. Impossible to know what to eat and who to trust. Help!
Alarm bells should go off when any scientist says “we already know…” and then goes on to make a truth claim about food. I would respect them more if they said “I believe…” or “the studies I place credence in suggest…”. It also made me laugh when Jonathan told the guest that people always love to hear what he has to say. Looking back at the comments on previous videos where he appears suggest that this is being very partial with the truth.
Boo on this story. There is lots of research to debunk his claims. I'll stick with my home grown healthy red meat. I love Zoe but this is the first story I can't stomach.
They’re not ‘plant based meat,’ plant based meat is a contradiction in terms. It is a crime against the English language. And if people want to go vegan eat vegetables that aren’t pretending to be meat.
I love the Better than Beef... I think that's what they are called. I would actually eat them before I would eat an actual meat burger. They taste better.
I love the fact that the fake meats measures up as far as nutrition go; However, I would rather eat the beans without being processed. Whole food is always best!!
@@difrancophile that is like saying a coca cola study saying coca cola is healthy is trustworthy. You have no idea what they are doing to make their "stufies" work. The conflict of interest is just too great to have any merit. They can mess with so many variables and retry studies multiple times to get the desired results. Then they don't present the ones with bad results
Please just don't eat processed meat, go to the shop and get just lamb shoulder and slow cook it in the oven or get fresh mince and make tasty Italian meat balls with a Greek salad....😊 People just get too lazy buying premade foods and don't know how to cook fresh food themselves...😂 Once in a week make tasty chicken soup! And please don't put your kids on this crazy premade crap... Make a lamb stew for them! Did you know that Aboriginal people are meat eaters, including a kangaroo meat! Guess what, before Britishers came and brought sugar and alcohol to them. They did not know what is diabetes and cancer! By the way aboriginal people had the best healthiest teeth, believe or not!
The World Health Organisation states that red meat (eg. meat from cows, pigs, lamb, etc...) is a Class 2 carcinogen. This is based on the overwhelming scientific evidence.
@@Fishwiz114 The World Health Organisation would not publish information like this if it weren't based on solid science. Just do the research yourself.
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Just want to let Prof. Christopher Gardner know that his effort did make an impact, at least on me. After listening to his previous interview, I start eating some legumes everyday, which replace my consumption of red meat. I feel full for longer, and have a more stable blood sugar (measured by continuous glucose monitor). I still eat meat so I am not a vegetarian, but I think this is better for me and the planet/animals.
his propaganda worked
how on earth could a high-sugar food (beans are mostly carbohydrates. This is an inarguable fact) measure a more stable blood sugar than a no-sugar food? That's literally impossible barring a malfunctioning device or dishonest statement, and since its the internet, my guess is the latter.
I just gave birth to a Tyrannosaur. See, I can make stuff up, too.
I wish it were impossible to comment on a TH-cam video unless you’ve first watched the whole video. The internet would be a better place.
Agreed.
Excellent! The process in meat alternatives is not the most dangerous thing. It is the type of processed additives that are dangerous. This podcast once again has taught me one of many very important lessons: Don’t be lazy and take responsibility of knowing the ingredients in your foods- no matter how tedious it may seem. Our food industry is corrupt and filling the pockets of media & politicians
A Belgian study just showed that supermarket waffles and pancakes contain 30 000x the allowable amount of a certain toxin. You'd never know this, because the ingredients used don't contain this toxin, it is all a product of the processing.
Fake meat is a huge NO NO for me. It smells funky, it's hyper processed, it simply shouldn't exist.
This comment section is already absolutely wild and the episode was published just 4 hours ago. Seems some people did not listen to the podcast (yes it is UP, but the result is that eating this is still healthier than eating daily red meat), some people are just stuck in their world, and some people are actually lost in conspiracy theories (I'm sorry). Thanks for the episode, I enjoyed it!
He’s a paid shill for fake meat corporations. And no way this is better than high quality pasture raised beef. It’s a lousy study with loaded dice. Real problem is how junk science like this tries to get omnivores to become vegetarian, and then vegan and then develop health problems and maybe an eating disorder. Sick.
I would rather just become a vegetarian or a vegan than eat these fake meat over processed stuff. I'm over the over processed food. There are so many delicious plant foods that we just don't need this. They are still trying to sell a product that they spent so much time and money on that so few people want. If we want to get people eating less meat, we need to teach people how to cook tasty plants. Not making substitutes for animal products. Most people grew up eating plan steamed veggies. They just need to learn how to make plants the main instead of a side.
I must admit that, it was having a choice of dairy substitutes that helped me to transition from being vegetarian to vegan. I very rarely eat them now but, I can see the argument that this guy is making.
If it were that easy, there would be a lot more vegans
I’ve been a Vegetarian for 40 years. Tofo, Eggs, Cheese, Greek Yogurt, non starchy veg , berries, 1/2 a Granny Smiths apple, & some nuts and seeds are my daily staples, plus a little 100% dark chocolate. I eat 1g protein per pound of less mass, weight train and walk. I’m rocking it at 53. Best to just eat real whole food and steer clear of UPFs. I also don’t eat seed oils. So basically optimal protein and under 100 carbs (often more like 80) per day.
Alas only minority like us. Majority can only transition with meat substitutes. I think lab grown instead of just plant based will be breakthrough needed
Yes, true, but those products are made for those, who can't forget the meat. I am not vegeterian, but I eat meat rarely. I prefer dishes simply made from whole vegetables or legumes over some dishes pretending to be meat, like for example soy pork chops and other such things :). But from the owner of the vegan restaurant which I visit usually a few times a week I know that those dishes which reproduce meat experience are regularly the best sellers.
A few months ago I bought a packet of "vegan frankfurters" without reading the list of ingredients. They were "tasty", that is tasted salty and smoky, but nothing special, and we read the list of ingredients at lunch as we ate them - they were as UPF as it gets. We ate them anyway, but I've taken my magnifying glass every time I've shopped in a store since.
I made the carrot hotdogs and chili sauce with pecans. They tasted really good!
a lot of vegan junk food out there
It is NOT food and should not be consumed.
@@angiedavies347 think on how many humans ate and still eat non-food... Yes, many got sick and died, but most that survived will do more to avoid hunger than to be healthy.
I've checked the ingredients of the beyond burger, and they include methyl cellulose and a preservative potassium lactate. I shall leave them on the shelf as I always avoid methyl cellulose and preservatives. They don't contain emulsifiers or artificial colouring or flavouring, so it is true they contain fewer UPF ingredients than some foods. I do use dried soya based TVP as it contains only soya protein. I also use some Squeaky Bean products as they are based on pea protein, but have no other UPF ingredients
Potassium Lactate is what you get when give Potassium hormones and then milk it.
I've listened to this in full. Comparison of red meat versus plant based aside. Plant based is so UPF i'm staying well away! I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, but i'm certainly not trying to consume more of this UPF.
UPFs include Doritos, Little Debbie cakes, and WonderBread. Not all of these meat alternatives are anywhere near as processed as those things and are not really UPFs.
@@hollikendall739 i can't say i've eaten Doritos, wonderbread, and whats debbie cakes?
As a vegan, I have been concerned about the healthiness of meat substitutes. I can see the argument that he is making because, he's right in that they are aimed at meat eaters though. If 95% of Americans are meat eaters, if they just switched out one meal a week, that would make a positive start towards reducing the amount of water, and land used for meat production.
I was pleased to learn that I was getting enough protein with my diet but, what I really would appreciation would be a break down of which essential amino acids are present in different plant sources and how much and how often do we need to eat them. I know that quinoa contains all of the amino acids but I still haven't got around to finding out more about other sources.
Beans, lentils, etc, all légumes
All plants contain all essential amino acids, just in different proportions.
Quinoa has a high carb to protein ratio, significantly higher than legumes and pulses, so it's only a good source for those metabolising a lot of carbs doing high level cardio. Still it's a better source than rice so best think of it as a good source of carbs that comes with an added bonus of a bit of complete protein.
@@helencooney1363 Nothing wrong with complex carbs, it's the simple, refined carbs that you should avoid - i.e refined white flour.
Reread my point. It's a mathematical truth. Quinoa is not a good source of protein.
With no particular attack meant on this guest over other nutrionists who accept corporate funding, governments really need to be doing better. Without independent, long term studies, it's really difficult to get a good grasp of the actual outcomes.
For me personally, I'd rather cut down greatly on all meat, and pay top £s for locally reared meat (in Scotland) products very occasionally. But then, I like beans and non UPF meat alternative products already, so it's easy for me to say.
I've yet to come across a convincing lamb alternative also, which will limit growth in some parts of the world I think.
Also, I really query the wisdom in using industrial processes which created a lot of our mess to try and get out of it
Great points.
Grass fed beef / lamb is very healthy. This guy is clearly a vegetarian and against animal products. This video is full of the usual lies and misinformation regurgitated by vegans. He appeared on Netflix films, which we all know are a hoax (funded by the BIG food industry).
There is NO reason to cut down on red meat, recent studies have shown amazing health benefits of grass fed meat.
@@splashsportsphotosThe overwhelming scientific consensus is the opposite. This has been the case for a long time. The WHO states that red meat (eg meat from mammals) is a Class 2 carcinogen. The WHO would not make this recommendation if it wasn't based on scientific consensus.
@@viviendaquino8364look up the studies done on grass fed, grass finished beef. It's actually very good for you.
silken tofu with soy sauce, sesame seeds and scallions is a wonderful dish.
Lot of people in the comments did their own research I see. Why would they want to listen to one of the world's leading experts talk about the results of actual research?
Oh jeez, you can listen to someone but that doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it. Just because someone does a lot of research on something doesn't mean they're right about everything. And just because someone says something different doesn't mean you have to blindly accept everything they say and disregard any prior knowledge. Appeals to authority are so banal. "Experts" are often biased and need to be called out on it, especially if they are put on an influential platform. Put 5 "'experts" in the same room on nutrition and they will all disagree with each other, and they certainly can't all be right.
Believing in someone because of their status as an expert is the anti-thesis of science. The smartest people in the world who were considered the top experts in their field at some point believed the earth was the center of the universe and the atom was the smallest form of matter.
Many, many experts disagree with this "experts position" including: nutrition experts at the National Library of Medicine, Dr Steven Novella, Professor Timothy Noakes, Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Hallberg, Dr Christopher Palmer, Dr Jeffrey McDaniel, Dr Joe Schwartz, Dr JJ Masani, Dr Mark Hyman, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Bradley Johnston, Dr Eric Westman, Dr Steven Hussey, Dr Gordon Guyatt, Dr Paul Saladino, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Rajsree Nambudripad, Dr Ken Berry, Dr Paul Mason, Dr Thomas Seyfried, Dr Aseem Maholtra, Dr Bret Scher, Dr Susan Wolver, to name a few. But hey if you think eating processed fake meat is the answer then go for it 😂😂😂
@@dudea3378 I agree partially. There thing is a lot of people think they know better than these experts just because what they say is not convenient for them. If you have read some research that contradicts what an expert say, you can be critic. But I bet there are a lot of people that like red meat a lot and say "this thing that red meat is wrong for you is totally wrong. My grandmother lived 120 years eating red meat", and I think those are the ones that the original comment was referring to.
@@dudea3378You're uneducated to the scientific process. Put five experts that you carefully selected to be entertaining and conflicting in the same room and nobody will agree. Pick 100 random nutrition scientists and 97 of them will conclude based on the available data. Some topics are a lot more controversial because they are not settled and there's very limited amounts of data or low quality data. Most commonly discussed nutrition topics are not, they have a pretty clear consensus among the scientific community. I tell you that as a scientist myself. TH-cam scientists (most of them are actually MD not scientists) are a tiny fraction and they are also passively selected by the algorithm to have divisive opinions (because there are niches to be filled, and you can be damn sure there will be the 1 in 100 scientist who will take the opportunity to make money shilling the carnivore diet until there are a few popular carnivore influencers to fill the niche. Having five high profile TH-camrs with a science background shilling carnivore vs about as much or a little more advocating for whole foods plant based does not at all mean that these diets are scientifically comparable and that the scientific community as a whole is highly divided.
I‘m not fond of these processed meat alternatives but if they can make people eat less meat I cheer them of course.
I thought Zoe was against upf?
Sales of fake meat is falling thus he is trying to boost sales.
Only when it suits them, I’m really disappointed in this video as a fan of their usual content. Ultra processed rubbish packed with refined oils will NEVER compete with whole foods, regardless of plant based vs meat.
Hi Harry. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@IndigoBass Arguably, the red meat is a UPF too. Grown and bred to be as attractive as possible and with a fat percentage optimised to eat more. Thus the comparison is between two UPFs; one raises LDL, the other does not.
Also, on the other side plant based meats are not all UPFs. You can easily make your own from whole foods like chickpeas, lentils, beans, and other plants. And in fact, many you can buy at your supermarket are exactly that. It doesn't have to come from foil wrapped packaging.
It's very important to take the point that this plant-based meat is compared against RED meat and RED meat ONLY. You can't deduce anything beyond just that. So, fish, chicken, may very well all outperform this plant-based meat.
They clearly prefer glyphosate/GMO products over grass fed meat. Despite it killing of the tryptophan pathway of microbes
Please can we see the research behind the initial statement?
We need to be concerned for the health of our soils. Ruminants are essential for maintaining the soil. Please, please interview Zoe Harcombe and prove that you are un-biased.
You are 100% correct, unlike this vegetarian who is scaring people from eating healthy red meat.
WILD ruminants definitely because they are efficient with resources and leaner or lower in fat unlike domesticated cattle and livestock. Domesticated cattle and livestock have got to go especially since they tend to be too high in fat to be considered healthy or even safe to eat.
Sorry, but this is the first video from ZOE than I can't really "digest"....
NEVER TRUST anyone who is a vegetarian, especially those funded by Beyond Meat. This is 100% rubbish and should not be viewed.
It's not just protein we need but essential micro-nutrients such as omega 3 DHA, vitamin B12, heme iron, zinc etc.
Maybe you need to chew on it longer....
Yeah, this channel is not as objective as they’d like to seem. For this, it should be a debate with somebody like Dr. Berry or some other reputed carnivore, ideally a physician who has seen the impact of keto/carnivore and just not somebody who cherry picks studies and weak correlations, etc. the agenda in a lot of veganism isn’t about human health but having a squeamishness about eating food with faces.
@@RC-qf3mp You are 100% correct. Cherry picking studies and weak correlations etc. Veganism driven by highly emotional people squeamish about eating 'animals with a face'.
Not about diet at all, more like animal rights.
@@RC-qf3mp I'm against animal cruelty. Aren't you?
Wannna eat more beans? Find an Italian who can cook! My Italian friend can take dried beans and make them into a gourmet dish. I don't know how, but he does, and with inexpensive, simple, ingredients.
Spaniards don't fall behind! 😂 Jokes apart, we cook all sorts of dishes with pulses, from stews (with or without meat) to salads. Two of my favourites are lentils and chickpeas salads, especially in summer!
loads of countries have nice bean dishes, but it is still no replacement for meat
@@StayCoolKeto Why is that? Which amino acids, minerals or vitamins does meat have that you can't get from somewhere else? I know B12 is difficult to get from plants, but you can eat eggs, dairy or supplements for that.
@@javiTests well you won't be eating that if you are a vegan. Vegetarian aren't quite as bad cos of that. From animal proteins you will be getting better amino acid profile,healthy fats, vit D3, B12 like you said, you'll get creatine, carnosine, taurine, DHA, heme iron as well
@@StayCoolKeto I don't think you get better fats from animal protein, actually I think it's the other way around. With animal foods you get more saturated fats (unhealthy) but with plant based foods you get more mono-saturated or unsaturated fats (avocados, nuts, oils, etc.) that are healthier. And the amino acid profile depends on what you eat, but you can get everything you need form plants, although maybe you need a bit more, but since the calories on plants are quite low, you should be fine. Iron you can get it from plants, creatine is not needed and it can be created it by the liver (although it's true that vegans have lower levels if they don't take supplements)... I eat meat, but I know a diet that goes towards more plants is better, in terms of health and it's more efficient resource-wise, so we pollute less.
I wonder if Tim Spector thinks it’s ultra processed? Hmm
Jonathan does bring up Tim in the conversation 🙃
@@joinZOEyeah, and?
Always a pleasure to listen to Christopher Gardner. Thank you!
Who eats red meat three times a day?! Even as a child in the 50s and 60s we only had meat once a day. These days I eat meat once or twice a week on average. I'm happy with that and have no intention of ever eating this fake meat UP products. I can't see that giving people something that tastes and looks exactly like meat can be a 'gateway' to eating pulses.
People in the trial were only given the 'meat' part of their diet. There's no way they can be sure that everything ele remained the same on each side of the trial. This episode is a real low for ZOE, pushing a UP product just beacause it's allegedly better for you than meat. I'm fine with the message that people should be eating less meat, but can't see that replacing it with an exact mimic will bring about any real change.
So many people do. They have a turkey sandwich for breakfast and meat for lunch and dinner. Sometimes even a quick snack sandwich with bacon or ham on.
@@kommunikarin Good grief!
There are people who eat junky meat three times a day, with side-orders of junky carbs. And there are people who eat high quality beef, fish, dairy, etc., and very low carb, as part of a nutritional ketogenic diet, such as an anti-inflammatory diet, that relieves chronic inflammation from a variety of causes and replaces a variety of medications and their harmful side effects. Eating salmon and eggs for breakfast, a burger bowl (no bread) for lunch and bone broth for dinner works for many people as a typical day’s food.
I'm working to eat less meat but let's not gloss over the pesticides and herbicides used heavily on plant foods that are also harming us.
The cows and pigs are also consuming those plants sprayed with pesticides, herbicides, fungicide, and insecticide.
Bioaccumulation of pollutants and contaminants of the food chain is a thing you may need to consider.
@@WFPB_4_Lifedon't need to spray hay fields like you do crops.
@@stevew4117 Fodder crops do get sprayed. Crop waste is also a part of many animals diets.
Well eat organic and buy organic!
did i just watched a commercial?
Yes, dr. Gardner is paid by beyond meat
Yes you have by the looks of things. Is this guy funded by Beyond Meat by any chance?
@@angiedavies347no, just this study, as clearly stated in the video. If you think that means that the results were fudged, then that's your perogative. If you really believe that a professor of medicine at stanford would risk his career and credibility just for a few dollars, that's your loss.
@@ricado372 is not about the money.
@@ricado372 He was funded by the BIG food industry (Beyond Meat) and he cherry picks out of date science to suit this vegetarian beliefs. He even admits to gaining funds from Beyond Meat.
Ultra processed food advertisement??? I thought Zoe is totally against that? What happened to "eat food as close to their natural form as possible"?
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast. It's a really interesting episode on a highly debated topic, we hope you'll give it a listen.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
@@Caladcholg No, just that Beyond Meat products are healthier or at least safer than natural red meat in the sense that people are less likely to get cardiovascular disease or feed certain cancers. You may want to analyze what's in 'natural red meat' and see for yourself what exactly is contained in it concerning not only nutrients but pollutants as well.
@chiyerano @chiyerano oh, I have 'analyzed what's in' red meat. For years. See: my comment on this video (and the rest in which Christoper Gardener makes an appearance, if you're so inclined)
Also, I am intimately familiar with the 2015 event that led the World Health Organization to classify red and processed meats as 'likely carcinogens' and 'group 1 carcinogens', respectively. Look up Dr. Klurfeld for a more in-depth explanation. While on the subject of cancer, might I suggest reading the works of Dr. Thomas Seyfried regarding the metabolic is metabolic origins?
I can't swallow this story.
It’s junk. The real question is why we evolved to love eating meat, esp fatty meat, like bacon and braised short rib or smoked brisket. And we evolved to like it b/c it’s good for us.
I confess I don’t get it. Just eat fewer burgers (still have some) and have bowls of interesting, nicely prepared vegetables instead. Be a grownup.
That is obviously not the reality of the majority :/
You missed the entire point. Everyone acknowledged that whole plant foods are better than these 'vegan burgers'. The entire point is to eat this instead of the meat burger, and that includes the "have fewer of them, still have some". If you like burgers, the point of these alternatives is that instead of going from 1 meat burger a day to 2 meat burgers a week (which would already be a good thing), you'd go from 1 meat burger a day to 2 vegan burgers a week. The less burgers and steaks you eat, the better, no matter what the burgers and steaks are made of. Whatever amount of burger and steaks you do end up eating, it's always going to be better if those are the plant based alternative over meat.
The title refers to "plant based meats" but the research refers to beyond meat (which is addressed in the youtube). So the research is very misleading for me which is not the norm for ZOE broadcasts. There are many very diverse types of meat alternatiives. Looking at the ingredients for this specific product for me it comes under UPF. Even considering the short clinical trial run by the Dr that was positive. Not something I would currently buy and this hasnt changed my view. Generally quite dissapointed by this particular interview.
Hi Chris. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
@Caladcholg Again, science doesn't care about the "stance " of zoe. The results are what's important here. What is it your feelings don't like about the results?
@ricado372 read my own comment on this video.
@@ricado372 did that answer your question to your satisfaction?
Always enjoy listening to Dr. Gardner and his great research project 🥰
Seitan is a really yummy meat substitute. Easy to make, chewy and yummy.
I may have missed this detail, but was the study isocaloric, or was it just replacing a 150g burger patty with a 150g beyond meat patty? Id like to see both designs, out of curiosity. In a real world setting, someone will swap a sausage for a sausage, calories be damned, but then that introduces the variable of total calories.
Also, as someone who eats closer to 60% of my calories from meat and eggs, i would be very much interested in what a swap at a higher calorie level would be like. Or, if i went down to 30% meat and 30% beyond meat.
I think the most important thing is to get 5-10 portions of fruit and veg. The modern diet is mainly beige carbs and UPF. swap those for fruit and veg and retain the meat and id be surprised if the results werent more favourable than the meat for veg swap in this study.
This makes no sense…just have a red meat from grass fed cattle once a week…is fine..we have heard this over and over and meals made with beans and legumes the rest of the week. Plus didn’t Dr Sarah advocate fish ? Oily fish.
So this is just marketing for beyond burgers….do us Brits eat lots do burgers? Then he says don’t buy products with ingredients which aren’t in your kitchen.
Sorry Zoe…it’s a NO from me…
The healthiest meat and truly grass fed meat is WILD GAME meat. Any other grass fed meat is a marketing ploy may be still too high in fat to be considered healthy or even safe to eat.
I usually dont thumbs down zoe but this video is an advertisement.
You seem to be an advertisement of what happens when someone didn't really understand or objectively watch a video.
Yup. And hard to take seriously this paid shill from Stanford - a university whose law school DEI is so bad, they shut down a visiting Judge, lost credibility and had to put the DEI woke police ‘on leave’. A university where they have a biologist who doesn’t know the difference between males and females and think it’s all in your head. Uh huh. And this where we are supposed to get unbiased, objective science on nutrition? no thanks. Heading out to the farmer’s market now to get some short ribs.
@@chiyerano Gardner is a shill for the fake-meat industry, which paid for the study, so people could talk about it, and provide advertising for the fake-meat. Yes, it is literary an advertisement. Why do you think corporations pay for stuff like this? How naive. Maybe eat some real meat so that the myelin in your brain can grow back - a big problem for vegans.
I’m frankly surprised at Zoe in promoting this way of eating. Not only is Prof Gardner a vegan stalwart of 40 years or so, and therefore significantly biased, but his involvement with the American Heart Association has been much criticised over the years. The “diet” promoted by the AHA and Prof Gardner does not promote good eating practice, especially for those with diabetes and/or cardiac issues. Whereas, I am not wholly against eating plant based foods, indeed I love a good bean “salad”, it must be in the context of the whole spectrum of nutritious foods. In order to redress the balance Zoe should, IMHO, be prepared to talk with others who are fully conversant with current whole science food research and who may have a different approach than going down the vegan UPF route.
I wanna try some other plant foods eventually but as whole food-plant based I'll very likely have to make my own hummus, which is no problem. That is one example. Check out the ingredients of hummus as the store. They are ultra-processed. I have no problem with foods of different cultures but if the stores and restaurants have nothing but ultra-processed super rich with salt, oil and sugar, then I'll never eat it. 7 years going now, strict whole food-plant based.
I think Quorn isn't too bad if you get just the pure product without any added breadings, Etc. There aren't any seed oils or emulsifiers in it. But how in the hell could an engineered,highly processed fake meat product ever be as healthy as good pasture-raised and or grass-fed meat? We need a human randomized control trial 1-2 years long, one where they aren't playing any BS games with rigging the results to come in a certain way.
Quorn is hard for a lot of us to digest.
No need to consume fake meat, we've beans, lentilles, eymtc
"But how in the hell could an engineered,highly processed fake meat product ever be as healthy as good pasture-raised and or grass-fed meat.", because it is, doesn't matter what the animals fed it'll raise cholesterol, it contains saturated fat, it contains carcinogens, etc. etc. in the past this wasn't a factor we just needed to live long enough to reproduce but now we're looking to optimise health and it's something to think about
These ARE made for people like me, a non-vegetarian. I love a very good veggie burger every once in a while and will choose it over meat. I was a vegetarian in my youth, though I was raised eating meat. I didn’t particularly miss it until after about 10 years I started craving it. Maybe I was missing trace elements. I still eat meat but eat many vegetarian meals by choice. I’m glad these products are available for occasional meals.
Transitional meats for newbies should probably be overcome in time. I enjoy semi processed or fresh unprocessed foods mostly. It's just so much better for you.
I have now lost 100% confidence in Zoe for allowing this hoax film to be shown. Sad. No doubt others will loose faith in Zoe too (I've read some of the comments too).
Very sad.
Hello. Just to clear up any confusion, we aren't supporting ultra-processed plant-based meats - Christopher is sharing the results from his study which compared these alternatives to red meat. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast. We hope this helps clarify.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
What I would really be interested in is if when the diets were matched for fiber whether the differences would still be there?
I do find these podcasts. really very interesting and challenging, however, I do wish the contents could be shrunk to 15 to 20 (at the most) minutes. My life is so full, that I really do not have sufficient time to watch through for an hour.
I am not stopping my meat consumption for yet another processed alternative
Saying "worse than" implies red meat is bad, it is not. Fake meat seed oil slop is sub-human feed, red meat is food.
Gardner also states lies about antibiotics in meat - it is illegal to cull cattle in the UK that have been treated with drugs. Each cow is ear tagged and any medication is recorded.
I rest my case
Water, Pea Protein*, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Rice Protein, Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet).
Those ingredients look better to me than Meat filled with Growth Hormones and Antibiotics
Study funded by Beyond Meat. Need I say more?
Most people do not eat 2 servings of meat a day with no vegetables. Not al red meat is sausages. A steak is a natural product and eaten with vegetables, would not be unhealthy and better than any processed food.
Steak is unhealthy especially if it is marbled or high in fat and grilled. The meat that is healthiest to eat is LEAN meat and such meat is mainly found in WILD game meat. Fatty meat is so dangerous to eat that it even makes the very carnivorous animals we feed it to sick and is a major reason why domesticated cattle and livestock are so dangerous. Look up diabetic cats for examples of what I am talking about. Saturated fat is best obtained from whole plants, even fatty plants like coconut and avocados because plant fats are easier for the body to control and burn off.
Also concerning funded studies, I just hope you apply the same line of reasoning to egg, meat, and dairy studies that have been funded by the egg, meat, and dairy industries or businesses as well.
@chiyerano of course I do. That's why I believe in a balanced diet with a lot of veg, fruit and pulses, but also some meat (mainly white but also some red), eggs and fish. What is to avoid is processed meat and UPFs of any type.
@@chiyerano Diabetic cats may have been fed commercial cat food which is often bulked up with grain (carbs) which cats shouldn't eat.
@@miriaisola34 No, not all cats, some cats were fed nothing but fatty meat and they still got diabetes. Concerning human examples, you can also look up Drew Harrisberg and Cyrus Khambatta who are both diabetics who successfully managed if not treated their diabetes with a whole food plant based diet without any animal products.
Amazing episode... 🎉
I loved this podcast! Thank tou.
Usually like your content, but this is the longest ZOE commercial yet. Not to mention promoting UP foods. :(
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
this is disappointing. there’s no way a hydrogenated oil burger is healthy. it is highly processed and are loaded with weird ingredients
You’re right. Seems like common sense. Follow the 💰
I understood this podcast to mean that Beyond Meat is healthier than your typical red meat burger. Since many people, at least in the U.S., are less likely to eat things like beans and more likely to eat things like beef burgers, it would be easier to get people to eat Beyond Meat products than it would be to get people to eat beans in the U.S..
You talk specifically about hydrogenated oils. These types of oils are banned, so you're not going to find them processed foods. You will find them naturally in meat, though. Saturated fat, hydrogenated fats, and cholesterol occur naturally in meat.
The synonym is "trans fats". Google that and you will find it is in animal products. But it's banned as a distinctive food product like hydrogenated oils.
51:50 he doesn't say they are healthy, they just appear to be healthier than red meat based in a study he did where people on average lost 2 pounds of weight, got their LDL colesterol 10 points lower and a marker of CVD was lower. The real healthy food is legumes.
It's a seed oil bean burger with saturated fat flavorings 😅😂
I was getting stuff from Sainsburys and just been to look at the meatless balls in the freezee - yup UPF.
i draw the line at plant based cheese.... no thanks
Don’t understand why they haven’t been able to produce vegan tasty, crumbly cheddar and other cheese flavours especially without using coconut oil.
Minor nitpick, but only because I'm a personal trainer and this is something that way too many people say incorrectly. Lat pulldown does not mean a lateral pulldown. It's a latissumus dorsi pulldown, because those are the main muscles worked
After watching this together with The Game Changers, I’m willing to take the plunge into plant based meat alternatives, however, I’m finding most of these products seem to be ready processed (chicken kiev, ready made curry etc) I don’t enjoy this type of food. Where can I find plain and simple meat alternatives to cook with? I don’t want “take away ready meals” I need to incorporate these products into what I already like to cook and eat.
Any help on where to source would be much appreciated.
I think I missed the message, why MUST we cut back on eating meat?
Tofu varies in texture, depending on its water content. Tofu that is firmer has had more water removed during pressing. I've seen a youtuber recommending freezing tofu as this draws out more water and creates a texture thatbsoaks up marinades better but, I haven't tried this yet! 😋
I ve done this, its good
Yep freezing tofu changes its texture and improves marinade uptake...I do it regularly.
Thanks, for this, I buy cheap watery Tofu, so I'll try it.
I wonder if you remove the water, the cheap watery Tofu is approx the same price is the more expensive less watery Tofu 🤔
Freezing it also makes it easier to get crispy Tofu if you want to have it as part of a stir fry. Defrost, press, cut into small cubes and coat with corn starch then fry in olive oil until light brown crispy niceness. Set aside and then do the rest of the stir fry (veggies, noodles or rice) and add Tofu back in.
Excellent interview w/ lots of great info. I love the concept of meat alternatives as a gateway drug for meat eaters toward a more vegetarian life, and I truly appreciate the tie-ins of meat production to climate change. Thanks.
Can we not just admit that, while avoiding ultra-processed foods is usually a good guideline because *most* of them aren't healthy, it's not impossible for a food to be ultra-processed and still good for you? Rather than trying to claim that meat alternatives that are clearly ultra-processed somehow aren't because of some new criteria you've just invented, such as their ingredients all being found in a supermarket? Btw Beyond Meat still wouldn't meet that criteria, since it contains Methylcellulose and Sunflower Lecithin, neither of which I've seen on a supermarket shelf before... (even though they're not hard to buy online)
I have been a vegetarian for 30 years and really enjoy tempeh and tofu both of which can be cooked in a variety of ways with a range of flavours. I have also tried a selection of meat substitues and some of them are tasty but I have never made them part of a regular menu item. I use them when I have meat eaters over for a meal. It's like a lot of things, you know something is not the most healthy choice, like crisps, biscuits and cake but you choose to eat them on occassion. As long as it is not a regular habit, don't sweat it. However, if these meat substitues help meat eaters eat less meat then go ahead, include them in your weekly shop as long as you check the ingredients for any real nasties.
I cannot see how only 2 weeks can be seen as a nutritional study..
And how can weight loss over this period be seen as a good sign? Pretty much all dietary changes show this for the first 2 weeks. Some of it might just be lower levels of absorption or appetite until the body adapts.
Also, for a Dr to call LDL "bad cholesterol " is disappointing. People must know by now that there is no bad or good cholesterol and the LDL talks about the lipoprotein (essential) which just carries cholesterol (essential) through the body.
Also to talk about 2 pro-infammatory molecules associated with meat is silly. There are important pro and anti inflammatory processes all the time.
Plus in some areas growing meat is much better for the environment than monocultute...
We have recently introduced meat again into our diet. We ate only home prepared food with fresh veg, lentils, beans and chickpeas. Sadly, we could not control my husbands blood sugar levels and are trying chicken and veg instead. Not sure what else to do really. We've tried so many different things, the balance is difficult to find.
please consider including oily fish twice a week as well, your brain really needs plenty of those omega3 fatty acids, too hard to get ENOUGH from plants. tinned sardines/mackerel/salmon are so easy to use and go well with mustard or spicy tomato if you want to change the flavour. see the work of Dr Georgia Ede or Dr Patrick Holford, for brain health
Always great to see / hear Chris Gardner and another gold standard study. Don't also forget about the cancer risk from meats. all the things I've seen say that the tri Methyl amine (TMA) is produced in the gut from Choline and Carnitine and the TMA is then converted in the liver to TMA oxide. It enables cholesterol and saturated fat to get through the endothelium lining of the arteries and blood vessels leading to Plaque formation and its effect in reducing Nitrous Oxide formation - which is the most powerful blood vessel dilation agent in the body
I think you’ll find the jury is still very definitely “out” regarding unprocessed meats and their (supposed) cancer / CVD-causing properties (as eagerly pronounced by pro-plant scientist-lobbyists like Professors Gardner and Spector). Many mainstream specialists are now turning their attention towards excessive carbohydrates and starches as the (highly likely) number-one culprits. Not unprocessed meats like Lamb and Beef and their associated fats
Red meat and dairy protect against cancer
Here are four recent studies on the effects of trans-vaccenic acid (TVA) on cancer in humans:
1. **"Trans-vaccenic acid reprograms CD8+ T cells and anti-tumor immunity"**
- **Publication**: Nature
- **Year**: 2023
- **Summary**: Researchers at the University of Chicago found that higher levels of TVA in the blood improved the response to CAR-T cell immunotherapy in patients with lymphoma, enhancing the ability of CD8+ T cells to target and kill cancer cells. The study suggests TVA could be a dietary supplement to support T cell-based cancer treatments.
- **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep.
2. **"Trans-vaccenic acid inhibits proliferation and induces apoptosis of human nasopharyngeal carcinoma cells via a mitochondrial-mediated apoptosis pathway"**
- **Publication**: Lipids in Health and Disease
- **Year**: 2023
- **Summary**: This study demonstrated that TVA inhibits the viability of nasopharyngeal carcinoma (NPC) cells and induces apoptosis through a mitochondrial-mediated pathway. Higher doses of TVA significantly increased apoptotic markers such as cleaved PARP and caspase-3 in NPC cells, indicating its potential as a therapeutic agent for treating nasopharyngeal carcinoma.
- **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep.
3. **"Nutrient found in beef and dairy improves immune response to cancer"**
- **Publication**: Biological Sciences Division, University of Chicago
- **Year**: 2023
- **Summary**: This study demonstrated that higher levels of TVA in blood improved the effectiveness of CD8+ T cells in targeting and killing cancer cells, particularly in patients undergoing CAR-T cell immunotherapy for lymphoma. The findings suggest TVA could support T cell-based cancer treatments.
- **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep.
4. **"Beef and dairy nutrient boosts immune response to cancer"**
- **Publication**: Nature
- **Year**: 2023
- **Summary**: The study highlighted that higher levels of TVA in blood improved the effectiveness of CD8+ T cells in targeting and killing cancer cells. The research suggests that TVA could be used as a dietary supplement to support various cancer treatments by enhancing immune response.
- **Found in**: Meat and dairy products from grazing animals like cows and sheep.
These studies collectively highlight the potential of TVA in enhancing immune responses and inducing cancer cell apoptosis, suggesting its possible application in cancer therapy. Further research is needed to optimize its use and dosage in clinical settings.
There are so many really stupid comments on here! This is purely about trying to get people who love their meat being able to find a satisfactory alternative in order to reduce meat-eating overall. If you already eat home-cooked vegan or vegetarian meals , this isn’t aimed at you.
I’m not vegan, or carnivore - I don’t have skin in this game when it comes to faux meat vs. red meat. But common sense tells me that I should go with the real thing, instead of the highly processed, man made product that is supposed to be “better for heath.” I know this is unpopular opinion on this channel, but meat is an ancestral food and played a huge part in human evolution. Unprocessed red meat does have nutrients and can be a part of a healthy lifestyle. This whole UPF narrative/man-made alternative talk reminds me a lot of the push for margarine vs. butter back in the 80’s and 90’s. We know where that got us! 🤡
Our ancestors meat wasn't pumped with growth Hormones, antibiotics and other crap....and they weren't factory farmed.
The meat our ancestors ate were free roaming and untouched by the industrial farming industry.
I agree. Factory farmed meat is terrible for the planet and for health. However, I eat meat from my local farmers market. It is grass fed and grass finished. I’ve seen where the animals live, what they are fed. I am a huge fan of regenerative farming and I support it.
You can actually buy powdered pea isolate, maybe not in a chain grocery store. Tempe comes in lots of seasoned versions. And to get away from the environmental effects of cattle by avoiding cow dairy, you can eat chevre, a goat or sheep cottage cheese that's mild.
I totally agree that we need to move away from meat eating, particularly the appealing way its produced in the US but I fear that the vegan meat alternatives are ultra processed. There are some alternatives that arnt so much processed. Why do we need an ultra proccesed food to lead to more eating of the real alternative beans and paulses. But if as he argued, plant based alternatives are a step in the right direction Ill go with his research.
I usually love Zoe but this is complete nonsense! Ultra processed food packed with refined oils will never be healthy. All the benefits from a high fibre whole foods plant based diet are lost with ‘food’ like meat replacement burgers, this is really disappointing from you guys.
Hello, just to clear up any confusion, we aren't praising ultra-processed plant-based meats. With anything in nutrition, it's a question of 'instead of what' rather than foods being solely good or bad, as Christopher goes into great depth to explain in the podcast.
@@joinZOEare your seriously stating your company's stance is that this UPF is healthier (the 'instead of what' in your comment here) than the nutrients found in natural red meat? We listened to the whole thing.
The more I look into this the more I don’t know what we should eat anymore. One says don’t eat meat, other says don’t eat plants, third says don’t eat high oxalate, and more differing views on this and that.
I think I will just eat what I like within a reason. Definitely not ultra processed, genetically modified and make sure I don’t have too much carbohydrates. I like meat, equally I like tofu and tempeh.
SAfest thing is to not eat anything and invest in infusion of nutrients via IV lines :)
I agree with you. I really hate extremes when it comes to diet. It doesn’t have to be one or the other (meat OR plants). You can eat both, and be very healthy. The common denominator between all of the diets that people argue about (vegan, carnivore, keto, etc.) is that they are centered around Whole Foods. What you decide to eat, or not eat, after that should be based on individual food sensitivities and preferences. I don’t think animal products are necessarily unhealthy - and neither are plants. But for someone like me with intolerances to beans, legumes, and most grains/gluten - being vegan does not work for me. I don’t like it when experts/scientists vilify specific foods or macronutrients - and recommend one dietary pattern for an entire population. Many experts, scientists, and (sadly) doctors receive funding from big pharma, agriculture, and corporations that produce UPF’s. Personal bias, pride, money, and greed have ruined the healthcare system and destroyed the credibility of most experts/professionals in the nutrition space. Eat Whole Foods, limit processed foods, avoid added sugar and alcohol and you’ll see huge gains in health. It’s that simple.
Did everyone forget about the cholesterol myth?
Ansel Keys (the creator of the myth) himself said it was bunk.
It seems that at least the interviewer and guest have.
The one you need can be made by your body, the one you eat, it goes to your blood
I love the taste of Beyond Burgers, and I typically fry them up with a bit of Montreal Steak spice on them and eat them without any buns. Given the choice, I take them over meat burgers. However, for whatever reason, I find them much less satiating than other options with comparable calories. My suspicion is that it's the high fat content when compared to most of the other plant based foods that I'd eat, with fat being of very low satiety for me. As to why they'd be less satiating for me than comparable meat products, I have no idea!
So, I have Beyond Burgers two or three times a month, and most days I have protein isolate, which I find pretty satiating.
NO NO NO NO Thank you!!! The ingredient list is horrific... Is their ultimate goal to limit the population. one cancer diagnosis at a time.... NO NO NO thank you....
Compared to what? Are you comparing it to meat or to unprocessed plant protein sources? You are giving off serious 'meat industry bot' vibes with your scary spamming.
where is your study. no data, no valid claim.
@@Spangletiger Are you an investor?
You can buy into their fake food, I for one am smarter than that! You are easily fooled...if you think fake food is good for you eat up... NO F'ing thank you!!! NO FAKE FOOD!
its not created to limit the population. plant based meat will be used more and more in the future as our consciousness continues to increase and will it be further improved. raising cows is a huge cause of greenhouse gas.
its not created to limit the population. plant based meat will be used more and more in the future as our consciousness continues to increase and will it be further improved. raising cows is a huge cause of greenhouse gas.
Thank you
What about amount of iron in the meal?
what about ALL THE CHEMICALS, have you looked at the ingredient list? yikes....
Eat beans
Lots of iron in plants and plant iron is better for you.
@@viviendaquino8364 Can you explain how exactly "plant iron" is chemically different from "meat iron"?
@@sburton84 Heme iron is a polyhedral compound made up of iron ions surrounded by porphyrin rings. It's found in animal proteins, such as meat, poultry, seafood, and fish, and is a key component of hemoglobin and myoglobin. While heme iron is more readily absorbed by the body, it is harder for the body to control and regulate than non-heme iron and could lead to excess and an excess of iron in the body leads to toxicity especially since the iron begins to act as an oxidant in the body leading to not only undesirably but harmful affects in the body. Non-heme iron from plants is much easier for the body to control and regulate and is safer for the body to consume for the same reason it is safer to fat soluble vitamins in their precursor forms from plants e.g. beta carotene for vitamin A and tocopherols for vitamin E since they tend to be stored by the body and lead to excess if care is not taken. Whole plant based foods are the safest ways for the body to access these nutrients.
Very interesting. I’d be interested into what the gut biome impact was in a similar study for high quality meat vs meat alternatives. Looked at beyond and they contain emulsifiers, and chemicals. Would be cool to see what’s healthier here.
Read the ingredients of “plant-based meat,” it looks like a chemistry project gone awry.
YES! I have - they are trying to kill us off, one cancer diagnosis at a time...
But there are some pretty vast differences between types of plant-based "meat alternatives". Some have quite short, clean ingredient lists.
What an embarrassingly biased interview. I struggled on to the end but really Zoe, chatting with a plant based advocate from the vegan school of Walter Willett funded by the very company he did the study for! 😂 Sugar is good for us, said a study funded by the sugar marketing board, tobacco is safe, from a study by the tobacco companies…. Laughable. I hope he knows that fish has more TMAO than meat or that LDLc is a poor marker of metabolic health. How about triglyceride to HDLc ratio and Lp(a), HbA1c? Ultra processed fake meat is just that, nothing else… but, as Zoe is now a plant based channel I shouldn’t be at all surprised. How disappointing not to have a balanced view 😩
Are you surprised at this point? It's Christoper Gardener. It's his life work. Science advances one funeral at a time, either the body or the ego.
Surprised at Zoe, yes. I hoped they’d counter the biased view. Christopher Gardener, no surprise.
@karenphipps902 yeah, I agree; I'm thoroughly disappointed with ZOE at this point, and I hope the whole enterprise isn't just some 'eat less meat' Trojan horse of sorts, although Tim Spector appearing along side Gardner in that recent 'vegan twins' Netflix documentary isn't exactly assuaging my fears.
Agree. Zoe is a plant based platform.
@karenphipps902 Yes, that appears to be the case, which is why I appreciate people like you posting comments with actual, mechanistic explanations for why this information is so bad. It's heartening that people are becoming aware that planetary and genomic 'health' and 'plant based' aren't exactly synonymous.
To make textured vegetable protein, soybeans are first dried/dehydrated. Then they are ground in flour and made into crumbles of different sizes.
TVP can be considered somewhat highly processed because it must be extruded, which causes a change in the structure of the soy protein. Many TVP producers also use solvents, such as hexane, to separate soy fat from soy protein. There’s always the possibility that tiny amounts of the solvent linger in the TVP.
Overall, TVP is a processed product and not the same thing as eating actual soybeans. While soybeans are found in nature, textured vegetable protein is definitely not.
I miss being able to get a house-made black bean burger at restaurants. Those are always amazing. I don’t know who asked for realistic fake meat.
I‘ve got an amazing recipe for chili sin carne. I love it.
Would love the recipe
I used to be such a fan of Zoe at the beginning. I’m so disappointed how your podcast has turned out. Jonathan praising Ozempic as a miracle drug. And Christopher Gardner preaching his misinformation on red meat, LDL etc. Just because the mainstream thinks along those lines, doesn’t make it true. I would have thought Zoe would have investigated more.
I am 68 years in age and find the word “elderly” insulting. I am an older adult. Please consider changing your description of those of us that are older.
Retired pharmaceutical chemist methyl cellulose and other derivatives are commonly used to manufacture of common drugs
Im sorry, I have to correct both of you. Vegetables and legumes are sprayed with pesticides are not healthy. The USA actually uses sprays banned in other countries. I have suffered not from the veg that has been sprayed. In fact it has made me intolerant to some veg and some garlics etc. So dont say Vegetables are obviously healthy. I am starting my own hydroponic growing of vegetables. Meat is as good as what it is fed and generally what animals eat is sprayed with pesticides etc. Farming in the older days wasnt like this and people did not suffer from eating meat. In general, if you had more than 4 oz of meat per day that would be the norm. Carbohydrates and grains again sprayed are far worse than meat. Moreover, it is difficult to buy any quality food that is fed with good natural food and vegetables and grains not sprayed. Hence I am growing my own and rearing my own in the more traditional way.😊😊. Zoe please emphasise this not just make an automatic assumptions.
Vegetables are obviously healthy. Spraying any food with poison is obviously unhealthy. They may be less accessible where you live but it's likely not impossible, just prohibitively expensive for some people.
@@Dehibernation Vegetables are not always obviously healthy…even when they are grown organically, in great soil, free of herbicides, pesticides and artificial fertilisers. It also depends on the individual and their genetics etc.
Organic isn’t 😂
Guys, be careful. The cheap alternatives contain seeds oils, emulsifiers etc. In the end, there are more worse plant-based alternatives than those good ones. Just read the sticker for more info.
We did not come down out of the trees to eat legumes and mushrooms. Eating red meat does raise your LDL... and guess what? people who live to 100 have high LDL. It's triglicerides that are the issue, and that has to do with sugar and processed foods like fake meat, not saturated fat. A meta study in 2022 found low fat dietary advice of the past 50 years has done nothing to help our hearts. It's the processed foods and sugar/carb load!
It's ultra-processed-need we know more than that. I'm off before I see an ad pop up. Ciao!
Yes, never learn anything new and continue on in ignorance. I can only hope you don't spread it to anyone else. Ciao!
@@chiyerano Are you a 'Vegan'?
@@jamesjones7138 Yes, and? There was more to this video than just identifying something as ultra processed.
@@chiyerano I find videos on 'Veganism' to be usually cases of'preaching to the coverted' and I'm not converted.
@@jamesjones7138 This video isn't about veganism and no one is trying to convert you to anything. They are just trying to share information based on study findings to respond to questions others have had on these matters.
Don’t t eat processed crap
is he not polarized himself for favourings about plant based? If you listen to a carnivore doctor they are just as sure and proving their side. He is right and all others are wrong, that is the true definition of polarized. Dr Sarah Hallberg says quite the opposite
Carnivore doctors do not base their information on the scientific consensus. They often misinterpret results and misconstrue results. The powerful animal agriculture industries also put information out there to cast doubt. And it works, as can be witnessed in some comments here. All they have to do is introduce doubt- oh, that study is rubbish. Also, they conduct industry funded studies that are designed to show their products in a good light.
My gran mother lived to 94 and ate meat and vegetables and was obese and smoked for 40yrs and had a drink every other day. Genetics must play a huge role here.
I wonder what her consumption of UPF foods was. I’ve relatives who also lived to 90s and even 100s but they ate simple food albeit as you described for your Grandmother with “less healthy” lifestyle things. My grandfather did not eat crisps, preprepared meals etc until much later in life. He was 98 when he passed.
Yes, but your grand mother probably ate meat and food in general fairly sparingly or in small amounts especially if she lived in the U.S. and was affected by the Great Depression. Plus much food nowadays has been greatly diluted in nutritional value. The apples we have today may not be like your grandmother's apples nutritionally speaking.
What does processed and salt has to do with red meat? Honestly, the people working in nutrition science is every day more resembling cult preachers. Impossible to know what to eat and who to trust. Help!
Alarm bells should go off when any scientist says “we already know…” and then goes on to make a truth claim about food.
I would respect them more if they said “I believe…” or “the studies I place credence in suggest…”.
It also made me laugh when Jonathan told the guest that people always love to hear what he has to say. Looking back at the comments on previous videos where he appears suggest that this is being very partial with the truth.
Boo on this story. There is lots of research to debunk his claims. I'll stick with my home grown healthy red meat. I love Zoe but this is the first story I can't stomach.
None whatsoever
They’re not ‘plant based meat,’ plant based meat is a contradiction in terms. It is a crime against the English language. And if people want to go vegan eat vegetables that aren’t pretending to be meat.
Lean Mass Hyper Responders shows high LDL is not the cause of Heart Diseases
I love the Better than Beef... I think that's what they are called. I would actually eat them before I would eat an actual meat burger. They taste better.
zoe is a vegan platform and now promoting plant based upf. Why not invite shaun baker on the show. zoe bias has become very disappointing
I love the fact that the fake meats measures up as far as nutrition go; However, I would rather eat the beans without being processed. Whole food is always best!!
I’d choose a plain, organic tofu over the processed rubbish!
Well, you probably aren't part of the targeted consumer base so I wouldn't worry about it.
Evidence based great knowledge
Let's listen to what a guy paid by beyond meat and a vegan because of the environment has to say about meat. Oh, look... What a surprise
Nailed it.
He IS talking about well-executed research, though, right? He’s not just “saying” it. The industry funding is unfortunate but it’s good research.
@@difrancophileA necessary evil?
@@difrancophile that is like saying a coca cola study saying coca cola is healthy is trustworthy. You have no idea what they are doing to make their "stufies" work. The conflict of interest is just too great to have any merit. They can mess with so many variables and retry studies multiple times to get the desired results. Then they don't present the ones with bad results
Meta analyses of many many studies confirm what he says though.
Please just don't eat processed meat, go to the shop and get just lamb shoulder and slow cook it in the oven or get fresh mince and make tasty Italian meat balls with a Greek salad....😊 People just get too lazy buying premade foods and don't know how to cook fresh food themselves...😂 Once in a week make tasty chicken soup! And please don't put your kids on this crazy premade crap... Make a lamb stew for them!
Did you know that Aboriginal people are meat eaters, including a kangaroo meat! Guess what, before Britishers came and brought sugar and alcohol to them. They did not know what is diabetes and cancer! By the way aboriginal people had the best healthiest teeth, believe or not!
The World Health Organisation states that red meat (eg. meat from cows, pigs, lamb, etc...) is a Class 2 carcinogen. This is based on the overwhelming scientific evidence.
Could you link a study that shows unprocessed red meat is carcinogenic?
@@Fishwiz114 The World Health Organisation would not publish information like this if it weren't based on solid science. Just do the research yourself.