@Synth&CoffeeGuy probably trying to downplay it and soften the blow doing it that way. cuz everyone's reaction has probably been "woah? what the fuck?! seriously!?"
@@modravoda Translation: I'm the dumbass hipster who bought a Casio toy for 2K. (Pssst... hey dummy, I own an MPC One and SP-404MK2 and, a lot of other professional gear you never heard of in your tiny ass hipster microcosm lol. I'm totally good with not wanting TE overpriced hunk of shits made for dummies like yourself).
Actually, yes ! It feels more and more reasonable, the more you find out about the unit , and compare it with the all around prices on "new" brands like Teenage , Arturia, Eurorack, and so on ! Im SO much in love with the OB, already ! That presentation from Marcus and Nick Batt , just stellar ! 😀
It looks a very nice bit of kit - but for £2K, as well as other amazing hardware synths you could get, you can buy a decent new Macbook Pro with Logic. I was hoping for a new OP-1 at about £1200 but it's £800 too much.
@@Daydreaminginmonothis isn't something that substitutes your studio. My studio is still my studio. But it is nice to have 1/10 of my studio on the go in such a form factor. Not for poor people that's for sure. But for those that work hard or were born rich, this is a drop in a bucket for what it offers.
It just makes life easy, doesn't it? First of all, of course don't buy it. Secondly, if you meet someone with an OP-1 field, put on your faux 80s glasses and your hipster scandewegian accent and sell them a pencil for 900 euros, "because hey, we're reelly cool right now, and look, there's picture of monkey on de side of it! Totally amasing right?"
Maybe the original will fall in price now...a couple of dollars at least....when I got to the comments and realized the price I stopped watching...but they finally include midi i/o?
Gaz was the right guy for the job but man, I wish it had been Nick sat next to (the always cool) Tobias. The price reaction shot should would have been even more priceless.
It might be a bit expensive for a status that's way passed the sell by date. The age of the hipster curdled sometime in like 2015-16. At least as my experience as an elder millennial Portland hipster.
That's all amazing, but it would be even more amazing if TE release a new firmware for the Op-1 (OG version) with SOME of those updates. Some are pretty much translatable like the clicking knob (Which is already supported on OG Op-1). That would be fair for the loyal owners over all those years.
"What was it....1999€! 😃😃😉" 40:36 "oKay...so...a li...qUiTe a biT mOrE???...ja?...but äähm...oKaY 👁👄👁" Gaz had the exact same reaction all of us had about this fucking ridiculous pricetag the audactiy
“From the company that brought you a limited edition red boom box with a rewind switch for $1000, now introducing the op-1 with new dull knob colors for $2000.” That’s how I imagine the commercials will start lol
When the OP-1 came out, I bought arduino and teensy etc... Then I finally bought an OP-1, and sold it a year later (same price) to buy an octatrack. Well I think I'm gonna buy this one... Once you unloaded your money, the thing is much more kind with you than a computer or an octatrack... Maybe I will sell it again after a while... I know I was very disapointed with the very poor updates that clearly could have been more frequent
the price is a joke. for comparison: for 100 euros less you can get the korg nautilus 61: nine synth engines, over 2000 programs, 16 track midi sequencer, 16 track audio recorder, 8-inch touchscreen
Is this supposed to make the original OP-1 seem more reasonably priced? Because it doesn't. Sorry Gaz I don't want to kill your joy but they are out of their minds.
Sure, it's a lovely thing, and if you can afford one then power to you. But anyone who actually tries to justify this price, with the world heading for a global recession and musicians struggling to pay bills, is frankly delusional. £249 for the leather pouch accessory tells you everything you need to know.
$2000 and the keyboard still does not support velocity. Also, 95% of the new features could be made available as a paid firmware update for the old model.
@@Hrotti Possible. Can’t say I keep up with him. Wouldn’t rule out him getting a copy for free from TE to play around with, though, since he’s pretty much the best free advertising they had for the original one.
@@Hrotti I think it was due to him growing out of the limitations of the OP1 - That he didn’t feel like he had much left to musically express within its focused paradigm. I imagine the new OP-1 could open up some new doors and bring him back into the fold, but we’ll see.
In the world of the $1k Deluge and the $2k M1 Macbook, TE give OP-1 fans almost none of what they have been asking for, make it look much shittier, and up the price between $600-$1200, depending on when you start counting. To quote Ross Perot “Where do I sign up?!”
I bought my original OP-1 about a year after its release for about $750; hell even at $1000, I get the purchase. But $2k? I guess if they think they can sell them. It's hard to justify a $800 increase just because of a better DAC and new firmware.
@@roxyamused More so, it would benefit musicians to not get so bent out of shape about the price. Boycotting a company probably not from your country doesn't make you a hero.
A designer product with a price tag to match. I'd rather have an SP-404 MK2 and a bunch of synths. Or just a MacBook Air M1. But if you have the cash, wicked.
I'd take an iPad Pro over this thing FOR SURE. The amount of stuff you can do with an ipad these days is awesome. You have an MPE keyboard right on the screen.. Can use both hands to control stuff.. Set up your own touch controllers and stuff. Most hardware is limited compared to an iPad, obviously, as it can run tons of software.. But the OP-1 compared to pretty much anything will come up extremely short.
@@HiLoMusic Only really by my own standards hahah - very low level and abstract audio manipulation. It is absurdly powerful tho - especially for a single unit. more powerful than a Mac loaded with 100s of VSTs? ehhhh maybe maybe not - but when it comes to that comparison then the OP-1 doesnt hold up too well either
@@Someone89a haha certainly not even close to the OP-1 - even most elektron boxes have more features than this 2k unit - but hey would you happen to know where I could get more info on this kyma system?
@@HiLoMusic symbolic sounds website! Its essentially a (pretty old) dsp box which you program using the computer - a bit like reaktor or pure data on steroids. Amon Tobin and Richard Devine are heavy users of it. Some of the stuff it can do is utterly insane.
Interesting first look, the price reveal was a bit shocking for sure. Especially since I just got a Korg Minilouge XD for around 400. Don't think I'll upgrade from my first-gen OP-1 anytime soon. Too bad about the constant camera focus problems in the video too, might have been better off just shooting it with an iPhone in this case with constant movement. Thanks for the video though!
An op-z field might be a thing, if it has all the aluminium it will maybe not bend anymore and if they put high end keys in it, it might finally have no double triggers……. but it will probably cost 1000 and I am not sure if I am willing to pay that much.
Hard to believe there’s over £3000’s worth of stuff on that table. What a complete ripoff. More fool anyone that buys these. More money than sense. I’d say all three of the main Swedish manufacturers - Elektron, Nord and TE - are robbing their customers blind in their own ways.
Hahaha! 😂 2k?! Wtf are they thinking? 1,2k for this tiny mixer and now this?! Didn’t they get the message through all the memes back when they re-released the OP-1? TE, YOU’RE TOO F***ING EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU OFFER!! STOP HUFFING GLUE!! The mixer especially ticks me off… i have slim fingers and already couldn’t use the Roland Boutique SE-02 properly, cause i accidentally bumped into controls, i didn’t want to change. I don’t know how anyone should possibly use this mixer in any meaningful way… And then they slap a price tag of 1.2k on it?! These prices also are excluding tax and import fees… I mean, i could get a Syntstrom Deluge for about 1.2k including taxes and fees and the Deluge blows the OP-1 completely out of the water!
Yeah I'm not sure what is justifying the price. I'm not particularly angry about it as TE's interfaces always thrown me off. But I don't really understand it with all of the competition around now. 10 years ago at the height of the edm / mobile producer boom, maybe. At this point it's just sort of strange, but it's also strange that people are so upset about it 🤷 just don't buy it.
As a product manager of a software product, pricing something is a detailed strategy of balancing perceived value, experience, return on investment and features. For example, if you buy an iPad, you won't pay for an app that costs nearly as much as the device. So there is a limit to what you will pay. If you buy a laptop, the most you will spend is about a 1/3 of the cost (maximum) for a piece of software, but for an iPad, essentially a computer ( a laptop in different clothes) you'll probably put a limit of £50 on an app, so this is the perceived value. Regardless of the product, it's just how we place value on something. This is a bit of software running on a dedicated piece of hardware, they could deploy this software on an iPad, which ultimately is future-proofed, as the hardware is upgradeable. But of course, you wouldn't pay $2k for it, you probably wouldn't pay $50 for it. So fair play to them. But in reality, this is like the emperor's new clothes.
Spending a fraction of the cost of the device it runs on doesn’t make sense. You said it correctly in your opening statement: price can be based on perceived value and ROI. There is plenty of software out there that costs multiples of the machine it runs on and businesses are happy to pay because of the ROI they get.
Make an OPZ with the same build quality, a screen, more synth engines, sd card slot for sampling and streaming from SD card, midi in and out, more ins and outs, and stereo sampling and you'll have your winner.
It looks like a great machine and i would like one but if i had 2000 in my hand this OP1 would lose out to an MPC One and i would still have 1500 left. So much rad gear out there to spend the rest of the money on.
So basically just a slight update and a new coat of paint and a massive price hike then? Teenage engineering... for people who don't care about cost... like Mac owners then.
Depends. The mac studio is a pretty solid machine and I dig the dead simple / closed interface. The Field doesn't even have that so I have no idea what's causing the price to be what it is.
When I was told the price I quickly turned around and walked away fast with a bit of a grin thinking wow some hipster will actually pay for this... Still lovely Cow graphic.
if they are serious about the price, all I can say is it's a scam. You can buy 2 brand new Roland MC 707s for 2k, and there are many different machines out there from Elektron, Akai, Polyend , don't need to mention the second hand market
This looks great. Overpriced by a lot but great. It’s a little disconcerting how many times the word “same” is used when comparing to the original, considering the price jump here, but multiple tapes/reels is awesome.
For those whining about price The OP-1 came out in 2011. It was Teenage Engineering's first synth and is the long runing flagship of the company. The original OP-1 has held and even gained value a few times If anything over those years as some synths do usualy because supply/demand . People also whined about the price of it when it launched compared to other gear. That's part of the reason Teenage Engineering also offered so many affordable pocket synths packed with features and power so everyone can have fun on any budget. The economy is at a different place now however, electronic components cost more, services and fees are more, inflation hits everything and a small synth company is no more immune to it than anyone else. People wanted a new OP-1 flagship and here it is. like the OP-1, I suspect the Field will hold its value and maintain its status as the new flagship for Teenage Engineering for years to come and the same group that were salty at the price of the first one and this one will always be salty and never satisfied. P.S. original OP price increase in 2018-19 when the company was considering ceasing production was due to Amoled display needing new maker, it's new sourcing and the currency conversion for it, recoding of the new screen display, a redesign for its mounting so new component would fit, new tooling, etc. Now imagine that among other things while designing a new synth during a global shortage of components and pandemic and its not hard to understand how and why the price is where it's at for it. Teenage Engineering is still a relatively small company and doesn't have some of the sources or contracts available like other larger companies out there that can allow them to release things for less. If you managed to make it this far congrats you now know more about the reason for the new price than 99% of people out there currently seething at a product they didn't buy the first time around
In a world where a svelte monster like the Polyend Play is $799, this thing is laughable. And I say that as an early adopter of the original version over 10 years ago.
Damn I am feeling like an junk wanna to watch all the new OP-1 field videos. I was in the same mode when I find out of the Old OP-1 2017. Nice sweet lil review. I am looking forward of more. Thanks for the share.
Tobias is so incredibly unprepared. I hope this is not something rushed… I‘ll wait until people can give us more feedback. In the meantime, I‘ll have to sell a ton of equipment to be able to afford this. 😅
They've been beta testing it with external testers for at least the past six months. Initial impression doesn't seem like it was rushed. (11 years between hardware revisions doesn't seem like a rush to me. :)
Do yourself a favour and get something else - say the new polyend play and an Octatrack. I have two op1s but the price for such little innovation of the new one, nah. I was an op1 fanboy and they are great for mobile music - but watch last week's badgear channel, it's og op1 and he doesn't enjoy using it for actually making tunes (in one week).
40:28 - timestamp for those, who want to see that legendary Gaz's reaction to the price tag
Look on his face like the 6 oclock news said there was a 15 mile wide asteroid heading for earth .
Lol
Gaz was too polite to tell them to f*ck off and walk away (what he should've done)
How the other guy could keep a straight face beats me..
@Synth&CoffeeGuy probably trying to downplay it and soften the blow doing it that way. cuz everyone's reaction has probably been "woah? what the fuck?! seriously!?"
Party like it's £1999
you're a genious. lol
Haha. Perfect marketing slogan 👍🏻
lolol
🤣😂🤣 perfect!
😂🤣 this guy 🤣🤣
“No one should have to pay that price for an OP-1” - Teenage Engineering
Keep buying all these hipsters lol. Over-Priced -1 was a perfect (code) name for this piece of (toy) gear.
@@modravoda Hint: It doesn't matter if it's an OP-1 or OP-1 Field lol. You're still paying 2K for a toy.
@@modravoda Translation: I'm the dumbass hipster who bought a Casio toy for 2K. (Pssst... hey dummy, I own an MPC One and SP-404MK2 and, a lot of other professional gear you never heard of in your tiny ass hipster microcosm lol. I'm totally good with not wanting TE overpriced hunk of shits made for dummies like yourself).
@@modravoda No, criticism of an item does not translate to bitterness. Very strange conclusion to draw.
The price is utterly ridiculous.
Lets judge. This shit is dumb as fuck i hope they sell almost none
Your ridiculous x
Tobias trolling hard, tbf things cost what idiots are prepared to pay. I love capitalism.
@@H4NDCRAFTED it's kind of sad tbh
@@H4NDCRAFTED you mean you love being ripped off
The Oberheim OBX8 looks quite the bargain suddenly…
right? it's almost half the price of a grade A top of the line synthesizer.
Literally the first thing I thought when I saw the price.
Preach!
LMFAO!
Actually, yes ! It feels more and more reasonable, the more you find out about the unit , and compare it with the all around prices on "new" brands like Teenage , Arturia, Eurorack, and so on ! Im SO much in love with the OB, already ! That presentation from Marcus and Nick Batt , just stellar ! 😀
love Gaz's respectful silence when the guy says the price.
40:35 what was it? €1999
casually acting like you’re are forgetting the price.
ahahahaha, tienes razón, es una locura hipster el precio!!!
Gaz inside voice "Errh no!"
I think it was stunned silence more than anything
It looks a very nice bit of kit - but for £2K, as well as other amazing hardware synths you could get, you can buy a decent new Macbook Pro with Logic. I was hoping for a new OP-1 at about £1200 but it's £800 too much.
I’m conflicted, should I buy an OP-1 Field or a brand new M1 14 inch MacBook Pro 🤣
Or a few synths, a mixer and a controller... And probably have money left over
Get a used akai force or a 2012 MBP and I have £1300 left to pay your bills with, which will be doubling soon….
@@tonn333 u mean an akai force? Give over with all the hooking up different bits of gear crap I mean just stop it!
but wait a year, the current m1 14 will cost 1k$, this will old his value.
I found it a bit funny how he heard the price and he was like "Okay, Sooo," and then slowly pushes it away.
U hi u us
I think we all had that reaction 🤣🤣
$19.99 doesn't actually seem bad. I'd go as high as $50 if it had a proper keybed.
exactly, imagine sitting there clicky clacking with that slippery plastic when you could have dropped 2k clams on something more substantial…
@@Daydreaminginmono Oh you're referring to an actual piece of hardware gear used by professional musicians and, not this Fischer Price dollar bin toy.
Best answer, what a shame they don't want to correct the typo
@@Daydreaminginmonothis isn't something that substitutes your studio. My studio is still my studio.
But it is nice to have 1/10 of my studio on the go in such a form factor.
Not for poor people that's for sure.
But for those that work hard or were born rich, this is a drop in a bucket for what it offers.
Ooof... you could feel the air molecules change when the price was mentioned. Good on Gaz for managing to recover the conversation.
Toby kept his grin tho
I guess good that Gaz asked at the end…that would have been a much tougher 40 mins especially if you’re trying to be positive
$2,000 is insane. Not just a little insane, TRULY OFFENSIVELY insane.
It just makes life easy, doesn't it? First of all, of course don't buy it. Secondly, if you meet someone with an OP-1 field, put on your faux 80s glasses and your hipster scandewegian accent and sell them a pencil for 900 euros, "because hey, we're reelly cool right now, and look, there's picture of monkey on de side of it! Totally amasing right?"
I remember when those little pocket operators were being sold at urban outfitters for $30.
Bruh, Gaz testing the poly limit by bashing on it like a drunken chimp is the best thing I've ever seen.
😂👍
I found the first one was already shockingly overpriced...
For $2k, I'd rather go either for a "BIG" workstation, or even a full mobile rig !!!
Yeah, if everyone just refuses to buy it, the price will come down like usuall. Crazy ass price there, would never.
You could buy like a dozen eurorack modules, or a flagship synth/workstation like Korg Kronos. £2k for new OP-1 is just crazy
Miniaturisation is expensive, yet some people seem to want to match size to cost directly.
Maybe the original will fall in price now...a couple of dollars at least....when I got to the comments and realized the price I stopped watching...but they finally include midi i/o?
when you compare it to buying an UDO Super-6.. or a Waldorf Iridium.. it just seems even more bizarre
The price is absolutely insane...
250 DOLLARS FOR A PIECE OF LEATHER WITH VELCRO AND FIVE HOLES
Yeah but those holes are like perfectly spaced... And they are made in Malaysia so you know they are paying well.
@@nagchumpalot 🤣
Gaz was the right guy for the job but man, I wish it had been Nick sat next to (the always cool) Tobias. The price reaction shot should would have been even more priceless.
No one said being a hipster was cheap.
It might be a bit expensive for a status that's way passed the sell by date. The age of the hipster curdled sometime in like 2015-16. At least as my experience as an elder millennial Portland hipster.
@@roxyamused i believe you are/were a hipster because I can't understand what you said or what your point was but it sounded intelligent. 😁
But it's the sacrifice they're willing to make 🫡
They increased the internal memory to 256mb. This is the cutting edge of 2002 technology. The future was then!
256 milli bits... Multiply that by 16 and you have a little bit more than a whole byte ;-))
internal memory as in CPU not storage
I think Gaz’s heart skipped a beat when he heard the price.
”No one should pay this price for an OP-1”
The confidence in Tobias' voice when he says "Yeah..." to the price being quite a bit more.
Yeah, that guy is not getting my money.
That's all amazing, but it would be even more amazing if TE release a new firmware for the Op-1 (OG version) with SOME of those updates. Some are pretty much translatable like the clicking knob (Which is already supported on OG Op-1). That would be fair for the loyal owners over all those years.
Pretty sure the word "fair" has long since faded from TE's lips.
There's just too much quality competition at the 2k price point, these guys are living in a dream land.
They sell tones of them, if i liked it 2k$ wouldn't stop me.
Waiting for Berhinger to start cloning teenage engineering products
Please for the love of god fix the auto focus xx
I could sell my digitone, analog four and MPC live and still not have cash enough for this.
"What was it....1999€! 😃😃😉"
40:36 "oKay...so...a li...qUiTe a biT mOrE???...ja?...but äähm...oKaY
👁👄👁"
Gaz had the exact same reaction all of us had about this fucking ridiculous pricetag
the audactiy
“From the company that brought you a limited edition red boom box with a rewind switch for $1000, now introducing the op-1 with new dull knob colors for $2000.” That’s how I imagine the commercials will start lol
For 2k you can get an octatrack or other elektron high end box and do insane stuff with it. Conceptually this just feels… shallow?
When the OP-1 came out, I bought arduino and teensy etc...
Then I finally bought an OP-1, and sold it a year later (same price) to buy an octatrack.
Well I think I'm gonna buy this one... Once you unloaded your money, the thing is much more kind with you than a computer or an octatrack...
Maybe I will sell it again after a while...
I know I was very disapointed with the very poor updates that clearly could have been more frequent
Can't wait for the first one that makes a "Why I bought a OP-1 field" video to try to justify the price, if ever
I think they should always start with the price so we know if we are losing our time or not ;)
if you only cares about material consumption
the price is a joke. for comparison: for 100 euros less you can get the korg nautilus 61: nine synth engines, over 2000 programs, 16 track midi sequencer, 16 track audio recorder, 8-inch touchscreen
That things massive though?
@@briannhinton it is. if you want portability, use a mpc live mk2 which is cheaper and has built-in speakers.
just realized, the OP-1 features a built-in speaker, too. i didn´t know that.
For the sake of the lord get this man an camera with AUTOFOCUS.
Finally someone noticed it , thought I was the only one :S
I mean I ordered on the toilet before I saw anything so clearly it hasn’t impacted sales.
Yea it's really bad
Thank the Lord I'm not the only one who wanted to throw my phone into a wall watching this.
And its so affordable.
i guess it will be once discontinued
@@fz1812 Like the original, which is still being made after 11 years?
@@mgscheue
The differences are not nearly as vast, but I guess that gap did widen enough to have the “entry” op-1 lol.
nyes
@@Leviathan-mj8gi True!
Is this supposed to make the original OP-1 seem more reasonably priced? Because it doesn't. Sorry Gaz I don't want to kill your joy but they are out of their minds.
I'm glad Gaz asked the price right at the end so he could spend most of the video geeking out..
I think Gaz learning the price killed his joy.
Sure, it's a lovely thing, and if you can afford one then power to you. But anyone who actually tries to justify this price, with the world heading for a global recession and musicians struggling to pay bills, is frankly delusional. £249 for the leather pouch accessory tells you everything you need to know.
They are paying respect to the Cow that died for the Cow Grahpic.
@@nagchumpalot ahahaha, good one; must be organic beef
this industry is a joke
@@new.romance999 Nah, just this company. And possibly Roland.
@@gladtobeangry please don't compare Roland to TE lol. Roland still put out some good products for reasonable prices
Hey Behringer, look here! We want this for $399.
Bravo!
No chance, Behringer can only clone devices without patch memory
Hey I work for Behringer and we're already working on it! We're gonna release a teaser next year and it'll probably be in production by 2029
"Instead of 12 seconds, we now have 20 seconds!" well then!
Wait till he sees my TDK Cr90 cassettes. His brain will pour out of his ears.
$2000 and the keyboard still does not support velocity. Also, 95% of the new features could be made available as a paid firmware update for the old model.
the old model is already struggling with its current software lol
Love how the camera has to switch to Macro Mode to focus on the TX6 mixer.
It's a mixer for those who appreciate the little things in life..
I’ll never buy it, but I’m looking forward to all the videos from Red Means Recording doing cool stuff with this thing
@@Hrotti Possible. Can’t say I keep up with him. Wouldn’t rule out him getting a copy for free from TE to play around with, though, since he’s pretty much the best free advertising they had for the original one.
@@Hrotti I think it was due to him growing out of the limitations of the OP1 - That he didn’t feel like he had much left to musically express within its focused paradigm.
I imagine the new OP-1 could open up some new doors and bring him back into the fold, but we’ll see.
He's probably done doing OP-1 videos. Unless TE sponsors something.
He's joined the dark side note and is currently loving the Dirtywave M8 😎
@@AdamsBrew78 Limitations aka did not get enough of that sweet sweet marketing money from TE..
no meme can say it well enough
It's a meme in hardware form
In the world of the $1k Deluge and the $2k M1 Macbook, TE give OP-1 fans almost none of what they have been asking for, make it look much shittier, and up the price between $600-$1200, depending on when you start counting. To quote Ross Perot “Where do I sign up?!”
Yeah for 2k I have a Deluge, a Hydrasynth (admittedly used not new), and a Dreadbox Typhon, and I can't imagine trading for this.
Bleh, the aluminium body does not looks great..
A good piece of kit, but the price is simply rude.
how can a price be rude?
I bought my original OP-1 about a year after its release for about $750; hell even at $1000, I get the purchase. But $2k? I guess if they think they can sell them. It's hard to justify a $800 increase just because of a better DAC and new firmware.
There’s a lot more to it than that. Bluetooth, Increased Storage, Additional Bass Speaker, Apple Certification, etc
@@Rivanni was I saying they were expensive? People need to get off TE about the price.
@@A.D.G no one has to "get off TE about the price." It's completely half baked upgrade.
@@roxyamused More so, it would benefit musicians to not get so bent out of shape about the price. Boycotting a company probably not from your country doesn't make you a hero.
The best thing I ever did was sell that op 1 trash. The guy who bought it tried to update it and bricked it. I felt so bad for him.
Kudos to the camera operator who did a great job among all of the excitement in that room.
Even better maybe with manual focus next time.
Ironically?
I think that was the beautiful Panasonic autofocus in full flight 😅
Does it come with a Fatar keyboard or why the price?
The filming on this made me sick. Just manual focus if the auto focus on your camera sucks this bad.
A designer product with a price tag to match. I'd rather have an SP-404 MK2 and a bunch of synths. Or just a MacBook Air M1. But if you have the cash, wicked.
I'd take an iPad Pro over this thing FOR SURE. The amount of stuff you can do with an ipad these days is awesome. You have an MPE keyboard right on the screen.. Can use both hands to control stuff.. Set up your own touch controllers and stuff. Most hardware is limited compared to an iPad, obviously, as it can run tons of software.. But the OP-1 compared to pretty much anything will come up extremely short.
sp404 mk2 and an ipad that can power it and pass audio and midi is an awesome thing
For half the price, I’d buy it. 😅
It won't be, BUT if it was in the $995.00 range I'd probably pick one up.
Yep, same here.
TEENAGE Engineering but I doubt there'll be single person under 35 buying this thing
40:29
You're welcome! Sheeeshh.. 2k 🥶🥶The OB-X8 lookin like a STEAL rn 😛
Hmmm, what should I get .Sequential Rev 2 + Digitakt or glorified Casio VL-Tone. Definiteley a head scratcher.
One way to manage chip shortages…sell in limited volumes through pricing high….very high….too high?
To be fair, they are made in the best Malaysian factories. No expense spared!
How much moment at 40:30 👀
ok ima need yall to upgrade the camera or something, the AF was painful 😢
Camera man, I'm sure you're doing your best but everything is out of focus
Do I hear an OP-Z field with aluminum body?
and a display, please
Smart guys, compared to their mixer the op-1 field is almost a steal!
There is this interesting bit around 11:20 where Tobias talks about how velocity could be implemented using the accelerometer, very nice !
2k??? Jeezus. If you can afford that you could afford a Kyma system, one of the most powerful synths in the world.
By what merit is it most powerful?
@@HiLoMusic Only really by my own standards hahah - very low level and abstract audio manipulation. It is absurdly powerful tho - especially for a single unit. more powerful than a Mac loaded with 100s of VSTs? ehhhh maybe maybe not - but when it comes to that comparison then the OP-1 doesnt hold up too well either
@@Someone89a haha certainly not even close to the OP-1 - even most elektron boxes have more features than this 2k unit - but hey would you happen to know where I could get more info on this kyma system?
@@HiLoMusic symbolic sounds website! Its essentially a (pretty old) dsp box which you program using the computer - a bit like reaktor or pure data on steroids. Amon Tobin and Richard Devine are heavy users of it. Some of the stuff it can do is utterly insane.
TE: it has midi built in.
Kenton: damnit!!!
“Company finally implements 40 year old technology!”
Can't wait for the Behringer clone of this that costs 50 bucks
Cloning software isn't so simple, it'd need to be reimplemented from scratch
Excellent camera work!
Interesting first look, the price reveal was a bit shocking for sure. Especially since I just got a Korg Minilouge XD for around 400. Don't think I'll upgrade from my first-gen OP-1 anytime soon. Too bad about the constant camera focus problems in the video too, might have been better off just shooting it with an iPhone in this case with constant movement. Thanks for the video though!
Umm... the Korg Minilogue XD is US $630.
@@PatternMusic I got a good deal on a used one, still though for what you get 630 vs 1999 right?
An op-z field might be a thing, if it has all the aluminium it will maybe not bend anymore and if they put high end keys in it, it might finally have no double triggers……. but it will probably cost 1000 and I am not sure if I am willing to pay that much.
Even if we just forgot about the price entirely... it seems a bit limited compared to an MC-101.
Hard to believe there’s over £3000’s worth of stuff on that table. What a complete ripoff. More fool anyone that buys these. More money than sense. I’d say all three of the main Swedish manufacturers - Elektron, Nord and TE - are robbing their customers blind in their own ways.
I can't wait for the OP-Z Field!
hopefully with more reliable buttons, which is the weakest point of the op-z.
@@politesociety these buttons are gonna cost ya though
@@Sweyn_Nero I'd pay for it. Nothing else in it's class.
Loved watching gaz make that masterpiece in real time
are ya gonna cover the Dirtywave m8? sooo hype to see you have a go on it !
Hahaha! 😂
2k?! Wtf are they thinking?
1,2k for this tiny mixer and now this?! Didn’t they get the message through all the memes back when they re-released the OP-1?
TE, YOU’RE TOO F***ING EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU OFFER!! STOP HUFFING GLUE!!
The mixer especially ticks me off… i have slim fingers and already couldn’t use the Roland Boutique SE-02 properly, cause i accidentally bumped into controls, i didn’t want to change.
I don’t know how anyone should possibly use this mixer in any meaningful way…
And then they slap a price tag of 1.2k on it?!
These prices also are excluding tax and import fees…
I mean, i could get a Syntstrom Deluge for about 1.2k including taxes and fees and the Deluge blows the OP-1 completely out of the water!
Have you considered very sharp rubber thimbles? TE sell some in ocher for only £49 per finger
Yeah I'm not sure what is justifying the price. I'm not particularly angry about it as TE's interfaces always thrown me off. But I don't really understand it with all of the competition around now. 10 years ago at the height of the edm / mobile producer boom, maybe. At this point it's just sort of strange, but it's also strange that people are so upset about it 🤷 just don't buy it.
hey tobias... maybe you need to educate yourself about realistic price points for toys
The $2000 price tag suggests to me that they still have a lot of stock of thew OG OP-1 that they'd like to shift without discounting the price.
The moment you came here for: 40:30
Good on you, sir.
Best camera handling I have seen for looong time!!!
Bro the camera is whack. I can barely see the menus :-/
Perhaps it's better for T.E. Tobias to wear reflective shades when someone asks for the price
I'd love someone to be really honest with him and say what we're all thinking.
As a product manager of a software product, pricing something is a detailed strategy of balancing perceived value, experience, return on investment and features. For example, if you buy an iPad, you won't pay for an app that costs nearly as much as the device. So there is a limit to what you will pay. If you buy a laptop, the most you will spend is about a 1/3 of the cost (maximum) for a piece of software, but for an iPad, essentially a computer ( a laptop in different clothes) you'll probably put a limit of £50 on an app, so this is the perceived value. Regardless of the product, it's just how we place value on something.
This is a bit of software running on a dedicated piece of hardware, they could deploy this software on an iPad, which ultimately is future-proofed, as the hardware is upgradeable. But of course, you wouldn't pay $2k for it, you probably wouldn't pay $50 for it. So fair play to them.
But in reality, this is like the emperor's new clothes.
Spending a fraction of the cost of the device it runs on doesn’t make sense. You said it correctly in your opening statement: price can be based on perceived value and ROI. There is plenty of software out there that costs multiples of the machine it runs on and businesses are happy to pay because of the ROI they get.
You’ve really got to love this to pay that.
You dare to question the overlords? Blasphemer! Shun him! Shun him!
Make an OPZ with the same build quality, a screen, more synth engines, sd card slot for sampling and streaming from SD card, midi in and out, more ins and outs, and stereo sampling and you'll have your winner.
But not really because they'll also charge £2000 for that too.
It looks like a great machine and i would like one but if i had 2000 in my hand this OP1 would lose out to an MPC One and i would still have 1500 left. So much rad gear out there to spend the rest of the money on.
Lies
So basically just a slight update and a new coat of paint and a massive price hike then?
Teenage engineering... for people who don't care about cost... like Mac owners then.
Eh this is more like a Gucci Bag owner, Mac pros are worth every penny and mine has lasted 7 years
Depends. The mac studio is a pretty solid machine and I dig the dead simple / closed interface. The Field doesn't even have that so I have no idea what's causing the price to be what it is.
When I was told the price I quickly turned around and walked away fast with a bit of a grin thinking wow some hipster will actually pay for this... Still lovely Cow graphic.
Wow, velocity sensitivity is a possibility?
Time-stamp?
@@ZeroKool337 11:05
if they are serious about the price, all I can say is it's a scam. You can buy 2 brand new Roland MC 707s for 2k, and there are many different machines out there from Elektron, Akai, Polyend , don't need to mention the second hand market
This looks great. Overpriced by a lot but great.
It’s a little disconcerting how many times the word “same” is used when comparing to the original, considering the price jump here, but multiple tapes/reels is awesome.
For those whining about price
The OP-1 came out in 2011. It was Teenage Engineering's first synth and is the long runing flagship of the company. The original OP-1 has held and even gained value a few times If anything over those years as some synths do usualy because supply/demand . People also whined about the price of it when it launched compared to other gear. That's part of the reason Teenage Engineering also offered so many affordable pocket synths packed with features and power so everyone can have fun on any budget. The economy is at a different place now however, electronic components cost more, services and fees are more, inflation hits everything and a small synth company is no more immune to it than anyone else. People wanted a new OP-1 flagship and here it is. like the OP-1, I suspect the Field will hold its value and maintain its status as the new flagship for Teenage Engineering for years to come and the same group that were salty at the price of the first one and this one will always be salty and never satisfied.
P.S. original OP price increase in 2018-19 when the company was considering ceasing production was due to Amoled display needing new maker, it's new sourcing and the currency conversion for it, recoding of the new screen display, a redesign for its mounting so new component would fit, new tooling, etc. Now imagine that among other things while designing a new synth during a global shortage of components and pandemic and its not hard to understand how and why the price is where it's at for it. Teenage Engineering is still a relatively small company and doesn't have some of the sources or contracts available like other larger companies out there that can allow them to release things for less. If you managed to make it this far congrats you now know more about the reason for the new price than 99% of people out there currently seething at a product they didn't buy the first time around
The colors are kinda lame which makes it look more serious. Def prefer the lively colors on the original.
Agree they are very dull
In a world where a svelte monster like the Polyend Play is $799, this thing is laughable. And I say that as an early adopter of the original version over 10 years ago.
Agreed
Stereo samples seem to cost the earth this year.
A Monster?
@@doverbeachxyz It's a little light on modulation and sample fuckery, but it does a lot. And a lot cheaper. So yes.
I guess the original will no longer become a collectable item.
Sooooo, literally the price of a new Apple laptop?
Damn I am feeling like an junk wanna to watch all the new OP-1 field videos. I was in the same mode when I find out of the Old OP-1 2017.
Nice sweet lil review. I am looking forward of more. Thanks for the share.
Tobias is so incredibly unprepared. I hope this is not something rushed… I‘ll wait until people can give us more feedback. In the meantime, I‘ll have to sell a ton of equipment to be able to afford this. 😅
They've been beta testing it with external testers for at least the past six months. Initial impression doesn't seem like it was rushed. (11 years between hardware revisions doesn't seem like a rush to me. :)
@@JasonMauer Well said. I hope you are right! Nonetheless, I‘m surprised Tobias couldn’t really answer quite a lot of the questions asked.
Do yourself a favour and get something else - say the new polyend play and an Octatrack.
I have two op1s but the price for such little innovation of the new one, nah.
I was an op1 fanboy and they are great for mobile music - but watch last week's badgear channel, it's og op1 and he doesn't enjoy using it for actually making tunes (in one week).
Get this man in front of some bongos
I could buy a DSI synth for 2k...
Hi, thanks for the demo, but what about patterns and projetcs ? Can we now store multiples projects or patterns like with opZ ?
There are multiple projects now, yes
Tack så mycket.