Why NO ONE Plays: Kindred | League of Legends
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- Next episode of Why No One Plays features Kindred, the only marksman jungler in the game!
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"Why no one plays Kindred"
Kindred main: Coz they're suck :v
Hahaha
hi, kindred main here. ignite is better than flash :3
@@hostileburner7564 I feel the same way(also a kindred main)
Reppin the kindred bois
Same here
You forgot kindred's secret passive that is when you pick kindred the enemy team will automatically love their jungler and help him everytime while your team will basically ignore you
it causes them to have shit macro and prioritize your marks over objectives, it’s why I play kindred
lmao, so true
Non-junglers see an objective apart from dragon and topside pop up on the map and unga-bunga macro brain fart collapse and actually ward their jungle where the marks are. Luckily on the flipside it means as a kindred main you know exactly where they end up pathing towards
And if you blind pick you get 5/5 counter picked… if enemy picks Kindred my team doesn’t care and we end with no cc, no prio…
damn tha t’as fuking true
Even though I could never play kindred, they are without a doubt the most aesthetically pleasing champs with the coolest character concept imo
They are the same case as sol
I Dont know why but riot always gives the cool kits to the human champs rather than these cool characters
@@alecboco8809 I don't like As Sol's design tbh, just the way he looks in his splash and the model. I don't like the giant head and the weird condom body, and his aesthetic is kind of niche in the same way as Ivern.
@@DoziPNG they did the model that way to make him a fitting playable charater making his body longer or bigger increases the risk of being easily hit by enemy skill shots. Plus the condom thing you mention is they want to make him ethireal and according to lore his body is not phisycally real which explains why his tail looks transparent and its also a way for the character to visually communicate with players that his transparent part cannot be hit by any attacks
@@DoziPNG his tue look cannot be fully rendered because of league's old engine that cannot handle more polygons but his preview model in wildrift is better thou his head is less bigger and his body is a more masculine there
Kindred is also one of the only champs where your team makes it harder for you to play the game by playing the game. You mark someone and your team scoops it up before you have a chance to fart in their general direction and you've been robbed of power because your team successfully killed someone quickly.
As a kindred main I'll say
OMFG THATS SO FUCKING TRUEEEEEEE
Also that fricking cd... Isn't it like 2 minutes?
Or they take the marked camp without waiting for you to assist, that hurts worse cuz a camp is barely worth any xp or gold anymore.
Oh yeah. And u can't even seriously
blame them cause this is counter intuitive mechanics. And u'ĺl just end up being slow, weak and toxic to others if you ever show them ur frustration
@@lemondruid2783 we are talking about allies, not enemies
“Only viable marksman jungler”
Ever heard of jhingle?
Jhin is everything
Rat jungle is pretty fun
It's Jhin Xao
I'm single therefore i must go Jhingle
lol rtb
One really depressing thing is that kindred's thing is getting a lot of range but Senna gets better stats and more range faster and she doesn't even need to work hard for her stacks.
I fucking hate senna with a burning passion. Her range increase is ao dumb. Pluabhow it couples with her q. And her q heals her and all allies in the range while also damaging all enemie unita in range WHILE collecting souls. All in one ability. That dcales with her attack range.
Riot really fucked up with her q and passive, the rest is fine.
@@Shaathurray Senna with 1 Q in early game heals more than Yuumi with 3 E. And Senna's Q have a lower mana cost ! How stupid this is.
Senna is the best botlaner in the entire game. She has everything a botlaner would love to have. The only counter to her is hard engage, mobility, or sharp burst. All the things that most botlaners don't have at least until mid game. By then, Senna is rolling all over her keyboard to kill you.
I dunno how senna used to be, but as of now I play her in support.
And as of now, she has probably the slowest attack speed in the game. You can literally pop her before she shoots you twice.
Imo Senna is primarily too strong because she has the damage of an ADC with the utility of a support (AoE root, shields, and heals). The problem is that you can't nerf her too much without making her unviable for one of her roles, and if you try to nerf her evenly for both, you put her in an awkward state where she's outclassed in both roles.
This felt like a compliment lmao.
It sort of is :o
We are a nobody
can agree
Fuck you
@@MisterPoro smd
I love Kindred but there is one reason I never play them. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE on the enemy team will actively go out of their way to shut you down, even more than a yi. One game I played Kindred the toplane fiora actively lost top to deny my bottom scuttle crab and got collapsed on. And it's not just when I play kindred. Another game I played mid our kindred jungler got three man collapsed on the top first scuttle EVEN when me and my friend toplane went to cover the Kindred and 2 v 3ed. It became a game of protect Mr President because of how hard the enemy team was focused on hunting them. It's actually silly so I'd rather just play yi at that point. At least I will out heal everyone and be untargetable.
i see what you mean about the fuck everything just dont let kindred get her mark
happened to me a couple of times where bot and mid collapse on a scuttle with jg and its a 1v4 and yeah not very cool
i guess its because the mark appears for everyone and so its like "oh cool lemme hunt squishi lamb adc" instead of using vision to track jg
Listen, I am 220k kindred main, and I know ur struggle, but when started playing irelia bc she's fun(still a kindred main btw) nothing hurts my mental more than knowing I would be beatin' by my favorite champ, so I would go out of my way to target kindred every game, it's just a superiority complex whenever I see this champ on the enemy team
In this case you need to not take that scuttle and start to manipulate the mark system. So if you know they are going to collapses on the current mark ward it so you know the time. From that point wait 40 sec and clear the second suttle if at this point you didn't get one at this point. During that time you can take the raptors/ gromp to start the mark manipulation effect and make sure you keep a pink in the other enemy jungle. Somewhere like blue bush or the bush near wolves for raptors and red buff or just behind it from gromp. She is a huge mind game champ. So learning so of her most insane details make her so much more viable as a champ.
Hmm, a pretty easy solution to this is that the passive and you can place two marks at a time, but only your team will see which mark is the real one. This way you could decieve people esier by using them and wouldnt suffer from that collapse so often, because the enemy doesnt know if they are camping the real mark.
@@IPlayKindred man, thats pretty sad. I main taliyah and rell but I'd never ruin other people's games just because I think I'm special. I can appreciate other people enjoying characters I like.
Not gonna lie, a good kindred is one of the scariest things you’ll find in the jungle
Not gonna lie good Rengar and Kha'zix are scariest things in the jungle.
@@aatroxtheworldender933 ngl a good kindred is scary , bc they ban the only thing that counters kindred, kha, rengar isn't that bad.
A good jungler is the scariest thing you find in the jungle. A large jungle diff is by far the most meaningful predictor of who'll win the game. It's at the point where I don't think the jungle position should be in the autofill pool at all. A competent jungle main vs an autofill is 15-20 min surrender almost every time.
@@Rageniry i agree, but maybe it will be less impactful with the upcoming nerfs, junglers willl snowball harder.
@@aatroxtheworldender933 I heard some say that the new changes will actually make ganker junglers want to gank even more and erase farming junglers out of the game.
ok wtf, never heard of this channel before and randomly got this in my feed, clicked on it and instantly get called out in the intro. like I'm literally a singed onetrick turned kindred onetrick, like what are the fricking chances??
Yeah that’s right I’m onto you!
For me my least favorite thing about kindred is how long her mark takes to activate on a champ. There have been an uncountable amount of times that I mark gank kill and don't get a stack because OH, you ganked too early and your mark didn't activate too bad. that and the fact you need 4 marks for the first range increase.
Idc about the 4 marks.. just since when I see the mark pop up (in a full circle) I'm like "oh I can kill him" and no marks xD
10 sec is too much xD
@@Nizazel I can agree with that. I wouldn't care I think about the four marks so much if it wasn't so long for a mark to activate that I basically just have to leave it on and hope I eventually kill the person
@@Nizazel it is actually 8 seconds But still kinda hard to use
i second this
if they made that quicker stacks gain wouldn't be a problem
well, good thing that i dont have the problem as the adc
A friend of mine started playing league, really loved kindred and didnt rest until he had enough Blue Essence to buy her. Everybody discouraged him from playing kindred since she was difficult, I however did not. I taught him how to jungle as his first role and let me tell you, his first games were terribly frustating, it was damn awful. Even though he was struggling, In the end of a week he had a solid understanding of priority, vision control, map araweness and objective control. When he started trying out other champs the results were very clear. Syndra? Too easy. Aphelios? Not that bad. Zyra? Not a challenge. Zyra especially shocked me, considering how well you need to position with her long cast times. Kindred is the best champion for learning how to think league, as long as you are fine with negative reinforcement.
Imagine playing a squishy and (most) punishable character and having to force to respect other characters is the best way to learn. Like whenever you want to be greedy, you will have a 0-12 flashback and creates a second thought on the back of your mind
bro I had bsaically the same experience playing league as ur frined, but with TH-cam guides instead of friends already playing
I would reccomend anyone just play things they think are cool instead of playing Champs they can do good on, if you have more fun playing kindred and Lee Sin then you would Yi or Warwick go for it, if your goal isn't to climb to challenger just play thr cool shit it makes the game more funn
I miss being raised as Poppy Mid-lane back in the Chaos Days. Was so much fun.
I feel like it would be positive punishment instead of negative reinforcement. Since its more about adding all of the suffering through games to stop bad behavior. Unless you mean the time you spend dead is taking away to reinforce the good ones.
Psych classes have broken me
I'm a M7 Kindred main that goes positive on the champ almost every game and after watching this video I can definitively say I have never had my ego stroked so much.
Same
Not to hate on you or anything, but mastery 7 and kd doesn't mean anything. I always have a positive kd in each and every games even games that end at 15 min with a loss but it doesn't mean i've played well. So the fact that you are 'misunderstanding' something so basic makes me doubt your actual skill at the game/on the champ.
i only play kindred at bot so it isnt that easy to get r7
@@nitram.9621
"not to hate on you"
"yeah, you probably suck at playing the character and the game"
If you're going to be a bitch, at least own it and be upfront instead of the flip-floppy "no offense, BUT" approach lmao.
@@nitram.9621 "No offense" ya ok. Saying no offense and the straight up insulting a person makes me doubt your intelligence.
Title “how to summon all kindred mains to one video”. Also as a M7 kindred the reason I don’t play her (as much anymore) is anxiety to do good with how flame heavy jungle can be. To be quite honest I’ve almost hung up the ole smite spell completely. Besides all that the video was wonderful and it’s nice to see someone take such a deep dive into your main, and articulate some of your favorite and most frustrating parts with your champ.
Like moths to a flame, YOU FELL FOR MY TRAP CARD >:D
try kindred botlane
just play her as an adc
I feel this. Much as I love Kindred, mid accomplishes a similar role without everyone flaming you 4 mins in... Usually... Sometimes... Ok never.
i just hate when the teammates flame yo whether or not you used your ult, like come on, play the champ. also like, if you're going to die and ult, they throw all the cc and if you know you'll die but he tf will come out good and don't ult, they still ping you. there's no in between.
A kindred with 10 stacks at minute 20 is unstoppable...
Yi: _o kawaii kotto_
A master yi that doesn't die by 20 min is unstoppable :^)
Had a game where a Yi and I as Kindred both had 20 kills. I won cause lifesteal, Runaans, and Collector.
I don't know but Kindred looks like he can kill yi before he can do anything if he got enough stacks
@@papacheikhndiaye6026 they*
@@papacheikhndiaye6026 they* it’s a female and a male (lamb and wolf)
it's a champion that requires alot of skill and actual strategy and thinking. in all honesty, when you hear that's hard to play her, they ain't lying. just like lamb has hips that don't lie
I appreciate the troubles you went through just to deliver a thicc joke.
Good joke m8. Good one
I was stomping with a kindred one game yesterday, flashed my mastery twice and enemy PANTHEON support said “imagine spamming m7 on a no skill champ” looool
You had me till the end lmao
@@junior_3676 playing PANTHEON lol
You nailed it, playing Kindred is indeed like playing on hard mode while the other players are on normal mode XD
A few things as an avid Kindred player: the fixes you propoosed would break her early clear making her such a powerhouse early she would be able to full clear with ease while keeping pace with the enemy jungler, who may not be even doing the same. She is really strong and your tweeks will invalidate her stacking mechanic.
She is really strong early and she is and has exselent skirmishing at lv's 3-5, being able to take on allot of opponents. I agree with your points that she asks allot of soomebody that would take up the role in the first place but: kiting camps, tracking the enemy jungler and looking after your team are things that every jungler has to do, not only Kindred. She may be demanding but I would argue that Graves, even if you put him with the other Fighters, demands more of the player playing him at every elo above silver to perform at the same rate as Kindred. The demand for you team to pick around you, if you first pick is real and I agree with you there.
The trap of fishing for marks is old and I myself have fallen for it many times while I was learning her, but Kindred do not require their stacks to function in the early game. They can be a snowballing early game jungler as much as any other, but she does only bring damage and light utility in her basic spells. Kindred's stacks most of the time are simply a byproduct of a good overall performance with the champion, as you need to invade when ahead and counter jungle with every champion that fills the role if you are able to.
TLDR: Kindred are hard as they punish you much harshly for not having down the fundamentals that every jungler demands, still the mechanical skill required to pilot them is not as high as described and they are not the only punishing jungler. She is meant to break early games open and the scaling is icing on top if the game happens to drag on.
Amazing video, keep up the amazing work.
Found your channel recently and am really interested in what you do here.
So basically, we just don’t have brains big enough to use kindred
@@infinitedark6158 Pretty much. You must learn how to path correctly and smartly as a jungler before even playing her.
I mean while I agree with some of your points Kindred more so than any other jungler is match dependant, other junglers can still work with a bad matchup thanks to their utility where as if Kindred falls behind she stays behind, she has very few catchup mechanics and has such poor stats that at any point you make a mistake you basically become useless.
Legitimately her base stats are awful, and without stacks she can be blown to bits by anyone that sneezes in her general direction. Her only great quality is her range, which can help her win early game but its not as much of an advantage as you would think. Graves at the very least becomes a bit durable with his armour stacking, Kindred has to panic R and hope she can outduel her opponent when its finished.
@@yammoto148 You are right on all of those points, that is why I specifically mentioned lvs 3 - 5 as it's right after she has all of her spells, before the opponent will have their significantly better for duals Ultimate and before her awful Adc scaling stats catch up to her. She does need her stacks badly after that, but as the game progresses you generally clear fast enough so that you don't end up in many 1v1s, and more skirmishes.
The difference between a good kindred, and a bad kindred is how many marks they need to function properly. 10 marks at 20 minutes is perfect.
If you can manage 10-15 by 30+ you are doing great.
A lot of people will attempt to group for dragon. You can easy swap for baron, or vice versa if there's a mark. Any marks past 8 makes you better, and better. About 5-8 puts you on par with a normal carry. 10-12 with 2 items makes you a hyper carry with 3 items.
I feel like a good change for kindred is to let her first mark or two be in her own jungle so she can at BARE MINIMUM have a more consistent time getting off the ground.
You can get up to the fourth mark on scuttles, it is not that hard ^^
@@axelzenone Both of which require Kindred to risk being murdered by the entire enemy team.
maybe making the first marks invisible to the ennemy team ?
@@Granolax maybe give her advanced warning on where they are going to spawn
Idk i am a kindred one trick and i dont feel like she needs a buff at all
Story time. When I started league, I thought kindred looked really cool so I picked her up.
You know what happened. New player trying to play jungle trying to play kindred.
Must have been painfull, my first jungler ATM is eve..but i do have a one trick that helps me get used to jungle
Like myself just right now xD
I know its masochistic but I really like her
Hey I learned jungle with kindred when I started playing in 2015.
Same. I'm introduced to league by Kindred. She have very unique icon and that's it. And I regretted it afterwards
The biggest change that needs to happen for kindred is one simple thing. The enemies need to not see your jungle camp marks. Its incredibly punishing when the whole enemy team knows one of your goals and how to react. Playing anything plat or above will result in rotates and so you just need to abandon your camp marks 90% of the time
that is an instersting opinion,not gonna lie
@@stergioss1345 how about a grace period of like 30 seconds before it appears to everyone else, or simply not having them on the map?
@@jacobb5484 itd work but id bet youd need to figure out how to balance em
this, I'd argue champ marks too.. in order to get your stacks you basically need to tell the team that you're coming for them well in advance..
@@levinium same thing with eve tbh, an assassin that tells you they're coming
Kindred, alongside Aurelion Sol and Taliyah, is yet another one of those "I love you so much and I refuse to play you" champs
I mean I feel like most people who pick up Veigar first do so entirely because of his passive, it's only after a game or two that you realize that the ragecage is the real MVP of his kit.
My very first game of LoL I ran into a Veigar and immediately called BS on that cage. The rest of his kit is just icing in the cake. Terrible design IMO; it feels downright unfair.
@@distraction2803 you still have room to dodge his shit, plus you have flash. He’s honestly quite easy to counter
@@distraction2803 *laughs in season 1 cage with zero telegraph*
@@ConcoGamingPH His cage is still batshit absurd in TFs and a good veigar will land it on you easily if you don't have flash up.
I can't believe rito put OP thresh ult and "click button to kill adc with targetable ult" on one champ.
If I remember correctly, Riot said multiple times that they weren't happy with how Kindred came to be and that it was too much lamb and too little wolf. Then again they say this about a lot of champions but do nothing about it, nah better release 6 new abominations each year
Well lamb was supposed to literally shoot wolf forward to bite the target in the concept art. I think that would have been cooler.
and have like at least 1 dash and cc in EVERY champ.
Maybe it would have been like a 2-form champ, specifically like old Quinn, who basically switched from ADC into some kind of Duelist/Assassin.
With both forms having at least one ability that uses the other form (like current Kindred E). Give wolf the dash, Give lamb the execute, etc etc.
I think that'd be neat.
They could have made it's ult different so its wolf related, honestly its ult doesn't feel right with his moveset, maybe just do something like gnar. Swap limb and wolf, make them 15% faster and change all the attacks into its melee equivalent
@@wedmunds that's actually the e ability
Why is it the enemy gets to know everything? They get to know who you've marked and the jungle camps marked.
When somebody dies on the map, even if you haven't selected a target or were not a part of the kill, your passive turns off and you cannot select a target for a small bit of time.
There is a cooldown to the passive itself, meaning that even if you perfectly kill somebody the second you mark them you still have to wait.
With cards stacked against you, why is the design this way? You almost exclusively cannot go and be a laner, so why is it that your existence in the jungle is made to be this uphill battle where even when you are ahead your information is still telegraphed to the enemy? Unless you have reliable teammates, the enemy team can just be semi-aware and stop you. Top lanes will take krugs/gromps/scuttles just so you don't get a mark. It's not even just the enemy jungler who can fuck you over. What is your teammate to do? Stand at the camp and protect it for you?
I truly do not believe that the enemy should have both your personal mark information and the random jungle camp information as well.
What if an enemy stealing your mark transferred the mark to them temporarily....
@@sethb3090 This is probably my favourite idea ive heard yet. just making the marks not visible to enemies would make them broken af. But this change is really interesting. That way i wont still be upset when viego smites my scuttle but i still manage to kill him.
I think a fun change is how the enemy team sees which camp has been marked! I think it’d be good if the enemy saw three potential marked camps rather than the real one.
Kindred is a weird champ. Coming from a kindred main most of their problems come from build path. They are described as a marks man jungled and it’s a trap thinking that since their release their best build has been an amalgamation of bruiser and marksman items making their build very varied per game but takes a lot of game knowledge to know what to buy.
This.
Most people go for Shieldbow and Galeforce, meanwhile I'm sitting on my Trinity + Colector build early snowballing games.
i go for kraken-stormrazor-ie kindred bot
@@caprisces6139 is it still viable tho??? Cuz the -10 AD nerf was pretty rough imo
@@caprisces6139 shieldbow navori
Dude kindred have A lot viable Builds. all adc items and lot of bruiser items are viable. She can greatly adapt to everysituation. Tank shreder, On hit, galeforce collector ie. Kraken botrk cleaver. Kraken hurraicane ie into Melee comps. Like so Many viable items u can go
I main kindred as an adc. Her skill ceiling is extremely high but she’s an absolute monster that really makes the word carry in adc fit
The issues start to crop up at 2:23 when u start discussing their scaling. The origin of that issue is that Kindreds abilities have anti-synergy against champs. Their Q gains cdr while W is active but W deactivates when you chase a champ outside Ws radius. W deals current job dmg which would encourage you to engage with Q with it, but it's actually E that provides the CC needed at the beginning of a gank. However E's final proc deals missing health which encourages using it to finish a fight, and worst Q and W do not help stack E. Their passive encourages counter jungling without on-comand single target burst to act as a safety smite, hard cc, nor any sort scouting mechanic. Their kit is kinda a mess with conflicting goals
Kindred is actually pretty beast at botlane. I got my mastery 7 on them because of it. Your early game damage with press the attack combined with your "E" instantly deletes your opponent. Your marks are also pretty consistent since you will cycle your mark with the enemy support and adc. The "w" passive also acts like a fleet footwork without the movespeed which boosts your survivability. The only downside is if you can't get ahead enough you will lose to heavy late game ADCs like jhin and vayne
This is true! I duoed a bit a while back with a guy who hadn’t played for a while, and he was hooked on the idea of Kindred ADC. So we played a few games and I wouldn’t say it was top tier, but it certainly wasn’t bad! Quite fun!
I tried this yesterday and i got absolutely stomped by a Cait/Senna duo because i was getting constantly outranged by everything they did so there is that for a counter I suppose.
@@willa1018 i mean cait/senna duos stomp me by outranging everything i do when i play normal adcs
I love Kindred and everything about them, but "playing the game on hard mode while everyone else chose normal difficulty" sounds about right. I have to do so many things right and have the stars align to have a team giving me backup, whereas the enemy just picks Jax or Rammus jungle and has roughly the same impact simply by walking at me and pressing their button whenever they see me. I love that getting marks feels meaningful, but at the same time I'm looking at a champion like Senna, who starts out at higher attack range, has an easier time collecting stacks, gets more bonus range from those stacks, additionally also gains ad, crit and lifesteal from those stacks and unlike me doesn't stop gaining more range at a certain point either. It's like those two champions are from completely different games.
I entered the game because I love Kindred and have been playing them main as a new player
And watching this video, I will give a resounding "yes, this."
One of my big things is the big things I struggle with is how the enemy gets to know where your jungle marks are, and they're always inside of the enemy jungle. Their ability to see those marks makes them totally crash in on those areas to deny you your marks, and they almost always have an advantage on getting to them first because it's...in *their* jungle.
I feel like something that'd make them a bit more forgiving to play is having a few of the marks appears in *your* jungle. You still have to hunt them down, and you're still dependent on your marks, but it just means every now and then you get the advantage on getting to your mark before the enemy jungler. Or maybe potentially give increased move speed while moving towards your mark (like with Soraka towards low health allies).
As it is now feels soooooo so tilted *against* Kindred. You're completely dependent on the marks to function, and the marks are specifically encourage a pure-aggressive playstyle to invade the enemy jungle, which Kindred is too squishy to survive if they come across anyone, at least early on before they can burst the enemy enough to come out on top. They have great wall-jumping ability, but I've found most champions in the jungle have lunge and CC type stuff that locks me in place and squishes me like a bug. I joke to my friends "once I see a champion on my screen, it's already too late."
Kindred is what I refer to as bad "artificial" difficulty. Their challenge doesn't overtly come from a wise use of your skillset and the skills being hard to use. Quite the opposite on that front with Kindred, really, I think their actual toolkit is very good and easy to apply. No, the difficulty comes from an unfair slant against them as a champion mechanically. The fundamental things to make them work are gatekept behind a passive fueled by stacks that are obscenely easy for your enemy to deny you.
Playing against a Kindred as a jungler, it is *so* easy to just get to their mark before their do, kill that camp, and then slide back to ganking. Maybe even run into them and lock them down with a CC to seal their fate.
The fact that I'm a very new player and can *easily* shut down a champion's route to basic viability is...well I think that speaks volumes.
The fact that youre a new player is why this is a skill issue. You first observe the enemy team and the enemy jungler's attitude towards your mark. They are either hell bent on getting your marks, or just ignore it. Either way, it gives you the knowledge of what theyre going to do, and you can do SO MUCH with that information. A common example is an enemy jungler who prioritizes your marks. When your mark spawns you just gank the lane and clear the camps opposite to it. This works EVERY TIME.
@@user-pe4if1xy2c No longer a new player, as it's been 2 years, and I still think this.
Enemies can change up prioritizing the marks. They can let you have one, take another, mix and match, often times based on how close they already were to it.
A support who isn't an idiot can ward according to the mark placement. If the mark is on the botlane side you easily ward it. If it's on toplane side, you deep ward the bot jungle to know if Kindred is there or going up top.
Support and ADC can also push the lane and go that particular mark if the jungler isn't close, and Kindred isn't going to stand a chance in the 2v1 and less likely to get help because you crashed the wave.
Imo Kindred needs something that gives some sort of advantage in the pursuit of a mark, like in my original comment, greater movespeed towards a marked target, something like Warwick (though toned down a bit, don't wanna give too much advantage).
While now that I'm more informed as a player I see more of the nuance to Kindred's kit and the pursuit of marks, I still stand by their mark system being too heavily skewed against them and their gameplay not facilitating mark hunting in an engaging and rewarding way.
1. Her Q could lock in target in the beggining of the cast, right now if she loose vision in the middle of the Q no arrows are shot
2. Her W vision could be way better.
3. Her E could mark and give vision even in bushs
Those could be some quality of life buffs imo
This is absolutely right. I pick Kindred on Aram and I feel like an absolute beast, unkillable and with so much damage. Yet on the rift, every time I pick him ( I have like 11 games) I get an enormous surge of anxiety. I feel like literally everyone can kill me and getting marks is impossible.
And to think: I'm a newbie Supp main who is learning JNG with Kindred.
I like playing things on hard mode...
Same
"play who you think is cool" they said
Kindred was my first champ. gogo!
I installeg league 3 days ago and immediately bought kindred since I love their artwork. Kinda difficult to get into the jungle role this early but playing them is so much fun!
so hows it going now
@@unimportantname6089 bro same story happened to me kindred forced me to learn what kiting was and overall made me a better player cause it taught me good mechanics and made me think of ways to take advantage of a situation
wha happen
I feel like a good way to fix this problem is to allow Wolf to get stacks from their own jungle monsters if Kindred doesn't have a lot of stacks after a certain amount of time.
Honestly just lower the cooldown timer on re-marking champions and also lower the timer on marking enemies, waiting 15s before you can kill them gives them enough time to run away.
I wish I could play Kindred, her thighs are built different. Sadly I am a typical bronzie who is easily stressed by the structure of the game and the mechanics of fighting in general, right clicking and using abilities in correct order and all that. Consequently I need easy champs like Fizz to ensure I am not overwhelmed (most humans learn best under a moderated, healthy level of stress).
you can just start playing and don't think about it too much lol. I started playing kindred since level 13 just bc I liked the champ design and voicelines :/
Why would you limit yourself not playing a videogame character? How and when did everyone became so sicko with this game? 😆😆😆😆
@@UmDevoto @xuan an le I don't think you understand how easily stressed I am. If I try to play difficult characters, I get excited, very emotionally attached. And then I disappoint myself, over and over, as the game goes on, because I am losing, regardless of the champion being cool or difficult, I am losing, I hate this sensation of weakness, inferiority. Then I stop playing the champ completely. A bunch of time wasted getting angry at myself, at my team, whatever. It's just not worth it to play difficult characters because I struggle with setting myself expectations, no matter how many times I prove to myself that I'm bronze, I'll subconsciously put this unrealistic goal for myself like "I'll be good at Kindred within 10 games" or something like that. Like I mentioned in my original comment, it's a bit personal for me to avoid hard champions, I only succeed in very low stress environments, otherwise I get emotionally and mentally drained
@@VigilTheProtogen I totally get it. Exact same for me /:
I started playing Kindred because I thought they were cool and I liked their design, but after a few games with them, I'm just disgusted with how bad I am. I was angry at myself, and so was my team. I went back to playing support, suits me better.
@@VigilTheProtogen Yo, ex league player and Kindred main here. Do not limit yourself and play whatever you like. If you limit yourself, you limit your progress. As for loosing, it will happen wether you do your best or not. The only thing what you can do is to learn with each game you play. I started from bronze 2 and eventually got to platinum 1. I was also top 10 kindred player in EUNE for a period. Its a quite fun champ and you can kick some ass if you master it. In conclusion: Play for learning and improving and with that, you will never truly lose.
kindred is completely fine, they are just very hard to play. i made a mistake choosing them as my first ever jungler but i had a break and learned jg with lillia, then i came back to kindred when i had some picture of jungle and started learning the champion itself. it is hard but rewarding :D and im glad i didnt give up and im still getting better ^^
The Venn diagram of Lillia players and Kindred players is a circle.
@@IoFoxdale true true
@@IoFoxdale Don't call me out like that.
omg i'm also planning to main lillia and kindred in jg. been trying kindred bot and they're so fun to play
Haven't even watched the video but In summery? Map awareness and basic logic. Stare at the map and it'll flat out tell you where The Kindred are most likely going to go next to get the stacks they need. This includes the scuttle that they get after their first camp. Continue to apply this for the remainder of the game to make even Death cry Tears of The Goddess.
Not a bad guess :)
@@VarsVerum
Thanks. It's what I've learned from personal experience myself. Sadly no one uses either nowadays....
That works until you play against a Kindred with solid jungle tracking. I get a ton of free dragons and rift heralds by baiting one of my marks in the opposite side of the map
Just gotta say, thanks for referring to Kindred as them and not just "her" becauae they're technically two individuals.
technicaly. but if you play her you soon realize the champ is just the lamb, wolf is there just to give you cd on q and have a nice animation on third auto on E, he doesn't count
It still weird riot cannon is that kindred is a "she"
I think you also should do a series Like: Why everyone plays xyz (e.g. Akali, although she has a really Bad wr
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@@VarsVerum oh lol sorry. I was completely new on this Channel and was Happy to find this one in my recommendations
@@Just_a_Teddy it’s being recommended?! :O
@@VarsVerum ye, and I immediately subbed :)
@@Just_a_Teddy :D
This is a really good video man!
And I don't know about the intro in other videos, but I thought it was great, you really gave a good explanation of the jungle and marksman position before you began explaining about Kindred
Glad you enjoyed watching! :D
Really enjoyed the video! Good quality and very informative! Not just critiquing the champ but also giving suggestions on them, really like the format. Subbed
Glad you enjoyed and welcome! Consider checking out my other WNOP videos :)
Jankos: Am I a joke to you?
Also, the thumbnails you make look really good!
Keep it up!
They aren't made by me! They're made by my good friend Jake :) He's been piloting my "front of house" for the past half decade!
As a 500k kindred, I think you are heavily underestimating their early game strength and somewhat overestimating their reliance on marks. Kindred is an above average early game duelist with low cd Q and kiting around walls. In most games 4 marks by 10-15 mins is sufficient not to be useless and 7 allows you to carry. Four marks allows you to not explicitly play around stacks and 7 means you don't have to think about them except in convenience.
Remember that this was made over a year ago, and kindred received some buffs shortly after the release of the video
@@VarsVerum unfortunately that doesn't really hold up. Last year's buffs were inconsequential for kindred's early game dueling and securing marks pre 10 mins. Their mid game remains the weaker portion.
7:44 "Primordial Evil" lol
That sounds like a badass way to rename it for a monstrous skin
Remove the cd on each champ you can mark so you can mark down one feeder repeatedly.
That would be op
@@gamingyoshi2280 Chogath and many other stacking champ can also do that, why not Kindred?
@@ohlookitisacat7404 because kindreds stacks are way more powerfull
@@gamingyoshi2280 Chogath stack at 12 allowed him to one shot adc with Ult while being a tanky mofo. Kindred barely get to deal dmg and a range that may or may not help at all because she is still squishy.
Yea, 250 at 25 stacks are good but how many match do you see a Kindred get 25 marks? That's like a 2 hours game.
@@ohlookitisacat7404 You're forgetting about her abilities and item synergies, plus Cho'Gath can be stopped with cc and better positioning. If you're unironically suggesting this, it would undoubtedly make her way too strong.
I love their lore and voices, I really hoped to eventually play them.
literally happened 6 hours with my friend :
Me : "yo i marked jax dont kill him
Friend : Ok *kills him*
Me : fam tf
Platinum one trick Kindred there.
Picking kindred in duo queues and being provided someone you can trust in, play around a half side of the map, with the synergies and backup you need is something that makes Kindred an excessively strong pick. And then, there are moment my premade is off, and I decide to queue up alone.
THAT is basically flipping a coin and pray I'll have what it takes in my games to pop off. Thus leading to throwing LPs away most of the time.
After investing like 3500+ games in the champs (playing them since day 1, before and after rework on passive) I can probably say I master the passive system, I can track where the next marks are gonna spawn, I know who and when to mark people, I know my damage from minute 1 to the last minute, I know what lanes and laners I can gank depending on picks and lane status, when to go for objective or invades. But it's not always enough to perform well in my games. Playing Kindred makes me equally feel like I'm being the hunter, and the prey. Enemies will always be there to contest any mark at any moment, but no matter how many times I ping, even in advance, where I'll need assistance people will nearly always ignore me. They have no idea what my champ does and require in game, sometimes I've even seen high platinum people flash out of my ult after being cast for 2 seconds cause they'd get low inside.
Playing Kindred is not like playing Dark Souls and rely only on "gitting gud". Your own or your team's macro will ruin more often than your gameplay will.
And still I keep picking them in every game, solo, duo, flex, just because I fucking love how it feels when you get to the point you can three shot priority targets. Or snowballing to the point I have 3 levels and one and a half item on the enemy jungle main that I spent half game invading and solo killing with little to no counterplay. Or when I fed my ass off, and carry fights just by pressing R at the moment I had to.
This video motivated me to play kindred since it made me know that im doing alot of progress in the really short time I've been playing her
Vars said it takes hundreds of games to understand how to get your marks from your enemy jungler safely and how to maniuplate ur passive etc etc
I learned all that in a really short time
This makes me really happy and super motivated
Vars also enlightened me more about kindreds limits and weaknesses
I tend to play her when I play Aram. But not in Summoners Rift.
I dont want her to be easier because if kindred gets popular she will be patched and I hate my champions gettimg touched by rito.
Actually one of the Main reasons why I chose Kindred and Lillia as mains
I mean rito made them so they where touched by rito lol but I think kindred could use alittle rework to be alittle more useful early on that's her only problem to be honest.
Glad to see some Kindred love. I am one of those people who can't find a main even after 2 years yet I always find myself coming back to Kindred and having fun. The learning curve is pretty scary, but it's a fun one and the reward is hard to put in words. Play them if you feel even a little inclined to do so, you will not regret it.
I agree with many points of the video, and as a kindred main I really like it.
Except maybe the part at around 5:45.
Kindred is actually not that weak early, she can easily duel champs like Lee Sin and Elise due to her superior Movement-capabilities and her very very higher sustain damage if you survive past an early point.
I was especially surprised when you said that Evelynn would "bring the pain early" to Kindred.
Evelynn is extremly weak early, with low damage, low health and low mobility. The only thing Evelynn has earlygame is clearspeed, which Kindred is very good at keeping up with.
I agree with your statement except Lee sin. ohh boy dont get me started................
this is the first champion I really learned to play. Life has been so much easier playing other champs lol. she is still my favorite chamo though!
Been waiting for this 😁
I started playing kindred recently and of course YT reccomends me this video after i searched for guides lmao.
Love your videos, even if its on the little older spectrum. Can't wait for your next one
I love that you gave an actual solution to the problem and didn't just complain. As a kindred main, excellent video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just felt in love with them yesterday xD
Dam TH-cam! I didn't even search anything!
Another issue that could be plaguing Kindred is the mark spawn mechanics of her passive. The marks kindred can get are random in location but on the enemy's side of the map, which means that the enemy jungler knows where to path to shut down a Kindred.
If they made changes similar to the ones made for the Omnistone keystone, like that the mark is more likely to spawn near where Kindred is currently located, it would make both the mark acquisition be faster and more reliable, and also easier to track where Kindred is. I'm not sure if that would be a perfect solution, but it would certainly help.
Kindreds Mark's are only semi random. They spawn based in how many Mark's you have and what camps are up. I think if you search it up you'll find a video explaining better
I enjoy kindred a lot, recently picked her up in season 10 and now i use her quite regularly. She’s very fun to play with her needing to invade enemy jungle for mark’s. It’s such a thrill doing all the calculations in ur head and figuring out no enemy can do anything from you taking the marked gromp while everyone is playing aram bot
I think that the main problem comes from stacking the passive since the mark is always in the enemy jg. I think it would be great if (a small part of the time) trying to get a mark wasn't a death wish...
I feel like in general she needs better survivability.
In my opinion Q dash range would be best buff for her. Seeing how easy it is to jump through a wall that's twice as bigger than Aatrox dash really hurts me.
When I started playing 2 years ago I just picked cool looking one champ and that's how im M7 kindred now.
I absolutely love Kindred, as a premise, their background, the voice acting, one of the best ultimates in the game (especially if you bait enemy smites on major objectives), the mobility and the passive that goes so well with the theme. Despite my loving the champ so much i am so bad at them and in general a bad jungler. I just get shat all the time and am really unlucky with the stacks on the enemy champs. If you lose early you might as well just forget invading the enemy jungle to take camps. I always pick her on ARAM though if she is available by chance hahah
I mained Kindred whole last year. I have to agree with your points. The one thing I would like to have done to them, is for Wolf to reveal his scouted area when W is on. They are the eternal hunters afterall. Wolf could then scout the bushes and Kindred would gain the advantage in early game against bush-ganks.
Really smart idea actually.
The most interesting design and gameplay-wise characters are so badly balanced that it's infuriating.
F kindred, fated to never be good.
@@LiteralHomoErectus yeah but there is literally only Jhin who is both cool af and decently balanced.
I mean, Kindred is viable in high-elo and even pro so...
I had a 43% winrate at first. Now I have a 65% winrate with Kindred. Pretty difficult champion, and worth the effort for me.
Put in the effort, you get rewarded! :D
Having 64% winrate, rank 7 210k with 2 completed eternals, new skin with chroma's and still failling to jump over red buff wall... It. Just. Feels. Good.
Learning a hard champ can be one of the most rewarding things in the game, azir, Aurelion Sol, kindred, all of these champs are a pain in the ass to learn but that’s what makes them fun. Especially watching someone else suffer trying to play them.
Kindred is really good if you know how to counterplay the enemies own objectives, that also means giving some early drags if it's a champ that can lvl 4 the drag like you can. So Rift or an invade is always a great option once you know where the enemy is. Also, people don't know that you can manipulate the spawns on the marks which leaves new players at a total disadvantage on trying to learn them.
me after enemy jg firstpicks kindred: a scorpion that is faster that the fastest man alive and can make you his little dog or a turtle that is faster then the fastest thing and he makes u play "why are you hitting yourself" just by standing there.
I love champ's that no one plays, because if you master them the opponents won't know how to deal with all of your tricks
But. But....
The same goes for your team.....
I had a game where they tried to leash for me...
As ivern...
@@kelthuzad4634 whenever I get an Ivern jungle I have to tell my ADC to not leash and it's so funny to me how many times it has happened
do a reverse series on why some champions are so consistently popular. interesting to see an analysis of their kits and how it survives meta changes or at least adapt to it
Used to watch your maplestory videos and just stumbled across this lol
Nice video c:
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OP bounce
I'd love to see "Why no one plays Taliyah"
I feel like it'd be pretty easy
I would like an episode on Braum since I don't see him ever.
She got played so often recently
@@vollmilchbaum6873 she's only played when OP. Otherwise she's non-existent
@@TheVideolover45 that’s true
Great video, well thought out and reasoned! I will say you could use a disclaimer that you are speaking only about solo Q though, or maybe a section related to how the champion is doing in pro-play, because kindred is a viable pick in pro right now. Maybe you could talk about what makes them effective in pro but less so in solo Q games. Just a thought :) looking forward to the next video!
I'll look into it! Thanks for the feedback :D Check out my other episodes while you're waiting if you'd like!
I used to play kindred a lot, and the reason I stopped was the team comp problem. Very rarely does your team need another ADC, and usually as a jungler you fill the gap of either AP, tank or assassin in the team. I do pick them in or against tank heavy team comps, where having another ADC in your team makes a lot of sense, or when I get an AP/melee botlaner.
The power reliance on marks is true as well, specially noticeable when your team is on the backfoot, getting priority in lanes to contest marks or being able to kill someone from a losing position is very hard. So it really does feel like a feast or famine champion, where winning games get snowballed easily but losing ones are very uphill.
I call myself a Kindred main, M7 Kindred, they are my highest point champ but I still fucking suck on managing them correctly, I have good moments, but I'm still nowhere close to master them.
"Why no one plays kindred"
Kindred isn't played because her clear feels bad because her w sustain is to poor and doesn't really help her clear. Her champion is featured as playing as the two hunters of death but wolf has nothing to do with the kit to be honest. Kindred's ult takes to much knowledge to know when to use and her her passive requires your team to play with you but in the most popular elos, plat and down, kindred's mark feels more like a chore than anything because her team doesn't play around her champ. In order to raise kindreds popularity (without a full rework), i would say that her W needs a change or at least a visual rework to make wolf FEEL like hes there, her passive needs to let her see marks BEFORE the enemies 5 or so seconds, that way she can path to it before the enemy team, or her ult needs to be changed to keep everyone alive then do a burst of damage to enemies that is a % of the overall damage prevented that way people aren't scared to play her and messing up in team fights.
Tbh, Kindred is easier to play in high elo rather than low elo. In low elo it is so hard to ask my team for a dive because they don't really knows what my ult does and how to play around it.
@@lokksiders__2151 yea that’s why she needs a change
Me : **Sees this video**
Also me : "But im a kindred main..."
a form of adjustment is maybe reducing the mark timing from 8 to 6 or 5 seconds as its so long and even when it looks completed it doesnt give the mark as the marked enemy died too quickly
and maybe changing the mechanic where everyone can see marks as its just an invitation for a 3 or 4 man collapse from whatever side scuttle is marked
maybe it could be a little icon on the bottom left of the camp to say "this camp COULD be marked but idk go check"
maybe thats too much change idk
Can you do Lissandra? I love her but rarely anyone plays her.
I’ll think about it. If you’d like you can donate to my pattern to request a video :)
She's only picked as an assassin counter lol
Liss sucks, her new passive is garbage, her spells are weak imo.
@@HighLanderPonyYT her new passive can be very op and way better than her old one
@@HardiSomal Can be is a big if. It does absolutely nothing till she kills a champ. It's win more and that's bad competitively. A passive that's always useful and helps her to get that kill would be better.
Her old one at least made her laning smoother. Now she's mega mana costs and thus she feels janky to play.
More accurate title: how to attract every kindred main on youtube.
Speaking for myself, what I don't like about Kindred (in any role; not just as jungle) is the reliance on stacks. You have to roam to jungle camps. You have to head hunt. If you don't, you don't scale well. But its disruptive to the natural flow of the game. It can mess up your pathing as jungler to go for a certain camp. It might not be a good call to gank top, even though you could use the early stack. Thematically it was a good mechanic. But in game terms it's a headache I don't need.
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What I think Kindred could use is an easier way to get early stacks. When a new marked camp appears, maybe it goes to whatever camp is nearest instead of to one across the map. When Kindred marks a champion, maybe don't make it take 8 seconds; maybe it takes 1 second per stack you already have, so that ambushes are easy early but get harder later once you have plenty of stacks. You still eventually get a marked Baron Nashtor; that part of it doesn't need to change.
The enemy can see the neutral target mark at the moment it appear, maybe adding a delay to being able to see which target is marked could at least make easier to stack the passive
Coming from a kindred main, it’s bc they’re bad, a good kindred is godly but a bad or even okay one literally just loses the game. When I don’t play jungle and have mine pick kindred i drop everything I’m doing and make sure they’re at least decent or I dodge 😞
I just wish Riot allows Kindred's passive mark camps in your own jungle
That would incentivize powerfarming, which is a pretty degenerative playstyle already.
I wish they reduced the lock-in time for Kindred's mark on champions. Like a slow-moving ADC has to give you 8 seconds of advanced warning before she can engage, but Evelynn only gives you 2.5 seconds of warning before you can get charmed and MR shredded by a near perma-invis champ? Granted, Evelynn doesn't infinitely scale, but making it easier for Kindred marks to apply would help Kindred be a more active threat in the game, and give her a better playstyle (kill-centric huntress) than her current build - which is a counter-jungling reliant champ that's too squishy to effectively counterjungle - without overloading her kit.
@@Neion8 Yeah, that sounds good. Maybe reduce the time to about 5 or 5.5 seconds.
Great video as usual
Thanks for your videos!
For me kindred don't need buffs
Hey at least she's one of league's best waifu
:flushed:
Kindred is the only jungler I find somewhat fun, especially in SoloQ. She has carry potential, an engaging kit, great passive that adds another objective to control. Kindred has made me a better League player because of the extra skills/map awareness needed to play the champion at a decent level. Is she S tier? No, but she's a/they're a very rewarding champion to play. It feels good to hunt your marks and not many champions in League can offer that.
Great video!!
No one plays her? Dude, she's abused so hard in high elos, mostly because of her q and r.
Idk man, her E is quite broken ngl
Didn't watch or at least listen to the video huh?
Just went straight to the comments triggered just by the title?
He just said literally at the first few minutes the title isn't meant to be taken to be literal.
High Elo is like less then 1 percent
The other day I got called a meta slave cuz I play Kindred :p
That person was clearly drunk or you play in super high elo. Either or.
@@phoenixflamegames1 Definitely drunk
A ekko jg told me I am abusing Kindred that they are op with no counterplay
your voice brought so much nostalgia from back when i was playing maplestory
The Hog Rider is a rare card unlocked from Spell Valley. His fast move speed can boost forward mini tanks like an Ice Golem in a push. At the same time, he can also function as a tank for lower hitpoint troops such as Goblins as he still has a fair amount of health. Most cheap swarms complement the Hog Rider well, as they are nearly as fast as him and usually force more than one card out of the opponent's hand.
The Hog Rider struggles with swarms, as they can damage him down and defeat him quickly while obstructing his path. Barbarians in particular can fully counter him without very strict timing on the defender's part, though be wary of spells.
A Hunter can kill the Hog Rider in 2 hits if placed right on top of it. However, if you place something in front of the Hog Rider, Hunter's splash will damage the Hog Rider and hit the card in front of it more.
Good placement and timing with Guards and The Log will fully counter the Hog Rider, canceling all Hog hits.
The Hog Rider in conjunction with the Freeze can surprise the opponent and allow the Hog Rider to deal much more damage than anticipated, especially if the opponent's go-to counter is a swarm, or swarms are their only effective counter to him. Skeletons and Bats will immediately be defeated by the spell, while Spear Goblins, Goblins, and Minions will be at low enough health to be defeated by a follow-up Zap or Giant Snowball.
However, this strategy isn't very effective against buildings as the Hog Rider will take a while to destroy the building, giving the opponent ample time to articulate another counter.
Non-swarm troops can deal a lot of damage during the freeze time, but this can allow the opponent to set up a massive counter push. For this reason, players should either only go for a Hog Rider + Freeze when they have other units backing it up from a counterattack, or if the match is about to end and they need to deal as much damage as possible.
It is not a good idea to send in a Hog Rider simply to destroy a building, especially if it is the only building targeting unit available, as defeating Crown Towers becomes substantially more difficult. Spells or simply waiting out the lifetime of the building are more effective. The exception to this is an Elixir Collector placed in front of the King's Tower. If a Hog Rider is placed at the bridge, he can destroy the Collector for a positive Elixir trade, though the damage from both Princess Towers will usually mean he does not survive to deal any damage to them. However, if the opponent sends in defending troops, it can be an opportunity to gain spell damage value.
In a deck with several low-cost cards, it might be worth it to simply send the Hog Rider against one building. These decks shuffle their card rotation quick enough, that they will arrive at their next Hog Rider before the next building arrives in the opponent's card rotation.
Long-ranged troops like Musketeer and Flying Machine can snipe those buildings, preserving some of the Hog Rider's health, possibly allowing it to get some Tower damage.
When there are buildings placed in the middle to counter the Hog Rider, understanding the placement of the Hog Rider and the type of building placed can help the Hog Rider to bypass certain buildings.
Passive buildings such as spawners and Elixir Collector have a larger hitbox than defensive buildings; which means that if a passive building was placed 3 tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, then the Hog Rider can't bypass that placement as the Hog Rider will get pulled to that building.
Defensive buildings have a smaller hitbox than a passive building, which means that if a defensive building was placed three tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, a Hog Rider was placed at the very left or right side of the Arena may be able to bypass it due to its smaller hitbox.
If the player has a building already placed down in the center of the arena, and the opponent tries to bypass it with a Hog Rider at the edge of the arena, they can use certain air troops to push the Hog Rider towards the building as it jumps over the river, effectively denying the bypass attempt. They must be already hovering over the correct placement, as very quick reflexes are required to correctly perform this technique.
For Bats, Skeleton Dragons, and Minion Horde, they should be placed right in front of the Hog Rider as soon as it is deployed.
For Minions, Skeleton Barrel, Mega Minion, Flying Machine, Electro Dragon, Baby Dragon, Inferno Dragon, Balloon, and Lava Hound, stagger the above placement one tile to the right if the Hog Rider is placed on the left side of the arena, and vice versa.
They can also use ground troops to achieve the same result. Something like an Ice Golem deployed at the Hog Rider’s landing spot will obstruct his path and force him to go around the unit, which causes him to be closer to the building instead of the Crown Tower.
The Hog Rider can kite Very Fast non-building targeting troops due to his own Very Fast speed and building only targeting if he is placed on the fourth tile from the bridge, slightly into the opposite lane. He can also stall grounded units when placed right at the bridge. He will pull them towards him while deploying, and then be untargetable by them when he jumps over the bridge. After landing, he will pull them back. This can be useful when the player needs to deal damage in the same lane they are defending. It will also help separate troops behind a tank in a large push.
A Tornado placed on the second tile in front of the player's King's Tower and staggered two tiles towards the Princess Tower will activate it without any damage dealt with the Princess Tower, helping them in defending future pushes. This can also be a method of mitigating all damage dealt with a Princess Tower, but doing this more than three times may result in the King's Tower's health being low enough to be targeted directly, opening up the possible threat of a back door three crown. A better alternative is to pull the Hog away from the Princess Tower into the attacking range of all three Crown Towers, which will negate all damage as long as none of them are already distracted
A very powerful combo is the Hog Rider, the Musketeer, and the Valkyrie typically referred to as the Trifecta. The Musketeer will defend against most troops, while the Valkyrie can protect her and the Hog Rider from swarms or high damage units. The Hog Rider is used to deal damage to the tower.
This can be effectively countered by Lightning, one-shotting the Musketeer and severely damaging both the Valkyrie and Hog Rider. The Minion Horde is also effective, but the enemy can Zap them and the Musketeer will one-shot them all. Even if the Musketeer is defeated, the Hog Rider and Valkyrie will have enough time to severely damage the Tower.
The Hog Rider should be placed behind the Valkyrie to give it a boost so that it stays in front of the Hog Rider, protecting it.
A Hog Rider combined with a Goblin Barrel can be awkward for the opponent to defend against. Timing it so that the Hog Rider is tanking the tower shots for the Goblins is the most effective way to deal damage. However, a Barbarian Barrel can shut this down with minimal Tower damage for a positive Elixir trade, as long as the Goblin Barrel was placed directly on the Tower.
Pairing the Hog Rider with the Balloon can deal devastating damage. If executed properly, the Hog Rider will act as a tank while the Balloon threatens to deal massive damage. The Hog Rider can also destroy any buildings attempting to slow down the combo. However, this combo is very vulnerable to swarms and anti-air cards as neither of the troops targets anything but buildings. Additionally, they are easy to separate, due to the disparity in move speeds. Alternatively, the Hog Rider and the Balloon can be played in different lanes to spread the opponent's defenses thin. However, a building or Tornado can bring them back together for easier defense.
The Hog Rider can be paired with the Lumberjack as both a swarm bait and damage combo. It is a very fast combo with an extremely high damage output potential, so the enemy will likely try to counter it with a swarm. If this happens, use spell-like Arrows to render the opponent defenseless. If they manage to defeat the Lumberjack, the dropped Rage will make the Hog Rider even more dangerous than it normally is.
A fast and deadly combination is the Hog Rider and Mini P.E.K.K.A. combo. Both units are fast but the Mini P.E.K.K.A. does much more damage and does not attack only buildings so the Mini P.E.K.K.A. can deal with troops like the Executioner and Musketeer. However, this combo can be defeated with swarms like Skeleton Army, which will defeat both of them since neither of them can deal area damage. They are also unable to target air troops, so the Minion Horde can stop this easily.
A risky play is to deploy the Hog Rider at the bridge as soon as the match starts. If the opponent does not react fast enough, the Hog Rider will deal a significant amount of damage to the Princess Tower. This can also allow the player to quickly scout the opponent's deck if they happen to react to him fast enough.