In the book Artax has emotions and feelings like humans. He can talk and has this convo with Atreyu: "I don't know, master. I think we should turn back. There's no sense in all this. We're chasing after something you only dreamed about. We won't find anything. Maybe it's too late even now. Maybe the Childlike Empress is already dead, and everything we're doing is useless. Let us turn back, master...With every step we take the sadness grows in my heart. I've lost hope. I feel so heavy, so heavy."
it's sadder in the book too, he can speak, and he knows he's going to die, but try as he might he can't fight the sadness. he tells atreyu to let go so that he won't drown too...and then very gently tells him to look away so the boy won't have to watch his friend die.
This shows the relationship between someone depressed and someone who cares. Artax has been acting normal despite the strain until he can't anymore. It takes Atreyu by surprise because he's coping better, but he tries to adjust and be accommodating. Atreyu finally understands how serious the situation is and reacts with the natural fear that his friend is in danger. He shows his panic that his friend needs help, not knowing what to do other than tell him to fight. He doesn't understand that the nature of depression is losing the will the fight. In his fear, he resorts to anger, then begging and pleading 'for me'. But he doesn't understand that sadness makes you so hopeless that you can't believe that people care about you, or even if they did, the world is too painful to keep going. This perfectly shows what it's like when two people in the same situation have different reactions and different abilities to cope. Atreyu is desperate to help, but can't. The scene after Artax dies is brief, but it shows how the person left behind has such a hard time coping with a loved one's suicide.
@@doandroidsdreamofelectrics8090 I first saw this movie when I was 7-8 years old. I’m now 38 years old. It still manages to make me cry to this day. The adult equivalent is losing somebody to depression or suicide. To see someone just give up when they have the power to fight but choose not to despite others trying to help them and begging and pleading to them. Such a dark scene.
And think of the allegory of you being the person who cares about someone mired in depression, desperately pulling on them, trying to free them, but no matter how strong you are, you will fail if they refuse to help themselves and now were crying again.
From the book… Desperately Atreyu pulled at the bridle, but the horse sank deeper and deeper. When only his head emerged from the black water, Atreyu took it in his arms. “I’ll hold you, Artax,” he whispered. “I won’t let you go under.” The little horse uttered one last soft neigh. “You can’t help me, master. It’s all over for me. Neither of us knew what we were getting into. Now we know why they are called the Swamps of Sadness. It’s the sadness that has made me so heavy. That’s why I’m sinking. There’s no help.” “But I’m here, too,” said Atreyu, “and I don’t feel anything.” “You’re wearing the Gem, master,” said Artax. “It protects you.” “Then I’ll hang it around your neck!” Atreyu cried. “Maybe it will protect you too.” He started taking the chain off his neck. “No,” the little horse whinnied. “You mustn’t do that, master. The Glory was entrusted to you, you weren’t given permission to pass it on as you see fit. You must carry on the Quest without me.” Atreyu pressed his face in to the horse’s cheek. “Artax,” he whispered. “Oh, my Artax!” “Will you grant my last wish?” the little horse asked. Atreyu nodded in silence. “Then I beg you to go away. I don’t want you to see my end. Will you do me that favor?” Slowly Atreyu arose. Half the horse’s head was already in the black water. “Farewell, Atreyu, my master!” he said. “And thank you.” Atreyu pressed his lips together. He couldn’t speak. Once again he nodded to Artax, then turned away.
Me too! I STILL cry lol. Even though I know he is back later lol. This whole scene just does me in, no idea why I clicked this lol. I just loved the movie so damn much:)
I hear ya. I saw this scene when I was 6 and I recall clear as day me busting out crying and my dad trying to tell me it was okay. I knew it was a movie, but damn it was sad.
Save Brooklyn hang a hipster crazy how much a horse was used all these years they say dog is best man I don't think so I say a horses man's best friend
One of the saddest scenes ever made. The only thing that glued up the crack in my young heart was Artax alive and well in the end of the movie. Thank you, Falkor!!! :D
The horse that played Artax in the swamp scene actually died because the platform he was tied to to make him “sink” was stuck. So. Basically the real life horse died the same way Arthax did. Drowning in mud.
I try to think of this whenever I'm feeling suicidal. Even if I sink, there will be those who love me, who tried to save me, but still have to trudge through the sadness themselves.
I've had those same feelings. It shows how much we care about our loved ones, no matter how much they piss us off. It's because of them that we keep going.
@@RYCKroll I won't take that as a joke. Please get help. I care enough to respond to a random stranger online a month later. Life's full of ups and downs, and people care whether they show it or not openly. If you really are feeling down, I hope you are reading this and know others care.
Yes! If you face immiting and haveing chills in eyes, not is behind, you can have fake cry. Also and onion gas can help to have fake cry. Certain spectators also of the sad concert "Kelly's Family - An Agel" was had chills in eye
I usually do Ricky getting shot from "Boyz N The Hood" (my friend died the same way) or the shower scene from "American History X" but this scene might be used next time haha
One of my favourite animals is a horse and because my sister competes in races, I've pretty much been raised around horses. I can't imagine my life without them. So as a person who has burning passion and love for horses, this scene in the movie might as well shatter my soul... THANK YOU FALCOR, SABASTIAN AND CHILD EMPRESS FOR BRINGING HIM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s all of it. The weepy music, the depressing swamp itself… And most underrated of all, is the boy who played Atreyu. Knocks it out of the park. I think that’s what’s really tugging at people’s heart strings.
Man, I think this one got the better of all of us as youngsters. For me, though, I think the minute or so afterwards is just as potent if not moreso. The reality of what just happened is slowly sinking in, and that alone would be enough to mentally cripple someone for hours if not days, if not years afterward! But those first few minutes, and then you have the swamps on top of that. You can see it in his face, it's taking everything he's got to keep moving.
I miss scenes like this in a lot of modern family entertainment. Back then, they weren't afraid to traumatise kids with difficult themes, and the movies were so much richer for it. I still cry every time I watch this scene. I still come back to it though, because apart from being really really sad, it's also really really beautiful.
@@gladtobeangry yes. People (and kids) need to FEEL something in order to UNDERSTAND what is happening, what the message is, what it means to learn a lesson. Movies for kids nowadays are so streamlined and sanitized; to live in the world is to accept trauma as a teacher, and that has been lost. Everything now is made to look so easy, just pretend you're a super hero . We had it better back then.
Noah Hathaway, who played Atreyu has said in a recent interview I found on TH-cam exactly how they did the scene. The horse trained for months to be submerged like that and remain calm. He stood on an elevator system that they lowered up to his neck. It never went further. Notice you never see him sink above his neck. They simply cut the scene there to a scene with Atreyu sitting in front of the empty spot where was. So no, once and for all the horse was not hurt in any way.
Seeing Atreyu crying for Artax is so powerful because it shows how much he loves his horse. I like that the movie teaches kids that it's okay to cry and it doesn't make you weak.
Yes. I was such a mess when my dogs, Spot, Zip, and Pamela passed away. I became an even bigger mess when I lost my mother to pancreatic cancer five years ago, and even when my father died February 9th, 2023, of congestive heart failure with a ruptured spleen from which was caused by respiratory distress.
I'm not even big on horses, but I can barley talk abou this without tearing up. This is the only horse death worse than Shadow of the Colossus. I mean come on. This movie has subtly manifested depression/suicide on film, in a way where, you don't even have to say a line of dialogue explaining it. It is also a great choice to have a character that can't speak sink into sadness. There is no sappy dialogue between him and a friend to really jerk those tears like alot of movies usually have. It is such a strong image of surrendering. Not even the love of a friend could overpower this emotional state. It is a reminder that darkness can be truly unending. Sometimes the lights are just too dim for a way out.
As a horse person myself (been riding for over 20 years) my own horse and I got into this situation in real life..he sank into the mud up to his stomach. We were ok tho. I didn't freak out because if I did my horse surely would too.if I stayed calm and thankfully we safely exited. Bruises and scrapes but omg I was thinking of this scene the entire time and I was not gonna have an outcome like this. That was in 2010.
The crazy thing about this scene is it grasps you and you're caring about a character you've known for what 2-3 min?? You don't care for characters that fast unless you've done something right..
this scene never fails, always always makes me cry like a little girl that I once used to be growing up with this gorgeous fantasy fairy-tale, I still watch it, it has depth, and even now after all those years I still find it just lovely - a masterpiece !
i saw this scene first time in english... it makes me cry.. that the synchro-speaker of atreyu is so bad...and that this scene in english bring only 10% of its emotional potential into it...
+aceventuraify isnt there a scene in one of the toy stories where theyre all like hugging and crying bc they think theyre going to get burned alive? that was kinda intense..
+Queen Koopa Not quite as intense as a scene about a horse that knows it is going to slowly drown and gives up trying to escape because it understands that its fate is now predetermined and there is nothing it can do to survive. There is no humour or satire in the death in this film, it is generally hard hitting.
Queen Koopa We do get scenes that give the sense of impeding doom and death, but they are usually more familiy friendly or satirical. Toy story is a good example, the frog dying in Shrek was also pretty sad, but it has elements of light humour. Never Ending Story was a really deep film, and it subtly touched upon themes of victimization, loneliness, depression, nihilism, suicidal tendencies and fear. Even the antagonist "the nothing" is a personification of non-existence, emotional breakdown and self destruction. Even the characters in Winnie the pooh represent mental health problems. Children's movies have changed so much and they aren't quite as deep anymore, which is probably a good thing, but also a shame in a way.
***** Yeah I agree, I was never traumatized by Never Ending Story when I was a child, I would have never have understood the deep parts of it anyway and it was one of my favourite childhood films. I like it when films are more sophisticated than what initially meets the eye because I can look back on the film now and understand some of the themes more clearly. Watching it again will be a fresh, New experience of the film. With Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks etc... There are still some adult jokes and themes in their films that children won't understand, but the subliminal themes are less sophisticated. It's less mind blowing than discovering some of the hidden messages and representatations in modern child and family films. Never Ending Story was way ahead of its time too which made it even better.
***** I probably haven't seen the US version as I live in the UK. I'll look up Doldinger's never ending story soundtrack and see if I recognize any of the compositions :)
Swamp of Sadness? More like the Swamp of Tearjerking Snot-cries ( that leave you humiliated in front of all your cousins) ... Seriously though, I've never EVER felt so sad for a horse... R.I.P Artax.
Scenes like this paint Clinical Depression as some kind of horrific, otherworldly thing that just happens... it was startling to realize that that's what I was going through for the majority of my life. I watched Rolie Polie Olie and the Great Defender of Fun with my son, and the description "first you get all bluesy, then you get all snoozy, then you don't wake up" hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought of this scene. I thought of all the random episodes of childhood TV in which a bad guy with some kind of vacuum gun sucks all the color out of different characters, and they're just not themselves... There are so many metaphors for Clinical Depression in children's TV shows, and I never made the connection till recently. It's so much more than being sad. It feels like you're being quite literally crushed to death. Clinical Depression is so horrible because there is no actual swamp into which you can sink; if it gets to be unbearable, you have to take the plunge and end things yourself, because Depression isn't going to do it for you. It's either that, or mentally fight a Battle every single day just to perform the simplest of tasks. Truly, I don't know how I won my War against The Nothing, the Crushing Emptiness, the Void. Metaphors like this... I'm just so grateful that they exist. Most people won't understand, but for those of us who do, we can use them to explain to others what it's like. I know exactly why Artax sank. It's not something I'd wish on anyone, but Lessons in Empathy are always worthwhile.
Amen to you. Peace for those who struggled until they chose the self sacrifice and strength for those who still fight for a better tomorrow. God bless you
When I was a child I thought this was the end of the movie. Dad told me that as he carried me screaming and crying to bed. It was too much for an eighties parents! I will always love this film
Interestingly enough, the author of the book says this movie has nothing to do with the source material and is 'plastic commercialization', he even sued to try and keep them from calling it by the title or claiming to be an adaptation.
then read the book :D it's way more sadder because Artax can speak. and he doesn't come back in the end, Atreyu sticks around with Falkor and fixes the shit Bastian did while he was in Fantasia (which is quite a lot
This Post by International House of Geeks sums up pretty good what the fuck this cursed scene`s done to our generation: ihogeek.com/2013/03/15/blameartax/
I never knew the Swamps of Sadness was a kind of bog that would have the ability to make you sad and make you lose hope and confidence, and therefore it would engulf you. I'm not a therapist, or anything, but I'd say Artax lost hope and confidence and was therefore engulfed by the quicksand.
So basically, true sadness is the feeling that all hope is gone and that you have lost all confidence and will to go on. Makes sense. The feeling of loss is distinct apparently. Funerals rarely bring me to tears, even when it was my closest friend who died. I just went to the funeral, said my prayers for him, went home, and ate a sandwich. At the time, I think it was turkey. I still think about him every now and then, and reflect on that. But other than that, life goes on, and I can't bring back the dead. I'm not even sure if I'd want to. This is a sad scene though. This would be a hard thing to take in for anyone, even a person like me.
MCSuire I can understand that. I get your point. Last month, my dog was suffering, and I took to the veterinarian, and they put him to sleep. I couldn't stand to see him suffer, and did the only humane thing I could do to help his suffering. I was beyond devastated. I miss my buddy a lot.
I always thought it was wierd why Atreyu didn't sink into the swamp when he was crying over Atrax. Seems like he let his sadness overtake him pretty much there.
I'm 35. Surely I can handle this scene by now. It's just a stupid horse.... TT_TT NOPE. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. EVERY DAMNED TIME. TEARS EVERYWHERE.
Heh. I know what you mean. Personally, I can handle this, but that scene of Chance & Shadow struggling in the mud pit towards the end of "Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey..." 😔👌
+battousaiblade Honestly, Littlefoot's mother dying is a scene that brings me right to the edge where I can almost not bear to watch it. Artax's is really intense and more poetic and symbolic in my opinion, but that feeling of hoplessness when all guidance and love just dies on Littlefoot is so crushing and relatable, that I consider it the saddest scene in movie history.
I see where you're coming from but at that time marker I actually started watching the scene and I was like nope nope nope... Sorry dude haha. I wasn't actually watching this, just reading the comments.
So I actually met Noah at Baltimore Comic-Con and asked him about filming this scene. He told me that it took 2 weeks to shoot and it was absolutely miserable. The horse was standing on an elevator like platform that had it go down to it's neck. The water was "Freezing as fuck" in his words.
I remember i watched this movie when i was around 9 or 10. I don’t remember a single thing about the plot, the characters or anything, but I remember this scene in details and it still gives me chills. I am now 17 and i will never forget how much this scene scared me
Being overtaken by sadness trying to help others, while having to have this conversation with yourself. Just to learn a friend you tried to help feel better in your young age killed themselves (and learning what monster one of her parents was).
Artax is clear definition of depression. Once you loose hope will to live there happens to be no more struggle no more fighting back you will give up just like that
this is weird and random but when i was a kid i used to love eating raisin bran and letting it soak in the milk until it became all goopy.. and i always thought the swamp here looked just like that lol. made me want cereal whenever i watched it
I had long forgotten this scene that made me cry hard when I was a kid, and hit me for years. TH-cam recommended me a clip with the song of the movie, and a short part of this scene came out. Thx for reopen my hurt, but also for bringing me nice memories from my childhood.
(meanwhile on the Muppet Show theater balcony) Waldorf: Ah, this movie's terrible enough as it is. Statler: No kidding. The horse had a SINKING FEELING about that already! Both: D'OH-HO-HO-HO-HO-HO!
I'm 31 years old and watching this scene makes me cry just as hard as the first time ever. Atreyu is such a badass. I was so happy to see him and Atrax riding together at the end..
I'm 40 years old. I never cried at any other movie than 'Old Yeller'.. but damn it.. This scene still hurts me. Dogs and horses. The only thing a man truly needs. Well. A whore from time to time, but they can't be trusted.
I was thinking about my life in this suffocating place, where I just don't care about much anymore. And I realized I am like Artax. My therapist is not exactly like Atreyu (she has more training and experience perhaps in depression) but she is very much trying to save me and I just stand here and sink.🌧
The Simpsons reacting to Artax's death: Homer: (crying) No, Artax! Why are you drowning in that swamp? Just turn around! Marge: (tearfully) Oh, Artax! Please don't die! Bart: (chuckles) See you in Hell, Artax. Lisa: (sobbing) Bart, this is not funny! Look at that poor horse! He's my most favorite character ever! Maggie: (just sits there and sucks on her pacifier)
bigbuggie5 Most mammals can get depressed but it's not about that, it's symbolism not realism. In this instance the horse is any friend suffering depression and it shows the helplessness against it.
The saddest part is that when they were shooting the scene the platform where the horse was standing failed and the horse did die and they stopped shooting for like 2 weeks
talon pulse Jared S. Gilmore, Chandler Riggs, Willow Shields, Ariel Winter, Quvenzhane Wallis, Rico Rodriguez, and all the voice actors from The Amazing World of Gumball suggest otherwise.
Sadness is not the same as despair. You can be sad, but still going on. If you fall in despair you have nothing to go further. That's why Atreyu is SO SAD but he doesn't sink in the swamp.
My interpretation of the scene is this: The whole book - and the movie - is about Bastian, a boy dealing with the loss of his mother, by escaping into fantasy. But he can't escape the reality and the sadness either. The swamps of sadness are an analogy for his own depression, and that's what makes this scene so powerful - probably the pivotal scene of the whole movie. Atreyu, the hero of the story Bastian is reading, is traversing the swamp of sadness with his only friend: his horse Artax. The swamp itself tries to overwhelm anyone passing through with a sadness so great they can't go on and sink into the swamp. Similarly, Bastian is trying to cope with his grief over the mother he lost, trying not to get so enveloped in the sadness that he can't go on anymore. Bastian's father even makes a speech about this to Bastian in the beginning of the movie, about not giving up because of sadness, because we need to live our own lives even though others we loved have lost theirs. Atreyu is protected by the Auryn, the symbol of Fantasia, like Bastian is shielding himself from the pain with fantasy. Artax the horse, sadly, isn't protected, and it dies. Just like Bastian's mother. The loss of his friend connects Atreyu directly to the orphaned boy reading about him. It's so well thought out, all the elements link up perfectly. It's heartbreaking, but it's beautiful.
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In the book Artax has emotions and feelings like humans. He can talk and has this convo with Atreyu: "I don't know, master. I think we should turn back. There's no sense in all this. We're chasing after something you only dreamed about. We won't find anything. Maybe it's too late even now. Maybe the Childlike Empress is already dead, and everything we're doing is useless. Let us turn back, master...With every step we take the sadness grows in my heart. I've lost hope. I feel so heavy, so heavy."
Wow.. makes the metaphor for depression even more powerful.
The book is so good.
“I feel so heavy” Jesus man
“I feel so heavy” he just like me
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As a kid, I never understood why Artax would just let himself sink.
Now I understand.
why did he let himself sink? because he was scared?
Cristina Adimari Not fear. He just became too sad to care whether he moved or not... live or die, what's the difference?
ampman76 well that makes me sad ...
it's sadder in the book too, he can speak, and he knows he's going to die, but try as he might he can't fight the sadness. he tells atreyu to let go so that he won't drown too...and then very gently tells him to look away so the boy won't have to watch his friend die.
Why? Because his girlfriend dumped him?
This shows the relationship between someone depressed and someone who cares. Artax has been acting normal despite the strain until he can't anymore. It takes Atreyu by surprise because he's coping better, but he tries to adjust and be accommodating. Atreyu finally understands how serious the situation is and reacts with the natural fear that his friend is in danger. He shows his panic that his friend needs help, not knowing what to do other than tell him to fight. He doesn't understand that the nature of depression is losing the will the fight. In his fear, he resorts to anger, then begging and pleading 'for me'. But he doesn't understand that sadness makes you so hopeless that you can't believe that people care about you, or even if they did, the world is too painful to keep going. This perfectly shows what it's like when two people in the same situation have different reactions and different abilities to cope. Atreyu is desperate to help, but can't. The scene after Artax dies is brief, but it shows how the person left behind has such a hard time coping with a loved one's suicide.
This was stated so well... Breaks my heart
This comment makes so much sense. And the deeper meaning of breaking down the scene...breaks my heart even further like...damn.
Very well said.
Definitely shows as well no matter how much you try and pull, scream or cry for them to not give up, it’s their choice in the end.
Atreyu isn't coping better, he has AURYN, he's protected from all danger, the swamp is not effecting him.
Artax didn't fight or move because he didn't care anymore. It's heartbreaking
And after Atreyu hugs and comforts him you can see Artax try to move but is swiftly overwhelmed by the sadness once again and sinks.
@@doandroidsdreamofelectrics8090 I first saw this movie when I was 7-8 years old. I’m now 38 years old. It still manages to make me cry to this day. The adult equivalent is losing somebody to depression or suicide. To see someone just give up when they have the power to fight but choose not to despite others trying to help them and begging and pleading to them. Such a dark scene.
1983
@@spkanavaNo this film was released in 1984
"you're letting the sadness get to you" oh. my. god.
That was life before Prozac hit the market
@@MechaJutaro Prozac for horses?
@@Elizabeththegreatest Horses in Fantasisa seem like they might enjoy an enhanced life span with the aid of anti-depressants
@@MechaJutaro Especially those who go through the Swamps of sadness!
And think of the allegory of you being the person who cares about someone mired in depression, desperately pulling on them, trying to free them, but no matter how strong you are, you will fail if they refuse to help themselves and now were crying again.
Imagine being traumatized by this scene as a child then RETRAUMATIZED when youre old enough to understand it 😔
As I’m just now finally finding this movie again, yes I can say the trauma this movie gave me as a little kid is just popping right back open.
me currently
Try living it with your own horse. I did. We got out fine thank God. But now I got double trauma
And them reliving the movie in real life as I am now. But the swamp has not taken me. And I press on, to save the Child Empress. My Moonchild.
This scene is even worse if you’ve lost someone to depression.
From the book…
Desperately Atreyu pulled at the bridle, but the horse sank deeper and deeper. When only his head emerged from the black water, Atreyu took it in his arms.
“I’ll hold you, Artax,” he whispered. “I won’t let you go under.”
The little horse uttered one last soft neigh.
“You can’t help me, master. It’s all over for me. Neither of us knew what we were getting into. Now we know why they are called the Swamps of Sadness. It’s the sadness that has made me so heavy. That’s why I’m sinking. There’s no help.”
“But I’m here, too,” said Atreyu, “and I don’t feel anything.”
“You’re wearing the Gem, master,” said Artax. “It protects you.”
“Then I’ll hang it around your neck!” Atreyu cried. “Maybe it will protect you too.”
He started taking the chain off his neck.
“No,” the little horse whinnied. “You mustn’t do that, master. The Glory was entrusted to you, you weren’t given permission to pass it on as you see fit. You must carry on the Quest without me.”
Atreyu pressed his face in to the horse’s cheek.
“Artax,” he whispered. “Oh, my Artax!”
“Will you grant my last wish?” the little horse asked.
Atreyu nodded in silence.
“Then I beg you to go away. I don’t want you to see my end. Will you do me that favor?”
Slowly Atreyu arose. Half the horse’s head was already in the black water.
“Farewell, Atreyu, my master!” he said. “And thank you.”
Atreyu pressed his lips together. He couldn’t speak. Once again he nodded to Artax, then turned away.
reminds me of Blade when Blade walks away from Whistler
1983
Damn bro
Omg, that’s so sad 😢
Wow that was even sadder than this scene. 😭😭😭
this shit made me cry like a bitch when I was a kid. I'm 31 now and it still kills me
Me too! I STILL cry lol. Even though I know he is back later lol. This whole scene just does me in, no idea why I clicked this lol. I just loved the movie so damn much:)
I hear ya. I saw this scene when I was 6 and I recall clear as day me busting out crying and my dad trying to tell me it was okay. I knew it was a movie, but damn it was sad.
same
Save Brooklyn hang a hipster crazy how much a horse was used all these years they say dog is best man I don't think so I say a horses man's best friend
Save Brooklyn hang a hipster yo I was ten when I first saw this and now I'm 30. I just shed a tear.
One of the saddest scenes ever made. The only thing that glued up the crack in my young heart was Artax alive and well in the end of the movie. Thank you, Falkor!!! :D
SilverFlame819 Let me burst your bubble: Artax doesn’t return in the novel.
Wait what?! ARTAX LIVES AT THE END OF THE MOVIE?!?
Spoiler
@@erinthedemonhog2090 Yep i was crying by this scene, but i was so happy when i saw Artax by the end
The horse that played Artax in the swamp scene actually died because the platform he was tied to to make him “sink” was stuck. So. Basically the real life horse died the same way Arthax did. Drowning in mud.
Artax sinking is a metaphor for depression, but Atyeu's reactions are the 6 stages of grieving. As a full grown man, this is hard to watch
I try to think of this whenever I'm feeling suicidal. Even if I sink, there will be those who love me, who tried to save me, but still have to trudge through the sadness themselves.
I love you Frazier
I've had those same feelings. It shows how much we care about our loved ones, no matter how much they piss us off. It's because of them that we keep going.
isaac terrington
I am suicidal and was jealous of the horse
@@RYCKroll I won't take that as a joke. Please get help. I care enough to respond to a random stranger online a month later. Life's full of ups and downs, and people care whether they show it or not openly. If you really are feeling down, I hope you are reading this and know others care.
More kids need to be like this boy. Skip school all day to read books.
Pretty much sums up my childhood. It can happen. :)
Hes not the one who skipped school to read the book, he is in the book.
Nah i choose skip school and play on my consoles
I
Books teach you more than school
As an actor myself, I think about this scene every time I have to generate tears.
I'm only just getting my foot in the door.
Yes! If you face immiting and haveing chills in eyes, not is behind, you can have fake cry. Also and onion gas can help to have fake cry. Certain spectators also of the sad concert "Kelly's Family - An Agel" was had chills in eye
Is a great scene!! Great music and acting. Still makes me cry 😢 and is 2018 and I’m almost 40 years old.
I usually do Ricky getting shot from "Boyz N The Hood" (my friend died the same way) or the shower scene from "American History X" but this scene might be used next time haha
Me too
you know what makes this scene so sad is the background music.
for me it is mostly the way the horse is looking at you :'(
Whichever.....I cry nearly none stop....😭😭
@@bradhedgehog12 So do I!
One of my favourite animals is a horse and because my sister competes in races, I've pretty much been raised around horses. I can't imagine my life without them. So as a person who has burning passion and love for horses, this scene in the movie might as well shatter my soul...
THANK YOU FALCOR, SABASTIAN AND CHILD EMPRESS FOR BRINGING HIM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s all of it. The weepy music, the depressing swamp itself…
And most underrated of all, is the boy who played Atreyu. Knocks it out of the park. I think that’s what’s really tugging at people’s heart strings.
we will always love you Artax.
@@kirstyperrin1205 that's messed up
me too 🐴
He'll be back... 😊
He actually is back when Fantasia is rebuilt.
@@AlexCooper-cr6pz I think that the Artax that sunk into the swamp was different from the Artax at the end
Man, I think this one got the better of all of us as youngsters. For me, though, I think the minute or so afterwards is just as potent if not moreso. The reality of what just happened is slowly sinking in, and that alone would be enough to mentally cripple someone for hours if not days, if not years afterward! But those first few minutes, and then you have the swamps on top of that. You can see it in his face, it's taking everything he's got to keep moving.
actually the auryn was protecting him from the sadness of the swamps.
I miss scenes like this in a lot of modern family entertainment. Back then, they weren't afraid to traumatise kids with difficult themes, and the movies were so much richer for it. I still cry every time I watch this scene. I still come back to it though, because apart from being really really sad, it's also really really beautiful.
@@gladtobeangry yes. People (and kids) need to FEEL something in order to UNDERSTAND what is happening, what the message is, what it means to learn a lesson. Movies for kids nowadays are so streamlined and sanitized; to live in the world is to accept trauma as a teacher, and that has been lost. Everything now is made to look so easy, just pretend you're a super hero . We had it better back then.
Damn fancy seeing you hear.
Noah Hathaway, who played Atreyu has said in a recent interview I found on TH-cam exactly how they did the scene. The horse trained for months to be submerged like that and remain calm. He stood on an elevator system that they lowered up to his neck. It never went further. Notice you never see him sink above his neck. They simply cut the scene there to a scene with Atreyu sitting in front of the empty spot where was. So no, once and for all the horse was not hurt in any way.
Yes she was trained by corky Randall. (The pony was a female)
@@whitetipvelociraptor5759 I do believe the story. I've known about it for years. Noah denies it but idk.
@@whitetipvelociraptor5759 my bet? Confidentially and probably a whole legal mess plus if the horse really passed then lawsuits etc.
I'm 38 years old, and this scene makes me cry as hard as the first time I watched it decades ago 😢😥
Seeing Atreyu crying for Artax is so powerful because it shows how much he loves his horse. I like that the movie teaches kids that it's okay to cry and it doesn't make you weak.
Yes. I was such a mess when my dogs, Spot, Zip, and Pamela passed away. I became an even bigger mess when I lost my mother to pancreatic cancer five years ago, and even when my father died February 9th, 2023, of congestive heart failure with a ruptured spleen from which was caused by respiratory distress.
I'm not even big on horses, but I can barley talk abou this without tearing up. This is the only horse death worse than Shadow of the Colossus. I mean come on. This movie has subtly manifested depression/suicide on film, in a way where, you don't even have to say a line of dialogue explaining it. It is also a great choice to have a character that can't speak sink into sadness. There is no sappy dialogue between him and a friend to really jerk those tears like alot of movies usually have. It is such a strong image of surrendering. Not even the love of a friend could overpower this emotional state. It is a reminder that darkness can be truly unending. Sometimes the lights are just too dim for a way out.
I agree. Also, the movie version of Artax's death is superior to the novel one, where Artax speaks. Here, however, is just pure emotions.
Deep
As a horse person myself (been riding for over 20 years) my own horse and I got into this situation in real life..he sank into the mud up to his stomach. We were ok tho. I didn't freak out because if I did my horse surely would too.if I stayed calm and thankfully we safely exited. Bruises and scrapes but omg I was thinking of this scene the entire time and I was not gonna have an outcome like this. That was in 2010.
I was glad when Agro in SotC came back at the end.
Sad movie where horse dies-Phar Lap
The crazy thing about this scene is it grasps you and you're caring about a character you've known for what 2-3 min?? You don't care for characters that fast unless you've done something right..
is because he says "You are my best friend" that is just intense
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this scene never fails, always always makes me cry like a little girl that I once used to be growing up with this gorgeous fantasy fairy-tale, I still watch it, it has depth, and even now after all those years I still find it just lovely - a masterpiece !
i saw this scene first time in english...
it makes me cry.. that the synchro-speaker of atreyu is so bad...and that this scene in english bring only 10% of its emotional potential into it...
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@@blneiskalt I have to disagree with you there...I saw the German scene as a comparison and the emotion was missing for me
These scenes both destroyed and created my childhood. No regrets
Best comment!
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We never realized as a child just how much we'd be fighting that sadness as an adult.
Pixar movies today would never have a scene like this.
+aceventuraify isnt there a scene in one of the toy stories where theyre all like hugging and crying bc they think theyre going to get burned alive? that was kinda intense..
+Queen Koopa
Not quite as intense as a scene about a horse that knows it is going to slowly drown and gives up trying to escape because it understands that its fate is now predetermined and there is nothing it can do to survive. There is no humour or satire in the death in this film, it is generally hard hitting.
Queen Koopa We do get scenes that give the sense of impeding doom and death, but they are usually more familiy friendly or satirical. Toy story is a good example, the frog dying in Shrek was also pretty sad, but it has elements of light humour.
Never Ending Story was a really deep film, and it subtly touched upon themes of victimization, loneliness, depression, nihilism, suicidal tendencies and fear. Even the antagonist "the nothing" is a personification of non-existence, emotional breakdown and self destruction. Even the characters in Winnie the pooh represent mental health problems.
Children's movies have changed so much and they aren't quite as deep anymore, which is probably a good thing, but also a shame in a way.
***** Yeah I agree, I was never traumatized by Never Ending Story when I was a child, I would have never have understood the deep parts of it anyway and it was one of my favourite childhood films. I like it when films are more sophisticated than what initially meets the eye because I can look back on the film now and understand some of the themes more clearly. Watching it again will be a fresh, New experience of the film.
With Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks etc... There are still some adult jokes and themes in their films that children won't understand, but the subliminal themes are less sophisticated. It's less mind blowing than discovering some of the hidden messages and representatations in modern child and family films.
Never Ending Story was way ahead of its time too which made it even better.
***** I probably haven't seen the US version as I live in the UK. I'll look up Doldinger's never ending story soundtrack and see if I recognize any of the compositions :)
Swamp of Sadness? More like the Swamp of Tearjerking Snot-cries ( that leave you humiliated in front of all your cousins) ...
Seriously though, I've never EVER felt so sad for a horse... R.I.P Artax.
Artax is a cool name
+Sailor Sedna He did but in the book, Artax stayed dead and Atreyu had Falkor.
i was afraid of mud when i was a kid because of this scene
I still am... this scene still haunts me...
same!
Same
I can't blame any of you
you see, it's movies like these that prepare kids for life. Not the crap they make these days.
+Jean-Luc Picard Yep, I am 100% prepared for my horse to sink in a swamp.
+KriskenB He means that the whole moral of this scene is to prepare children for death and that if you drown in sadness you will sink in it.
Natalie Dixon I know, I was just making a joke. It's too bad all the content kids nowadays will see are happy fluff and bullshit.
Nope movies these days prepare them for drugs and sluttiness. lol
Jean-Luc Picard AMEN TO THAT!
Scenes like this paint Clinical Depression as some kind of horrific, otherworldly thing that just happens... it was startling to realize that that's what I was going through for the majority of my life. I watched Rolie Polie Olie and the Great Defender of Fun with my son, and the description "first you get all bluesy, then you get all snoozy, then you don't wake up" hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought of this scene. I thought of all the random episodes of childhood TV in which a bad guy with some kind of vacuum gun sucks all the color out of different characters, and they're just not themselves... There are so many metaphors for Clinical Depression in children's TV shows, and I never made the connection till recently. It's so much more than being sad. It feels like you're being quite literally crushed to death. Clinical Depression is so horrible because there is no actual swamp into which you can sink; if it gets to be unbearable, you have to take the plunge and end things yourself, because Depression isn't going to do it for you. It's either that, or mentally fight a Battle every single day just to perform the simplest of tasks. Truly, I don't know how I won my War against The Nothing, the Crushing Emptiness, the Void. Metaphors like this... I'm just so grateful that they exist. Most people won't understand, but for those of us who do, we can use them to explain to others what it's like. I know exactly why Artax sank. It's not something I'd wish on anyone, but Lessons in Empathy are always worthwhile.
Amen to you. Peace for those who struggled until they chose the self sacrifice and strength for those who still fight for a better tomorrow. God bless you
So, can you tell the world about depression without putting yourself on a cross?
Unlikely.
@@alexwarner8048 Sorry you are so bitter
It was like losing a pet when you were a child
***** I lost my dog 6 months ago. I still have my other, and she's 10. I still got some ways to go with her.
***** We are. Thank you.
@@Darkman9478I miss our dog my Guinea pigs two hamsters and two rabbits. 😢😢😢
When I was a child I thought this was the end of the movie. Dad told me that as he carried me screaming and crying to bed. It was too much for an eighties parents! I will always love this film
What a great Dad
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Out of the whole movie, this was the one scene that stuck with me until adulthood :(
when they remake this movie they better include this scene, I wanna hear children cry when I go see this movie in theaters
They better not remake this movie. Dont they dare put dirt on its name. Like those disney remakes.
Yess yess bring the tears of the innocent 👉👈
If they remake this they better make the horse speak like he does in the books. That’s the only way I could accept it
Interestingly enough, the author of the book says this movie has nothing to do with the source material and is 'plastic commercialization', he even sued to try and keep them from calling it by the title or claiming to be an adaptation.
@@RobertMorgan clearly that didn't work
OMG, I didn't expect the reader to break into tears....
Quite frankly, me, neither.
Chao Flaka Why? Because he is a boy? Boys do cry too
Rodney Dodson Pretty much everyone does
Bastian... _why_ don't you _do_ what you _dream, _*_Bastian!!_*
Why?
"Luke, you must go to the Dagobah system."
if only yoda was there to lift him out
@@forrestgumball hrrm,this horse deppresive,it is. Too heavy his weight is.
@@marianmolinogalan3256 give him a ketamine i must
this was the saddest part of my childhood...still makes me cry! 😭
i cries when the horse dies too everytime i watch it
+Stephanie Gouldson me too
That part of the film is so sad but he does get him back in the end
then read the book :D it's way more sadder because Artax can speak.
and he doesn't come back in the end, Atreyu sticks around with Falkor and fixes the shit Bastian did while he was in Fantasia (which is quite a lot
Meg Skywalker I prefer the film than the book
This fucked me up as a kid.
This Post by International House of Geeks sums up pretty good what the fuck this cursed scene`s done to our generation: ihogeek.com/2013/03/15/blameartax/
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I never knew the Swamps of Sadness was a kind of bog that would have the ability to make you sad and make you lose hope and confidence, and therefore it would engulf you. I'm not a therapist, or anything, but I'd say Artax lost hope and confidence and was therefore engulfed by the quicksand.
So basically, true sadness is the feeling that all hope is gone and that you have lost all confidence and will to go on. Makes sense.
The feeling of loss is distinct apparently. Funerals rarely bring me to tears, even when it was my closest friend who died. I just went to the funeral, said my prayers for him, went home, and ate a sandwich. At the time, I think it was turkey. I still think about him every now and then, and reflect on that. But other than that, life goes on, and I can't bring back the dead. I'm not even sure if I'd want to.
This is a sad scene though. This would be a hard thing to take in for anyone, even a person like me.
MCSuire I can understand that. I get your point. Last month, my dog was suffering, and I took to the veterinarian, and they put him to sleep. I couldn't stand to see him suffer, and did the only humane thing I could do to help his suffering. I was beyond devastated. I miss my buddy a lot.
the trials and tribulations of life remind me of the swamps of sadness
This film was way ahead of its time tho. The metaphor that he’s drowning in depression and he doesn’t have any fight left in him so he dies
I always thought it was wierd why Atreyu didn't sink into the swamp when he was crying over Atrax. Seems like he let his sadness overtake him pretty much there.
+Mangs I think he doesn't sink because the medallion Auryn protected him.
+Mangs The Auryn protects him from sinking in the swamp completely, I believe it says so in the book.
He was moving around though while the horse was just standing still. That's how quicksand works
I never did understand why he didn't just put the auryn on the horse and climb on his back. Stupid Atreyu. Nobody had to die here.
He was tougher
I'm 35. Surely I can handle this scene by now. It's just a stupid horse....
TT_TT NOPE. NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. EVERY DAMNED TIME. TEARS EVERYWHERE.
verdatum I felt sad but more scared at the dark theme
Heh. I know what you mean.
Personally, I can handle this, but that scene of Chance & Shadow struggling in the mud pit towards the end of "Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey..." 😔👌
@verdayum Artex wasn't a stupid horse he was beautiful.
I wish I had a clinically depressed horse
i've arrived
Lmao I’m crying thank u for making me laugh
@@CrustyUgg sick sad world, but we love it.
Watch Bojack Horseman 😂
ketamine users
I was 5 when I watched this for the first time and I was balling my eyes out when Artax died. This scene still gets to me :(
since I love horses this scenes makes me cry
Don't see War Horse then. Uffff
David Eppelsheimer I have seen War Horse also it is sad but it is a good movie
PrincessKitana Of Outworld really? i bawled my eyes out in the theater. and i've been riding horses for over 20 years
battousaiblade I've been riding for almost 7 years because I will be 17 next month
PrincessKitana Of Outworld 29 i am and i've been riding since i was 7. this movie and the black stallion was the start of my career.
Noah Hathaway as Atreyu was so good in this movie
This scene traumatized me as a child. The music, the acting, and the poor horse's bulging eyes just did it for me.
WiiU!!!! You stupid console! You have to sell games or you'll die!
+David Curry Well it's living.
love you artax
If you didn't cry during this part, you have no soul.
i dont have one anymore it seems
could this be the saddest scene in the history of film ;(
***** don't forget Littlefoots mother
+battousaiblade Honestly, Littlefoot's mother dying is a scene that brings me right to the edge where I can almost not bear to watch it. Artax's is really intense and more poetic and symbolic in my opinion, but that feeling of hoplessness when all guidance and love just dies on Littlefoot is so crushing and relatable, that I consider it the saddest scene in movie history.
Nah, one of but not the saddest.
1ranjeeves21 deserves a top 10
1ranjeeves21 i think so titanic is another the ship hit the ice burg and sink very similar
Most traumatizing part of my childhood O_o
+Abbeon I remember clear as day busting out crying when the horse died. I was like 6 or 7 and it just came out like a river.
I was thinking similar. :)
the fact that he was able to continue on after losing his horse just shows how positive he really was at heart
He was also wearing the Auryn necklace which protected him from the effects of the swamp
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I’m 41, father of 5, 19 years of military service , fought in 2 wars… This scene makes me cry every time like a baby.
don't give into depression peeps. love you all
This was the first loss of innocence for many of us 80s kids.
If this scene didn't make you cry in your childhood, you have no heart.
43 and it still makes me weep like a baby.
Music playing at 1:25 is so magical and brings my childhood alive
I see where you're coming from but at that time marker I actually started watching the scene and I was like nope nope nope... Sorry dude haha. I wasn't actually watching this, just reading the comments.
this is so heartbreaking. I remember being so distraught as a kid. Even now. :'(
Honestly I think this traumatized me more than my parents getting divorced
So I actually met Noah at Baltimore Comic-Con and asked him about filming this scene. He told me that it took 2 weeks to shoot and it was absolutely miserable. The horse was standing on an elevator like platform that had it go down to it's neck. The water was "Freezing as fuck" in his words.
LOL that sounds awful
Saddest part of the whole film :( God this still breaks my heart even now! What a timeless classic.
I remember i watched this movie when i was around 9 or 10. I don’t remember a single thing about the plot, the characters or anything, but I remember this scene in details and it still gives me chills. I am now 17 and i will never forget how much this scene scared me
Artax: life is pain wilbur, life is only pain
OH MY GLOB! THIS IS SO SAD! I mean, I have know Idea on where this is from, but still, I DIED :P
Lol
The Neverending Story is the movie name
WHY ARTAX!!!!! I loved him. You don't know how much I cried when I saw the movie for the first time :'(
"Everyone knew that whoever let the sadness overtake him would sink into the swam."
As a kid I watched this scene thousands of times, and every time I did I wished it had a different ending
Being overtaken by sadness trying to help others, while having to have this conversation with yourself.
Just to learn a friend you tried to help feel better in your young age killed themselves (and learning what monster one of her parents was).
22 found this to painful to watch and I cannot blame them.
Artax is clear definition of depression. Once you loose hope will to live there happens to be no more struggle no more fighting back you will give up just like that
And I thought Bambi's mom getting shot was sad...
This is way worse than Bambi's mother's death in my opinion
this really impacted my life as kid, people always wonder why i'm so happy. Will never let the sadness take me.
this is weird and random but when i was a kid i used to love eating raisin bran and letting it soak in the milk until it became all goopy.. and i always thought the swamp here looked just like that lol. made me want cereal whenever i watched it
You are twisted; but I dig it bro. :-)
Ur alive ‼️
I had long forgotten this scene that made me cry hard when I was a kid, and hit me for years. TH-cam recommended me a clip with the song of the movie, and a short part of this scene came out. Thx for reopen my hurt, but also for bringing me nice memories from my childhood.
(meanwhile on the Muppet Show theater balcony)
Waldorf: Ah, this movie's terrible enough as it is.
Statler: No kidding. The horse had a SINKING FEELING about that already!
Both: D'OH-HO-HO-HO-HO-HO!
😂😂😂😂😂
CharlesXavier good 1.
Not funny
Berry Fizz yes it is. You're just letting the less dangerous swamp of no sense of humor get to you.
I'm 31 years old and watching this scene makes me cry just as hard as the first time ever. Atreyu is such a badass.
I was so happy to see him and Atrax riding together at the end..
I'm 40 years old. I never cried at any other movie than 'Old Yeller'.. but damn it.. This scene still hurts me. Dogs and horses. The only thing a man truly needs. Well. A whore from time to time, but they can't be trusted.
Hounddog Qix lol
I was thinking about my life in this suffocating place, where I just don't care about much anymore. And I realized I am like Artax. My therapist is not exactly like Atreyu (she has more training and experience perhaps in depression) but she is very much trying to save me and I just stand here and sink.🌧
The Simpsons reacting to Artax's death:
Homer: (crying) No, Artax! Why are you drowning in that swamp? Just turn around!
Marge: (tearfully) Oh, Artax! Please don't die!
Bart: (chuckles) See you in Hell, Artax.
Lisa: (sobbing) Bart, this is not funny! Look at that poor horse! He's my most favorite character ever!
Maggie: (just sits there and sucks on her pacifier)
Why would you say that?! "The Simpsons" is my favorite TV show ever! You can't say some bad stuff about that!
“WHY YOU LITTLE-!!” *choking Bart*
i'm so glad and relieved Artax lives again! You'll see him when Bastian flies with Falkor!
Who else came here just to torture themselves?
One of the darkest and saddest scenes in a kids movie ever.
Damn the memories! if you saw this movie as a child you had the best childhood!
bro i remember this scene scared me so much when i was younger i used to cry while watching it all the time 🥺😔
I miss you Dad (July 29th, 2015) 🖤 ;...
It’s not just Artax’s death that gets me hit hard in the heart, it’s the soundtrack that goes along with it. Awww it’s depressing I just can’t! 😢
of course, cause music creates emotions
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Childhood innocence destroyed!
Born '79...here in '21 still gets me. Artex!!!!
It looks like Artax suicided
He did, It's supposed to symbolize depression. He let the sadness get to him and didn't fight.
Tahlia Solczaniuk How does a Horse get depressed? He had a owner who loved him and fed him.
bigbuggie5 Most mammals can get depressed but it's not about that, it's symbolism not realism. In this instance the horse is any friend suffering depression and it shows the helplessness against it.
@@bigbuggie5 you can have it all and be depressed
@@ZakRios333 I love that the person posted their comment 7 years ago and your reply still holds up today
I felt it was hard to watch this scene without crying I just can't stop it's very heartbreaking disturbing scene Rest in Peace Artax
The saddest part is that when they were shooting the scene the platform where the horse was standing failed and the horse did die and they stopped shooting for like 2 weeks
U funny fuck
Wrong. Atreyu is the one who almost drowned. The horse was fine
This scene was so hard to watch when I was a 4 year kid back in 1984. Even now, it's still hard to watch and not shed a few tears.
My top cries. One horse and one volleyball.
Made me cry in 1984 when i was 6...still makes me cry.
And me too.
this scene ruined my life.. 😓😢😭😭😭
deekid311 relax the horse is fine
No matter how hard I try not to cry, I end up bauling. This is such a sad scene. 💔💔💔
This is back when kids could actually act. Now they ruin movies every time
talon pulse Jared S. Gilmore, Chandler Riggs, Willow Shields, Ariel Winter, Quvenzhane Wallis, Rico Rodriguez, and all the voice actors from The Amazing World of Gumball suggest otherwise.
talon pulse No they still sucked back then too. This is just one exception.
wtf!!!!!! this was the cheesiest acting I've ever seen
Rodney Dodson I think I did a better job at acting than the child ...
Sadness is not the same as despair. You can be sad, but still going on. If you fall in despair you have nothing to go further. That's why Atreyu is SO SAD but he doesn't sink in the swamp.
I was 7 when I first saw this and I bawled when Artax died.
My interpretation of the scene is this:
The whole book - and the movie - is about Bastian, a boy dealing with the loss of his mother, by escaping into fantasy. But he can't escape the reality and the sadness either. The swamps of sadness are an analogy for his own depression, and that's what makes this scene so powerful - probably the pivotal scene of the whole movie.
Atreyu, the hero of the story Bastian is reading, is traversing the swamp of sadness with his only friend: his horse Artax. The swamp itself tries to overwhelm anyone passing through with a sadness so great they can't go on and sink into the swamp. Similarly, Bastian is trying to cope with his grief over the mother he lost, trying not to get so enveloped in the sadness that he can't go on anymore. Bastian's father even makes a speech about this to Bastian in the beginning of the movie, about not giving up because of sadness, because we need to live our own lives even though others we loved have lost theirs.
Atreyu is protected by the Auryn, the symbol of Fantasia, like Bastian is shielding himself from the pain with fantasy. Artax the horse, sadly, isn't protected, and it dies. Just like Bastian's mother. The loss of his friend connects Atreyu directly to the orphaned boy reading about him.
It's so well thought out, all the elements link up perfectly. It's heartbreaking, but it's beautiful.
Thank you for that insight! Really powerful. As someone who lost their mother at a young age.. it resonates with me heavily.
@@buckham14 Sorry to hear about your loss, that must have been very difficult.
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