I like how Tim brings up a point about film actors being assholes and then Howie acts like an asshole to that girl for just bringing something up which he didn't think was relevant.
There’s definitely a Peter Pannish man child “I don’t wanna grow up” aspect to a lot of those 80s Bill Murray roles too. Especially the ones where he leads some group of Lost Boys, like Stripes. I thought it was an interesting elaboration and definitely related to the Murray commentary.
Love Tim but...Ive seen him bully a lot of people. He did a who segment moking joe rogan podcast. Did another one telling him to shut the fuck up. Makes fun of people he doesnt like all the time. He just called bill murray an asshole. We wasnt, he was an everyman, or a underdog. I dont think he sees that he is an arrogant asshole himself.
Can’t remember who said it but someone out there brought up a point that Bill Murray movies usually had him acting like a jerk, getting his comeuppance, and changing his ways while Chevy Chase movies he didn’t have arcs like that.
Chevy Chase thought being an asshole was fine yet Chevy Chase was always a leftist. I'm not sure why asshole equaled right wing in this conversation because Bill Murry is probably registered Dem also. I' don't know. I'm just taking a guess.
Chevy Chase is a Saint and a willingness to engage in banter does not make one a jerk. People overreacted when Kanye, Denzel or whoever couldn’t banter off camera on that TV show that Harmon made. But who ever it was, they never made Fletch so who cares? A comedian shouldn’t be penalized for not conforming to the guidelines of a character arc or a three act structure archetype. Or maybe we should chastise Glenn Gould for playing the piano “too quickly”. Hard to say… but I do know that Howie Mandel is the greatest comedian of this generation and perhaps any generation.
@@BigEvan96 we are talking about a form of media entertainment which continues to exist.. inexorably.. i can still watch an episode (present tense) from season 1 and be entertained.. as can most with half a sense of humor
I think I know what he means, but I'm not sure Bill Murray movies are the best analogy. Scrooged and Groundhog Day are two of the absolute best examples of depicting main characters who are complete assholes that suffer greatly specifically because they're assholes, and only finally achieve happiness after they slowly and painfully learn how to be truly selfless.
@@Anton-wk8lv well he goes from arrogant, lazy, out of shape, jobless bum with no respect for anyone to a war hero and gets a hot chick. All without becoming a better person. That’s probably the best way I could sum it up
Those are a couple movies of his that lasted. At the top of his career though he was churning out movies where he was like an arrogant witty guy putting down everything around him constantly. Hell, that’s the character in Scrooged and Groundhog Day too, it’s just those movies kind of require him to learn a lesson in them and in his lesser movies he just kind of cruises through
On cinema is the most amazing show I’ve ever seen. It’s hilarious the universe he created is amazing. It’s nothing short of amazing how he was able to look at himself and construct basically the biggest idiot he could is genius Tim Heidecker is a complete and utter genius and if you don’t believe it, it’s because you haven’t seen it.
Police Academy? The movie is about a bunch of misfits who try to be cops and the movie makes fun of the police institution all the time. The heroes are only jerks to the authority (Captain Harris, Mouser, etc) and in the end they "save the day". Did he see the movies?
I find Tim and Eric extremely hilarious but there is another aspect to their art which I really appreciate which is this really surreal world that exists in their comedy that is super unsettling, almost bordering on like a horror nightmare but then somehow has an endearing quality to it.
I’ve always thought about the venn diagram of comedy and horror and how certain elements of both might possibly tickle us in the same region of the brain. Maybe it’s that fear and laughter both relate to a panic response because they often relate to us feeling uncomfortable or misdirected, the responses to both feel like they’re part of the same system. This is probably what they unknowingly tap into in us that creates such a tug of war between what’s scary and what’s funny, or a particular blend of the two.
god how long are you guys gonna run with this.. I know you don't actually give a shit what actually happened but here it is: Tim publicly said he didn't like the show. Adult Swim canceled the show because advertisers didn't want their stuff near it. the show was canceled. Sam Hyde blamed Tim and got all his little lame followers to go after him. Adult Swim has canceled *multiple* Heidecker projects. he doesn't have anywhere near the power to dictate what they do or don't cancel. let it go and stop bitching. MDE was nowhere near as funny as you guys think it was, you just salivated because it pushed into some racist territory. .
"The lovable asshole" was not a trope because the right wing establishment wanted to brainwash people into being assholes lol, that's just an inherently interesting character archetype. A character being able to get the audience on their side, despite being objectively not a great person, is just the mark of an engaging and charismatic personality. There's just something inherently compelling about guys who are able to be cool while flagrantly not caring about what other people think. But apparently that's "right wing" now?
He was getting to Police Academy and I think got off track... yes, Police Academy was basically right wing. Being a curmudgeon is a defining trait of Trump fans so it is now right wing as well. Tim’s right wing character is an asshole.
Tim's thought here is very much in line with a lot of woke attitudes about art in general. The idea that art should necessarily be didactic, performing a social function of instructing people how to think and behave, that art should always have some kind of "positive moral" to it. There's an implicit assumption in it that people are too dumb to think for themselves and need to be taught what to think by their betters. This paternalistic kind of thinking is ultimately death to actual free creative expression and artistic greatness. It's like how in the Soviet Union they actively suppressed artists who weren't sufficiently in line with the "correct" sociopolitical ideology, or even just artists perceived as politically ambiguous/apolitical.
Tim never said it was because of the “right wing establishment” lmao. He said that that style of comedy is emboldening right wingers. Big difference, and it’s driven solely by the fact that people enjoy watching it.
@@roundabout468 naw lil homie. I'm not chasing Timmy, Timmy keeps popping up in my world... bunch of my homies were on the Wilmington production crew for east bound (one of the few truly inspired comedies) casting agent (Allison?) is a genius
Tim has a good point, remember how in Ghostbusters the EPA were the villains? The good guys were the ones printing money with their backstrapped unlicensed nuclear accelerators
Well yeah because the EPA represented 'the man' - it represented the government, it represented the establishment. It represented red-tape and order - rules and regulations that stiffle good work and creativity. Although the Ghostbusters were pseudo-scientists they could be be considered the counter culture, the underdogs wanting to help rid the community of ghosts. Were they indulging in a little fame and seeking some fortune, yes. But they weren't bad people. It's still not a right-wing take. Perhaps many right-wingers might share the sentiments against the EPA but the EPA was more than that. Like I said, they represented the man. Ghostbusters could be seen as very left-leaning by all other accounts. I also think people forget that left leaning people can and will share and have overlap with those on the right. And that overlap on either side doesn't inherhently make either the oppossite.
Those 80s comedies were all anti-establishment. Funny he brings up Police Academy. That’s a film about regular everyday people entering and changing a system. All of Bill Murray’s movies are this basic conceit. If Tim can’t recognize this it might be because he is part of the establishment now. Every late night host proudly displays their politics, which is fine. That’s their choice. But it’s all uniform at this point.
You really think that was the message of Police Academy? It was a stupid teen comedy with obligatory 80's T&A. The recruits didnt *change* the system. They BECAME the system.
Who was Tim referring to in Police academy as being the rewarded asshole? If he’s talking about Mahoney then that’s nothing new and quite classic comedy, so much so that cartoons parodied it e.g. Tom and Jerry, Coyote and the roadrunner, woody woodpecker etc…
I think he was just talking about the over the top machismo douche archetype being rewarded in 80s movies. His examples are a bit off though. He does not like Bill Murray for some reason, but Bill seems like he was probably one of the more enlightened comedic actors of the 80s. He did do that Hunter Thompson movie, and Razor's edge.
Kind of a weird take considering a lot of Tim & Eric skits involved Tim being a jerk to Eric (and/or the extras) and getting away with it. In fact, Key and Peele was mostly like that too, with Key being the punching bag.
Yeah, he's gone down the politics drain. He's invested in it, so it's hard to see him changing but he's in the class with people who steer every thought into something connected to someone they hate. People blamed everything on bush for a while. Then Obama. Then trump. The man is a hammer who only sees red and blue nails at this point.
He's a big fan of stuff like Alan Partridge and Spinal Tap. Tim's characters and universes are parodies. That's how you can use that humor while putting down real life assholes at the same time. There's also a difference between absurd T&E stuff that is ambiguous and walks a fine line and straight up stupid right wing humor that punches down.
So which is it; Is Scott his first or last name? So his name is either Scott Carrot Top or Carrot Top Scott. It's strange he'd drop the one normal sounding name for his public persona.
Scott Thompson. You should listen to the Opie and Anthony show/clip where Patrice O’ Neal googles his name in front of him. He did the same thing to Gallagher too. RIP Patrice
Wow, unexpected comment section. I think Tim was just making a point about the style of comedy that was common in the 80s, but people really took it personally lol
There's definitely movies in the 80s that he could have pointed out but Police Academy was the opposite of that the assholes always lost in those movies, and they were diverse
Then you havent been to a comment section before. Comedy is victim of the times so those who care about it do take it personally but so does tim and that's fine. It's being a douche about it that makes it annoying. But I actually think this is a personal thing for Tim and is one of the many reasons he took the path he did. I disagree with him but whatev.
@@ryangalinat952 no kidding. And assholes can be funny because they are blunt and tell the truth. "Its funny cause its true", yadda yadda...assholes overlap with comedy more than he thinks.
Revenge of the Nerds is another one that sort of champions legitimately unethical behavior. I think it's still allowed to be funny, but it's important to acknowledge that it's objectionable behavior.
Ayn Rand inspired Reaganism was the philosophy of that era, so it came through in every big movie one way or another, especially comedies. The will of individual men, jerks or not, against the state and fate itself, on a mission to get rich and successful, was the theme in almost every comedy. Practically pointing this out to Zemeckis was the reason Crispin Glover wasn't in Back To The Future 2.
I take exception to the idea that Bill Murray's characters are rewarded for being assholes. Scrooged, Ground Hog Day, What About Bob, Rushmore, even as far back as Stripes; his characters might start out as assholes, but redeem themselves at the end of the movie. Chevy Chase movies on the other hand, the Fletch character, and Vacation movies had many sequels based on his characters never changing. You want Clark Griswald to flip out and loose it every movie. Or you want Fletch to try some sneaky disguise and get into some crazy situation.
Tim is completely wrong about this. Think back to all those Bill Murray movies he starred in from the 80s and even up until today: they had redemption arcs. He was rewarded by CHANGING. Police Academy was about a bunch of misfits who wouldn't ever normally be allowed to serve as cops but were able to pull together to save the day. Tim's politics have clouded his mind. If he wants an example of a lead character being rewarded for being an asshole or a "bully", look at Larry David in "Curb Your Enthusiasm" (one of the funniest shows ever). Larry doesn't "learn" or "grow". He's just a douche and him saying out loud what others are thinking but are too afraid to say in social situations makes us laugh and love that character. And that character is as Left Wing as they come. But in the end, why even try to attach politics to everything? That's part of what is ruining modern day comedy.
They're flimsy redemption arcs though, most of the characters still exhibit the most of their douchebag behaviours like being lazy, shameless sleazebags even into the sequels of the films that got them.
But there's still redemption arcs. I think it's unfair to judge how serious a redemption arc should be in a comedy. As far as sequels, they're just remaking that redemption arc. That's usually why they suck.@@beowulf1417
@@SecretsOfStandupComedy it's not about being serious it's about providing depth and committing to the concept which those films don't. They are the some of the shallowest examples of the redemption arc trope. Coming to America is a great example from that particular era of comedies of getting it right. That you don't realise this and went out of your way to say they covered the trope speaks volumes to what Tim is getting at, most viewers like yourself don't even realise the inadvertent message you were consuming and thus see nothing wrong with the behaviours it has enabled in some people.
Also these guys are playing lovable jerks most of the time. They are still endearing and the comedy comes from them being dicks when you think they wouldn’t. Think Bad Santa.
I really enjoy most of Heidecker's output but he always comes across in interviews as rather morose, like the cliche of the comedian who is miserable off stage
@John Gotti if most comedians have gone through the "worst shit" then how come 98% of them are more enjoyable to listen to in these scenarios than Tim is?
I think when you work really hard on comedy its hard to have to go on podcast and pretend somethings funny just to help push along some rich dudes podcast.
I always liked Tim, but I’m not sure about the “right wing” comedy comment he made about the 1980’s. What about Revenge of the Nerds, One Crazy Summer, Back to School, Back to the Future, etc. The bully always loses. Even in Police Academy, the underdogs won. I think he needs to take off the woke blinders so he can see reality more clearly.
I think what Tim really means when he says right wing is more that a lot of those comedies were these white dudes who were "finally saying what we're all thinking!!" and in the end they always get the girl and yadda yadda yada
The Peter Pan comparison made zero sense. Secondly, what does Bill Murray or Police Squad (and other old comedies) have anything to do with being "right wing"? Plenty of modern comedies and films reward a-holes constantly.
Aside from neither of those things being remotely related, the difference is Heidecker sometimes *acts* as a regressive idiot whereas Hyde *is* a regressive idiot.
I'd be on your side if that was ever actually proven. I personally don't find Tim Heidecker particularly funny, but Sam was never able to actually prove that Tim had anything to do with World Peace being cancelled. And besides that point Sam Hyde is an Alt Right grifter who only maintains any sort of relevance by purposely saying and doing things to flame libs and leftists. It's oddly boring and a little sad at this point. Sam lost his show because he's a loud intimidating asshole and the little weak man babies at adult swim couldn't take that kind of energy. I think Sam would find much greater success with a little humility, but unfortunately he's been playing a character and grifting for so long he's actually become the person he originally portrayed as a joke. It's like Alex Jones all over again he's completely lost the plot.
@@Bob-ux3iv Tim was the only person with ANY pull who expressed outrage at the show existing. And he encouraged his audience to do something about it. Those are both facts. And I don't care about your views on any one of the MDE guy's politics. There was nothing wrong with that show. Anybody should be allowed to make any art they want and have it judged on it's own merits. And what Sam and Nick are doing now clearly has much greater appeal than Tim's output so maybe you just find it boring. Which is fine.
He says himself that he's struggling to come up with the right terminology because he hasn't considered it deeply enough, I think I understood his point of view though. If you look at a lot of the old comedy movies, it's not even that they aren't PC- some are actively homophobic, transphobic and racist at points. Now that it isn't as popular and normalised to treat other people that way anymore, you can see a clear shift within media reflecting that change. I don't think what he meant was that old comedy movies had a political agenda or were considering themselves right-wing. The point I think Tim was getting at is simply that as we have progressed socially so has our media, and a lot of our old media reflects attitudes and opinions of the time which would be considered right-wing today.
Howie is right, Tims universe is so funny to people who are already steeped in comedy and value it more than most things in the world. The satire isn't as accessible as like Christopher Guest movies but you invest in On Cinema it's on the same level.
Not to mention that half of T&Es comedy is using let's say "neuro atypical" actors for comedic effect. That's much more problematic than Bill Murray being snarky to rich people and government officials. I love everything he's done since Tom Goes to the Mayor but damn does Tim need to take a break from whichever echo-chamber he's been hanging out in.
@@Matt-pc5cd Damn, yeah I didn't even think of that. Them using a bunch of autists for comedy fodder does not age very well through the lens of all this woke shit lol.
Kind of ironic how heidecker is commenting about right wing comedy when his comedy use to go slightly that direction. Firing Sam Hyde who he deemed right wing and saying a person being mean is just a right wing. What a hypocrite.
Sam Hyde donated $5,000 to the legal defense fund of a guy who runs the most well known Neo Nazi website, The Daily Stormer. So in this case, we really are talking about (extreme) right wing asshole comedy.
It's weird how Tim chooses to play a psycho in all of these things he has written but always acts the same way in interviews. It's almost like he's not playing a character
He doesn't act the same way in interviews. There are a few interviews out there where he's normal. Most interviews though he's playing a character. Much like how Norm Macdonald, Tom Green, Gilbert Gottfried always played characters in interviews
That is literally Tim’s character in comedy. And Bill wasn’t a dick to just be a dick. He often played a jaded or disgruntled man, who then learns his lesson by the end of the film.
I would class things like American Pie and the more irreverent Will Ferrel movies from the 2000’s as having some of that same vibe Tim’s talking about at the beginning
Ferrel and the likes characters are more lovable idiots that sometimes can be jerks . The jerk isn’t the main push of the characters for most of them. Same with any seth regen, Steve carrell, Jason segel etc. I’d say Sandler fits the bill better
Dumb. The movies Tim is referring to were all made by left of center guys and are anti-authoritarian in nature, though not usually explicitly political. Underdogs using their wits to get over on the more powerful.
See that's the thing though...is Bill Murray really an underdog? In ghostbusters, he's always the smartest or coolest guy in the room and always has the best lines. Yes the script tries making the EPA big and domineering (nothing right-wing to see here at all) but the underdog status never feels remotely earned in his character. He behaves with maximum entitlement the whole way through. But anyway I know Ghostbusters is some kind of sacred holy text to aging nerds so this is me pointing this out is probably whistling dixie
I’ve thought a lot about what Tim is touching on. It’s the Karen mantality. The characters in those shows have a sense of entitlement. They treat “lower” people (ie waiters, hosts, mechanics, other service providers) terribly because they feel entitled to do so based on their perceived superiority to them. And they are rewarded for it. Think Kevin’s parents in the Home Alone movies who threaten and punish police, flight attendants, hospitality workers, etc for their own failures and are rewarded for it.
@@Brandon-tk2rw You completely missed the point because the whole film "The Comedy" is a satire, precisely betraying people at their worst, as a kind of metanarrative on characters in films in general. So The Comedy would be a GOOD film to watch, precisely to understand this point.
"Peter Pan was an asshole kidnapping kids and was rewarded." Ummm, no he wasn't. He was just showing them an dreamworld. Not unlike Mr. Conductor from Shining Time Station.
He was saving them from the adult world that neglected them in childhood and then expected them to grow up (quite literally feeding them to the wolves/crocodiles of passing time)
Ghostbusters. Sigourney Weaver is clearly not interested in him for almost the entire film and he keeps harassing her. However, I still love the movie. Few movies age gracefully. Even stuff coming out right now will seem incredibly dated in a decade. That's just a fact of life. Media always reflects the culture of the time, for better or worse.
Nah, tons and tons of movies age gracefully. That’s why people use the phrase “timeless classic.” Also some movies are way ahead of their time and and can feel completely relevant and fresh watching then now. Other movies don’t even become popular until years after their release. Maybe you need to just seek out better shit. Will a movie like get out feel “incredibly dated” in ten years? I doubt it. Also why are sequels made years later successful? Your theory doesn’t hold up.
who would have guessed that tim is so fond of african americans that he moved to the hood. respect! i thought he's more of a gated community type of guy
I do think a lot of audiences misinterpret Bill Murray. First, he was never a jerk to minorities - only to people in power (mayors, rich stiffs, etc.), second, his "jerk" qualities were his flaws. In Ghostbusters he comes on way to strong to Dana and is super annoying initially, but when he finds her possessed he doesn't take advantage of the situation because he actually cares. He even apologizes to Jeanine the one time he makes an actually mean comment ("the bug eyes"). You can even see this in George Carlin's act - he behaves like an asshole, while saying the most un-asshole things. The problem was most Americans particularly because they were conservative could never get past the surface level of these characters. Really more of an indictment of us, than it was of them. Another important thing to note: Almost all of Bill Murray's characters either started out poor and on the brink, or were just fired. Scrooged and Groundhog's Day being the exceptions.
The idea that assholes being rewarded for being assholes is a great insight, but his flaw is that the right wing has a monopoly on assholes. Tim is a hyper progressive/champagne socialist though so it makes sense. Trump Talkin Nukes IS a great song but then the woke turn around and scream Biden needs to bomb the shit out of Putin. They are legitimately crazy people.
People who are extremely left leaning always amaze me saying things like art emboldened certain ideology. I really think that they believe that they are above people and most of the population are just impressionable idiots. And I'm saying being a left leaning person myself.
@@MarleyBM199 lol, it has nothing to do with population density or political beliefs. Human brans are just faulty, we have crappy memory, we're prone to make errors, to believe in various type of ghosts, and susceptible to mass delusions.
@@MiqelDotCom yes all the people in this nation are sheep except for you. Excuse me for questioning you oh enlightened one, you are Neo in the Matrix my friend
While I respect the hell out of eric I actually do not agree with his view of the "bill murray" style comedy we grew up with. Dont know why I'm even commenting about it but I really do love and admire both realms of comedy. Tim and eric pushed the boundaries of comedy but we dont live on the boundaries in my opinion. On the other side of it, the "played out" sitcom tropes come from the fact stories over history boil down to only a handful of character archetypes and what not. The context changes but our dreams and ambitions dont.
I always saw it as Murray movies he’s eventually learning a lesson and becoming a changed man. It’s the Chevy Chase movies where he stays the same goofy ass throughout the entire movie. Love most of both of their work.
@@louieo.blevinsmusic2011 true that. Chevy is more of the likeable idiot trope where as Murray is the straight ass but like you said learns a humbling lesson. Except for Ghostbusters. He didnt really learn anything at the end of Ghostbusters.
Tim Heidecker worked to get a comedian's show cancelled...because he did not like this comedian's edgy style of comedy. Think about it, this guy made it his mission to prevent another comedian from earning money. Tims funny and makes great content but having to resort to Karen mode and "talk to the manager" made me lose all respect for him.
@@Garlicbredqueen he campaigned to get World Peace cancelled from AdultSwim because the guys who made it were right wing. He literally told all his fans to contact Turner and ask that they remove the show
@@ardiberen pretty sure tim did one of his podcasts and suggested viewers to contact adult swim if they wanted something cancelled. He was playing coy but it was obvious what he was alluding to.
So, as someone who’s done standup, I can tell you that writing a hack joke is hard if you’re doing it against your nature, and only because you just want to start making some money.
@@Novastar6 I really want to like it. Tim turned into such a POS in real life I can't enjoy anything he makes anymore. I gave it a chance too. Greg is funnier. Tim actually lost his funny.
@@ZeranZeran tim is cool. I like his politics. But i don’t care for the comedy of his show. I don’t “get” it because its the kind of comedy thats weird on purpose
Is Tim's entire On Cinema schtick not based on the asshole of assholes being rewarded for being an asshole? I guess the irony and parody of it all shows the genius of Tim. Zero Hour is coming any day!
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Recently rewatched Police Academy, laughed my ass off when someone dropped jigaboo as a slur.
Don't be a coward like Tim Hiedecker!! Invite Sam Hyde as a guest!
think it dream it do it
Yeah he really needs to grow a pair and have him on.
Listen to your fans, we want Sam Hyde.
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I like how Tim brings up a point about film actors being assholes and then Howie acts like an asshole to that girl for just bringing something up which he didn't think was relevant.
There’s definitely a Peter Pannish man child “I don’t wanna grow up” aspect to a lot of those 80s Bill Murray roles too. Especially the ones where he leads some group of Lost Boys, like Stripes.
I thought it was an interesting elaboration and definitely related to the Murray commentary.
How did Howie not understand why she brought it up lol
Yes I like it too, she was completely irrelevant
That girl is his daughter. It’s playful ribbing.
Love Tim but...Ive seen him bully a lot of people. He did a who segment moking joe rogan podcast. Did another one telling him to shut the fuck up. Makes fun of people he doesnt like all the time. He just called bill murray an asshole. We wasnt, he was an everyman, or a underdog. I dont think he sees that he is an arrogant asshole himself.
Can’t remember who said it but someone out there brought up a point that Bill Murray movies usually had him acting like a jerk, getting his comeuppance, and changing his ways while Chevy Chase movies he didn’t have arcs like that.
Chevy Chase thought being an asshole was fine yet Chevy Chase was always a leftist. I'm not sure why asshole equaled right wing in this conversation because Bill Murry is probably registered Dem also. I' don't know. I'm just taking a guess.
Tarantino makes this point on Rogan
Chevy Chase is a Saint and a willingness to engage in banter does not make one a jerk. People overreacted when Kanye, Denzel or whoever couldn’t banter off camera on that TV show that Harmon made. But who ever it was, they never made Fletch so who cares?
A comedian shouldn’t be penalized for not conforming to the guidelines of a character arc or a three act structure archetype. Or maybe we should chastise Glenn Gould for playing the piano “too quickly”. Hard to say… but I do know that Howie Mandel is the greatest comedian of this generation and perhaps any generation.
Nothing about it feels Conservative or liberal. This was a weird take.
@@schizophrenic_AI the level of racism displayed by this comment is hilariously close to chevys
My wife's boyfriend doesn't like Tim's comedy, but I think he's hilarious.
I'm sure your wife's boyfriend is very nice... but he's wrong
And what do you think of Tim Heidecker?
Agreed. Two kinds of people in this world.. people who get Tim and Eric and people who don't... the latter of which are wasting oxygen
@@Dbales34 The torch has passed on. Tim and Eric were funny. Key word. Were.
@@BigEvan96 we are talking about a form of media entertainment which continues to exist.. inexorably.. i can still watch an episode (present tense) from season 1 and be entertained.. as can most with half a sense of humor
I think I know what he means, but I'm not sure Bill Murray movies are the best analogy. Scrooged and Groundhog Day are two of the absolute best examples of depicting main characters who are complete assholes that suffer greatly specifically because they're assholes, and only finally achieve happiness after they slowly and painfully learn how to be truly selfless.
He's really creepy in Ghostbusters though, forcing his way into Sigourney Weaver's apartment and still getting her in the end.
Probably more in Stripes as a better example
@@Football__Junkie Haven't seen it, what does he do?
@@Anton-wk8lv well he goes from arrogant, lazy, out of shape, jobless bum with no respect for anyone to a war hero and gets a hot chick. All without becoming a better person. That’s probably the best way I could sum it up
Those are a couple movies of his that lasted. At the top of his career though he was churning out movies where he was like an arrogant witty guy putting down everything around him constantly. Hell, that’s the character in Scrooged and Groundhog Day too, it’s just those movies kind of require him to learn a lesson in them and in his lesser movies he just kind of cruises through
Think it.
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Cringe it.
On cinema is the most amazing show I’ve ever seen. It’s hilarious the universe he created is amazing. It’s nothing short of amazing how he was able to look at himself and construct basically the biggest idiot he could is genius Tim Heidecker is a complete and utter genius and if you don’t believe it, it’s because you haven’t seen it.
Howie doesn’t even need guests, he’s just going to talk over them all day anyway
“I was always distespected and made fun of”
“Im sure”
Hilarious diss
Lol I thought the same thing.
Police Academy? The movie is about a bunch of misfits who try to be cops and the movie makes fun of the police institution all the time. The heroes are only jerks to the authority (Captain Harris, Mouser, etc) and in the end they "save the day". Did he see the movies?
He's a liberal, he doesn't care about facts.
THINK IT. DREAM IT. DO IT.
lol loser, it's the end, just accept it....
You're not a sheep!
@@revelationreflection everybody are, specially his fans.
Why do people keep saying this?
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At what point in your life do you decide I'm going to wear sunglasses all the time
At some point between age 35 and 3 million dollars.
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I find Tim and Eric extremely hilarious but there is another aspect to their art which I really appreciate which is this really surreal world that exists in their comedy that is super unsettling, almost bordering on like a horror nightmare but then somehow has an endearing quality to it.
Does Eric still make comedy? Haven't heard from him in ages
Agree. Makes you think.
I’ve always thought about the venn diagram of comedy and horror and how certain elements of both might possibly tickle us in the same region of the brain. Maybe it’s that fear and laughter both relate to a panic response because they often relate to us feeling uncomfortable or misdirected, the responses to both feel like they’re part of the same system. This is probably what they unknowingly tap into in us that creates such a tug of war between what’s scary and what’s funny, or a particular blend of the two.
@@yugen He gets into it in the full episode. They still do stuff together all the time. The last show they did was beef house.
@@bidetbothways read Georges Bataille erotism, will blow your mind
"you can succeed if you're a jerk".... Gets world peace cancelled
Hes much more of a self righteous prick than an asshole, I prefer people who know they’re assholes
Yep
World peace ran its course
@@revelationreflection 1 season isn’t running its course
god how long are you guys gonna run with this.. I know you don't actually give a shit what actually happened but here it is:
Tim publicly said he didn't like the show. Adult Swim canceled the show because advertisers didn't want their stuff near it.
the show was canceled.
Sam Hyde blamed Tim and got all his little lame followers to go after him.
Adult Swim has canceled *multiple* Heidecker projects. he doesn't have anywhere near the power to dictate what they do or don't cancel. let it go and stop bitching. MDE was nowhere near as funny as you guys think it was, you just salivated because it pushed into some racist territory. .
When you have movies like bill Murray in then you can’t lose
Glad they spent at least a little time talking about movies! 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
5 bags and a little plastic old timey pocket watch from captain hook
* REAL BUFFHEAD SPOTTED *
3 bags of soda and 3 bags of popcorn
I don’t know if you can say that 80’s comedy’s, relative to 80’s right wing politics, are on the same wave length
textbook example of a beta male virtue signaling
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s a CYA lefty in Hollywood.
It's almost like he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about
@@andystegall7407 agreed. I think he’s letting his Twitter personality take over here
@@yrrej9696 This whole video was garbage and I'm upset for watching it because it wasted my time.
"The lovable asshole" was not a trope because the right wing establishment wanted to brainwash people into being assholes lol, that's just an inherently interesting character archetype. A character being able to get the audience on their side, despite being objectively not a great person, is just the mark of an engaging and charismatic personality. There's just something inherently compelling about guys who are able to be cool while flagrantly not caring about what other people think. But apparently that's "right wing" now?
He was getting to Police Academy and I think got off track... yes, Police Academy was basically right wing. Being a curmudgeon is a defining trait of Trump fans so it is now right wing as well. Tim’s right wing character is an asshole.
Tim's thought here is very much in line with a lot of woke attitudes about art in general. The idea that art should necessarily be didactic, performing a social function of instructing people how to think and behave, that art should always have some kind of "positive moral" to it. There's an implicit assumption in it that people are too dumb to think for themselves and need to be taught what to think by their betters. This paternalistic kind of thinking is ultimately death to actual free creative expression and artistic greatness.
It's like how in the Soviet Union they actively suppressed artists who weren't sufficiently in line with the "correct" sociopolitical ideology, or even just artists perceived as politically ambiguous/apolitical.
But Tim is the typical cuckhold white guy, thats why the Jewish media loves him
Tim never said it was because of the “right wing establishment” lmao. He said that that style of comedy is emboldening right wingers. Big difference, and it’s driven solely by the fact that people enjoy watching it.
@@TheCAPSLOCKrage How the fuck does it embolden right wingers? Thats so incredibly stupid.
Fun Fact: Tim Heidecker's role in "Eastbound and Down" is 100% based on his real life.
"My testosterone is very low"
So sawft, so low energy. He couldn't hang in my neighborhood. That's for sure!
For someone commenting negatively on Tim a lot you sure do seem to know a bunch about things he's been in lmao. Obsessed?
So he plays an untalented comedian trying to gate keep better up and coming comedians?
@@roundabout468 naw lil homie. I'm not chasing Timmy, Timmy keeps popping up in my world... bunch of my homies were on the Wilmington production crew for east bound (one of the few truly inspired comedies) casting agent (Allison?) is a genius
Tim has a good point, remember how in Ghostbusters the EPA were the villains? The good guys were the ones printing money with their backstrapped unlicensed nuclear accelerators
Well yeah because the EPA represented 'the man' - it represented the government, it represented the establishment. It represented red-tape and order - rules and regulations that stiffle good work and creativity.
Although the Ghostbusters were pseudo-scientists they could be be considered the counter culture, the underdogs wanting to help rid the community of ghosts. Were they indulging in a little fame and seeking some fortune, yes. But they weren't bad people.
It's still not a right-wing take. Perhaps many right-wingers might share the sentiments against the EPA but the EPA was more than that. Like I said, they represented the man. Ghostbusters could be seen as very left-leaning by all other accounts. I also think people forget that left leaning people can and will share and have overlap with those on the right. And that overlap on either side doesn't inherhently make either the oppossite.
The government are the good guys? Wonder who you're voting for haha
EPA? You mean the thing Nixon did?
@@dirtymike1274 there's no good guys and bad guys. You know that, right? There's just...a bunch of guys. " wOndEr whO yUoRe VoTInG fOr"
@@oophorror2251 sure
Those 80s comedies were all anti-establishment. Funny he brings up Police Academy. That’s a film about regular everyday people entering and changing a system. All of Bill Murray’s movies are this basic conceit.
If Tim can’t recognize this it might be because he is part of the establishment now. Every late night host proudly displays their politics, which is fine. That’s their choice. But it’s all uniform at this point.
Its not fine. This left-wing bubble in entertainment absolutely sucks.
@@andystegall7407 Reality has a liberal bias
You really think that was the message of Police Academy? It was a stupid teen comedy with obligatory 80's T&A.
The recruits didnt *change* the system. They BECAME the system.
@@Teeveepicksures More like liberals believe in a biased reality.
@@Teeveepicksures left wing and liberal aren’t the same thing.
Who was Tim referring to in Police academy as being the rewarded asshole?
If he’s talking about Mahoney then that’s nothing new and quite classic comedy, so much so that cartoons parodied it e.g. Tom and Jerry, Coyote and the roadrunner, woody woodpecker etc…
I think he was just talking about the over the top machismo douche archetype being rewarded in 80s movies. His examples are a bit off though. He does not like Bill Murray for some reason, but Bill seems like he was probably one of the more enlightened comedic actors of the 80s. He did do that Hunter Thompson movie, and Razor's edge.
@@hurkamur1 The razors edge was most certainly not written by Hunter S. Thompson. You are thinking of the film "where the Buffalo roam"
@@nickgreen2905 Yes, I know this, I own copies of the entirety of Hunter Thompson's published work. Where did I imply that he wrote razor's edge?
Kind of a weird take considering a lot of Tim & Eric skits involved Tim being a jerk to Eric (and/or the extras) and getting away with it. In fact, Key and Peele was mostly like that too, with Key being the punching bag.
they also made fun of mentally challenged people on tim and eric a pretty good amount
Donald trump broke his brain he’s a wierdo
Yeah, he's gone down the politics drain. He's invested in it, so it's hard to see him changing but he's in the class with people who steer every thought into something connected to someone they hate. People blamed everything on bush for a while. Then Obama. Then trump. The man is a hammer who only sees red and blue nails at this point.
@@Jesse-fk3xca pretty good amount, but not nearly enough
He's a big fan of stuff like Alan Partridge and Spinal Tap. Tim's characters and universes are parodies. That's how you can use that humor while putting down real life assholes at the same time.
There's also a difference between absurd T&E stuff that is ambiguous and walks a fine line and straight up stupid right wing humor that punches down.
It never occurred to me that Carrot Top had an actual first or last name. Huh, Scott? Never would’ve guessed.
So which is it; Is Scott his first or last name? So his name is either Scott Carrot Top or Carrot Top Scott. It's strange he'd drop the one normal sounding name for his public persona.
Scott Thompson.
You should listen to the Opie and Anthony show/clip where Patrice O’ Neal googles his name in front of him. He did the same thing to Gallagher too.
RIP Patrice
Is it just me or are a disproportionate amount of redheads named "Scott"? I guess... Scotch. Makes sense
@@defaultusername123 Scott Thompson, isn’t one of the Kids in the Hall also named Scott Thompson?
This is a great episode for Bobby's World-heads. At five minutes and thirty nine seconds, it's not the longest clip on TH-cam, but it's a good one.
Tim and Eric feels like having a hilarious fever dream.
I love it!
Wow, unexpected comment section. I think Tim was just making a point about the style of comedy that was common in the 80s, but people really took it personally lol
There's definitely movies in the 80s that he could have pointed out but Police Academy was the opposite of that the assholes always lost in those movies, and they were diverse
Then you havent been to a comment section before. Comedy is victim of the times so those who care about it do take it personally but so does tim and that's fine. It's being a douche about it that makes it annoying. But I actually think this is a personal thing for Tim and is one of the many reasons he took the path he did. I disagree with him but whatev.
@@ryangalinat952 no kidding. And assholes can be funny because they are blunt and tell the truth. "Its funny cause its true", yadda yadda...assholes overlap with comedy more than he thinks.
@@anthonynunyabizness9989 That's true. I haven't been to a comment section before.
Revenge of the Nerds is another one that sort of champions legitimately unethical behavior. I think it's still allowed to be funny, but it's important to acknowledge that it's objectionable behavior.
Tims pissed when has to pretend somethings funny just to keep the podcast moving along, his eyes are so expressive
Ayn Rand inspired Reaganism was the philosophy of that era, so it came through in every big movie one way or another, especially comedies.
The will of individual men, jerks or not, against the state and fate itself, on a mission to get rich and successful, was the theme in almost every comedy.
Practically pointing this out to Zemeckis was the reason Crispin Glover wasn't in Back To The Future 2.
which is why that era of movies is so cringeworthy nobody cares or watches them anymore lol
@@gulf_dado_apoc agreed! Ghostbusters was pure right wing propaganda trash
@@MarvinMonroe 🤨
@@MarvinMonroe What propaganda? Any putz can set up his own ghost hunting business? Any schmuck can refuse the advances of a possessed woman?
ayn rand was also just bad at prose
I take exception to the idea that Bill Murray's characters are rewarded for being assholes. Scrooged, Ground Hog Day, What About Bob, Rushmore, even as far back as Stripes; his characters might start out as assholes, but redeem themselves at the end of the movie. Chevy Chase movies on the other hand, the Fletch character, and Vacation movies had many sequels based on his characters never changing. You want Clark Griswald to flip out and loose it every movie. Or you want Fletch to try some sneaky disguise and get into some crazy situation.
Tim is completely wrong about this. Think back to all those Bill Murray movies he starred in from the 80s and even up until today: they had redemption arcs. He was rewarded by CHANGING. Police Academy was about a bunch of misfits who wouldn't ever normally be allowed to serve as cops but were able to pull together to save the day. Tim's politics have clouded his mind. If he wants an example of a lead character being rewarded for being an asshole or a "bully", look at Larry David in "Curb Your Enthusiasm" (one of the funniest shows ever). Larry doesn't "learn" or "grow". He's just a douche and him saying out loud what others are thinking but are too afraid to say in social situations makes us laugh and love that character. And that character is as Left Wing as they come. But in the end, why even try to attach politics to everything? That's part of what is ruining modern day comedy.
Well said, Tim lost the plot a long time ago unfortunately.
They're flimsy redemption arcs though, most of the characters still exhibit the most of their douchebag behaviours like being lazy, shameless sleazebags even into the sequels of the films that got them.
But there's still redemption arcs. I think it's unfair to judge how serious a redemption arc should be in a comedy. As far as sequels, they're just remaking that redemption arc. That's usually why they suck.@@beowulf1417
@@SecretsOfStandupComedy it's not about being serious it's about providing depth and committing to the concept which those films don't. They are the some of the shallowest examples of the redemption arc trope. Coming to America is a great example from that particular era of comedies of getting it right. That you don't realise this and went out of your way to say they covered the trope speaks volumes to what Tim is getting at, most viewers like yourself don't even realise the inadvertent message you were consuming and thus see nothing wrong with the behaviours it has enabled in some people.
Also these guys are playing lovable jerks most of the time. They are still endearing and the comedy comes from them being dicks when you think they wouldn’t. Think Bad Santa.
think it, dream it, do it
I knew I hated tim heidecker but for him to diss 80s comedy, which was fucking great; that's going to far
dude he’s so intertwined in politics he’s absolutely sick with anger
For real. He doesn't even look well here. Dead-eyed and miserable.
@@tuanjim799he is getting old, not everyone ages like wine
He still gets calls on his shows being trolled dude is bitter
Its sad to see
I've been a fan of his comedy but he is a miserable pr!ck in real life, and his beliefs are disgusting.
I really enjoy most of Heidecker's output but he always comes across in interviews as rather morose, like the cliche of the comedian who is miserable off stage
@John Gotti has Heidecker been through such harsh experiences?
@John Gotti I think his moroseness is likely just his personality.
@John Gotti if most comedians have gone through the "worst shit" then how come 98% of them are more enjoyable to listen to in these scenarios than Tim is?
I think when you work really hard on comedy its hard to have to go on podcast and pretend somethings funny just to help push along some rich dudes podcast.
@@Enoughsenoughnomas so don't go on said podcast then....
You can see when Tim talks about Right wing comedy. He’s thinking about Sam Hyde and hoping it doesn’t get brought up.
He is absolutely obsessed with Sam Hyde. It's so fucking strange.
Sam is a spectre over their lives, its hilarious
That hidden face on his sleeve when he puts his arm up at 3:30 😳
Damn!
I always liked Tim, but I’m not sure about the “right wing” comedy comment he made about the 1980’s. What about Revenge of the Nerds, One Crazy Summer, Back to School, Back to the Future, etc. The bully always loses. Even in Police Academy, the underdogs won. I think he needs to take off the woke blinders so he can see reality more clearly.
“I haven’t really thought this through” then maybe don’t spew your shitty opinion on a podcast
I think what Tim really means when he says right wing is more that a lot of those comedies were these white dudes who were "finally saying what we're all thinking!!" and in the end they always get the girl and yadda yadda yada
@@boppob1343 that's just classic 80s movies, he's insane
@@boppob1343 how does it feel to hate yourself so much?
Actually, the girls in Revenge of the Nerds faced zero reckoning, though that would just be an example of left-wing "assholes" anyways.
Think it dream it do it
The Peter Pan comparison made zero sense. Secondly, what does Bill Murray or Police Squad (and other old comedies) have anything to do with being "right wing"? Plenty of modern comedies and films reward a-holes constantly.
How does Heidecker associate that with right wing? Because it isn't inherently left-wing?
Yep. That's how liberals minds work. They're mentally diseased.
comedy by being a jerk involves a lot of punching down and exclusion, that fits the conservative discourse way better than the liberals'
Oh yeah, liberals NEVER punch down or exclude anyone, right? Nobody at all. Unless you're a straight white male...@@Martykun36
@@Martykun36 LOL
Why does everything have to be right or left?
“I haven’t fully thought this out.”
No. No you haven’t.
Criticizing movies with characters that “succeed as a jerk and a bully” - the guy who helped get MDE’s tv show canceled.
Did that make sense to you when you wrote it?
@@Teeveepicksures yea, but I can see how it could be confusing to someone who only knows half of the words.
Aside from neither of those things being remotely related, the difference is Heidecker sometimes *acts* as a regressive idiot whereas Hyde *is* a regressive idiot.
I'd be on your side if that was ever actually proven. I personally don't find Tim Heidecker particularly funny, but Sam was never able to actually prove that Tim had anything to do with World Peace being cancelled. And besides that point Sam Hyde is an Alt Right grifter who only maintains any sort of relevance by purposely saying and doing things to flame libs and leftists. It's oddly boring and a little sad at this point. Sam lost his show because he's a loud intimidating asshole and the little weak man babies at adult swim couldn't take that kind of energy. I think Sam would find much greater success with a little humility, but unfortunately he's been playing a character and grifting for so long he's actually become the person he originally portrayed as a joke. It's like Alex Jones all over again he's completely lost the plot.
@@Bob-ux3iv Tim was the only person with ANY pull who expressed outrage at the show existing. And he encouraged his audience to do something about it. Those are both facts. And I don't care about your views on any one of the MDE guy's politics. There was nothing wrong with that show. Anybody should be allowed to make any art they want and have it judged on it's own merits. And what Sam and Nick are doing now clearly has much greater appeal than Tim's output so maybe you just find it boring. Which is fine.
Eric Wareheim is very Peter Pan-esque
Never really thought of these old movies as right wing or left wing. What's up with Timmy?
He can only think of things in a political binary because he's boring and can only feel something when he's fucked up
Political hack
@@LethalWeapon369 aww, his opinion got you triggered?
@@vogelvogeltje no I hate right wing comedy even more. For sure not triggered, just think politics are fuckin gay!
He says himself that he's struggling to come up with the right terminology because he hasn't considered it deeply enough, I think I understood his point of view though.
If you look at a lot of the old comedy movies, it's not even that they aren't PC- some are actively homophobic, transphobic and racist at points.
Now that it isn't as popular and normalised to treat other people that way anymore, you can see a clear shift within media reflecting that change.
I don't think what he meant was that old comedy movies had a political agenda or were considering themselves right-wing.
The point I think Tim was getting at is simply that as we have progressed socially so has our media, and a lot of our old media reflects attitudes and opinions of the time which would be considered right-wing today.
“The universe. What a concept” killz me weekly
"I haven't fully thought this out."
Howie is right, Tims universe is so funny to people who are already steeped in comedy and value it more than most things in the world. The satire isn't as accessible as like Christopher Guest movies but you invest in On Cinema it's on the same level.
Vics mic has been a bit for a while, but I love the full face blockage! Rock it man!
Which is why I love groundhog Day so much. Phil Connors only gets rewarded once he becomes a good person
'Our ironic bad stuff we write out then play to tell jokes is TOTALLY different than their ironic bad stuff they embody personas of to tell jokes.'
Not to mention that half of T&Es comedy is using let's say "neuro atypical" actors for comedic effect. That's much more problematic than Bill Murray being snarky to rich people and government officials. I love everything he's done since Tom Goes to the Mayor but damn does Tim need to take a break from whichever echo-chamber he's been hanging out in.
lmfao people are so mad
Ha good point.
@@Matt-pc5cd he’s half playing a character in his own echo chamber within several other echo chambers at this point.
@@Matt-pc5cd
Damn, yeah I didn't even think of that. Them using a bunch of autists for comedy fodder does not age very well through the lens of all this woke shit lol.
I liked it when Howie Mandell starting begging at the end to work with them. That was tbe best part.
Kind of ironic how heidecker is commenting about right wing comedy when his comedy use to go slightly that direction. Firing Sam Hyde who he deemed right wing and saying a person being mean is just a right wing. What a hypocrite.
Either I had a stroke reading this, or you had a stroke writing it.
@@ShuffleboardJerk latter
Sam Hyde donated $5,000 to the legal defense fund of a guy who runs the most well known Neo Nazi website, The Daily Stormer. So in this case, we really are talking about (extreme) right wing asshole comedy.
@@superdupermcgee thanks for the concern Karen
@@everydaybodybuilding2282 You're welcome.
4:22 - Tim, it’s not resetting the microwave time, it’s setting the time on the VCR!
It's weird how Tim chooses to play a psycho in all of these things he has written but always acts the same way in interviews. It's almost like he's not playing a character
He doesn't act the same way in interviews. There are a few interviews out there where he's normal. Most interviews though he's playing a character. Much like how Norm Macdonald, Tom Green, Gilbert Gottfried always played characters in interviews
@@raph6931 shhhh he doesn’t disagree with those guys politically so it’s fine
@@TrueGamer22887 lmao
That is literally Tim’s character in comedy. And Bill wasn’t a dick to just be a dick. He often played a jaded or disgruntled man, who then learns his lesson by the end of the film.
I would class things like American Pie and the more irreverent Will Ferrel movies from the 2000’s as having some of that same vibe Tim’s talking about at the beginning
Ferrel and the likes characters are more lovable idiots that sometimes can be jerks . The jerk isn’t the main push of the characters for most of them. Same with any seth regen, Steve carrell, Jason segel etc. I’d say Sandler fits the bill better
And the ironic thing, those are the movies that liberals love the most.
Tim is drunk and he watches too much CNN.
literally didn't even know Howie Mandel is considered a comedian. He's just the bald goofy dressed suitcase dude
I would watch normal size monsters if you guys made it!!
"MF'rs just wanna laugh" - Harris Wittels
Dumb. The movies Tim is referring to were all made by left of center guys and are anti-authoritarian in nature, though not usually explicitly political. Underdogs using their wits to get over on the more powerful.
I've gotten a headache, trying to put Police Academe as "Right Wing" .
True right wing isn't funny
It doesn't portray police as minority killing psychopaths therefore it's right wing
See that's the thing though...is Bill Murray really an underdog? In ghostbusters, he's always the smartest or coolest guy in the room and always has the best lines. Yes the script tries making the EPA big and domineering (nothing right-wing to see here at all) but the underdog status never feels remotely earned in his character. He behaves with maximum entitlement the whole way through. But anyway I know Ghostbusters is some kind of sacred holy text to aging nerds so this is me pointing this out is probably whistling dixie
@@tonyk421pro cop are you kidding me
It’s a take on the American comedic character: Will Rogers, Buggs Bunny, Eddie Murphy, etc. It can be done well or it can miss the mark.
Sam Hyde has become the new Tim, and Tim has become the new Steven Colbert.
Dear god, please not that nazi. Someone who mentions that THAT often is clearly an antisemite, let alone donates to stormfront, a nazi website.
100%
I don't remember Tim needing to stay relevant by riding on Steven Colbert's coattails but there we go...
Right wing, Left wing? A bird needs both to fly.
I’ve thought a lot about what Tim is touching on. It’s the Karen mantality. The characters in those shows have a sense of entitlement. They treat “lower” people (ie waiters, hosts, mechanics, other service providers) terribly because they feel entitled to do so based on their perceived superiority to them. And they are rewarded for it. Think Kevin’s parents in the Home Alone movies who threaten and punish police, flight attendants, hospitality workers, etc for their own failures and are rewarded for it.
lol, I want you to maintain your high regard for Tim. So please, whatever you do, don't watch his 2012 film, "The Comedy."
@@Brandon-tk2rw The Comedy is class, it's not a comedy directly but it aims at the right targets
@@itsgeegra nope "comedy" is gaye like you and all comedians.
@@Brandon-tk2rw You completely missed the point because the whole film "The Comedy" is a satire, precisely betraying people at their worst, as a kind of metanarrative on characters in films in general. So The Comedy would be a GOOD film to watch, precisely to understand this point.
@@josephedwards4325 definition of defending sh*tty art in the name of pretentiousness
It is weird seeing Tim having a straight conversation.
Wow. I have newfound respect for carrot top after this video.
Who would’ve ever thought Howie was so tapped in
🌎🌎HAPPY WORLD DADDY 🌎 🌎
Loved that they mentioned little monsters!
Trying to wrap my head around Tim Heidecker defending Carrot Top.
You ever seen carrot’s act?
"Peter Pan was an asshole kidnapping kids and was rewarded."
Ummm, no he wasn't. He was just showing them an dreamworld.
Not unlike Mr. Conductor from Shining Time Station.
And the kids were also allready dead
Tim doesn't know anything😂
Wasn’t the original story like that though? Like didn’t he kidnap kids?
He was saving them from the adult world that neglected them in childhood and then expected them to grow up (quite literally feeding them to the wolves/crocodiles of passing time)
....I don't think that was a point for serious discussion
The book is super clear that Peter Pan is a dick and that Wendy is the hero.
Think it dream it do it…
Format your brain
I genuinely want to see Normal Sized Monsters
What Bill Murray movies include him getting rewarded for bad behavior?
Most of them. He plays a lovable asshole, that's his schtick.
What about Bob?
Where The Buffalo Roam
Ghostbusters. Sigourney Weaver is clearly not interested in him for almost the entire film and he keeps harassing her. However, I still love the movie. Few movies age gracefully. Even stuff coming out right now will seem incredibly dated in a decade. That's just a fact of life. Media always reflects the culture of the time, for better or worse.
Nah, tons and tons of movies age gracefully. That’s why people use the phrase “timeless classic.” Also some movies are way ahead of their time and and can feel completely relevant and fresh watching then now. Other movies don’t even become popular until years after their release. Maybe you need to just seek out better shit. Will a movie like get out feel “incredibly dated” in ten years? I doubt it. Also why are sequels made years later successful? Your theory doesn’t hold up.
who would have guessed that tim is so fond of african americans that he moved to the hood. respect! i thought he's more of a gated community type of guy
I think Tim is funny but the guy is so smug it’s nauseating.
its spelled smudge moron. no more bullshit
Am I missing a joke? Smug? Seriously?
Yea well you WOULD think that. Pft.
You may be confusing him with a character he plays. He often plays a fictionalized version of himself.
Tim Hedeicker murdered 21 kids with a tainted vape system, as well as his own son, Tom Cruise Junior. Yeah, Id say that's pretty smug!
I do think a lot of audiences misinterpret Bill Murray. First, he was never a jerk to minorities - only to people in power (mayors, rich stiffs, etc.), second, his "jerk" qualities were his flaws. In Ghostbusters he comes on way to strong to Dana and is super annoying initially, but when he finds her possessed he doesn't take advantage of the situation because he actually cares. He even apologizes to Jeanine the one time he makes an actually mean comment ("the bug eyes"). You can even see this in George Carlin's act - he behaves like an asshole, while saying the most un-asshole things. The problem was most Americans particularly because they were conservative could never get past the surface level of these characters. Really more of an indictment of us, than it was of them.
Another important thing to note: Almost all of Bill Murray's characters either started out poor and on the brink, or were just fired. Scrooged and Groundhog's Day being the exceptions.
Tim is reaching and drunk.
That Peter Pan point was really interesting.
It's funny that she only repeated the premise of the original novel. The Disney version most people know if pretty bastardized
Turkington esque film knowledge
I give it four bags of popcorn and an Amber Alert.@@TrueGamer22887
Hook had the kids as basically slaves on his ship...so
No one is saying it wasnt hot
@@wilmcl9209 ‘dicey dicey’ 😂
The Tim/Howie collaboration should be just Tim shaking Howie’s hand over and over and over…
When he said he hasn't thought this through... he was right lol
The idea that assholes being rewarded for being assholes is a great insight, but his flaw is that the right wing has a monopoly on assholes. Tim is a hyper progressive/champagne socialist though so it makes sense. Trump Talkin Nukes IS a great song but then the woke turn around and scream Biden needs to bomb the shit out of Putin. They are legitimately crazy people.
Nice to see Douggpound
People who are extremely left leaning always amaze me saying things like art emboldened certain ideology. I really think that they believe that they are above people and most of the population are just impressionable idiots.
And I'm saying being a left leaning person myself.
But it's actually true that most of the population are just impressionable idiots (in the U.S., at least).
@@MiqelDotCom smh youre exactly who people in small town USA complain about, just an out of touch, pretentious elitist.
@@MarleyBM199 lol, it has nothing to do with population density or political beliefs. Human brans are just faulty, we have crappy memory, we're prone to make errors, to believe in various type of ghosts, and susceptible to mass delusions.
@@MiqelDotCom yes all the people in this nation are sheep except for you. Excuse me for questioning you oh enlightened one, you are Neo in the Matrix my friend
@@MarleyBM199 You might want to re-read the comment if you think I'm excluding myself from the critique. You're being kind of hyperbolic.
I liked it better when Tim only did interviews in character. When I didn't know about his woke politics.
Tim doesn't need you to like him. He happens to be best friends with his wife's bf
He has a trans kid. He’s brave.
I doubt many standup comedy fans under 40 would know Howie used to do standup 🤔
MDE Never dies.
MDE died on December 5th, 2016
@@razzledazzle7863 And MDE 2 will be born
WORLD PEACE 2 IS BACK
While I respect the hell out of eric I actually do not agree with his view of the "bill murray" style comedy we grew up with. Dont know why I'm even commenting about it but I really do love and admire both realms of comedy. Tim and eric pushed the boundaries of comedy but we dont live on the boundaries in my opinion. On the other side of it, the "played out" sitcom tropes come from the fact stories over history boil down to only a handful of character archetypes and what not. The context changes but our dreams and ambitions dont.
@@Idolhands7007 not sure what you mean.
@@anthonynunyabizness9989 damn wrong comment
I always saw it as Murray movies he’s eventually learning a lesson and becoming a changed man. It’s the Chevy Chase movies where he stays the same goofy ass throughout the entire movie. Love most of both of their work.
@@louieo.blevinsmusic2011 true that. Chevy is more of the likeable idiot trope where as Murray is the straight ass but like you said learns a humbling lesson. Except for Ghostbusters. He didnt really learn anything at the end of Ghostbusters.
Tim Heidecker worked to get a comedian's show cancelled...because he did not like this comedian's edgy style of comedy. Think about it, this guy made it his mission to prevent another comedian from earning money. Tims funny and makes great content but having to resort to Karen mode and "talk to the manager" made me lose all respect for him.
Which comedian are you referring to? I haven’t heard this before so I’m curious!
@@Garlicbredqueen Sam Hyde
@@Garlicbredqueen he campaigned to get World Peace cancelled from AdultSwim because the guys who made it were right wing. He literally told all his fans to contact Turner and ask that they remove the show
Ah shut the fuck up with the Sam Hyde whiteknight shit. Sam infers shit all the time about who wrongs him, he's a projecting insecure pussy
@@ardiberen pretty sure tim did one of his podcasts and suggested viewers to contact adult swim if they wanted something cancelled. He was playing coy but it was obvious what he was alluding to.
So, as someone who’s done standup, I can tell you that writing a hack joke is hard if you’re doing it against your nature, and only because you just want to start making some money.
Uh…no
maybe you’re just not that skillful at your craft lol
if its not easy ot probably isnt hack
"I haven't fully thought this out." "-Peter Pan-"
Commmeddddy
Tim & Eric was the shit
Watch On Cinema.... it's amazing.
and now Tim is just Shit.
@@Novastar6 I really want to like it. Tim turned into such a POS in real life I can't enjoy anything he makes anymore. I gave it a chance too. Greg is funnier. Tim actually lost his funny.
@@ZeranZeran When/how did Tim become a piece of shit in real life?
@@ZeranZeran tim is cool. I like his politics. But i don’t care for the comedy of his show. I don’t “get” it because its the kind of comedy thats weird on purpose
This explains so much about when he saw MDE and said to shut it down
I heard his whole argument with Sam Hyde. Came across like a pretentious asshole.
I mean I really don't think he has dictatorial control over Adult Swim, even if his opinions might be strongly considered.
Imagine being in a room and non ironically having a conversation like this…..jesus, tim
Out of touch
Yes you couldn't
The epitome of pretentious, overinflated ego-driven liberals sucking each other off.
There are adults, and then there are adults that use Disney movies to make arguments.
except that Peter Pan isnt just a Disney movie and what she is describing im assuming she took from the book, which its actually very accurate to it
WTF is "Alt-Right Comedy"?
@Gurtius Maximus, have you seen my Hairbrush?🥒🍅🍇
Taking pepe and photoshoping a swastika onto his arm and waiting until buzzfeed makes and article about it then laughing on 4chan about tricking them
@@ANTIStraussian sounds like a prank, not comedy
remember when tim got a show cancelled because he was afraid of losing his limelight to someone better than him
you referring to the show by the no-talent nazi wanker?
I do
Yeah right. Sam Hyde is a loser and a total failure.
Lmao mde is not a threat to t&e... Please
No lol
Is Tim's entire On Cinema schtick not based on the asshole of assholes being rewarded for being an asshole? I guess the irony and parody of it all shows the genius of Tim. Zero Hour is coming any day!