If NASCAR didn’t completely muck with the championship system (and edwards landed on a team like Gibbs instead of Roush for his entire career), he’d have been at least a 2x champion. And in better equipment, probably more. The results of his career are a complete travesty. Not to mention horrible luck in his final race cost him a championship.
Either way, if he screws up that bad he obviously just won because the other guys in f1 made more. I guess nascar drivers are just better at not making mistakes which makes them much faster. When you actually have competition with the same car it's all about the drivers.
@@23GreyFox is it? Look at F1 drivers going to NASCAR, isn’t as easy as it looks. Butt of the jokes, but every top series racing driver is seriously talented. Give the guy credit, he smashed the 7 time champ
@An angry jimmie Johnson fan They have COTA, Charlotte RC, Daytona RC, Sonoma, the Glen, Indy RC, and Road America. So they have 7. Plenty of Road Courses
NASCAR has some TRUE heavyweights, Carl Edwards being one of them. Its kind of depressing how the announcers are so partial to Schumacher, whenever our guys talk about F1 there is never any negativity.
Always loved Cousin Carl. Dude had a ton of talent, saw him win in Charlotte and Darlington the same year i think it was 2015... I stopped watching when he left nascar.
This video is for everyone who says nascar drivers are untalented. All professional drivers in all series are extremely talented, don't underestimate them!
@@isaacgarcia2933 3rd in f2 until the last round was 5th overall , with 3 wins if you count ones without penalties , i see your one of the repeat sheep in the f1 community , look at how well mick is doing now by the way hehe
It's just hilarious hearing these commentators completely underestimate and write off Edwards and then oh shit, he won? You mean he beat the "mighty Schumacher?" Epic.
Dirt is for the men of men. While f1 drivers run good laps, tarmac is easy af after tearing ass on dirt as a kid. They usually learn on karts over there, and they’re used to working with WAYYY more grip. NASCAR’s talent level is so under appreciated!
Lol. It a 2 Lao fn race. If it wax 50 Laos it would be a different result. Or eveh if they races 2 Laps 10 times. Ita like taking someone who did a faster lap than MS in f1 once means he's faster
When it comes to the world's best drivers at the top of their respective racing disciplines racing in absolutely identical cars, anything can happen. The enjoyable part of this video is the smug commentators who never gave Edwards a chance until he was coasting it home and even then they though Schumacher made a colossal error that nobody saw.
As an ex nascar fan who agrees with you, after I actually watched an f1 race unlike you probably ever have, I found dit is much more entertaining, yes nascar just goes in circles
i like how for the vast majority of the beginning of the video the commentators are looking for excuses to why schumacher is losing, and questioning the driving skills of edwards on corners
C moore it's a joke mate Michael Schumacher is not a god by any means he's a bloke who happens to be one of the most ambitious and prolific f1 champion of all time but he isn't a god so don't kiss his ass either m8
C moore Sour much... Now i really wish he would've done his signature backflip because of your sour ass... Might i add, NASCAR drivers might just be more fit and conditioned than f1 drivers.. You don't see any f1 driver pull off that type of athleticism... 😂😂😂 -An F1 fan. Better yet, a RACING fan
Haha they're just so amazed that Carl beat Michael. "This is something that NONE of us were expecting... Michael MUST have done a mistake somewhere along the way."
"Michael must Have made a mistake somewhere" ... Bitch NASCAR ISN'T EASY!!!! Just because there are mostly ovals doesn't mean anything. They also push to the absolute limit just like any other motorsport..
yup, that means David Coulthard > Carl Edwards, bcs edwards got smoked by coulthard by miles in the next round. Even after Coulthard crashed, Edwards couldnt catch him lol 😂
A lot of Europeans overlook the fact that NASCAR had a couple of very technical road courses on the schedule back then, and several more today. It's not as though these guys don't have any experience turning right. On top of that, Carl Edwards has a level of intensity and fiery-ness about him that to me always seemed indicative of a greater will to win than most of his competitors. His demeanor and intensity reminded me of F1 greats like Senna or Mansell. You can guarantee he was driving his heart out here.
Big wakeup call for these commentators that maybe oval tracks are far more difficult than they appear to be and that NASCAR drivers deserve as much respect as the rest of the racing world.
I can't find the comment, but someone recently wrote that he has yet to see a NASCAR or Indy car driver ever come and win a Formula 1 championship. My reply is that you're probably too young to remember, but Mario Andretti won in both NASCAR (the 1967 Daytona 500) and in Indy cars (the 1969 Indianapolis 500 and many others, and championships before 1970). He also won the 12 Hours of Sebring, a Pikes Peak hill climb (back when the road was largely unpaved and the runoff areas, while generous, had severe drops in altitude) and a USAC Dirt Track championship in 1974 as well. All of this happened prior to his 1978 F1 Driver's Championship with Lotus. And though born in Italy, he only learned to drive once his family had relocated to Nazareth, PA. So yes, there was one.
I remembered Villeneuve after I wrote the comment. I must have been thinking of American drivers only, as Villeneuve most certainly did win the Indy 500 and a CART Championship before heading off to win in Formula 1. I can't help but think his career would have been better had he not gone off into the wastelands with BAR Honda.
Aidan Millward Any racer can win f1 wdc in a dominant team like what Villenueve did at Williams in 97 and after that he dissapeared from the front grid.
If Carl Edwards a should be 2 time NASCAR champion with 23 wins can beat Michael Schumacher, a driver with 91 wins and 7 champions then that does say something about NASCAR drivers abilities
MrLewisbate I hate to say it, but when a driver makes a one off start in a different series, in most cases, the NASCAR driver had found success in majority of their starts as in the open wheel guys come over and hardly can compete, Mario and partially Montoya being an exception, shoot even Carmichael and Pastrana couldn’t even hack it and Pastrana has been successful across multiple sports. I’m not saying NASCAR drivers are “better” but driving a 3,500lb car at 180 through corners and developing that car control benefits them so much more when they go to these other sports, because in F1 the car you’re practically driving a computer. NASCAR you are the computer so I feel that it helps those drivers on the long run when they develop that sense of feel for a vehicle and what it’s doing.
@@23GreyFox I’m a Huge fan of both F1 and NASCAR. NASCAR drivers now have to drive 6-9 road courses, 4-5 super speedway tracks, a ton of short track ovals and now a dirt race. They are becoming the most versatile drivers in the world at this point. I have no doubt that the likes of Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson could have been successful in F1. I do doubt that some F1 drivers could make NASCAR work for them though. F1 drivers are amazing, but I always get put off about their claim that they are the “best in the world.” I think they are SOME of the best in the world. NASCAR has some of the best too.
okay lets not get too carried away lol, they are each have their own "fast" racing styles around a circuit and edwards was absolutely rapid in this scenario, with these cars and this track.
Also, Montoya was extremely aggressive and made many mistakes but he was one of the most naturally talented drivers that the series has ever seen. You will hear that from announcers and many other drivers. He was probably the fastest guy on early laps before the heat is all the way in the tires.
I love all the assholes in the comment section comparing NASCAR and F1. Two different series with two different race cars (stock cars and open wheel) with two different race types (oval and road course, although NASCAR races at Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Road America, Mid Ohio, Mosport, etc. depending on the series) with different driving styles. I'm a NASCAR fan. I've never really gotten into F1. But like your F1. I don't care. You CAN'T compare them as long as they are SO SO SOOOOO different.
Personally, I enjoy both series, along with pretty much anything on wheels that I come across. They are all different, and they all have their good points. Besides, even if drivers have their favorites, they still appreciate how difficult a completely different discipline really is. Juan Pablo wouldn't have gone into NASCAR and stayed for years if he hadn't liked and enjoyed it, and Daniel Ricciardo picked his number 3 because he was a big time Dale Earnhardt fan (and the number is even styled after the Richard Childress Racing no. 3 that Dale drove for so long). Any boasting and whining about different racing series is the problem of the fans, not the drivers.
I would like to point out that Juan Pablo Montoya, an accomplished F1 and Indycar driver, had two wins in his entire NASCAR career. One each at NASCAR's road course races. No oval wins. He will sadly be most remembered for hitting the jet dryer in the Daytona 500, more than any stock car success. These guys think they can come over and win. Fact is, so far, they haven't even been remotely successful.
how many f1 drivers where in nascar not that much if there where more f1 drivers in nascar for sure the will win races but thats vice versa take a good nascar driver put him in a good f1 car and he could win races also both sides of the world have great talent
I would think that two wins in a form of motorsports so completely different from that of Formula 1 is successful in itself, especially while running for a team that wasn't at the top of the game. He actually won three NASCAR races, the two Cup road courses and the second tier series in Mexico City during his rookie year. Yes, they're all road courses, but that's more than respected drivers like Johnny Benson, Ron Bouchard and Richard Brickhouse, who each earned one lone win at the top level of NASCAR. Mario Andretti only won a single NASCAR race too, the 1967 Daytona 500. Juan Pablo Montoya stayed in NASCAR a lot longer than most open wheel racers, and would likely have stayed longer had he been able to sign with a competitive team. I think a more telling measure of his success is the total number of top fives and top tens over his seven seasons, at 24 and 59 respectively. Finally, he is one of only three drivers to ever win in Formula 1, Indy cars, and NASCAR, the others being Mario Andretti and Dan Gurney.
Funny how some oval dirt track kid from Kansas would go on to beat Michael Schumacher, 7x formula 1 champion. Don't get me wrong, I like Schumacher to,
Carl Edwards was some oval dirt track kid from Missouri, but Michael was a poor west Germany kid, who’s father was a bricklayer that built michael’s first go kart from scraps. Not denying that Carl Edwards flat out beat michael, and the commentators were extremely biased, but you can’t take away Michael Schumacher’s merit, especially when it comes to talking about who came from humble beginnings.
Piyush zoom You can’t compare a NASCAR driver to an opened wheel driver, but you can compare Jeff Gordon to an opened wheel racer. Look at the lap times he set at the IMS road course in the Williams. It was his first time in a rear-engined car, too. If he had more experience, he might have been as fast as JPM...
All I know is that when a NASCAR driver goes to Indycar (AJ Allmendinger at the Indy 500 some years ago) he puts on a show. But when a Formula 1 or Indycar driver comes to NASCAR (Montoya, Franchitti, Hornish), they almost definitely suck. Stewart and Foyt are some of the rare exceptions, of course.
@BigJim35 Allmendinger is an open wheel guy who went to Nascar and has become a good stock car driver. Before 2008 he raced in karts, won the F.Atlantic title, was rookie of the year in ChampCar in 2004 and almost won the title in 2006, so he's an open wheel guy turned into a stock car driver. Sure he did well in Indy in 2013, but he wasn't competitive in the other races that year, including crashes on first lap in both Detroit races and then another crash in the season finale at Fontana. Kurt Busch did very well at Indy 2014 in a winning car, but as 'Dinger showed, it doesn't mean he would have been as good in other races. Even Montoya (who wasn't championship material but was good enough to make the chase and went so close to win on an oval), after 7 years in Nascar wasn't that competitive on road and street circuits, because the field is so tight and you really need to be at the top of your game to contend for victory. If you are 3 thents off the best you may find yourself well outside the top ten. Anyway I admit that stock cars are very difficult to drive and require great skills and talent. Unfortunately in Europe there's a lot of ignorance about oval racing, Nascar or IndyCar makes no difference, so most F1 fans tend to see it as very easy, which obviously is not, especially in a stock car that moves around all the time. If Johnson, Gordon or Stewart were born in Europe, with the right support they would have become top f1 drivers.
BigJim35 Tony Stewart won the Indy Car Championship in his ONLY season so he is 1/1 in Indy Car. In NASCAR Tony Stewart has 3 Championships in 18 seasons including tying Carl Edwards for the Championship and winning the tie breaker because Tony had more wins than Carl in 2011.
Mario actually raced fourteen NASCAR races, including multiple Daytona 500's. His '67 Daytona 500 win was his second 500 and his fifth NASCAR start. The Wikipedia "facts" keep changing, so I looked it up on other sources, such as this one: racing-reference.info/driver/Mario_Andretti Mario was a beast with a race car!
First, I won't complain about NASCAR race announcers being biased again, that was awful. Second, what I love about this is that back in 2009 NASCAR started adding more road course to the lower series and the Sprint Cup guys would specifically race in those races in the lower series to become better on road courses. Used too, road course racing in NASCAR was awful because the guys from formula 1 and Indy Car that would come race in NASCAR for two races, Watkins Glenn and Sanonma, were beating the NASCAR guys. It was boring to watch when you knew either the F1 or Indy Car guys would win. But Carl proved in this video that the NASCAR guys were getting the hang of road courses and that it's not just Indy Car drivers and F1 drivers any more that you needed to watch on road courses any more. Third, to be honest I was really expecting a back flip after that win.
Kayla Kaye Montoya was the only Open Wheel driver with no NASCAR experience to ever win a road course. AJ Allmendinger took five years. Tony Stewart never started an open wheel road course race. Marcos Ambrose never drove an open wheeled car
Chatty Matty, I may be splitting hairs here, but by the time JPM won his first NASCAR race in Mexico City, he had some experience under his belt. He ran at Homestead the previous season and did a lot of testing in the off season to gain experience in the cars. It doesn't take away from his accomplishment of winning two races in NASCAR in his rookie season (one in the Busch series or whatever the second tier series was called and again at Sonoma) when he came from a completely different discipline. He had limited experience to be sure though, and other drivers with far more experience in stock cars took longer to win on a road course. Just to make it even more fun, Juan Pablo won more road course NASCAR races than Dale Earnhardt, whose lone road course win came at Sonoma in 1995.
They don't forget. They have no clue because they never took a deeper look into what they speak of, instead they rely on negative stereotypes and biased negative news clips to explain something.
Thing people fail to realize is NASCAR drivers don't 'just' drive around in a circle. Even on the oval courses it's known as one of the most difficult things in motorsports. Watch the drivers during the races and notice how their hands constantly battle the wheel in the turns, trying to keep the car straight. There's a reason why F1 drivers like Ambrose and Montoya are yet to win on the 'simple ovals'.
@Tom Bystander He is saying theirs no passing like nascar. F1 driver with top equipment always win because theirs not really a competition like NASCAR and even Indycar. (like Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher, ect...).
I loved how all the people over here in Europe was like Schumacher win this easy, this clearly showed that most Europeans (not me included) dont know much about NASCAR as if they did they would have know Carl Edwards would be better as Open wheel & Closed wheel racing are diffrent breeds of racing, the commentators sounds so ignorant about Edwards but its clear hear Edwards had the better skillset over Schumacher
"I'm going to assume Schumacher made a mistake somewhere " Nice coping mechanism. But fr though, guess who didn't make a mistake? Carl Edwards, the nascar driver. But you know, American go in circle, Europe go twisty twist
@@countersteer713 All the world know Schuhmacher, but most never heard of the other guy. Schuhmacher got beaten by many and he still is one of the best.
@lol shit Sure kid, i don't even watch F1. But i know that a road course driver can drive on any track, a oval driver can't. There is a reason why there are only a few ovals outside of north America.
In F1 the car very much makes a massive difference. Look at when he switched to Mercedes he only got one podium in that stint. The new Red Bull cars are slaughtering the other drivers they're just so much faster than everyone else. Even Lewis Hamilton another 7 time world champion can't compete with the Red Bull cars. Also Senna dying very much worked in Schumacher's favour. I highly doubt he would have got 7 championships with Senna still on the scene.
@@ReprogrammedToHate I wouldn't really look too much into this silly race. If it was an F1 race Schumacher would have won. If it was a Nascar race Edwards would have won. An F1 car controls very differently to a conventional car so Edwards had the advantage here as he's used to racing proper cars not open wheel racers only designed for racing.
F1 inserts whomever driver they want representing their series into the best car. Kimi was a top-tier drive, one of the best all-time, but F1 didn't want him as the face of their franchise, so they inserted Lewis Hamilton into the top car. #F1isfake
This was for the drivers cup. In the very next round Carl loses to David Coulthard, an f1 rival to Michael. Michael went on to win the nation cup for Germany at this event.
F1 drivers get their asses handed to them in NASCAR. 85% of Nascar drivers can drive any road course or track other than an oval. Watch any time they put a Nascar driver in an F1 car, they do really well. F1 drivers of today are just too set in their ways to adapt, learn, and be even semi successful in NASCAR. I think Senna, James Hunt, and DEFINITELY Mika Hakkinen would've done well in NASCAR though. They just had much better improvisational skills, driver skill, and bigger balls back then. The 70's and especially the 80's turbo era would be a lot closer to the Nascars we have today. Huge power, skinny tires, no downforce, not really any braking power to speak of, and using a clutch to row through the gears. F1 drivers of yesteryear would've been able to adapt well in NASCAR but not the guys we have today
For the people who don't know Carl edwards he is a really good race car drive he can drive almost anything fast. Its wasn't a surprise that he beats Schumacher. Wait till ya'll see kyle busch he is the same.
It’s really not surprising Carl won. F1 drivers are accustomed to 1 type of driving discipline. NASCAR drivers come from all types of backgrounds, dirt oval, off-road, karting, stock cars, dirt bikes, Indy car, they are generally better all around drivers when it comes to auto racing, it just so happens F1 is the pinnacle of racing and they are the best to do it for open wheel cars.
Michael also prefers oversteering from his F1 cars. Having said this, his muscle memory is driving oversteering cars which is counter intuitive to him driving understeering front wheel drive hatchbacks.
i like F1 so much, but i hate the new fans that like to talk bullshit about any other competition that is not F1 and call their drivers "inferior" so in those cases I always send them this video and the reaction of the most of them is to block me. Lol.
I miss when the ROC was like the end of year/season playtime for all racers of all disciplines. Like a motorsport Olympics where the winner is always the watching audience.
Having watched thousands of NASCAR, F1, IndyCar, IMSA, WEC, dirt, various other FIA sanctioned events, down to drag racing at my local quarter mile, this is STILL the biggest slice of humble pie I have EVER seen an audience take especially the commentators
Big question though... did they replace all the tires on the cars prior to both drivers racing? I am curious if the cars' tires are the same throughout the event and who knows that the drivers prior to Michael Schumacher worn the tires more on the car he used and the tires on Carl's car was not as badly worn. It's not just "oh they are driven on the same track", but they are not driven by the same drivers... and some drivers could've worn the tires on the car faster than the other. Anyway, I don't really know the rules of ROC regarding the service life of the tires being raced each round.
He didn´t always had the best equipment in F1. he had to drive a lot of slow cars during his career and was the driver, who brought Ferrari back on the top spot of the sport in the first place. But that´s not the reason, why he was beaten by Carl Edwards.The Race of Champions is a fun event, where drivers have little to no experience with the cars and the track prior to their races. If one driver beats another one in this contest, then it still doesn´t say anything about their skill. The drivers know that and don´t take the Race of Champions very serious therefor. They just see it as it is, an enjoyable event, where the fun is in the foreground.
He got schooled, hands down. Having identical cars driving the same course is totally a test of skill. It’s not about who has the best equipment unlike F1 racing.
directly after beating Schumacher Edwards lost to David coulthard in the semi finals. then, in the nations cup, he lost to Jenson button by 10 seconds. Also, in 2010, Schumacher beat carl edwards by 3 seconds. in 2002 although Jeff Gordon did beat Alonso by 4 tenths of a second, he lost to christiano da matta by a good gap, who was beaten by alonso later b y an even bigger gap. in 2004 casey mears was beaten by jean alesi and david coulthard. in 2005, massa and jeff Gordon didn't race but (in the exact same car) massa was quicker. in 2006 kovalinen beat pastrana twice 2007- schumacher beat jimmie johnson by a big time difference. 2010- carl edwards was beaten by schumacher and vettel. 2014-kurt busch was beaten by 2 seconds by coulthard
+SuperOne “DX” x6 Edwards initially beat Coulthard, but was penalized for something. Also, in the ROC, you don't lose by 10 seconds unless something happened to your car. Schumacher and Vettel did beat Edwards fair and square. Edwards wasn't really that good in 2010, whereas in 2008 he was extremely good all year. Gordon still beat Alonso and Bourdais, as well as a driver who went on to win 2 BTCC titles. Casey Mears is an average driver. His one Sprint Cup win was on fuel conservation. No shock he was beaten easily. Gordon was initially going to race, but got sick. By how much was Massa quicker? Travis Pastrana was terrible in NASCAR. Johnson is just shit on flat road courses in general. He's good on ones with lots of elevation changes, hence why he's good at Sonoma, but is horrible at ones with no elevation changes. Look at his results at Watkins Glen. Kurt also beat Petter Solberg (WRC Champion, WRX Champion), and Jamie Whincup, who may be the greatest V8 Supercar driver to ever live.
this race and the outcome speaks volumes. i have said it forever..f1 drivers are the most overrated and nascar the most underrated...period. the worst part was the ignorant commentators making excuses for schumacher instead of just saying what they should have
Well, Carl Edwards lost most of his Race of Champions races as did many of his fellow NASCAR competitors, right after this round, he lost to David Coulthard, who then lost to Sebastien Loeb in the finals. On the next day, Schumacher and Vettel pretty much dominated the Nations Cup.
@@lpforever1854lol well Carl Edwards retired 6 years ago now we have Tyler Reddick, chase Elliott, SVG part timer, Kyle bush, Michael McDowall, Kyle Larson, Christopher bell and many more talent that can race both dirt and roadcources and ovels.
@@alexmaccain2362Great. In rally now we have Kalle Rovanpera who is better than anyone stated here except maybe for SVG. Oh and also Kevin Estre who is a beast. Whenever be it a GT3 or a WEC Hypercar he is just a beast when he drives in them.
they stick to that story even after carl's lead was steadily increasing. the first split he is one second ahead and the second and final one he is 2 seconds ahead.
Close minded team owners. If I owned a team in F1 I wouldn't care if the guy started his career in F3, F2, late-models, Sprint Cars, Go-Karts, stock cars, street racing, or anything else. I'd be like "Hey this guys has a lot of talent, I think I'll give him a chance." What he does with the chance is up to him.
And yet our nascar drivers still dont get the respect they deserve. If you think oval racing is just turning left and is easy, you are ignorant, not only to the racing itself, but to how god damn hard NASCAR stock cars are to handle/drive. F1 you set the car up to handle good. In Nascar, you set the car up to go fast while barely being able to handle it, because thats what it takes to be faster than the rest in nascar
I respectfully disagree, Brandon. I am happy that Carl made the choice to leave the sport and is a healthy and happy man spending quality time with his wife and children. The real shame is what happened to Michael. Since we can only speculate as to his condition, we don't really know, but I've heard as extreme things as that his mind is relatively undamaged, but that the section of his brain that controls motor control is fubar'd. If he really is locked inside a broken body, that is a horrible fate for anyone to endure.
Schumacher said after this that he didn't make a mistake and Carl Edwards outright beat him
If NASCAR didn’t completely muck with the championship system (and edwards landed on a team like Gibbs instead of Roush for his entire career), he’d have been at least a 2x champion. And in better equipment, probably more. The results of his career are a complete travesty. Not to mention horrible luck in his final race cost him a championship.
@@hornetguy9063 he would have had 2 champs with roush if it werent for the damned chase.
@@tbird1991 yup. No one got screwed more than Carl edwards.
Bullshit NASCAR drivers are all terrible
@@hornetguy9063 is that an Nascar id line reference
Biased commentators. Kept saying that Schumacher was making mistakes, they couldn't accept that Carl just beat him.
Either way, if he screws up that bad he obviously just won because the other guys in f1 made more. I guess nascar drivers are just better at not making mistakes which makes them much faster. When you actually have competition with the same car it's all about the drivers.
Oh it is just funny to see it when someone gets there comeuppance
@@shanedavis3418 That is a funny joke.
@@23GreyFox is it? Look at F1 drivers going to NASCAR, isn’t as easy as it looks. Butt of the jokes, but every top series racing driver is seriously talented. Give the guy credit, he smashed the 7 time champ
@@shanedavis3418 Schumacher said Carl edwards flat out beat him and he made no mistakes
its like they dont know Nascar Drivers have some road course experience or something...
Yeah they have 3 a year Sonoma Watkins Glen and the roval
@@OBG791 and now they have the road course at Charlotte but they also Pocono which drives a lot like a road course.
@An angry jimmie Johnson fan They have COTA, Charlotte RC, Daytona RC, Sonoma, the Glen, Indy RC, and Road America. So they have 7. Plenty of Road Courses
@An angry jimmie Johnson fan plus road america and indy road course makes 6
Carl edwards had 2 road courses in the cup but he could only win at sonoma he also won at circuit gille villeneuve and road America too
NASCAR has some TRUE heavyweights, Carl Edwards being one of them. Its kind of depressing how the announcers are so partial to Schumacher, whenever our guys talk about F1 there is never any negativity.
Always loved Cousin Carl. Dude had a ton of talent, saw him win in Charlotte and Darlington the same year i think it was 2015... I stopped watching when he left nascar.
Paging Kyle Larson.
This video is for everyone who says nascar drivers are untalented. All professional drivers in all series are extremely talented, don't underestimate them!
Not Mazepin
@@isaacgarcia2933 2 wins and finished 5th in the 2020 F2 standings. He isn't a bad driver.
Edwards could've made it in F1.
@@isaacgarcia2933 3rd in f2 until the last round was 5th overall , with 3 wins if you count ones without penalties , i see your one of the repeat sheep in the f1 community , look at how well mick is doing now by the way hehe
@@thatonenigeriansformula Still bummed about mick's level of driving
"M- maybe Schumacher j- just messed up... r- right?"
Lol
It's just hilarious hearing these commentators completely underestimate and write off Edwards and then oh shit, he won? You mean he beat the "mighty Schumacher?" Epic.
I like how they just take shots at carl and he still wins
"Dude I almost had you!"
They only mistake Schumacher made was challenging Carl Edwards
Who the fuck is Carl Edwards anyway? Just kidding, I don't care!
Cristian Seibriger Someone faster than Michael Schumacher.
@Ploke Newo78 and then he got beat by david coulthard lol
Cristian Seibriger you already know who Carl Edwards is he’s Schumacher’s daddy
Those posh twats were flabbergasted
I'm not shocked by this. Carl Edwards started in the bottom in dirt racing. Got his chance, and has shown why he's a damn good racer.
Dirt racing produces the greatest drivers in the world whether it’s rally or oval.
Dirt is for the men of men. While f1 drivers run good laps, tarmac is easy af after tearing ass on dirt as a kid. They usually learn on karts over there, and they’re used to working with WAYYY more grip. NASCAR’s talent level is so under appreciated!
@@stonecoldracing6fr
Lol. It a 2 Lao fn race. If it wax 50 Laos it would be a different result. Or eveh if they races 2 Laps 10 times. Ita like taking someone who did a faster lap than MS in f1 once means he's faster
When it comes to the world's best drivers at the top of their respective racing disciplines racing in absolutely identical cars, anything can happen.
The enjoyable part of this video is the smug commentators who never gave Edwards a chance until he was coasting it home and even then they though Schumacher made a colossal error that nobody saw.
Lol
Phantom error
the way european people talk about nascar is equivalent to how main stream media talks about video games lol
Or news reporters talking about guns 🤣.
I wish we wasn’t this way 😭
I for one love nascar and especially like indy
It is sad that Americans know more or as much about Formula One as Europeans know about NASCAR.
@ethanweeter2732 why is that sad it just is what it is
Carl made a bunch of F1 fans mad and yes NASCAR drivers just don’t go around in circles
Ermm actually they drive in ovals 🤓🤓
Still waiting for any americans to not humiliate themselves in f1.
@@03056932can we say the same for the other way round?
Still waiting for any british to not humiliate themselves in nascar.
As an ex nascar fan who agrees with you, after I actually watched an f1 race unlike you probably ever have, I found dit is much more entertaining, yes nascar just goes in circles
Just a guy from Columbia, Missouri casually beating a 7 time F1 Champion, no biggie.
In some dogshit race during his retirement
@@dogdayz6725 Cry
and then got smoked by another f1 driver, david coulthard , cry, coulthard not even an f1 champion 😂
@@erics7219so in that case, coulthard is the best F1 has to offer, also no one is crying over it. Just F1 elitists lol
@acog_quarks8753 so no different to NASCAR then?
i like how for the vast majority of the beginning of the video the commentators are looking for excuses to why schumacher is losing, and questioning the driving skills of edwards on corners
Carl should've did one of his classic flips after beating Schumacher. lol
No, you respect am F1 champion and it isn't should've did but should've done. Spend less time on youtube and more time studying 4th grade english.
C moore fuck man..... he was just making a humorous comment 😂😂😂
C moore it's a joke mate Michael Schumacher is not a god by any means he's a bloke who happens to be one of the most ambitious and prolific f1 champion of all time but he isn't a god so don't kiss his ass either m8
C moore Sour much... Now i really wish he would've done his signature backflip because of your sour ass... Might i add, NASCAR drivers might just be more fit and conditioned than f1 drivers.. You don't see any f1 driver pull off that type of athleticism... 😂😂😂
-An F1 fan. Better yet, a RACING fan
Jeffrey Vences 👏👏👏👏 a true racing fan thank you for speaking what I've wanted to say. Cheers!
Haha they're just so amazed that Carl beat Michael. "This is something that NONE of us were expecting... Michael MUST have done a mistake somewhere along the way."
"Michael must Have made a mistake somewhere" ... Bitch NASCAR ISN'T EASY!!!! Just because there are mostly ovals doesn't mean anything. They also push to the absolute limit just like any other motorsport..
The F1 guys can’t comprehend the difficulty of driving in high traffic, especially in Plate races.
Those commentators are useless.
Those Europeans were so pissed that a nascar driver smoked Schumacher.
Most of them all started out in go cart racing or dirt cars
I don't think anyone even watched this 😛
@@las10plagasthat's why we will show this to the world
It's brilliant. Identical cars with basically no power? It's all down to the driver's skill.
yup, that means David Coulthard > Carl Edwards, bcs edwards got smoked by coulthard by miles in the next round. Even after Coulthard crashed, Edwards couldnt catch him lol 😂
@@erics7219 so it goes coulthard>Carl Edwards>every other F1 driver
@@acog_quarks8753no not at all
@@NoName-j4r5n that’s obviously what happened
different cars. this is probably the first time MS got in this car.
A lot of Europeans overlook the fact that NASCAR had a couple of very technical road courses on the schedule back then, and several more today. It's not as though these guys don't have any experience turning right. On top of that, Carl Edwards has a level of intensity and fiery-ness about him that to me always seemed indicative of a greater will to win than most of his competitors. His demeanor and intensity reminded me of F1 greats like Senna or Mansell. You can guarantee he was driving his heart out here.
Big wakeup call for these commentators that maybe oval tracks are far more difficult than they appear to be and that NASCAR drivers deserve as much respect as the rest of the racing world.
I can't find the comment, but someone recently wrote that he has yet to see a NASCAR or Indy car driver ever come and win a Formula 1 championship. My reply is that you're probably too young to remember, but Mario Andretti won in both NASCAR (the 1967 Daytona 500) and in Indy cars (the 1969 Indianapolis 500 and many others, and championships before 1970). He also won the 12 Hours of Sebring, a Pikes Peak hill climb (back when the road was largely unpaved and the runoff areas, while generous, had severe drops in altitude) and a USAC Dirt Track championship in 1974 as well. All of this happened prior to his 1978 F1 Driver's Championship with Lotus. And though born in Italy, he only learned to drive once his family had relocated to Nazareth, PA. So yes, there was one.
Sterling Crockett Jacques Villeneuve did it as well- Indy 500 and CART winner in 1995.
I remembered Villeneuve after I wrote the comment. I must have been thinking of American drivers only, as Villeneuve most certainly did win the Indy 500 and a CART Championship before heading off to win in Formula 1. I can't help but think his career would have been better had he not gone off into the wastelands with BAR Honda.
Aidan Millward Any racer can win f1 wdc in a dominant team like what Villenueve did at Williams in 97 and after that he dissapeared from the front grid.
Andretti was a naturalized American citizen years before he raced NASCAR. He raced dirt tracks in Pennsylvania.
If Carl Edwards a should be 2 time NASCAR champion with 23 wins can beat Michael Schumacher, a driver with 91 wins and 7 champions then that does say something about NASCAR drivers abilities
BaoZhai Zhang that both Fiats made it more than two minutes without at least one breaking down is testament to how well prepped these cars were...
MrLewisbate I hate to say it, but when a driver makes a one off start in a different series, in most cases, the NASCAR driver had found success in majority of their starts as in the open wheel guys come over and hardly can compete, Mario and partially Montoya being an exception, shoot even Carmichael and Pastrana couldn’t even hack it and Pastrana has been successful across multiple sports.
I’m not saying NASCAR drivers are “better” but driving a 3,500lb car at 180 through corners and developing that car control benefits them so much more when they go to these other sports, because in F1 the car you’re practically driving a computer. NASCAR you are the computer so I feel that it helps those drivers on the long run when they develop that sense of feel for a vehicle and what it’s doing.
@@ryanderke8678 yup. NASCAR drivers have better car control. There's no question
@@ryanderke8678 I see you have no idea about Motor sport outside the US. The times of helping CPU is long over.
@@23GreyFox I’m a Huge fan of both F1 and NASCAR. NASCAR drivers now have to drive 6-9 road courses, 4-5 super speedway tracks, a ton of short track ovals and now a dirt race. They are becoming the most versatile drivers in the world at this point. I have no doubt that the likes of Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson could have been successful in F1. I do doubt that some F1 drivers could make NASCAR work for them though. F1 drivers are amazing, but I always get put off about their claim that they are the “best in the world.” I think they are SOME of the best in the world. NASCAR has some of the best too.
Carl is actually in just as good of shape as most F1 drivers. Not because he's a NASCAR driver but because he's just like that.
Here's another good one- In the 2002 event, in the Nations Cup, Jeff Gordon beat Fernando Alonso and a two time champion in BTCC.
If I'm not mistaken, the US won the nations cup to
Yep. 2002.
(I know this comment is old) but Jeff Gordon won the Rolex 24
Fresh Dose of AIDS so did Kyle Larson, Jamie Macmurray, Mark Martin, and Danica Patrick
AeroMiner I hope you realize that Alonso wasn't in a good team in 2002. Renault never really got good until '04 or '05
Maybe Edwards is just better.
yeah carl is a legend i wish he came back
okay lets not get too carried away lol, they are each have their own "fast" racing styles around a circuit and edwards was absolutely rapid in this scenario, with these cars and this track.
Now we need larson vs verstappen. 10 races, 10 cars, 10 tracks lol
Also, Montoya was extremely aggressive and made many mistakes but he was one of the most naturally talented drivers that the series has ever seen. You will hear that from announcers and many other drivers. He was probably the fastest guy on early laps before the heat is all the way in the tires.
I love all the assholes in the comment section comparing NASCAR and F1. Two different series with two different race cars (stock cars and open wheel) with two different race types (oval and road course, although NASCAR races at Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Road America, Mid Ohio, Mosport, etc. depending on the series) with different driving styles. I'm a NASCAR fan. I've never really gotten into F1. But like your F1. I don't care. You CAN'T compare them as long as they are SO SO SOOOOO different.
Personally, I enjoy both series, along with pretty much anything on wheels that I come across. They are all different, and they all have their good points. Besides, even if drivers have their favorites, they still appreciate how difficult a completely different discipline really is. Juan Pablo wouldn't have gone into NASCAR and stayed for years if he hadn't liked and enjoyed it, and Daniel Ricciardo picked his number 3 because he was a big time Dale Earnhardt fan (and the number is even styled after the Richard Childress Racing no. 3 that Dale drove for so long). Any boasting and whining about different racing series is the problem of the fans, not the drivers.
Sylv F1 is more like a team work than individual effort. Put Lewis in McLaren Honda he would seem like a joke.
On
Fucking
Point
This series is literally to compare drivers, and the announcers were treating Edwards like a make a wish kid out there.
I would like to point out that Juan Pablo Montoya, an accomplished F1 and Indycar driver, had two wins in his entire NASCAR career. One each at NASCAR's road course races. No oval wins.
He will sadly be most remembered for hitting the jet dryer in the Daytona 500, more than any stock car success. These guys think they can come over and win. Fact is, so far, they haven't even been remotely successful.
Tony Stewart originally raced Indy like Montana actually.
Montoya was close to winning a few oval races, he wasn't a bad driver by any means.
and it should be mentioned that tony stewart, a stock car star since he was 7, is an indy racing league champion
how many f1 drivers where in nascar not that much if there where more f1 drivers in nascar for sure the will win races but thats vice versa take a good nascar driver put him in a good f1 car and he could win races also both sides of the world have great talent
I would think that two wins in a form of motorsports so completely different from that of Formula 1 is successful in itself, especially while running for a team that wasn't at the top of the game. He actually won three NASCAR races, the two Cup road courses and the second tier series in Mexico City during his rookie year. Yes, they're all road courses, but that's more than respected drivers like Johnny Benson, Ron Bouchard and Richard Brickhouse, who each earned one lone win at the top level of NASCAR. Mario Andretti only won a single NASCAR race too, the 1967 Daytona 500. Juan Pablo Montoya stayed in NASCAR a lot longer than most open wheel racers, and would likely have stayed longer had he been able to sign with a competitive team. I think a more telling measure of his success is the total number of top fives and top tens over his seven seasons, at 24 and 59 respectively. Finally, he is one of only three drivers to ever win in Formula 1, Indy cars, and NASCAR, the others being Mario Andretti and Dan Gurney.
Funny how some oval dirt track kid from Kansas would go on to beat Michael Schumacher, 7x formula 1 champion. Don't get me wrong, I like Schumacher to,
Your point is right on, but Carl Edwards is from Missouri.
Carl Edwards was some oval dirt track kid from Missouri, but Michael was a poor west Germany kid, who’s father was a bricklayer that built michael’s first go kart from scraps. Not denying that Carl Edwards flat out beat michael, and the commentators were extremely biased, but you can’t take away Michael Schumacher’s merit, especially when it comes to talking about who came from humble beginnings.
It is als more funny to hear that Coulthard beat a guy who had beaten Schumacher in ROC.
Just one lap dude, probably over braked some where... just cant compare nascar with open wheeled drivers.... never ever!
Piyush zoom You can’t compare a NASCAR driver to an opened wheel driver, but you can compare Jeff Gordon to an opened wheel racer. Look at the lap times he set at the IMS road course in the Williams. It was his first time in a rear-engined car, too. If he had more experience, he might have been as fast as JPM...
All I know is that when a NASCAR driver goes to Indycar (AJ Allmendinger at the Indy 500 some years ago) he puts on a show. But when a Formula 1 or Indycar driver comes to NASCAR (Montoya, Franchitti, Hornish), they almost definitely suck. Stewart and Foyt are some of the rare exceptions, of course.
That's because people don't caf enough
@BigJim35 Allmendinger is an open wheel guy who went to Nascar and has become a good stock car driver. Before 2008 he raced in karts, won the F.Atlantic title, was rookie of the year in ChampCar in 2004 and almost won the title in 2006, so he's an open wheel guy turned into a stock car driver. Sure he did well in Indy in 2013, but he wasn't competitive in the other races that year, including crashes on first lap in both Detroit races and then another crash in the season finale at Fontana. Kurt Busch did very well at Indy 2014 in a winning car, but as 'Dinger showed, it doesn't mean he would have been as good in other races. Even Montoya (who wasn't championship material but was good enough to make the chase and went so close to win on an oval), after 7 years in Nascar wasn't that competitive on road and street circuits, because the field is so tight and you really need to be at the top of your game to contend for victory. If you are 3 thents off the best you may find yourself well outside the top ten. Anyway I admit that stock cars are very difficult to drive and require great skills and talent. Unfortunately in Europe there's a lot of ignorance about oval racing, Nascar or IndyCar makes no difference, so most F1 fans tend to see it as very easy, which obviously is not, especially in a stock car that moves around all the time. If Johnson, Gordon or Stewart were born in Europe, with the right support they would have become top f1 drivers.
Don't forget about Mario Andretti. He only raced in 1 Nascar race and he won it.
BigJim35 Tony Stewart won the Indy Car Championship in his ONLY season so he is 1/1 in Indy Car. In NASCAR Tony Stewart has 3 Championships in 18 seasons including tying Carl Edwards for the Championship and winning the tie breaker because Tony had more wins than Carl in 2011.
Mario actually raced fourteen NASCAR races, including multiple Daytona 500's. His '67 Daytona 500 win was his second 500 and his fifth NASCAR start. The Wikipedia "facts" keep changing, so I looked it up on other sources, such as this one:
racing-reference.info/driver/Mario_Andretti
Mario was a beast with a race car!
First, I won't complain about NASCAR race announcers being biased again, that was awful. Second, what I love about this is that back in 2009 NASCAR started adding more road course to the lower series and the Sprint Cup guys would specifically race in those races in the lower series to become better on road courses. Used too, road course racing in NASCAR was awful because the guys from formula 1 and Indy Car that would come race in NASCAR for two races, Watkins Glenn and Sanonma, were beating the NASCAR guys. It was boring to watch when you knew either the F1 or Indy Car guys would win. But Carl proved in this video that the NASCAR guys were getting the hang of road courses and that it's not just Indy Car drivers and F1 drivers any more that you needed to watch on road courses any more. Third, to be honest I was really expecting a back flip after that win.
Kayla Kaye Montoya was the only Open Wheel driver with no NASCAR experience to ever win a road course. AJ Allmendinger took five years. Tony Stewart never started an open wheel road course race. Marcos Ambrose never drove an open wheeled car
Chatty Matty, I may be splitting hairs here, but by the time JPM won his first NASCAR race in Mexico City, he had some experience under his belt. He ran at Homestead the previous season and did a lot of testing in the off season to gain experience in the cars. It doesn't take away from his accomplishment of winning two races in NASCAR in his rookie season (one in the Busch series or whatever the second tier series was called and again at Sonoma) when he came from a completely different discipline. He had limited experience to be sure though, and other drivers with far more experience in stock cars took longer to win on a road course. Just to make it even more fun, Juan Pablo won more road course NASCAR races than Dale Earnhardt, whose lone road course win came at Sonoma in 1995.
Sterling Crockett disregard deleted reply. Didn’t read full comment
No worries. I write too much anyway.
Kayla Kaye edwards is the best nascar driver ever on road courses
They forget that Nascar drivers are skilled on ALL types of tracks!
They don't forget. They have no clue because they never took a deeper look into what they speak of, instead they rely on negative stereotypes and biased negative news clips to explain something.
I want to see them race in a formula car now(I know shummy can’t but still)
@@NoName-j4r5nMario Andretti, Juan Pablo Montoya
@@thatredsunburst what about them?
@@NoName-j4r5nthey raced in NASCAR lmao
Carl Edwards:skill issue
Scuhmacher post race interview:skill issue mb
The announcers:NOOOOOO SCHUMACHER IS BETTER HE JUST MADE A MISTAKE
A nascar driver has never had the chance to compete in F1 to show there talent. But multiple F1 drivers have tried NASCAR and had little success.
You put some respect on Juan “Destroyer of Jet Dries” Pablo Montoya’s name.
The super license system combined with the billionaire kids club aspect of f1 makes it impossible for nascar drivers to race in f1
@@Erdrick68jet dryer Montoya?
Thing people fail to realize is NASCAR drivers don't 'just' drive around in a circle. Even on the oval courses it's known as one of the most difficult things in motorsports. Watch the drivers during the races and notice how their hands constantly battle the wheel in the turns, trying to keep the car straight. There's a reason why F1 drivers like Ambrose and Montoya are yet to win on the 'simple ovals'.
Ambrose wasn't an F1 driver. He came from V8 supercars in Australia that are vaguely similar to NASCAR stock cars
Bruh, F1 is qualify and then finish where you qualified
@Tom Bystander He is saying theirs no passing like nascar. F1 driver with top equipment always win because theirs not really a competition like NASCAR and even Indycar. (like Hamilton, Vettel, Schumacher, ect...).
@@m21nksn16 I've always wondered what exactly the difference is in Indy and F1.
Max vs Larson we need a race like this
@1:33 I think that extended chin section is so Schumahcer can blow the annoucers without taking his helmet off.
I loved how all the people over here in Europe was like Schumacher win this easy, this clearly showed that most Europeans (not me included) dont know much about NASCAR as if they did they would have know Carl Edwards would be better as Open wheel & Closed wheel racing are diffrent breeds of racing, the commentators sounds so ignorant about Edwards but its clear hear Edwards had the better skillset over Schumacher
"I'm going to assume Schumacher made a mistake somewhere "
Nice coping mechanism.
But fr though, guess who didn't make a mistake? Carl Edwards, the nascar driver. But you know, American go in circle, Europe go twisty twist
Wow a NASCAR driver had luck. And got beaten later by Coulthard. And now back to the salt mine.
@@23GreyFox Carl Edwards still beat the great Michael Schumacher in cars they've never driven before.
@@countersteer713 All the world know Schuhmacher, but most never heard of the other guy. Schuhmacher got beaten by many and he still is one of the best.
@lol shit Sure kid, i don't even watch F1. But i know that a road course driver can drive on any track, a oval driver can't. There is a reason why there are only a few ovals outside of north America.
@@23GreyFox Lol you do realize NASCAR has road courses right?
WHO WOULD WIN?
An elite driver with multiple titles in the most recognized racing series in the world
OR
one nascar boi
Damn, he lost in the next rounds against button and coulthard. Chill 🤣
@@cobaneazy3079 he still won lmao
@@user-rl7cw9eg8e yeah
Backflip vs 7-time world champion
These two announcers have no idea how talented Edwards really is, do they?
Someone who was several times close to win a NASCAR cup championship beat a 7x formula one world championship. Stats don't tell the whole story.
In F1 the car very much makes a massive difference. Look at when he switched to Mercedes he only got one podium in that stint. The new Red Bull cars are slaughtering the other drivers they're just so much faster than everyone else. Even Lewis Hamilton another 7 time world champion can't compete with the Red Bull cars. Also Senna dying very much worked in Schumacher's favour. I highly doubt he would have got 7 championships with Senna still on the scene.
@@Fireglo yeah i know. What i meant is that Edwards is a driver beyond his stats. Deserved better.
@@ReprogrammedToHate I wouldn't really look too much into this silly race. If it was an F1 race Schumacher would have won. If it was a Nascar race Edwards would have won. An F1 car controls very differently to a conventional car so Edwards had the advantage here as he's used to racing proper cars not open wheel racers only designed for racing.
@@Fireglo my point regarding Edwards still stands
F1 inserts whomever driver they want representing their series into the best car. Kimi was a top-tier drive, one of the best all-time, but F1 didn't want him as the face of their franchise, so they inserted Lewis Hamilton into the top car. #F1isfake
Carl Edwards is a world class person, and this clearly proves he's a world class driver.
Always underestimating nascar drivers.
They're always underestimating American drivers, because they hate America.
Carl beat him at his own game 😂😂 Good thing they weren't on an oval otherwise he might've been lapped 😂😂😂
I didnt know fiat 500s were open wheel f1 cars, cool!
@@AverageJoe777he was referring to circuit racing genius
@@acog_quarks8753 doesn’t change the fact that its not Michael’s “own game” he raced in high downforce cars, not fiats 😉
@@AverageJoe777 yeah i don’t get why he said it like that
All that tire warming and such just makes the ending feel even funnier to watch, the commentators building up via cope just adds to things.
This was for the drivers cup. In the very next round Carl loses to David Coulthard, an f1 rival to Michael. Michael went on to win the nation cup for Germany at this event.
I love how every Nascar fan ignores this and screams that Nascar is better than F1
I love how butthurt the commentators sound.
Gordon had a chance to run against him, but got sick and couldn't make it. Him and Johnson won the nation's cup one year though.
Huh, and people say NASCAR drivers are crap. Not Carl Edwards, that's for sure. In fact, he nearly won 2 NASCAR Cup championships.
F1 drivers get their asses handed to them in NASCAR. 85% of Nascar drivers can drive any road course or track other than an oval. Watch any time they put a Nascar driver in an F1 car, they do really well. F1 drivers of today are just too set in their ways to adapt, learn, and be even semi successful in NASCAR. I think Senna, James Hunt, and DEFINITELY Mika Hakkinen would've done well in NASCAR though. They just had much better improvisational skills, driver skill, and bigger balls back then. The 70's and especially the 80's turbo era would be a lot closer to the Nascars we have today. Huge power, skinny tires, no downforce, not really any braking power to speak of, and using a clutch to row through the gears. F1 drivers of yesteryear would've been able to adapt well in NASCAR but not the guys we have today
Cody Clark F1 car handling is getting more assisted over the years.
TheKestevon LoL they have no assists and even Ricciardo said that the cars of 2017 were more difficult to drive than 2016
Co-operative Belgium yeah because there assisted more, throwing the drivers off from the groove they had last year
For the people who don't know Carl edwards he is a really good race car drive he can drive almost anything fast. Its wasn't a surprise that he beats Schumacher. Wait till ya'll see kyle busch he is the same.
I would like to see Kyle Busch vs Sebastian Vettel
jgonascar Hell Yeah! That would be a race!
+jgonascar
Vettel is a tool, better be some other driver.
+nako nako You must be a Kvyat fan.
Nick cooler he's the next tony stewart in racing not personality even though their both are my faves
Loving the enthusiasm and excuses from the commentators :D I'm no NASCAR fan but good on Carl!
This comentators discust-me «Schumaker must have done a mistake» no he was just beaten... no one is invisible
It’s really not surprising Carl won. F1 drivers are accustomed to 1 type of driving discipline. NASCAR drivers come from all types of backgrounds, dirt oval, off-road, karting, stock cars, dirt bikes, Indy car, they are generally better all around drivers when it comes to auto racing, it just so happens F1 is the pinnacle of racing and they are the best to do it for open wheel cars.
Michael also prefers oversteering from his F1 cars. Having said this, his muscle memory is driving oversteering cars which is counter intuitive to him driving understeering front wheel drive hatchbacks.
Awesome, I've been looking for this race on youtube for a while now. Thanks for uploading it!
They should have never ever put the greatest driver in human history against Michael Schumacher
The modern Mark Martin beats F1’s Richard Petty, how ironic
Cue in Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American" music here
“No banking here either” The only MISTAKE made, was them underestimating us
Europeans struggling to grasp with the fact a NASCAR driver just beat the beat F1 driver
Nascar drivers are for real. I respect all Motorsport but it’s about time folks realized nascar isn’t left turns and hillbillies anymore.
i like F1 so much, but i hate the new fans that like to talk bullshit about any other competition that is not F1 and call their drivers "inferior" so in those cases I always send them this video and the reaction of the most of them is to block me. Lol.
I miss when the ROC was like the end of year/season playtime for all racers of all disciplines. Like a motorsport Olympics where the winner is always the watching audience.
Do you remember when Kimi Raikonnen tried to drive in NASCAR? Neither does NASCAR.
The commentators should know more about NASCAR. They do run road courses. They will run three this year counting the roval at Charlotte.
Im guessing that michael isnt used to racing on the left side, while edwards races and drives like that
Or he’s just better, hell yea America
Having watched thousands of NASCAR, F1, IndyCar, IMSA, WEC, dirt, various other FIA sanctioned events, down to drag racing at my local quarter mile, this is STILL the biggest slice of humble pie I have EVER seen an audience take especially the commentators
All that smack the announce team was talking!!! 🤣🤣🤣
A good ole Nascar boy shuts those Brit announcers right up. Respect American racing. F1 drivers would suck with a 3000lb closed wheel race car
Ignorance is bliss
Big question though... did they replace all the tires on the cars prior to both drivers racing?
I am curious if the cars' tires are the same throughout the event and who knows that the drivers prior to Michael Schumacher worn the tires more on the car he used and the tires on Carl's car was not as badly worn.
It's not just "oh they are driven on the same track", but they are not driven by the same drivers... and some drivers could've worn the tires on the car faster than the other.
Anyway, I don't really know the rules of ROC regarding the service life of the tires being raced each round.
I got a good laugh outta this. Guess they never saw Carl edwards get the best of Indy and F1 drivers (ringers) at a nascar road course.
Enjoying this after 15 years, it never gets old. Now I want to see Kyle Larson against their best f1 driver.
or even kyle busch, with a worst car than half of the darlington grill he managed to pull a P2
It's because Michael always had the better equipment in F1 everything for nascar drivers is relatively equal so talent is very important.
He didn´t always had the best equipment in F1. he had to drive a lot of slow cars during his career and was the driver, who brought Ferrari back on the top spot of the sport in the first place. But that´s not the reason, why he was beaten by Carl Edwards.The Race of Champions is a fun event, where drivers have little to no experience with the cars and the track prior to their races. If one driver beats another one in this contest, then it still doesn´t say anything about their skill. The drivers know that and don´t take the Race of Champions very serious therefor. They just see it as it is, an enjoyable event, where the fun is in the foreground.
He got schooled, hands down. Having identical cars driving the same course is totally a test of skill. It’s not about who has the best equipment unlike F1 racing.
I don't think the commentators know they actually have tracks like these in nascar
Olympic Games?!?
Not surprised with the outcome. NASCAR drivers are wayyy underated.
I’d rather watch cars go left for 3 hours than ever watch f1. F1=0 real competition.
Carl "Backflip" Edwards is seriously a fantastic driver
How about don't be so cocky, announcers?
The fact that he was beat without Carl doing any warm up aswell, lol
directly after beating Schumacher Edwards lost to David coulthard in the semi finals. then, in the nations cup, he lost to Jenson button by 10 seconds.
Also, in 2010, Schumacher beat carl edwards by 3 seconds.
in 2002 although Jeff Gordon did beat Alonso by 4 tenths of a second, he lost to christiano da matta by a good gap, who was beaten by alonso later b y an even bigger gap.
in 2004 casey mears was beaten by jean alesi and david coulthard.
in 2005, massa and jeff Gordon didn't race but (in the exact same car) massa was quicker.
in 2006 kovalinen beat pastrana twice
2007- schumacher beat jimmie johnson by a big time difference.
2010- carl edwards was beaten by schumacher and vettel.
2014-kurt busch was beaten by 2 seconds by coulthard
+Sic Fuc at least i proved it, all you did was post some comment that wasn't funny at all
+SuperOne “DX” x6 Edwards initially beat Coulthard, but was penalized for something. Also, in the ROC, you don't lose by 10 seconds unless something happened to your car.
Schumacher and Vettel did beat Edwards fair and square. Edwards wasn't really that good in 2010, whereas in 2008 he was extremely good all year.
Gordon still beat Alonso and Bourdais, as well as a driver who went on to win 2 BTCC titles.
Casey Mears is an average driver. His one Sprint Cup win was on fuel conservation. No shock he was beaten easily. Gordon was initially going to race, but got sick.
By how much was Massa quicker?
Travis Pastrana was terrible in NASCAR.
Johnson is just shit on flat road courses in general. He's good on ones with lots of elevation changes, hence why he's good at Sonoma, but is horrible at ones with no elevation changes. Look at his results at Watkins Glen.
Kurt also beat Petter Solberg (WRC Champion, WRX Champion), and Jamie Whincup, who may be the greatest V8 Supercar driver to ever live.
Schumacher didn't make any mistakes he was flat out beat he said
this race and the outcome speaks volumes. i have said it forever..f1 drivers are the most overrated and nascar the most underrated...period. the worst part was the ignorant commentators making excuses for schumacher instead of just saying what they should have
Well, Carl Edwards lost most of his Race of Champions races as did many of his fellow NASCAR competitors, right after this round, he lost to David Coulthard, who then lost to Sebastien Loeb in the finals. On the next day, Schumacher and Vettel pretty much dominated the Nations Cup.
@@lpforever1854lol well Carl Edwards retired 6 years ago now we have Tyler Reddick, chase Elliott, SVG part timer, Kyle bush, Michael McDowall, Kyle Larson, Christopher bell and many more talent that can race both dirt and roadcources and ovels.
@@alexmaccain2362Great. In rally now we have Kalle Rovanpera who is better than anyone stated here except maybe for SVG. Oh and also Kevin Estre who is a beast. Whenever be it a GT3 or a WEC Hypercar he is just a beast when he drives in them.
@@Icalik who?
@@alexmaccain2362 I can say the same "who" about every single driver you listed except for SVG.
they stick to that story even after carl's lead was steadily increasing. the first split he is one second ahead and the second and final one he is 2 seconds ahead.
It was HILARIOUS hearing these pompous wankers getting this shoved up their ass
People don’t realize that nascar drivers take full-size cars with no abs traction control around road courses regularly
Close minded team owners. If I owned a team in F1 I wouldn't care if the guy started his career in F3, F2, late-models, Sprint Cars, Go-Karts, stock cars, street racing, or anything else. I'd be like "Hey this guys has a lot of talent, I think I'll give him a chance." What he does with the chance is up to him.
I agree but just one small correction. They are 3500 lbs not 2500.
Those commentators were about as unbiased as CNN
And yet our nascar drivers still dont get the respect they deserve. If you think oval racing is just turning left and is easy, you are ignorant, not only to the racing itself, but to how god damn hard NASCAR stock cars are to handle/drive. F1 you set the car up to handle good. In Nascar, you set the car up to go fast while barely being able to handle it, because thats what it takes to be faster than the rest in nascar
Such a shame that Carl surprise retired
I respectfully disagree, Brandon. I am happy that Carl made the choice to leave the sport and is a healthy and happy man spending quality time with his wife and children. The real shame is what happened to Michael. Since we can only speculate as to his condition, we don't really know, but I've heard as extreme things as that his mind is relatively undamaged, but that the section of his brain that controls motor control is fubar'd. If he really is locked inside a broken body, that is a horrible fate for anyone to endure.
@PchanStitch Ambrose wasn't in F1. He raced in Australian V8 Supercars.