They'll go with the flow and bring something new, they're not in a hurry though. Keep in mind, in terms of sheer production numbers, Honda cranks out in a few days what Triumph does in a year (not kidding).
I ride a 2022 Triumph Trident 660, it's my first bike. I have had it for about a year and a half, and I love it. These new bikes are going to sell like hot-cakes.
I’ve been looking for something like this scrambler. The Big 4 do a lot of bikes but the retro beginner bikes most aren’t sold everywhere like Honda with the 350s for example. Yamaha could do a XSR 300 ? (They do a XSR125 here in Europe which has 14hp) The choices for naked or sports bikes are plenty but a beginner scrambler I’m struggling to find new ones. We got the Scram411 or the SCL500
Don't really care what Japan needs to do, Triumph, BMW, KTM and RE are already there. And they are not necessarily "beginner" bikes, whatever that means nowadays. There's a difference between "beginner" and "beginner-friendly."
These bikes look great. And I think the little scrambler might prove pretty popular with people who actually want to ride them offroad, being smaller and lighter.
I would never buy another Triumph because of poor quality control. Japanese motorcycles don't have to catch up to Triumph. Japanese motorcycles crush Triumph in most metrics but in particular, the most important one, reliability. Pro tip: Don't waste your money on one of these India made Triumphs with no power. Find a barely used mid power Japanese motorcycle off Craigslist for less money that will actually shift and start after the warranty runs out. Triumph's poor record on quality is inexcusable. Any questions....google it. Transmission failures are the most notable and Triumph dealers never stand behind their products because they know they are bad.
If I didn't already own a Trident 660, then I would buy one. But the style is too similar. However, if they eventually release a 500 cc cafe racer, then I would buy it.
@@lukewalker1051 Saying "India made" is shit then amping up the japanese bikes. As you said google it, some bikes from the big 4 are made and/or assembled in India.
I love the twin shocks. They're even ohlins. Monoshocks have become ubiquitous because they're cheaper for the manufacturer and not because they have some advantage for the end user, right?
@@TheShamefurDispray No spring are identical. Making the swingarm have different damping and rebound on each arm, increases risk for deathwooble. That is why modern motocycle have monoshock, to do the damping and rebound on the whole swingarm. Having the same damping and rebound rate on both side, eliminates back wheel wooble.
@TheShamefurDispray actually monoshocks are more expensive to manufacture thanks to complex internals and provide better ride and handling for the end consumer.
Most of the time they just don't have a choice but there are also dealers taking advantage of people. If a dealer just charged MSRP they'd go out of business. The manufacturers make these mandates and the dealers have to find a solution to pay for it.
@@SirNarax If that is the case, then either- the MSRP is simply wrong, or the dealer doesn't know how to manage their business. I know several dealers around me that are OVER paying for premium real estate. In my experience, people that are into motorcycles and such WILL find the dealer. I don't know of a single person that has ever said- "Hey Since that dealer is right there I guess I will go buy a beginner bike(or any bike for that matter)". NOBODY Thinks that way. Further still the ones I know that have the premium real estate tend to be snobs, like they are doing you a favor by allowing you to buy a bike from them.
@@SirNarax I worked for Kawasaki for six years and that statement wouldn’t be true back then. Maybe things have changed. Dealer invoice was 60% - 65% of MSRP back then. Hard to believe it’s changed all that much.
I've bought several triumphs before and after covid - if anyone paid over msrp for one they are doing it wrong. Yes some dealers will try to add on BS fees, so find another one that doesn't. The only model I've seen triumph hold their line on the MSRP are the special editions like Bond, Moto2, TFC versions, etc.
Brands like triumph and royal enfield have got to be the most competent manufacturers out there. They’re always making smart moves these days, especially enfield
I have a thruxton RS, I passed a parked Meteor in town and it was a really nice matte army green. They’re sweet little bikes and I kinda want one now, I used to be a bit of a hater on enfield but I give credit where credit is due.
Triumph has a problem with not honoring there faulty bikes. They left me with a bike that has no brakes that I bought brand new with complete service.I know several others with the same issue. There quality control is shit
I'm looking forward to the Triumph 400s. With a competitive price they can be great. A video comparing the 400 street (or scrambler) to the KTM 390 and the Husqy 401 is the video I am wishing to see in the near future.
True. I already own a Trident 660. I use it for my daily commute. I kind of want a smaller bike that I can use around town on weekends. Have been thinking of the Husqy 401 or a Royal Enfield Interceptor. But maybe these Triumph 400's can be customized to look like a cafe racer.
I have booked this bike here in India. All 3 Husqy 401, KTM 390 & Speed 400 are made by same manufacturer (Bajaj) in India. They have SIGNIGICANTLY undercut KTM 390 in pricing while providing almost same hardware and electronics.
I think this is a smart move for Triumph. I'm sure some manufacturer or marketing firm has done studies about the percentage of people who buy the same brand for their second motorcycle, and I always thought Triumph was missing out by not offering an easier entry point for new motorcyclists. My first bike was a Triumph Street Scrambler (now re-named the Scrambler 900). I got started later in life than a lot of motorcyclists, so it was not an unreasonable first bike, and at that stage in my life, I could afford it, so I didn''t need to look at the lighter, cheaper Japanese-made starter bikes. My second bike is a Tiger 900 Rally Pro, so Triumph has now had two opportunities to drain my savings account. How many more motorcycles will I buy before I get too old to enjoy them safely? I don't know, but the answer is certainly fewer than someone who buys their first bike at the age of 25. With these new 400s, Triumph not only gains access to a previously untapped market, they increase the chances of selling more of their higher=end bikes for years to come. In this modern world of short-term thinking, get-rich-quick investment schemes, and disposable consumer products, it's a hopeful sign that Triumph is thinking in terms of decades instead of just the next quarter's profits.
It's funny, I'm on my 5th bike, and other than the ancient clapped out Honda I owned back in college in the 80s for like 6 months before it blew up, I haven't yet owned two bikes from the same manufacturer. Haven't owned a Triumph yet though I was tempted on my last purchase.
Exactly the same with me. I actually had to scroll up after reading your first several sentences and make sure that I didn't post this earlier and then forget. Exactly my journey as well. Now I've owned 3 Triumphs over 5 years and while i have other bikes too, they have cemented themselves as my favorite OEM.
Because of my age 70 and physical limitations I don’t even have a bike anymore. So glad to see Triumph in their new glory !! As a teen in the 60’s I remember the Tridents and the Bonnevilles !! The Japanese will never change with the tunnel vision they have and the way they think. Not saying they don’t have great products. Still love to watch MC videos and you are great on your own now Spite !! Keep ‘em’ coming dude !! Thnx !!
I was thinking on getting a bmw 310 or a ktm 390 but now a triumph 400 is coming, wow. This is looking great, I got a cheap Chinese 250 a couple of years ago, and I was struggling on deciding on a new bike for daily commute in a city, where a 600+ is way too much! I'm from Mexico and I love your videos!
I was a tech at a Triumph dealer last year and I cannot express how excited I was when I heard about these bikes. Hands down this is the Triumph I will buy, and that is both because I'm cheap and because I want a lightweight bike with refined characteristics and that is exactly what these will be. I truly cannot wait to test ride the Scrambler 400 when it drops.
I think the Honda CL500 and Kawasaki Eliminator 450 are similar enough it won't matter too much. They are all expensive though especially with dealer fees. Plus I couldn't find any small new Hondas available last year in Austin so had to go with a Kawasaki.
@@NtmoffiI'm gonna guess the prices will be reasonable, seeing as the Trident is around $8700 or so and it's a 660cc, which is plenty reasonable for what you get; inverted Showa forks, Nissin brakes, triple cylinder engine; all things the Z650, MT07, and SV650 miss out on. I have one and been riding it for a few months, and I feel it was definitely worth the price.
Funnily enough here in the Philippines, it was a japanese brand that brought a slew of indian bikes from Bajaj here (kawasaki) they brought the ns 200, 160, and RS200 under the Rouser moniker, Bajaj's flagship the Dominar 400, and recently the pulsar 250
Brilliant move by Triumph. I was going to buy a RE Hunter 350 for around town riding, and maybe scram it out to have a little fun off-road. I still may buy one and I'm a Triumph fanboy owning 2 of them today, so I'll wait to see what the price looks like here in the States. Looks like the Triumphs have quite a bit more power than the RE singles, so there's that, too.
I wouldn’t call them “beginner bikes”. I’ve been riding for 43 years, at some point we tend to appreciate lighter, more nimble motorcycles. I’m very interested in these bikes, I don’t do really long rides anymore, and I don’t want to spend a ton of $ on a new bike.
They won't be around 6000$ because that is where Royal Enfield is. The willingness to abandon the lower displacement segment a couple of years ago is what enabled REs comeback. Now that everyone is seeing them doing well they come back.
Recently in 2 days herley launched its 440x with the partnership with Indian bike manufacturer Hero and the price of it is similar to triumph street 400
HI Spite, I love the "we're all doomed" quote. Have a look at Private Frazer from the BBC comedy series "Dad's Army"; "we're all doomed" was his catchphrase and all Brits thought of it when we saw this video. Come to think of it, you could edit Pte Frazer in......
When you do the ural, get with Brandon Herrera, he's a Texas guy and he loves old Russian military tech and you can do a Collab shooting machine guns from the sidecar.
Funny you bring this video up... Mum saw a RE contential 535 gt...and i helped her get the loan BEFORE she even had her learners all because the bike looked cool...and this was at a triumph dealer next door to a hd dealer...
If a bike like these were available ten years ago it would have easily been my first. The classic look, low price, and well known brand, game over. And the singles are gonna BRAP!
last year when my brother and i bought our first motorcycles we were both looking for 400ish adv bikes, he went with the Himalayan and i didnt want to copy him so i went with an older used g650gs, but had these triumphs been out we would have been fighting over who got the himi and who got the triumph. a year later now i think im past wanting a beginner bike. I am really glad more 400cc bikes are coming out though
I agree this will be a massive hit (as long as the price isnt crazy). I just cant believe HD isnt getting on board with a less expensive model to gain new riders.
Are you just returning from the moon? Harley has well publicized partnership with QJ of China to make a budget 350cc and 500cc bike. Hero of India is also making a bike for Harley.
@@andrewgee241 QJ is doing badging though. That's not a harley. Triumph did R&D on this one atleast part of it if not completely. As for the hero harley we don't know yet. I did hear rumors it's a new motor though. So maybe HD did some R&D on that one.
@@andrewgee241 I am aware of the Asian made Harleys, but unless I am mistaken there hasn't been an announcement that they will be for sale here. It is entirely possible I missed that upon re-entry.... signal drops for a couple minutes
Ok so I have a 2001 Triumph TT 600, a 2023 Bonneville Bobber and that baby Scrambler has my interest. The Svartpilen 401 was on my short list but now that there showing off these things im sold.
bhp is not british horsepower, it's brake horsepower. as in the horsepower at the brake disk, rather than at the crank. our licensing restrictions are measured on the horsepower at the rear brake rather than the crank, which is why bhp is the most used one in the uk
Harley does have a new bike for beginners called the X440 but they won't sell it in the USA. It's an air-cooled single. Another option for lower budgets is the Genuine G400C, another air-cooled thumper for $3,999. Honda won't sell their CB350RS in the USA. Nice under-square air-cooled thumper.
Retro versions of the existing Japanese beginner bikes certainly wouldn't hurt. XSR300 Z400RS (Honda kinda already has that retro 300.) Suzuki well... we don't really ask much of Suzuki these days.
Honda isn't that bad. They have the CB lineup. Suzuki and Yamaha on the other hand feels like they have only one bike with different engine. BMW as well.
I think the best thing that could happen for the future of motorcycling, to get a new generation of riders on bikes, is for respectable manufacturers to start selling sub 500cc bikes direct to the customer. In the US the dealer fees are getting really out of hand. It’s hard to get any of these low displacement bikes out the door within $1000 of the price of the bike. So you’re talking like 20%+ markups. The dealers literally charge you the freight shipping to have the bike shipped to the dealership and then the dealership adds additional fees on top of that. For inexpensive bikes these fees end up being a huge portion of the overall cost of the bike. When some of us own TVs that are more expensive than the list price of the bike and we can have those TVs delivered right to our homes. If I have to pay freight shipping I want it shipped directly to my house. Let me deal with “Yamaha financing” directly. The dealership model makes sense for more expensive bikes where the fees end up being a less significant portion of the out the door cost and we do need reputable places to have bikes serviced. But I believe this is a big reason new riders in the US would rather buy a used mt07 over a new mt03. Or a used harley over a Honda rebel 500. And I believe that contributed to the unsafe reputation motorcycles have here. On lot of these small bikes the dealers are doing little to no assembly. Often times they are literally are just screwing in the mirrors and filling them with fluids. I don’t want to pay someone else hundreds of dollars for something that takes me 2 minutes to do.
These new triumphs really hit a sweet niche I feel. The performance of a modern 400, with the styling of a classic one. I honestly was expecting Kawasaki to do this first with a Z400RS, but instead Triumph beat them there. I also find it weird that Yamaha has a 125 and 700cc XSR, but nothing to bridge that gap. Honda also kinda disappoints with the CL500, you can very clearly tell it's based on the rebel, it's oddly pricey and has nothing indicating that it'll do well offroad. Whereas the Scrambler 400x seems like it could be a much more lightweight and manageable version of the 1200cc scrambler, which is way too heavy for a "scrambler". I really quite like the idea of having a retro styled bike with ADV like capabilities, minus the wind protection.
I agree, while a 300cc motorcycle may be good for a teenager as a first bike, they are anemic at best. What adults need for a beginner motorcycle is completely different in my mind. What a beginner adult needs is a motorcycle they won’t outgrow in a month of riding. What that means is a 400-500cc bike that makes 40-50HP, can run 80 miles an hour all day long on the interstate without making you feel like your wringing it’s neck off, handle well when you hit the twistys with enough umph to make it fun, and look good doing it. This new 400 Triumph looks awesome, and if the power numbers are correct they may have just hit a home run. Honda has the Rebel based 500cc line of bikes, but let’s be honest, they are bland at best albeit reliable.
I'd like to see a sub-300lb 400cc plated 4-stroke enduro from them, from anyone really. (Triumph is famously working on an off-road line) I think it's a market sweet spot and there is not much out there, other than the DRZ, a fine Back to the Future bike to me. I know asking less than $10K for a bike like that is a pipe dream, but it sure would be nice
I have owned several triumph motorcycles and am currently riding a tiger explorer. That said I won't buy another and it's not the bike but rather the dealer network and maintenance costs are ridiculous.
I'm really digging the Roadster ! Hope they sell a billion here in the USA so I can pick a used one later from someone moving up in the "food chain" and bored of his/her "beginner bike". 👌😁👍
The smaller displacement market is getting more fun options, and the Triumphs will make great additions. However, I feel your point about Japanese manufactures getting complacent like Harley Davidson is spot on. People are leery about companies like CFMOTO, but they are trying their darndest to shake the stigma. For example, look at the 450SS versus the Ninja 400. You're getting a fair bit more at the same price for the CFMOTO bike in exchange for unproven longevity. Is that gonna be enough to sway someone from getting a Ninja? If I were Kawasaki(or any of the other Big 4), I'd be positioning my bikes so that it wasn't even a question. Sadly, you can look at Honda and Suzuki and see how much they have just rested on their laurels. The GSX-R 250 is not really worth mentioning in any conversation of comparison and I don't think Honda even brought back the CBR300R for the 2023 model year. This is all USDM specific, and I know that here, motorcycles aren't seen as primary vehicles, which really does color what we do get here(along with a lot of other factors beyond the scope of discussion), but it would be nice to have some of the options that other countries get.
> The GSX-R 250 is not really worth mentioning in any conversation of comparison Yeah, because Gixxer 250 will replace them. Lighter, cheaper (single cylinder), more modern, slightly higher power overall. And before anyone argue "But that was Indian" so is BAJAJ Triumph 400.
Harley riders tend to think a 1200 is a beginner motorcycle. Part of the culture I guess, right or wrong. Yes Japan is lagging like crazy in just about all areas.
When are you gonna do a proper and honest review of the RE interceptor 650??? just saying lol... love your videos! keep up the good work! greetings from Peru!
You’re wrong, sir the good thing about royal Himalayan , Hunter 350 is price …value for money. Triumph late to the game. It’s good to see that RE has made the motorcycle industry change there business model…
Price is important but US Himalayans owners sure make a lot of noise about their Himalayans being very unreliable. Mine seems OK but if I had half the problems some folk do I’d have pushed it off a cliff by now. :-)
U dont want a "fast" beginner type bike. For the learning of controllable instinctual habits. Doesnt matter what nannies u have on the bike, if u panic and grab the throttle ur gonna hit that car faster and sooner, having less time to recover from said panic to properly avoid/stop
I hate the label "beginner bike" small displacement bikes have their purpose. If all the riding I did was suburban I'd love one of those and I've been riding since 1980
I am really really excited about the Triumph 400's. I am looking to buy my first bike and right now it's a total toss-up between these and the Husky 401. Especially the Svart as I like that look a lot. As far as the Japanese bikes go, the Honda 500's seem like really good beginner bikes but with the Triumph priced right around 5k, MSRP, Honda can't touch that and neither can Kawasaki. plus, there is something about that speed 400 with the giant triumph logo all loud and proud on the tank that just looks great. For me it will be sitting on the bike and if it's comfortable, then I'm going to buy it.
While we call these bikes beginner you shouldn't forget that there are many places where these bikes are considered normal bikes places where it's rare to see a bike bigger than 400cc and those places are huge markets. And i think Triumph is aiming at those markets with these bikes Triumph has a good reputation as a premium brand and i think people in those places are willing to spend a bit extra to drive a Triumph bike.
Not to mention a lot of common sense riders who don’t want to spend 20 to 30k for power they will never use. That speed 400 will almost certainly do everything I want to do on a motorcycle (get to speed limit fairly quickly, have safe fun and be comfortable)
In vast majority of Southeast Asia, anything above 250cc count as luxury item. And probably same in India too with 400cc. Likewise, this bike would be an interesting deal in Japan where new bikers with standard license is legally restricted to 400cc.
QJ (China) and Hero (India) are building Harley badge motorcycles. Hero made Harley I bet will sell great in India, and in Nepal if they export here. Not sure if they'll be available in the US though.
I am excited about the Triumph 400s. I am excited about the RE 350cc bikes (wish they had a little more power). I am excited about any new motorcycle that is old tech and inexpensive. Think analog gauges, air cooled engines, easy to adjust valve train, chrome and metal bits,. Even carburetors are OK on a single cylinder motorcycle. They are not hard to clean and refresh. They will survive an electromagnetic pulse. You must think about the past when considering the future. I miss the old days when bikes were inexpensive, reliable, utilitarian, and beautiful. It's OK to be low tech. 🙂
Yeah most people don’t know the beginner Japanese bikes are all made in countries other than Japan. Even my old ER-6n was made in Thailand I think or the Philippines
Fun fact, Kawasaki has a history with working with Bajaj. They have rebadged Bajaj bikes before as their own in the Philippines. In Malaysia, Kawasaki bikes are rebadged as Modenas who also rebadges Bajaj bikes as Modenas. It's said that Harley Davidson is making a motorcycle with Hero Motor Corp, an Indian company that has its roots being a partnership with Honda. One must remember that unlike western manufacturers they are all just one part of a larger conglomerate. Kawasaki has Heavy Industries, Suzuki and Honda have their own cars and Yamaha makes grand pianos, electric guitars, virtual singers and when I was a kid the best sounding recorders on the market. The flute kind. It's sad that they're just being treated as just another part of a larger corporate machine but sometimes being able to amaze enthusiasts every single day year in year out just doesn't make business sense when you're targeting a mass market audience.
as someone who bpught a rebel 300 last year as my beginner bike, im kicking myself because these 400's look great. however im planning on upgrading to a Scrambler 900 in the near future.
Honda has stepped up their beginner game tremendously. The new SCL500 Scrambler for $6799? The Rebel 300 and 500? The still fresh CB500X? The shorter CRF300LS? The super approachable XR150L for $2971??? Are you kidding me? That’s one Japanese brand that’s killing it in the beginner category. I still don’t think it will ever help sell the Fury though. Why does it exist? Does anybody want one?
There's a pretty decent coverage of 500's and 300's of Honda for example even to this day here in Europe/The Netherlands. New bike options are for example: CL500, CBR500R, CB500F, CB500X, Rebel 500, Forza and ADV 350 which are Scooters) and then there's CRF300 as well. Whilst Kawasaki has the Z and Ninja 400 of course still and Suzuki the Burgman 400 which is also a Scooter. KTM's 390 models. And BMW has G310 and the 400cc Scooters. And of course CFMoto has options and Royal Enfield as well. So I think Triumph does made a smart move to come out with these models. Adds a nice variety in an already quite crowded option base. But they'll fit in nicely and hope they will sell a lot of em. They look real good in my opinion as well. Hope pricewise they won't be too crazy cause that might hold a lot of people back to go with different options as well. Triumph's do have something about them which is appealing so there's always that.
I am more and more becoming intrigued by Triumph. I ride HD baggers but wouldn’t mind a 1200 bonny for around town. My grand daughter is getting ready for her first bike so one of these might be nifty. Main problem $6k isn’t exactly beginner pricing. I know the world we live in is expensive but sub $5k wud be better.
Honestly, if you want sub $5k you're gonna have to find a 400cc used, or get a Honda Grom. But for used, you'll want to look at Kawasaki Z400s and Yamaha MT03s. They're popular so they're pretty easy to find used. Ninja 400s are also fairly common.
How can Harley not make a still powerful single from the Nightster engine making a premium but still manageable beginners bike or that first trade in from a different beginners bike.
Well, they do have really nice bikes. It's just the fact that India is a very price focused market and International prices are too much for Indian consumers. Locally made motorcycles are much cheaper in India and that what Japanese companies need to do.
@@phoenix3580 But that is the thing, contrary to what motorcycle manufacturers seem to think not everyone in the west is rich. A great majority of ordinary working class people (heaven forbid if you have a family) do make enough money just to live. If they want to get into motorcycling as a hobby the prices of new motorcycles are so outragous that it is impossible to buy or even bank finance without commiting a financial suicide. Sure there are always used ones but for those you better to have some basic wrenching skills (and place to do it, doing it in a parking lot under the heat of a sun sucks) because you never know what kind of hidden bombs you may get. Motorcycling used to be cheap, a simple transport vehicle for every day man. Now it has become a luxury hobby for the upper classes.
@@MaaZeus idk bro, I'm here in New Zealand. I'm a security guard, have no bad debts and own a Indian Scout. Maybe just because I don't have a family I think differently.
@@phoenix3580 I am a steel storage worker in Finland and I couldn't even hope to drop 15000 euros for lightly used Scout as much as I'd love to own one. 😅 My weapon of choice right now is a 2005 Triumph Speedmaster 865cc that I got for about 4000.
I've been looking at all the recent reviews on the new 400s from Triumph, and it looks like Triumph has really done their homework to make these bikes highly competitive in the beginner market. And that they've spent their time to make the bikes affordable, but actually putting their time into making them as good as they can. I'd say as long as they can get the prices closer to that of Japanese offerings, then they have a lot of potential to steal business from Japan. Though, if they can't get the bikes in the low 6 grand range or less, than they might not be that much of a threat. Hard to say at the same time. If they're as well made or similar to their higher end bikes, then they might have enough exotic feel and sound to them where people are willing to spend more. I also think the Japanese could improve - especially since Chinese are finally starting to get into the game where they can make an ok bike now. I mean, under 3 grand for a bike is amazing.
They aren’t trail blazing with these. There’s a lot of bikes in the size price range. They will sell as well as Triumphs sell. They just get people into the brand at an earlier point. Japanese manufacturers have models in other countries we don’t see. Harley markets used Harley’s as a cheaper way to get into the brand. In the USA we need to get more people riding at an earlier age. JNTC
KTM 390, BMW 310, Harley X440 are also built in India.. Bajaj owns 49% of KTM and builds their sub 400 capacity motorcycles. It’s TVS (not Bajaj) that builds Mini BMWs. Hero motor Corp builds Harley’s X440
400 is better for the UK next tax band means it might as well be a 600cc I'm hoping kawasaki do a z400rs . The z650rs is much to expensive for just a style exercise with a 180° crank and 67hp and £111 road tax in the UK.
The environmentalists are forcing manufacturers to reevaluate how they make their products. Royal Enfield is leading the way with smaller displacement engines that are well built and fun to ride.
As someone who has been looking to get started in motorcycling for at least a year now, Triumph might have just sold me a new bike..! I always loved the look of the Trident 660. That said, I dunno if I could wait until 2024 eeekk
For people who are not rich, like me, a japanese bike is more appealing simply for the reliability. Even if the bike is not made in japan, is still mechanically more reliable. And the ease on mind of knowing we have a tank that just won't break is very appealing when shelling out 6k...
Kawasaki could just make a Z400RS and shut Triumph up. The Z400 seems like a great bike but that generic standard/kinda-sporty bike styling just doesn't do it. And if Honda put a 270 degree crank in their 500cc and updated the CB500F to the retro "R" style, that'd kill too
Maybe for you these are beginner bikes but as but for me a 74 yr older rider who has been riding for 55 yrs and NEVER owned a bike over 400cc and don't want to either one of these could be a main ride for me !!
Among the Chinese ones CFmoto and banelli are good ones. That doesn't mean HD can put a sticker and call a banelli an HD. They need to do it like triumph and do some RnD.
These bikes look great and are powerful enough to be more than a beginner only bike.... The question is COST? The cost is key because the under 650cc market is loaded with bikes that are under 6k... I am thinking it will go for the INT650 market and it will do great, the reason to me the INT650 motorcycle does so well is because it is bigger falls between the 650cc water cooled sport/naked bikes and the beginner 300-450cc sports/naked bikes. It will be interesting these next few years!!!
I think these 2 Triumphs look cool, but I can't personally comfortably ride a bike with those styles. They just create too much pressure on my pelvic area. I did, on the other hand, buy a bike. Spite absolutely can't stand. The Kawasaki Vulcan S. I'm really enjoying it as my first ever bike in my life. I don't expect Spite to respond, but he is a big reason why I bought my bike. By rekindling my youthful yurning to have and ride a motorcycle. Thanks again, Spite, and I enjoy your videos. 😊
What do you think of these new Triumphs? Do you think the Big 4 needs to update they're offerings?
They'll go with the flow and bring something new, they're not in a hurry though. Keep in mind, in terms of sheer production numbers, Honda cranks out in a few days what Triumph does in a year (not kidding).
I would be curious to see if spite can still speak with two hands on the bars
I ride a 2022 Triumph Trident 660, it's my first bike. I have had it for about a year and a half, and I love it. These new bikes are going to sell like hot-cakes.
I’ve been looking for something like this scrambler.
The Big 4 do a lot of bikes but the retro beginner bikes most aren’t sold everywhere like Honda with the 350s for example.
Yamaha could do a XSR 300 ?
(They do a XSR125 here in Europe which has 14hp)
The choices for naked or sports bikes are plenty but a beginner scrambler I’m struggling to find new ones.
We got the Scram411 or the SCL500
Don't really care what Japan needs to do, Triumph, BMW, KTM and RE are already there. And they are not necessarily "beginner" bikes, whatever that means nowadays. There's a difference between "beginner" and "beginner-friendly."
These bikes look great. And I think the little scrambler might prove pretty popular with people who actually want to ride them offroad, being smaller and lighter.
I'd like to see it compared to the new Honda CL500
I would never buy another Triumph because of poor quality control. Japanese motorcycles don't have to catch up to Triumph. Japanese motorcycles crush Triumph in most metrics but in particular, the most important one, reliability.
Pro tip: Don't waste your money on one of these India made Triumphs with no power. Find a barely used mid power Japanese motorcycle off Craigslist for less money that will actually shift and start after the warranty runs out. Triumph's poor record on quality is inexcusable.
Any questions....google it. Transmission failures are the most notable and Triumph dealers never stand behind their products because they know they are bad.
If I didn't already own a Trident 660, then I would buy one. But the style is too similar. However, if they eventually release a 500 cc cafe racer, then I would buy it.
@@lukewalker1051 Saying "India made" is shit then amping up the japanese bikes. As you said google it, some bikes from the big 4 are made and/or assembled in India.
This I agree with. Didn't realize they a doing such a small displacement Triumph scrambler.
Also, I am genuinely pumped that Triumph gave these bikes a modern monoshock instead of a cheaper twin shock setup which the bigger bikes use
I love the twin shocks. They're even ohlins. Monoshocks have become ubiquitous because they're cheaper for the manufacturer and not because they have some advantage for the end user, right?
@@TheShamefurDispray No spring are identical. Making the swingarm have different damping and rebound on each arm, increases risk for deathwooble. That is why modern motocycle have monoshock, to do the damping and rebound on the whole swingarm. Having the same damping and rebound rate on both side, eliminates back wheel wooble.
@TheShamefurDispray actually monoshocks are more expensive to manufacture thanks to complex internals and provide better ride and handling for the end consumer.
@@Greddi So forks are really unstable huh.
@@DaBinChe because you don't understand the physics behind it doesn't make him wrong. Fortnine has video on it that breaks it down.
My biggest worry is the dealers adding bullshit fees above MSRP to the point they are priced out of the beginner realm...
Unfortunately BS ADMU is out of control.
Most of the time they just don't have a choice but there are also dealers taking advantage of people. If a dealer just charged MSRP they'd go out of business. The manufacturers make these mandates and the dealers have to find a solution to pay for it.
@@SirNarax If that is the case, then either- the MSRP is simply wrong, or the dealer doesn't know how to manage their business. I know several dealers around me that are OVER paying for premium real estate. In my experience, people that are into motorcycles and such WILL find the dealer. I don't know of a single person that has ever said- "Hey Since that dealer is right there I guess I will go buy a beginner bike(or any bike for that matter)". NOBODY Thinks that way. Further still the ones I know that have the premium real estate tend to be snobs, like they are doing you a favor by allowing you to buy a bike from them.
@@SirNarax I worked for Kawasaki for six years and that statement wouldn’t be true back then. Maybe things have changed. Dealer invoice was 60% - 65% of MSRP back then. Hard to believe it’s changed all that much.
I've bought several triumphs before and after covid - if anyone paid over msrp for one they are doing it wrong. Yes some dealers will try to add on BS fees, so find another one that doesn't. The only model I've seen triumph hold their line on the MSRP are the special editions like Bond, Moto2, TFC versions, etc.
Brands like triumph and royal enfield have got to be the most competent manufacturers out there. They’re always making smart moves these days, especially enfield
I’m anxiously awaiting the Himilayan 650
I think that will be the klr killer
@@danieldoyle253might be a while for the 650…the new water cooled 450 is coming very soon
I have a thruxton RS, I passed a parked Meteor in town and it was a really nice matte army green. They’re sweet little bikes and I kinda want one now, I used to be a bit of a hater on enfield but I give credit where credit is due.
Definitely what i thought of the current motorcycle landscape. RE is definitely on the right path
Triumph has a problem with not honoring there faulty bikes. They left me with a bike that has no brakes that I bought brand new with complete service.I know several others with the same issue. There quality control is shit
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP METRIC NUMBERS, please continue doing so
I'm looking forward to the Triumph 400s. With a competitive price they can be great. A video comparing the 400 street (or scrambler) to the KTM 390 and the Husqy 401 is the video I am wishing to see in the near future.
Right On !
True. I already own a Trident 660. I use it for my daily commute. I kind of want a smaller bike that I can use around town on weekends. Have been thinking of the Husqy 401 or a Royal Enfield Interceptor. But maybe these Triumph 400's can be customized to look like a cafe racer.
I have booked this bike here in India. All 3 Husqy 401, KTM 390 & Speed 400 are made by same manufacturer (Bajaj) in India. They have SIGNIGICANTLY undercut KTM 390 in pricing while providing almost same hardware and electronics.
I think this is a smart move for Triumph. I'm sure some manufacturer or marketing firm has done studies about the percentage of people who buy the same brand for their second motorcycle, and I always thought Triumph was missing out by not offering an easier entry point for new motorcyclists. My first bike was a Triumph Street Scrambler (now re-named the Scrambler 900). I got started later in life than a lot of motorcyclists, so it was not an unreasonable first bike, and at that stage in my life, I could afford it, so I didn''t need to look at the lighter, cheaper Japanese-made starter bikes. My second bike is a Tiger 900 Rally Pro, so Triumph has now had two opportunities to drain my savings account. How many more motorcycles will I buy before I get too old to enjoy them safely? I don't know, but the answer is certainly fewer than someone who buys their first bike at the age of 25. With these new 400s, Triumph not only gains access to a previously untapped market, they increase the chances of selling more of their higher=end bikes for years to come. In this modern world of short-term thinking, get-rich-quick investment schemes, and disposable consumer products, it's a hopeful sign that Triumph is thinking in terms of decades instead of just the next quarter's profits.
Well said!
It's funny, I'm on my 5th bike, and other than the ancient clapped out Honda I owned back in college in the 80s for like 6 months before it blew up, I haven't yet owned two bikes from the same manufacturer. Haven't owned a Triumph yet though I was tempted on my last purchase.
Exactly the same with me. I actually had to scroll up after reading your first several sentences and make sure that I didn't post this earlier and then forget. Exactly my journey as well. Now I've owned 3 Triumphs over 5 years and while i have other bikes too, they have cemented themselves as my favorite OEM.
Because of my age 70 and physical limitations I don’t even have a bike anymore. So glad to see Triumph in their new glory !! As a teen in the 60’s I remember the Tridents and the Bonnevilles !! The Japanese will never change with the tunnel vision they have and the way they think. Not saying they don’t have great products. Still love to watch MC videos and you are great on your own now Spite !! Keep ‘em’ coming dude !! Thnx !!
I was thinking on getting a bmw 310 or a ktm 390 but now a triumph 400 is coming, wow. This is looking great, I got a cheap Chinese 250 a couple of years ago, and I was struggling on deciding on a new bike for daily commute in a city, where a 600+ is way too much! I'm from Mexico and I love your videos!
Thanks for making a video about these. I'm pretty impressed by them and love to hear what you have to say about them.
I was a tech at a Triumph dealer last year and I cannot express how excited I was when I heard about these bikes. Hands down this is the Triumph I will buy, and that is both because I'm cheap and because I want a lightweight bike with refined characteristics and that is exactly what these will be. I truly cannot wait to test ride the Scrambler 400 when it drops.
I think the Honda CL500 and Kawasaki Eliminator 450 are similar enough it won't matter too much. They are all expensive though especially with dealer fees. Plus I couldn't find any small new Hondas available last year in Austin so had to go with a Kawasaki.
I’m really on board with these 400cc Triumphs. Success will come down to price.
I love my KTM 390 Adventure to the moon and back, but, these Triumph 400's have definitely caught my attention.
The 390A has become too expensive. Hope Triumph will keep the price low.
@@NtmoffiI'm gonna guess the prices will be reasonable, seeing as the Trident is around $8700 or so and it's a 660cc, which is plenty reasonable for what you get; inverted Showa forks, Nissin brakes, triple cylinder engine; all things the Z650, MT07, and SV650 miss out on. I have one and been riding it for a few months, and I feel it was definitely worth the price.
Honda has the CB/GB350 and has yet to release it in the US despite the demand. So many people would buy it on looks alone
Funnily enough here in the Philippines, it was a japanese brand that brought a slew of indian bikes from Bajaj here (kawasaki) they brought the ns 200, 160, and RS200 under the Rouser moniker, Bajaj's flagship the Dominar 400, and recently the pulsar 250
And the Dominar is killing it out there that I definitely know
Yeah same, Pulsar sold as Kawasaki product in Indonesia.
Brilliant move by Triumph. I was going to buy a RE Hunter 350 for around town riding, and maybe scram it out to have a little fun off-road. I still may buy one and I'm a Triumph fanboy owning 2 of them today, so I'll wait to see what the price looks like here in the States. Looks like the Triumphs have quite a bit more power than the RE singles, so there's that, too.
It's going to have to be less than 7K. Otherwise most people will just pick the Trident 660 or a slightly used Street Triple.
It's going to be around ktm390 price. Maybe a bit cheaper.
I wouldn’t call them “beginner bikes”. I’ve been riding for 43 years, at some point we tend to appreciate lighter, more nimble motorcycles. I’m very interested in these bikes, I don’t do really long rides anymore, and I don’t want to spend a ton of $ on a new bike.
They won't be around 6000$ because that is where Royal Enfield is. The willingness to abandon the lower displacement segment a couple of years ago is what enabled REs comeback. Now that everyone is seeing them doing well they come back.
Recently in 2 days herley launched its 440x with the partnership with Indian bike manufacturer Hero and the price of it is similar to triumph street 400
HI Spite, I love the "we're all doomed" quote. Have a look at Private Frazer from the BBC comedy series "Dad's Army"; "we're all doomed" was his catchphrase and all Brits thought of it when we saw this video. Come to think of it, you could edit Pte Frazer in......
I always have liked Triumph. My brother had one and loved it and they are well-built.
The big 4 better be paying attention.
When you do the ural, get with Brandon Herrera, he's a Texas guy and he loves old Russian military tech and you can do a Collab shooting machine guns from the sidecar.
Funny you bring this video up...
Mum saw a RE contential 535 gt...and i helped her get the loan BEFORE she even had her learners all because the bike looked cool...and this was at a triumph dealer next door to a hd dealer...
If a bike like these were available ten years ago it would have easily been my first. The classic look, low price, and well known brand, game over. And the singles are gonna BRAP!
last year when my brother and i bought our first motorcycles we were both looking for 400ish adv bikes, he went with the Himalayan and i didnt want to copy him so i went with an older used g650gs, but had these triumphs been out we would have been fighting over who got the himi and who got the triumph. a year later now i think im past wanting a beginner bike. I am really glad more 400cc bikes are coming out though
I agree this will be a massive hit (as long as the price isnt crazy). I just cant believe HD isnt getting on board with a less expensive model to gain new riders.
Are you just returning from the moon? Harley has well publicized partnership with QJ of China to make a budget 350cc and 500cc bike. Hero of India is also making a bike for Harley.
@@andrewgee241 QJ is doing badging though. That's not a harley. Triumph did R&D on this one atleast part of it if not completely. As for the hero harley we don't know yet. I did hear rumors it's a new motor though. So maybe HD did some R&D on that one.
@@andrewgee241 I am aware of the Asian made Harleys, but unless I am mistaken there hasn't been an announcement that they will be for sale here. It is entirely possible I missed that upon re-entry.... signal drops for a couple minutes
Tomorrow Harley Davidson will launch 400+ cc HD 440X. will be built by Hero Motocorp. let's see tomorrow 🤞🏻
It's a Great looking bike.
My only wish is this bike kept the twin cylinder theme triumph is known for.
Ok so I have a 2001 Triumph TT 600, a 2023 Bonneville Bobber and that baby Scrambler has my interest. The Svartpilen 401 was on my short list but now that there showing off these things im sold.
Honda has a ready-made competitor if they'd just make it a little more premium with more power for the US market. The CB350.
bhp is not british horsepower, it's brake horsepower. as in the horsepower at the brake disk, rather than at the crank. our licensing restrictions are measured on the horsepower at the rear brake rather than the crank, which is why bhp is the most used one in the uk
It's a British company so they're British horses. My logic is flawless.
@@spitescorner cannot believe I hadn't considered that, the years of tea drinking have rotted my brain
The Bonnies are generally on the heavy side, wouldn't be surprised if they are reporting the dry weight
Harley does have a new bike for beginners called the X440 but they won't sell it in the USA. It's an air-cooled single. Another option for lower budgets is the Genuine G400C, another air-cooled thumper for $3,999. Honda won't sell their CB350RS in the USA. Nice under-square air-cooled thumper.
Retro versions of the existing Japanese beginner bikes certainly wouldn't hurt. XSR300 Z400RS (Honda kinda already has that retro 300.) Suzuki well... we don't really ask much of Suzuki these days.
Honda isn't that bad. They have the CB lineup. Suzuki and Yamaha on the other hand feels like they have only one bike with different engine. BMW as well.
Based on OEM's purchasing patterns in Japan, I'm fairly certain they are putting all their work into 2WEV's
I think the best thing that could happen for the future of motorcycling, to get a new generation of riders on bikes, is for respectable manufacturers to start selling sub 500cc bikes direct to the customer. In the US the dealer fees are getting really out of hand. It’s hard to get any of these low displacement bikes out the door within $1000 of the price of the bike. So you’re talking like 20%+ markups. The dealers literally charge you the freight shipping to have the bike shipped to the dealership and then the dealership adds additional fees on top of that. For inexpensive bikes these fees end up being a huge portion of the overall cost of the bike. When some of us own TVs that are more expensive than the list price of the bike and we can have those TVs delivered right to our homes. If I have to pay freight shipping I want it shipped directly to my house. Let me deal with “Yamaha financing” directly. The dealership model makes sense for more expensive bikes where the fees end up being a less significant portion of the out the door cost and we do need reputable places to have bikes serviced. But I believe this is a big reason new riders in the US would rather buy a used mt07 over a new mt03. Or a used harley over a Honda rebel 500. And I believe that contributed to the unsafe reputation motorcycles have here. On lot of these small bikes the dealers are doing little to no assembly. Often times they are literally are just screwing in the mirrors and filling them with fluids. I don’t want to pay someone else hundreds of dollars for something that takes me 2 minutes to do.
I'd trust the reliability of a Royal Enfield right up there with Honda. They really got their shit together under the current management.
Would buy one as soon as they start manufacturing in the UK.
I like how you have your phone mounted on the Hornet, do the same on my CB.
These new triumphs really hit a sweet niche I feel. The performance of a modern 400, with the styling of a classic one. I honestly was expecting Kawasaki to do this first with a Z400RS, but instead Triumph beat them there. I also find it weird that Yamaha has a 125 and 700cc XSR, but nothing to bridge that gap. Honda also kinda disappoints with the CL500, you can very clearly tell it's based on the rebel, it's oddly pricey and has nothing indicating that it'll do well offroad.
Whereas the Scrambler 400x seems like it could be a much more lightweight and manageable version of the 1200cc scrambler, which is way too heavy for a "scrambler". I really quite like the idea of having a retro styled bike with ADV like capabilities, minus the wind protection.
Yamaha actually have XSR155. Which have the smallest VVT engine in the commercial market producing 19 horsepower. Most 150cc produce 12-15 hp.
I agree, while a 300cc motorcycle may be good for a teenager as a first bike, they are anemic at best. What adults need for a beginner motorcycle is completely different in my mind. What a beginner adult needs is a motorcycle they won’t outgrow in a month of riding. What that means is a 400-500cc bike that makes 40-50HP, can run 80 miles an hour all day long on the interstate without making you feel like your wringing it’s neck off, handle well when you hit the twistys with enough umph to make it fun, and look good doing it. This new 400 Triumph looks awesome, and if the power numbers are correct they may have just hit a home run. Honda has the Rebel based 500cc line of bikes, but let’s be honest, they are bland at best albeit reliable.
I love my KTM 390 Adventure to the moon and back, but, these Triumph 400's have definitely caught my attention.
I love my KTM 390 Adventure to the moon and back, but, these Triumph 400's have definitely caught my attention.
I'd like to see a sub-300lb 400cc plated 4-stroke enduro from them, from anyone really. (Triumph is famously working on an off-road line) I think it's a market sweet spot and there is not much out there, other than the DRZ, a fine Back to the Future bike to me. I know asking less than $10K for a bike like that is a pipe dream, but it sure would be nice
Spite Thanks Much !.......
I have owned several triumph motorcycles and am currently riding a tiger explorer. That said I won't buy another and it's not the bike but rather the dealer network and maintenance costs are ridiculous.
I'm really digging the Roadster !
Hope they sell a billion here in the USA so I can pick a used one later from someone moving up in the "food chain" and bored of his/her "beginner bike". 👌😁👍
Bro was that Doom music for the intro? Metal af
The smaller displacement market is getting more fun options, and the Triumphs will make great additions. However, I feel your point about Japanese manufactures getting complacent like Harley Davidson is spot on. People are leery about companies like CFMOTO, but they are trying their darndest to shake the stigma. For example, look at the 450SS versus the Ninja 400. You're getting a fair bit more at the same price for the CFMOTO bike in exchange for unproven longevity. Is that gonna be enough to sway someone from getting a Ninja? If I were Kawasaki(or any of the other Big 4), I'd be positioning my bikes so that it wasn't even a question. Sadly, you can look at Honda and Suzuki and see how much they have just rested on their laurels. The GSX-R 250 is not really worth mentioning in any conversation of comparison and I don't think Honda even brought back the CBR300R for the 2023 model year.
This is all USDM specific, and I know that here, motorcycles aren't seen as primary vehicles, which really does color what we do get here(along with a lot of other factors beyond the scope of discussion), but it would be nice to have some of the options that other countries get.
> The GSX-R 250 is not really worth mentioning in any conversation of comparison
Yeah, because Gixxer 250 will replace them. Lighter, cheaper (single cylinder), more modern, slightly higher power overall. And before anyone argue "But that was Indian" so is BAJAJ Triumph 400.
corrections: BMW 310 triplet is manufactured by TVS...Harley in partnership with HERO(Indian) launched HD 440X...check it out
They did a full launch event for them last week in London
Harley riders tend to think a 1200 is a beginner motorcycle. Part of the culture I guess, right or wrong.
Yes Japan is lagging like crazy in just about all areas.
That's because Harley's 1200 engine makes less than 70 horsepower...
When are you gonna do a proper and honest review of the RE interceptor 650??? just saying lol... love your videos! keep up the good work! greetings from Peru!
You’re wrong, sir the good thing about royal Himalayan , Hunter 350 is price …value for money. Triumph late to the game. It’s good to see that RE has made the motorcycle industry change there business model…
Price is important but US Himalayans owners sure make a lot of noise about their Himalayans being very unreliable. Mine seems OK but if I had half the problems some folk do I’d have pushed it off a cliff by now. :-)
nobody likes royal enfield
@@noahgoodman1237saw Nobody on John Wick 4 and don’t remember him riding a Royal Enfield… HMMMMMM although so far i love mine.
U dont want a "fast" beginner type bike. For the learning of controllable instinctual habits. Doesnt matter what nannies u have on the bike, if u panic and grab the throttle ur gonna hit that car faster and sooner, having less time to recover from said panic to properly avoid/stop
Do a video on airbag vests.
I hate the label "beginner bike" small displacement bikes have their purpose. If all the riding I did was suburban I'd love one of those and I've been riding since 1980
I am really really excited about the Triumph 400's. I am looking to buy my first bike and right now it's a total toss-up between these and the Husky 401. Especially the Svart as I like that look a lot. As far as the Japanese bikes go, the Honda 500's seem like really good beginner bikes but with the Triumph priced right around 5k, MSRP, Honda can't touch that and neither can Kawasaki. plus, there is something about that speed 400 with the giant triumph logo all loud and proud on the tank that just looks great. For me it will be sitting on the bike and if it's comfortable, then I'm going to buy it.
15:15 Harley does have a beginner option. It is the HD x440 and it is about to be launched in India today.
It’s not available globally. There is currently no new Harley under 1000cc or under $10k in the states. They even
discontinued the 883.
You shoult put some work in the hornet :) so that it shines again. Would love to see a hands on again.
I think that speed 400 looks super tempting. Seems like it might be high revving without as much low end torque as the competition?
It's lower reving than ktm and the Japanese bikes it's higher reving the the Royal Enfield.
It's medium. That's the best way to put it. It's main competition will be KTM390. Unless you want the adv version I think most will pick triumph.
G, day I think it's a game changer the new triumph great move triumph.
While we call these bikes beginner you shouldn't forget that there are many places where these bikes are considered normal bikes places where it's rare to see a bike bigger than 400cc and those places are huge markets. And i think Triumph is aiming at those markets with these bikes Triumph has a good reputation as a premium brand and i think people in those places are willing to spend a bit extra to drive a Triumph bike.
Not to mention a lot of common sense riders who don’t want to spend 20 to 30k for power they will never use. That speed 400 will almost certainly do everything I want to do on a motorcycle (get to speed limit fairly quickly, have safe fun and be comfortable)
@@ChadWintersagreed 💯
In vast majority of Southeast Asia, anything above 250cc count as luxury item. And probably same in India too with 400cc. Likewise, this bike would be an interesting deal in Japan where new bikers with standard license is legally restricted to 400cc.
QJ (China) and Hero (India) are building Harley badge motorcycles. Hero made Harley I bet will sell great in India, and in Nepal if they export here. Not sure if they'll be available in the US though.
I am excited about the Triumph 400s. I am excited about the RE 350cc bikes (wish they had a little more power). I am excited about any new motorcycle that is old tech and inexpensive. Think analog gauges, air cooled engines, easy to adjust valve train, chrome and metal bits,. Even carburetors are OK on a single cylinder motorcycle. They are not hard to clean and refresh. They will survive an electromagnetic pulse. You must think about the past when considering the future. I miss the old days when bikes were inexpensive, reliable, utilitarian, and beautiful. It's OK to be low tech. 🙂
Yeah most people don’t know the beginner Japanese bikes are all made in countries other than Japan. Even my old ER-6n was made in Thailand I think or the Philippines
Fun fact, Kawasaki has a history with working with Bajaj.
They have rebadged Bajaj bikes before as their own in the Philippines. In Malaysia, Kawasaki bikes are rebadged as Modenas who also rebadges Bajaj bikes as Modenas.
It's said that Harley Davidson is making a motorcycle with Hero Motor Corp, an Indian company that has its roots being a partnership with Honda.
One must remember that unlike western manufacturers they are all just one part of a larger conglomerate. Kawasaki has Heavy Industries, Suzuki and Honda have their own cars and Yamaha makes grand pianos, electric guitars, virtual singers and when I was a kid the best sounding recorders on the market. The flute kind.
It's sad that they're just being treated as just another part of a larger corporate machine but sometimes being able to amaze enthusiasts every single day year in year out just doesn't make business sense when you're targeting a mass market audience.
thinking to get a 900 after I get done with the scl500 I have
as someone who bpught a rebel 300 last year as my beginner bike, im kicking myself because these 400's look great. however im planning on upgrading to a Scrambler 900 in the near future.
Honda has stepped up their beginner game tremendously. The new SCL500 Scrambler for $6799? The Rebel 300 and 500? The still fresh CB500X? The shorter CRF300LS? The super approachable XR150L for $2971??? Are you kidding me? That’s one Japanese brand that’s killing it in the beginner category.
I still don’t think it will ever help sell the Fury though. Why does it exist? Does anybody want one?
There's a pretty decent coverage of 500's and 300's of Honda for example even to this day here in Europe/The Netherlands. New bike options are for example: CL500, CBR500R, CB500F, CB500X, Rebel 500, Forza and ADV 350 which are Scooters) and then there's CRF300 as well. Whilst Kawasaki has the Z and Ninja 400 of course still and Suzuki the Burgman 400 which is also a Scooter. KTM's 390 models. And BMW has G310 and the 400cc Scooters. And of course CFMoto has options and Royal Enfield as well.
So I think Triumph does made a smart move to come out with these models. Adds a nice variety in an already quite crowded option base. But they'll fit in nicely and hope they will sell a lot of em. They look real good in my opinion as well. Hope pricewise they won't be too crazy cause that might hold a lot of people back to go with different options as well.
Triumph's do have something about them which is appealing so there's always that.
I am more and more becoming intrigued by Triumph. I ride HD baggers but wouldn’t mind a 1200 bonny for around town. My grand daughter is getting ready for her first bike so one of these might be nifty. Main problem $6k isn’t exactly beginner pricing. I know the world we live in is expensive but sub $5k wud be better.
Honestly, if you want sub $5k you're gonna have to find a 400cc used, or get a Honda Grom. But for used, you'll want to look at Kawasaki Z400s and Yamaha MT03s. They're popular so they're pretty easy to find used. Ninja 400s are also fairly common.
Intro song sounds dope. I heard some DOOM influences in there
How can Harley not make a still powerful single from the Nightster engine making a premium but still manageable beginners bike or that first trade in from a different beginners bike.
I'm excited about both of these 400s. Japan does need to get back to work and produce the bikes customers want.
Well, they do have really nice bikes. It's just the fact that India is a very price focused market and International prices are too much for Indian consumers. Locally made motorcycles are much cheaper in India and that what Japanese companies need to do.
@@phoenix3580 But that is the thing, contrary to what motorcycle manufacturers seem to think not everyone in the west is rich. A great majority of ordinary working class people (heaven forbid if you have a family) do make enough money just to live. If they want to get into motorcycling as a hobby the prices of new motorcycles are so outragous that it is impossible to buy or even bank finance without commiting a financial suicide. Sure there are always used ones but for those you better to have some basic wrenching skills (and place to do it, doing it in a parking lot under the heat of a sun sucks) because you never know what kind of hidden bombs you may get.
Motorcycling used to be cheap, a simple transport vehicle for every day man. Now it has become a luxury hobby for the upper classes.
@@MaaZeus idk bro, I'm here in New Zealand. I'm a security guard, have no bad debts and own a Indian Scout. Maybe just because I don't have a family I think differently.
@@phoenix3580 I am a steel storage worker in Finland and I couldn't even hope to drop 15000 euros for lightly used Scout as much as I'd love to own one. 😅 My weapon of choice right now is a 2005 Triumph Speedmaster 865cc that I got for about 4000.
@@MaaZeus well, I hope things get better for you. Anyways, any motorcycle is better than no motorcycle. Ride your ass off. 🤙🏽
I've been looking at all the recent reviews on the new 400s from Triumph, and it looks like Triumph has really done their homework to make these bikes highly competitive in the beginner market. And that they've spent their time to make the bikes affordable, but actually putting their time into making them as good as they can.
I'd say as long as they can get the prices closer to that of Japanese offerings, then they have a lot of potential to steal business from Japan. Though, if they can't get the bikes in the low 6 grand range or less, than they might not be that much of a threat. Hard to say at the same time. If they're as well made or similar to their higher end bikes, then they might have enough exotic feel and sound to them where people are willing to spend more.
I also think the Japanese could improve - especially since Chinese are finally starting to get into the game where they can make an ok bike now. I mean, under 3 grand for a bike is amazing.
God I love these new Triumphs, They are killing it.
Doesn't Honda sell more bikes than the next top 3 combined? I don't think they're worried.
The man talking like the zx4r didn’t just come out.
They aren’t trail blazing with these. There’s a lot of bikes in the size price range. They will sell as well as Triumphs sell. They just get people into the brand at an earlier point. Japanese manufacturers have models in other countries we don’t see. Harley markets used Harley’s as a cheaper way to get into the brand. In the USA we need to get more people riding at an earlier age. JNTC
need the honda cb in america and europe to!!!( the 350 model in india only)
I just spent all day riding RE bikes and they were amazing.
So now there's a hipster upscale scram? lol this'll be fun.
How have you not reacted to the announced HD 440x?
KTM 390, BMW 310, Harley X440 are also built in India.. Bajaj owns 49% of KTM and builds their sub 400 capacity motorcycles.
It’s TVS (not Bajaj) that builds Mini BMWs. Hero motor Corp builds Harley’s X440
I really hope these bikes encourages Kawasaki to drop a Z400RS or a Z450RS
I guess we'll see how the Eliminator 450 does
400 is better for the UK next tax band means it might as well be a 600cc I'm hoping kawasaki do a z400rs . The z650rs is much to expensive for just a style exercise with a 180° crank and 67hp and £111 road tax in the UK.
@@chrishart8548 I want an RS with the 636 engine, I need my screaming inline 4:)
@Furious1331 finding an old 550 or 750 kawasaki Zepher would get you closer than anything else I can think of.
@@chrishart8548 the honda 650 or suz gsxs 750 are both right there but I love my Kawa 4's. I had an old 550, fun bike.
The environmentalists are forcing manufacturers to reevaluate how they make their products. Royal Enfield is leading the way with smaller displacement engines that are well built and fun to ride.
As someone who has been looking to get started in motorcycling for at least a year now, Triumph might have just sold me a new bike..! I always loved the look of the Trident 660. That said, I dunno if I could wait until 2024 eeekk
The CL500 is now available
For people who are not rich, like me, a japanese bike is more appealing simply for the reliability.
Even if the bike is not made in japan, is still mechanically more reliable.
And the ease on mind of knowing we have a tank that just won't break is very appealing when shelling out 6k...
Kawasaki could just make a Z400RS and shut Triumph up. The Z400 seems like a great bike but that generic standard/kinda-sporty bike styling just doesn't do it. And if Honda put a 270 degree crank in their 500cc and updated the CB500F to the retro "R" style, that'd kill too
Maybe for you these are beginner bikes but as but for me a 74 yr older rider who has been riding for 55 yrs and NEVER owned a bike over 400cc and don't want to either one of these could be a main ride for me !!
How do you think it compares to something like the Z400? Thanks for the great review.
Among the Chinese ones CFmoto and banelli are good ones. That doesn't mean HD can put a sticker and call a banelli an HD. They need to do it like triumph and do some RnD.
just got back from my local bike dealership. 9k for the honda scl500 after tax and fees. seemed kinda steep so i walked away to think it over
Hi did you know Harley is launching a 400x in India soon ?
These bikes look great and are powerful enough to be more than a beginner only bike.... The question is COST? The cost is key because the under 650cc market is loaded with bikes that are under 6k... I am thinking it will go for the INT650 market and it will do great, the reason to me the INT650 motorcycle does so well is because it is bigger falls between the 650cc water cooled sport/naked bikes and the beginner 300-450cc sports/naked bikes. It will be interesting these next few years!!!
Loving the new bike god damn imagine making content so good someone donates and that donation is a running motorcycle😂 wow.
Where are the bottom sprocket videos?
I think these 2 Triumphs look cool, but I can't personally comfortably ride a bike with those styles. They just create too much pressure on my pelvic area. I did, on the other hand, buy a bike. Spite absolutely can't stand. The Kawasaki Vulcan S. I'm really enjoying it as my first ever bike in my life. I don't expect Spite to respond, but he is a big reason why I bought my bike. By rekindling my youthful yurning to have and ride a motorcycle. Thanks again, Spite, and I enjoy your videos. 😊