In 1976, the Houston Astros had a rain-IN. The players got to the dome around 9:00 A.M. Then a huge thunderstorm hit the city and dumped six inches of rain on the streets, so the fans couldn't get there.
Dome was never consideration for Buffalo the owner and the local government officials wanted no part of a dome as it would have been too expensive. It was cheaper to do an outdoor stadium. Plus they wanted it to be cold weather in the stadium. The government officials didn’t even want to get a new stadium, but they didn’t want to take the risk of losing the team, so they reluctantly allowed it to happen the reason why there’s still gonna be an orchard park besides the owner wanting them there is because the heart of Buffalo would have been double the money for the cost of the stadium being actually in downtown Buffalo plus it would have been crazy to have it downtown.
The Haslams originally proposed building a new domed stadium at E. 17th and Lakeside, in a No Man's Land area of downtown just east of the Erieview Tower. It's a totally blighted area of downtown, and it would've been a perfect place for the new stadium because it would sit just south of the Muni Lot where all the tailgating happens. Then, the city could take back the lakefront and demolish the current stadium, and do something truly useful like make it a really nice park. But of course, Cleveland said no, because Cleveland is Cleveland, and it's run by imbeciles.
@MegaSlowe I think that would have been the best place to build. I'm not sure why they city turned it down. If not there. Build on Orange, south of the jake, and the q. To easy.. But it's Cleveland
Well not full I would say 75% owners 25% city and county. That's a fair deal. If you can't agree on 25% don't throw a temper tantrum when your team leaves 🤔
By the way, I think that dome stadiums and artificial turf should be banned! Once in a while, they should do a cold weather city, for the Super Bowl. Maybe every five years.
@@shortyzander1341 exactly a bunch of old heads stuck in there ways. People don’t even go to these cold weather games. They have the worse attendance every time😭
This would be perfect, especially if there could be parking around the new stadium. This is also closer to Berea and their practice facilities. Hasn’t Cleveland already lost the Browns once? Politicians are stupid if they can’t understand the big picture? Make it work Brook Park!
As someone who was born and raised in Northeast Ohio (in Bedford Heights), Brook Park seems like a terrible location for an NFL stadium - especially one with a dome. It's a no-man's land in that area. It would be like when the Cavs played in Richfield during the '70s and '80s. Keep the Browns IN Cleveland!
Mayfield heights here. It’s a billion dollar renovation for the airport. I’m pretty sure they’ll work out the rest. We both know Jimmy would love the opportunity too build his own browns town.
It’s not really remotely comparable to Richfield because that’s the countryside and Brook Park is a densely populated suburb. However, it is still a completely stupid idea and location, if not even more so than Richfield.
Just out of curiosity, how many final fours or Super Bowls have been in Detroit? The NFL went there 1 time in 2006. It’s hard to compete with New Orleans, Vegas, LA and Miami. Just to name a few.
I didn’t understand it when they built the new stadiums in Cleveland and Cincinnati years ago and neither had a roof. I sure hope Chicago’s new stadium will have a roof when that saga ends.
The Haslam sports group doesn't benifit financially from anything out side of the stadium in the purposed lakefront renovation plans, which limits their investment.
Let’s see what Jimmy Haslam can do! I mean, Bud Adams (Houston/Tennessee Oilers, later Titans). tried to ask for renovations, then a new stadium. Closer to home, you know what happened with the previous owner.
And here’s the thing the Cleveland Browns have that court case between the NFL and Art Modell, which was settled out of court which per claims that the Cleveland Browns can’t move again in the future therefore they have to stay in Cleveland. Yes Hasland could probably contested in court, but it would take years of litigation.
@rowdyjr2318 This was a rushed project when the Browns returned to Cleveland in 1999 and was outdated from the get-go. It wssnt a trend we hopped on, we have wanted a new stadium or heavy renovation since atleast 2010. Also doesnt LA have the highest homeless population?
It’s because if gobs of money is going to be dumped into state of the art construction, you’re going to want it to be used for more than 50 hours a year. That’s literally the entire purpose of Cleveland going to a dome. The current stadium lease is up in 5 years and it was only meant to be a temporary stadium (they had to rush one in when the franchise moved to Baltimore then immediately reclaimed the rights for an “expansion” Browns to be shoehorned into the league)
@@onlyonezay419 I was at that browns vs saints game last year where it was 20 below and we lost. We lost to a southern team that plays in a dome so it was a pretty miserable game to attend.
The Haslams have not purchased the Brookpark land. That's not even a good location. There would be restrictions on construction due to the airport. It also has no infrastructure to get to the site. The nearest public transportation goes directly to the airport, which is across two major freeways from the site. Also the site was formerly Ford Motors. I guarantee it's contaminated.
Now, I don’t believe a city should pay the full bill, but a city should pay a partial amount at least anything attached to infrastructure roads parking situation because the city is going to benefit from a stadium with a dome because now there’s events are gonna be able to come there, and that tons of money economy from hotels to restaurants to everything elseso I don’t agree that they should pay the whole bill but they should pay a portion and we won’t even talk about the job that’s being constructed again that’s all local that stays in town
The lakefront sucks. The parking situation is atrocious possibly the worst in the league, the location is miserable to navigate in and out of with the interstate, you only get 4 or 5 decent weather games a season , the stadium only host 10-12 activities counting football a year. Cleveland needs a modern dome that can host 30-40 events a year it would generate so much economic impact and tax revenue it would pay for itself. Leaving Cleveland lakefront should happen whether the city plays ball or not.
Building a dome in Buffalo would not work due to the lake effect snow so the design with the overhang is the best and the same should apply to Cleveland Browns nothing wrong with the stadium just do a renovation and install overhang roof European style it will change the whole atmosphere in the stadium
The buffalo bills should play a game in Syracuse in case if buffalo is too dangerous to play football during a snowstorm. Besides, they have a dome stadium in Syracuse.
Teams need to do a thorough weather study before figuring out what type of stadium to build. Cleveland should’ve built a dome the first time. Taxpayers shouldn’t pay a dime. Let owners pay
So wait.. The Guardians and the Cavs got the public money, and they are getting their renovations, but the City of Cleveland doesn't want to do it to the football stadium. Where have I heard that before? I wonder what happened the last time this situation occurred. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it... I wonder if Baltimore would want a 2nd football team... nah this is totally different. Isn't it?
The state of Ohio has a requirement for pro sports franchises to have their team up for sale in a six month period, if the team announced plans to move. That came to pass when the Columbus Crew of the MLS got an offer from Austin, TX to move there- with that league's support. Ironically, it was the Haslam's who came to the rescue, and with a stadium built in a corner of downtown Columbus, the Crew is where it belongs. Austin got an expansion team.
Then get Taylor Swift to pay for it. Minnesota stadium was funded statewide, but Taylor Swift said nothing after they still closed schools in the northern half of Minnesota. They also have wolf reintroduction in NW MN, but Taylor Swift conveniently did not say anything about either. Do you think Taylor Swift cares about the new tax bill for stadiums in Kansas City or Cleveland?
@@fromthehaven94 The comment said concert, so I am not referring to Taylor Swift in boxed seats, and I am referring to the Taylor Swift stadium concert tour. It is right in the title, and so all the concerts were NFL, and so none were NBA arenas. Katy Perry does mostly NBA arenas for instance so it is only over a certain scale monetarily.
They legally can’t because of the court case that happened between Art Modell the NFL and the city of Cleveland. Yeah the NFL in the new owner could contest but it would take years of litigation to get a resolution. Look how long it took the Broncos franchise to figure out who owns the Broncos and if they legally could sell it.
They can't put dome on that dump it needs to be tore down and rebuild and that won't happen downtown because want to continue to play while the dome being built
Clev should forgo a dome. They are not a city that is going to get into a SB rotation, they should do like Buffalo is doing. Its going to be SF, Las Vegas, LA, Dallas, NO and MI. Those are your five in the rotation that will be getting multiple bids, those are the cities the NFL likes to go to. SF is already getting its second in a few years. And they should pay for their own d*&* buildings. Browns owners are worth over 4 billion. They can take out a loan and pay for it themselves. They just want free money.
When the city owns it, they use it as a money maker. There are 9-10 games a year. It is a big deal. Remove the stadium and the city will suffer. Soon to follow is the Indians…oops Gardians
Over course they want a dime stadium. They want to control all events at the stadium and real estate around the stadium.they want more corporate welfare. Give us billionaires all this for free. All team are trying to get these deals😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would love a dome. It would bring in so much more opportunity too our area. I hate going to watch games in negative degree weather and no players like playing in that bs. Also if Jimmy is paying for it all and he doesn’t leave northeast Ohio I don’t see an issue at all
Need to get off that old municipal lot. Its been a bad omen. Brookpark Browns sounds good. Easy access in and out north south east west. Need a state of the art dome. Lease is up after the 2028 season . So need to start breaking land soon this is 2024. So we would be at Cleveland Browns stadium 2024 to 2028 season. This new one will take at the least 3 yrs to build after the land bought is leveled. Its time. There is no homefield advantage in the playoffs in these AFC stadiums anymore. And certainly not in cleveland the last 40 some yrs. Red right 80. Denver 87. Besides most of the teams that make the playoffs in the AFC are cold weather teams . KC Buffalo Cincinnati Pittsburg Baltimore New England. Count the Jets also with Mr Rogers. And our most hated team the Broncos. 🟧🟫⬜️🟫🟧
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Games at Buffalo even with a dome face possible postponements. As the weather affects travel safety more so than the ability to play the game.
In 1976, the Houston Astros had a rain-IN. The players got to the dome around 9:00 A.M. Then a huge thunderstorm hit the city and dumped six inches of rain on the streets, so the fans couldn't get there.
Dome was never consideration for Buffalo the owner and the local government officials wanted no part of a dome as it would have been too expensive. It was cheaper to do an outdoor stadium. Plus they wanted it to be cold weather in the stadium. The government officials didn’t even want to get a new stadium, but they didn’t want to take the risk of losing the team, so they reluctantly allowed it to happen the reason why there’s still gonna be an orchard park besides the owner wanting them there is because the heart of Buffalo would have been double the money for the cost of the stadium being actually in downtown Buffalo plus it would have been crazy to have it downtown.
The Haslams originally proposed building a new domed stadium at E. 17th and Lakeside, in a No Man's Land area of downtown just east of the Erieview Tower. It's a totally blighted area of downtown, and it would've been a perfect place for the new stadium because it would sit just south of the Muni Lot where all the tailgating happens. Then, the city could take back the lakefront and demolish the current stadium, and do something truly useful like make it a really nice park. But of course, Cleveland said no, because Cleveland is Cleveland, and it's run by imbeciles.
Thats pretty damn close to the FBI building there. I wonder if they had something to do with it
@thekidfromcleveland3944 don't worry if we're getting a new stadium here in Nashville yall will get one in the near future.
@MegaSlowe I think that would have been the best place to build. I'm not sure why they city turned it down. If not there. Build on Orange, south of the jake, and the q. To easy.. But it's Cleveland
They expecting the taxpayers of Cuyahoga County to pay for part of this and the Haslems only a fraction? Owners need to pay for new stadiums in full.
Well not full I would say 75% owners 25% city and county. That's a fair deal. If you can't agree on 25% don't throw a temper tantrum when your team leaves 🤔
Owners and The LEAGUE should pay for any new stadium 🏟️.
So when do tenants rebuild their landlord's investments?
The City of Cleveland owns that stadium
Funny how all these cities can come up with funds or bonds for billionaires owners to get land & stadiums. But not a dime for affordable housing
Domes are for losers. Period.
ok grandpa
I agree.
By the way, I think that dome stadiums and artificial turf should be banned! Once in a while, they should do a cold weather city, for the Super Bowl. Maybe every five years.
@@crosstatt7441 are you going to attend and suffer in the cold?
@@shortyzander1341 exactly a bunch of old heads stuck in there ways. People don’t even go to these cold weather games. They have the worse attendance every time😭
move out of cleveland because it sucks trying to find affordable parking near the stadium
This would be perfect, especially if there could be parking around the new stadium. This is also closer to Berea and their practice facilities. Hasn’t Cleveland already lost the Browns once? Politicians are stupid if they can’t understand the big picture? Make it work Brook Park!
Brook park is a terrible location. The stadium isn't even that outdated
It’s definitely outdated.
The stadium was outdated when it was built dude. It was a rushed piece of junk
@@shortyzander1341 that sits on a landfill.
Parking in haslams lot around the Brook Park dome will be so much better!
@@neanderthalsnavel7411 nobody but westside people wanna go to brook park
As someone who was born and raised in Northeast Ohio (in Bedford Heights), Brook Park seems like a terrible location for an NFL stadium - especially one with a dome. It's a no-man's land in that area. It would be like when the Cavs played in Richfield during the '70s and '80s. Keep the Browns IN Cleveland!
Mayfield heights here. It’s a billion dollar renovation for the airport. I’m pretty sure they’ll work out the rest. We both know Jimmy would love the opportunity too build his own browns town.
It’s not really remotely comparable to Richfield because that’s the countryside and Brook Park is a densely populated suburb. However, it is still a completely stupid idea and location, if not even more so than Richfield.
I mean its near the IX center atleast
Hey, Richfield Coliseum was a great place to watch the Cavs back in the 80’s and early 90’s.
@@shortyzander1341 sure, but is that better than being near the convention center?
Just out of curiosity, how many final fours or Super Bowls have been in Detroit? The NFL went there 1 time in 2006. It’s hard to compete with New Orleans, Vegas, LA and Miami. Just to name a few.
I didn’t understand it when they built the new stadiums in Cleveland and Cincinnati years ago and neither had a roof. I sure hope Chicago’s new stadium will have a roof when that saga ends.
Because not every team should be a dome team. Football was made to be played in the elements.
@@TheSSUltimateGokuThis 100%
The Haslam sports group doesn't benifit financially from anything out side of the stadium in the purposed lakefront renovation plans, which limits their investment.
Let’s see what Jimmy Haslam can do! I mean, Bud Adams (Houston/Tennessee Oilers, later Titans). tried to ask for renovations, then a new stadium. Closer to home, you know what happened with the previous owner.
And here’s the thing the Cleveland Browns have that court case between the NFL and Art Modell, which was settled out of court which per claims that the Cleveland Browns can’t move again in the future therefore they have to stay in Cleveland. Yes Hasland could probably contested in court, but it would take years of litigation.
What's wrong with their current stadium??
It doesn't have solid gold toilet seats.
@rowdyjr2318 Fenway Park is the oldest stadium in the world (112 years), and the Red Sox think it'll last until 2061.
@rowdyjr2318 This was a rushed project when the Browns returned to Cleveland in 1999 and was outdated from the get-go. It wssnt a trend we hopped on, we have wanted a new stadium or heavy renovation since atleast 2010. Also doesnt LA have the highest homeless population?
The current stadium was crap the day it opened. It's a bargain basement stadium.
@Tank4Life I see nothing wrong with it.
No, they don’t.
a dome stadium its like telling the cowgirls come and win cause you all hate the cold weather 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It’s because if gobs of money is going to be dumped into state of the art construction, you’re going to want it to be used for more than 50 hours a year. That’s literally the entire purpose of Cleveland going to a dome. The current stadium lease is up in 5 years and it was only meant to be a temporary stadium (they had to rush one in when the franchise moved to Baltimore then immediately reclaimed the rights for an “expansion” Browns to be shoehorned into the league)
What game has the browns won since 99 because of cold weather ? We highly overrated that bs
@@onlyonezay419 I was at that browns vs saints game last year where it was 20 below and we lost. We lost to a southern team that plays in a dome so it was a pretty miserable game to attend.
@@shortyzander1341 these folks are super unrealistic. “Let’s play in the elements” yet they don’t actually attend those games and suffer in that shit
A dome stadium would allow the Browns to attract great coaching and players. Then donate the north for years to come.
Having a dome stadium would make sense for the Cleveland browns.
Because football is meant to be played on the elements
The Haslams have not purchased the Brookpark land. That's not even a good location. There would be restrictions on construction due to the airport. It also has no infrastructure to get to the site. The nearest public transportation goes directly to the airport, which is across two major freeways from the site. Also the site was formerly Ford Motors. I guarantee it's contaminated.
Ugh, if true we are going back to the dome era of 40 plus years ago. Titans doing a dome
Nashville wants to host a Super Bowl in the future.
A dome means artificial turf. That stinks
I heard they can have natural grass now not fully sure tho
@@onlyonezay419Arizona and las Vegas grow it outside and then move it in for the game but are having all kinds of problems
Now, I don’t believe a city should pay the full bill, but a city should pay a partial amount at least anything attached to infrastructure roads parking situation because the city is going to benefit from a stadium with a dome because now there’s events are gonna be able to come there, and that tons of money economy from hotels to restaurants to everything elseso I don’t agree that they should pay the whole bill but they should pay a portion and we won’t even talk about the job that’s being constructed again that’s all local that stays in town
The Cleveland Browns Won 4 awards. Not 3.
Dont you need to win first?
Then get a stadium?
The status not that old. Tired of all these greedy owners that want new statuims because there always new and better. So annoying
The lakefront sucks. The parking situation is atrocious possibly the worst in the league, the location is miserable to navigate in and out of with the interstate, you only get 4 or 5 decent weather games a season , the stadium only host 10-12 activities counting football a year. Cleveland needs a modern dome that can host 30-40 events a year it would generate so much economic impact and tax revenue it would pay for itself. Leaving Cleveland lakefront should happen whether the city plays ball or not.
Building a dome in Buffalo would not work due to the lake effect snow so the design with the overhang is the best and the same should apply to Cleveland Browns nothing wrong with the stadium just do a renovation and install overhang roof European style it will change the whole atmosphere in the stadium
I mean, it’s Brook Park, not damn Richfield with the Cavs before the Gund Arena
Why you wouldn't have put a dome on when it was the least cost prohibitive was sheer lunacy.
The Brook Park site has already had most of its buildings demolished aleady.
The buffalo bills should play a game in Syracuse in case if buffalo is too dangerous to play football during a snowstorm. Besides, they have a dome stadium in Syracuse.
The Carrier Dome seats about 45,000 and is considered too small for the NFL.
Teams need to do a thorough weather study before figuring out what type of stadium to build. Cleveland should’ve built a dome the first time. Taxpayers shouldn’t pay a dime. Let owners pay
Go Browns!
So wait.. The Guardians and the Cavs got the public money, and they are getting their renovations, but the City of Cleveland doesn't want to do it to the football stadium. Where have I heard that before? I wonder what happened the last time this situation occurred.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it... I wonder if Baltimore would want a 2nd football team... nah this is totally different. Isn't it?
This is totally different...
St. Louis is looking for one.
The state of Ohio has a requirement for pro sports franchises to have their team up for sale in a six month period, if the team announced plans to move. That came to pass when the Columbus Crew of the MLS got an offer from Austin, TX to move there- with that league's support. Ironically, it was the Haslam's who came to the rescue, and with a stadium built in a corner of downtown Columbus, the Crew is where it belongs. Austin got an expansion team.
Yeah we should just give billionaires all the tax money they demand because that's capitalism at least that's what the news man told me😂😂
Oakland had two idiot owners in Raiders late owner Al Davis and his son Mark Davis and should get expansion! That city got screwed
Possible hosts of SuperBowl, NCAA College Playoff, Wrestlemania, Concerts, etc....
Alot of $$$$$ for the city.
Its a win-win if you ask me.
Or northeast Ohio
Then get Taylor Swift to pay for it.
Minnesota stadium was funded statewide, but Taylor Swift said nothing after they still closed schools in the northern half of Minnesota.
They also have wolf reintroduction in NW MN, but Taylor Swift conveniently did not say anything about either.
Do you think Taylor Swift cares about the new tax bill for stadiums in Kansas City or Cleveland?
@@rubbishrabble She was not mentioned anywhere in the video. Thanks a lot, big mouth!
@@fromthehaven94 The comment said concert, so I am not referring to Taylor Swift in boxed seats, and I am referring to the Taylor Swift stadium concert tour.
It is right in the title, and so all the concerts were NFL, and so none were NBA arenas.
Katy Perry does mostly NBA arenas for instance so it is only over a certain scale monetarily.
@@rubbishrabble Taylor Swift isn't the only artist in history who has headlined a stadium concert tour.
The Browns need to earn a domed stadium. They ain't showed nobody shit consistently yet.
That would be hilarious if they relocate lol maybe Oakland or San antonio
They legally can’t because of the court case that happened between Art Modell the NFL and the city of Cleveland. Yeah the NFL in the new owner could contest but it would take years of litigation to get a resolution. Look how long it took the Broncos franchise to figure out who owns the Broncos and if they legally could sell it.
Raiders should have stayed in Oakland.
They can't put dome on that dump it needs to be tore down and rebuild and that won't happen downtown because want to continue to play while the dome being built
finland loves browns
It's Cleveland. Think Rodney Dangerfield.
Should have done that the first time
New Stardium Steelers 2028
A canopy and new video boards at the current Steeler's stadium would be nice.
The whole dome thing is garbage. Football fans love the elements, its part of the game.
EVERY CITY TRYING TO GET DOME TO HAVE A FEMA CAMP WITH DOME, ASK NEW ORLEANS🔮☣
Seems like nfl moving into all stadiums 🏟 be dome?
The LGBTQ trying to put a dome on Cleveland stadium
How about moving the browns to sandusky ohio, home of cedar point.
Move the stadium….
Only 3 teams with a domed stadium have won the super bowl.
Clev should forgo a dome. They are not a city that is going to get into a SB rotation, they should do like Buffalo is doing. Its going to be SF, Las Vegas, LA, Dallas, NO and MI. Those are your five in the rotation that will be getting multiple bids, those are the cities the NFL likes to go to. SF is already getting its second in a few years. And they should pay for their own d*&* buildings. Browns owners are worth over 4 billion. They can take out a loan and pay for it themselves. They just want free money.
When the city owns it, they use it as a money maker. There are 9-10 games a year. It is a big deal. Remove the stadium and the city will suffer. Soon to follow is the Indians…oops Gardians
Over course they want a dime stadium. They want to control all events at the stadium and real estate around the stadium.they want more corporate welfare. Give us billionaires all this for free. All team are trying to get these deals😂😂😂😂😂😂
No you don't you're team owner does at the tax payers price.
I would love a dome. It would bring in so much more opportunity too our area. I hate going to watch games in negative degree weather and no players like playing in that bs. Also if Jimmy is paying for it all and he doesn’t leave northeast Ohio I don’t see an issue at all
Domes are horrible
@@hia5235 to you highly advise getting with the times
Is t that land in Richfield available where the Cavs used to play? Only Cleveland cares if it’s in the city, not this fan.
they can’t build on that land anymore, it’s now inside the national park
Just shut down this horrible, cursed franchisee already.
Any new facilities should be a domed🎉
stadium. Buffalo will regret not having one. And you will,too.
no they don't they just need to run the ball more
Browns doing a lot of talking for still losing lol
?? What are you talking about
Meanwhile, the Tampa Bay Rays are one of the best teams in baseball, they DO play in a dome, but nobody cares about them.
@@davidlafleche1142 Tampa is just over saturated for its size. NFL/NHL and the MLB? Bit much for a city barely over 3 mill.
Need to get off that old municipal lot. Its been a bad omen. Brookpark Browns sounds good. Easy access in and out north south east west. Need a state of the art dome. Lease is up after the 2028 season . So need to start breaking land soon this is 2024. So we would be at Cleveland Browns stadium 2024 to 2028 season. This new one will take at the least 3 yrs to build after the land bought is leveled. Its time. There is no homefield advantage in the playoffs in these AFC stadiums anymore. And certainly not in cleveland the last 40 some yrs. Red right 80. Denver 87. Besides most of the teams that make the playoffs in the AFC are cold weather teams . KC Buffalo Cincinnati Pittsburg Baltimore New England. Count the Jets also with Mr Rogers. And our most hated team the Broncos. 🟧🟫⬜️🟫🟧