Ferry Flight: Damaged Airplane after Bird Strike - DECLINED Take Off clearance
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Part 1:
"$17,000 Bird Strike + ZERO Hesitation Rejected Take Off - Is your briefing this SOLID?"
• $17,000 Bird Strike + ...
HUGE thanks to Ryan for being awesome sharing such a great debrief of this #BirdStrike !
Here is some additional context from Ryan:
It is very easy to second guess a pilot’s decisions from the comfort of an armchair. In aviation we have split seconds to make critical decisions. No pilot intentionally puts themselves in harms way. The best we can hope for is that the combination of the information that we have at the moment, the experience that we have from the past and the time allotted to act is sufficient to ensure the safest possible outcome. Risk is part of everything we do. The best we can do is to mitigate it to the greatest extent possible. As an airline transport pilot with thousands of hours of experience in everything from single engine piston aircraft to large jets, I do not take flying a damaged aircraft lightly and went through all the necessary steps to mitigate risk which included having it inspected by an engineer, obtaining a ferry permit and going over every possible scenario prior to the ferry flight. Conducting this ferry flight was done legally however the final decision to do so is that of the pilot in command based on their comfort level with the aircraft and their confidence that their cumulative experience will allow them to handle any unforeseen events. If in doubt, keep the aircraft on the ground and consult someone that has more experience or is more knowledgeable in the type of operation that is to be conducted. Remember, anytime you fly and aircraft that has any damage that may void its certificate of airworthiness, you are essentially a test pilot and should not take that lightly.
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Ryan’s Personal Debrief
Some comments have come up on a few items so I’ll address them here. First of all thank you to everyone for your awesome comments and observations, this is what makes Steve’s channel so valuable.
1. De-Icing: De-Icing the plane for this flight was a 2 hour process, all for a 9 minute flight. First I scraped the majority of the frost off with a card then used a brush to get the rest off. The airplane was then taxiied and positioned into the sun to let the big fireball do the rest in above freezing temperatures while I went and had a coffee in the airport cafe. When we took off the airplane was 100% contamination free on all surfaces.
2. Obscured Window: Yes the right hand side window had dew on it and if I were to do it again I’d spend more time wiping it down to have a better view. That said I could see through it far better than the camera angle shows.
3. Landing on the Displaced Threshold (Applicable to Canada): I put in a call to Transport Canada today to verify my interpretation and here it goes. The reference about landing in the displacement is in the TC-AIM. Nothing in the AIM is enforceable unless there is an associated regulation in the CARS. Most AIM items do have an associated regulation. In this case, there is no regulation. The AIM is a big book of best practices. So under normal circumstances landing in the displacement is not a best practice however it is permitted at the pilot's discretion if deemed safe and operationally beneficial.
4. Video Documenting the repairs: This is happening for those that are interested.
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Conclusion: I hope this answers the bulk of critiques, of you want to see my take on risk management check out the paragraph that I wrote for Steve in the Video description. Give away closes December 10.
Thanks Steve and keep you Flight Chops Sharp.
As a film maker and a pilot, this channel has been my passion and also a very big responsibility as the reach has grown.
I am honoured to be able to work with many pilots and aviators that are willing to "put themselves out there" in my videos.
While editing, I work very hard to add as much context as I can, and when we fail to clarify something or simply miss a detail, it is awesome when constructive discussion arrises in the comments to share insights and different perspectives.
When I feature an other pilot as PIC in a video, such as is the case in this one, I take it very personally if that pilot is subjected to any attacks.
With that in mind, constructive comments are invited, and for the most part this thread has been extremely positive; however, the small minority that are being aggressive, and accusatory are not adding anything positive to the conversation.
Please imagine yourself standing there in person looking Ryan (or me) in the eye when you draft a comment; Is it something you'd be able to say if you were physically engaging in a human conversation? If not... maybe rethink the wording or tone.
Best regards,
Steve
Love the comment on final about the landing being accurate, not pretty. Reminders like that are surprisingly helpful.
Don't know exactly where the #coaching tag is supposed to go, but I'm in.
#coaching hey Ryan ;)
I'm down for #coaching! Great video!
I like Ryan's style and piloting mindset.
His day job is an air traffic controller.
*Love your pre-flight briefing*
_... going to fly back to the runway or to the scene of the accident ..._
*Doesn't get any more honest or classic than that.*
I appreciate the professional way you approach flying. Its easy to become complacent and sloppy over time. I always try to plan out where I will go when im taking off or cruising if something goes wrong. 24 years in heliocpters. One lost tail rotor, two engine failures, ground resonance x 3, and a few emergency lights in flight. I am still learning.
Great lessons learned. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. I was a passenger in the bird strike flight, and Ryan handled that aborted flight so well I didn’t even know what happened until he backtracked ...! That’s a pro pilot who instilled such comfort and confidence.
Thanks for letting us tag along and see decision-making I hope I never have to make myself. I diverted once. My plane's alternator packed up earlier this year. But I've never hit any birds...
Nice to see my old stomping grounds (Langley). Landed many times on 25 - it always feels like you're dragging it in over the trees, even when you're flying a nice stable approach. Langley Aero Structures used to look after my plane. Hi Anthony!
As a newly minted private pilot, I found this video a really good demonstration of real world ADM. I especially appreciate the thorough briefings and will be changing my own to be more thorough and match your categories. I especially liked identifying what distance on landing you'd abort at.
Stuff like this inspires me to get a private pilot license one of these days. General aviation is amazing. Loved both the videos!
Awesome Thanks! And get after it!
@@FlightChops Problem is: in Germany it is really expensive, like... 10k€ or something.
Not many people have that much money laying around ;)
This channel has for sure made me want to get a PPL, but I have a disability and would never clear medical with the meds I'm on. 😕
these are good videos. very beginner student less than 10 hrs. The briefings anecdote make a lot more sense now. Very professional approach to a crazy video.
Sie können auch in Betracht ziehen UL fliegen zu lernen, viel billiger aber genauso echt!
This one was good for me because now that I'm flying a bit more frequently, one thing I haven't worked on is my preflight briefing. I need to get that procedure down and memorized, and that's been nagging at me for some time now. This lit a fire under me, and I'm going to work on it today. I will strive to emulate Ryan's level of professionalism.
This was one of my takeaways too. I'm going to start doing t/o and approach briefings in this style. I love the idea of calling out exactly what the predetermined factors and decisions are going to be beforehand.
Also, the visual indicator (checklist stuck in the throttles) when he changed something from the T/O config. I've made that omission in a similar circumstance and luckily caught it on the takeoff roll, so I'm going to work out something compatible for my aircraft (e.g. hang something on the throttle knob). Lots to learn here from Ryan's excellent example.
@@phreakmonkey being a very forgetful person myself, the best way to avoid forgetting is to make it physically impossible for you to forget. For example, if you need to remember to take a pie or something somewhere when you leave, put your car keys in the fridge, right next to the thing you need to remember. Has saved me several times.
Great video. I like how Ryan used the checklist to "flag" himself on the throttle levers that something was interrupted or incomplete on checklist completion.
I keep coming back to the point where you actually declined the takeoff clearance, Ryan. I know the PIC of an aircraft has the final say with respect to not doing something that jeopardizes the safety of his or her aircraft, and can decline any instruction given by ATC if they feel it's required, but to actually see it in action is so cool to me.
Very nice, Ryan. Perfect ferry flight. Although I'm not an active pilot, if I ever do start flying again, this is certainly a lesson for me, as well as every pilot to learn from. Brief your flight and be prepared to follow your briefing.
Steve, thanks for asking Ryan to share this with your viewers. Pretty top notch stuff.
Very impressed with Ryan’s professionalism. He did a lot of things that I definitely want to include in my own flying.
Just used Ryan's pre-takeoff brief to beef up both my pre-flight and pre-takeoff briefings. Thank you both!
I'm not a pilot..yet, I love seeing videos like this because it shows what can happen and the procedures you should follow to avoid getting into more strife. I learned a lot with these past couple of videos, Thank You both for sharing them.
Great job taking us along for the ride. Nice work, Ryan!
I'm glad you're okay and you didn't get hurt during the bird strike. Sounds like you have a wonderful community up there in Canada.
Ryan is a very professional pilot. He gave me some ideas to utilize on my next flight. It was a pleasure watching him.
Awesome content! All GA pilots should take note of this level of preparation and briefing.
A bit off topic but I'm stunned by the quality of his voice in the video with the engines at full throttle. Great job Bose.
That is so awesome that people come together like that. That is an awesome gesture. I like hearing stories like this because I’m the media today, all you hear is the negative garbage of the world. We need to promote more stories like this
Negative stories are profitable for everyone involved (media companies, politicians, unelected officials, shareholders in other companies, etc.), positive stories aren't. Positive stories don't divide people and make them angry enough to forego rational thought in favor of tribalism.
I just bought my first airplane Cessna 150k! I'm so excited!!! Now to get the biannual done! -Love your content Mr. Chops!
Congrats on the plane!
I solo'd in a 150 !!!
(can't remember the model, but she was OLD and LOVELY :)
Lucky guy. I'd love to own an airplane, but a wife and kids seem to suck all the money away, but I'm not complaining. 🙃
@@sc0tte1-416 After my kids flew from the nest I saved every penny for 2 years! I got a great Deal locally from a A&P I/A. You can do it also! Try to stay local to cut down cost when searching, or somewhat close by. I spent one year studying buying books...and watching videos on cessna's especially the 150. If I can do it Anyone can! I did get my Medical done first so I'd felt like I had a green light ;D
Live your Dream! Don't let ANYONE hold you back!
Just like driving a car with a slightly wrinkled fender.......love your throughness with checklists and briefings.....fly with you anywhere sir. Great video.
Thanks Ryan & FlightChops for this outstanding video. Cheers from the Okanagan.
Thanks for sharing difficult situation - great learning tool. Reminder of importance for disciplined checklist & briefing procedures.
Ryan I already feel for you on the yet to be takeoff on a 2500' runway. Operated a Navajo off a 2800' home base airport for over a year. My plane even has the double caliper brakes that you don't. I know you will do fine, but unlike some other viewers I see that as the biggest hurdle since before even reaching takeoff speed you are essentially without any options. Thanks for sharing.
You nailed it. Langley is tight.I won't go out of there fully loaded.
I absolutely love his demeanor and hearing his thought processes. Thank you so much for this gem
Love the checklist in the throttles trick, I'mma steal that.
Very nicely done, very professional. Im a low time pilot and have learnt a lot from this. Appreciate it.
I'm not a pilot, but enjoy any flying videos. As a lot of people say, Ryan exemplified professionalism on both the initial incident, and also this ferry flight. I have but one complaint as a Canadian - I saw a coffee, but it wasn't a Tims ;-)
Richard Lee truth, but I gotta support the local airport coffee shop when I can.
Ryan VH - supporting local business trumps Tim’s every time 👍
Tims is crap coffee anyway.
So he didn’t want to get a second bird strike but...
If he “seagulled” the other wing I imagine the flight characteristics would improve due to the symmetry of the damage...
(Sarcasm implied)
Assuming the damage was symmetrical, yes. But given the randomness of birdstrikes, do you really want to roll those dice?
@@xheralt eh, kinda
@@noahhastings6145 Remind me to never fly with you.
@@xheralt C'mon, who doesn't love a good thrill every once in a while??!
@@noahhastings6145 lol, you can have my share.
Excellent professionalism !!!! I love the placing the checklist on the throttle, great tip!
He embodies professionalism. Great episode and great role model as a pilot!
Awesome video, love the habbit of keeping the hand on the gear leaver until you see all green! Also it would be awesome to see parts of the rebuild!!
I always enjoy watching a pilot that has his shtuff together.
Man these Canadian call signs with only letters is a mouth full, I know I'd be jumbling things up on every call LOL! Great professionalism and attitude, if only every pilot could be this way. Whether you fly or not, I think there is something very valuable in observing other people such as this. Fantastic job bud!!
Actually, you'd be surprised, saying a four-letter call sign is much easier the saying call sign in the states in my opinion. For example, golf Sierra Mike Mike, instead of November niner four two Tango Alpha.
Canadian Air Traffic Controllers hate American civil callsigns. Mixing letters and numbers is a pain in the ass for us. Versus American Air Traffic Controllers who hate Canadian civil callsigns which are all letters which they call alphabet soup.
Same in UK
FANTASTIC tip with the checklist for the fuel pumps! Will definitely be utilizing tips like that.
Thanks Ryan for sharing, appreciate it!
Hey Steve and Ryan! My first ever comment ☺. Firstly, thank you so much Ryan for these 2 vids. #coaching I love the home truth about not just doing a briefing but actually sticking to the rules you make BECAUSE THEY ARE CRUCIAL. There were lots of other take aways for me - checklists, reminders to complete them, declining take off, and much more. STEVE, may I explain how I found FlightChops? See my avatar? Yup, a Harvard with me in it 😆. Sooo, I took an experience flight in a T6 Harvard earlier this year and when I got home I checked for vids and found you! You are such an inspiration. I love your vids and the learning experience in each one. It takes a big man to reveal mistakes, fear, even to express simple caution, but also to share ambition and success in equal measure, all with the intention of helping others understand the love of aviation. Of course, the minute my instructor said 'You have control' and I got to steer (!) I was hooked. Whether I'll ever get my PPL I don't know but I am doing the book learning now, and I shall take my first lessons in Spring. You have a lot to answer for!
Thanks so much for sharing Ryan. I enjoyed watching your processes.
Thanks for sharing the experience Ryan. Took away some good points from this video then I want to incorporate in my own flying.
Thanks for this 2 part series. It was a great learning tool,great ideas. Well done.
9:07 I died laughing at your response to ATC. My thoughts exactly! lol
Outstanding Channel! Thank you so much for sharing the beauty of flight with us!
I'm speechless by BCGA too. That's amazing. Really happy for you. Always look out for your fellow pilots.
Well done! Such an unfortunate and costly series of events. Thankfully handled in a wonderful and professional manor. Hope he's able to afford the repairs and continues his work.
That short field landing was boss. I swear he must'ah caught the 3 wire.
What an excellent and educational video. Thank you guys so much!
Thank you! most of my personal flying is STOL off-airport flying so wasting any space landing is not in my DNA.
super interesting video's! Makes you think about safety and briefings some more. Thx for sharing this content, it really add value to the flying communitiy! Keep up the good work.
'keep flying until we either reach the runway or the scene of the accident.' I like his sense of humor (sorry, humour for my friends up north and across the pond! And down under)
Checklist in the throttle is brilliant. Thanks!
Great learning video. By the time I get a take off clearance I am so psyched to go flying that I probably won't consider declining.
#truth
Any chance we could get a follow up video with footage of the repairs being done? I’d love to see how these guys fix damage like this. I don’t know if you could get a camera in there or not but it’d be pretty cool!
Quite educative for everyone since aviators learn a lot from others' experiences. Well documented...thank you.
Incredible story about his deductible, which I asked about in the previous video. Sometimes people are wonderful.
Was thinking about the Bird Strike video this morning when I went up for a hop in our Piper Cherokee out of Boundary Bay. And yes - more gulls just as I passed through 200 feet on climb out. One of these days....?
I was taught that displaced thresholds are advisory, not legally binding, and it's up to the pilot in command to decide exactly what to do. Is this not the case in other countries?
Landing on 07 at Langley involves a 650 foot displaced threshold due to trees just west of the airport. You either fly a 3 degree approach to the remaining runway past the numbers, or you fly an obstacle-clearance approach past the trees and use the whole runway. If you do the latter you also stay higher longer over a built-up part of Langley. This is A Good Thing. #coaching
Hey Laura - I'll make sure Ryan knows you're in the running, but maybe also throw a comment with the hashtag under his pinned comment up top, so they are all in the same thread as that seems to be what others are doing
Excellent video. Thanks for posting both this one and it’s prequel. Excellent lessons in both.
I really liked this one. The "talking aloud" method he used for this flight was very instructive for those of us who don't have much actual flight experience.
Thank you Ryan and thank you Steve. Love your sense of humour, Ryan. A bonus to a great piece of educational content.
I appreciate the effort made by both of you to share and educate us. I'm a student pilot and took away a lot of excellent training points from this video, bird strike or not. The level of professionalism and discipline Ryan shows as a PIC is something I want to emulate.
Thanks so much for not only putting the video out there but engaging with the community to clear up questions and help us learn. Steve you run a fantastic channel man. Keep it up!
Thanks Brian - we're glad to share!
I personally took alot from both vids. Thanks alot for putting it together.
Thank you for the checklist tip. I am definitely going to play with that one.
"And we're not going to stop flying until we reach the airport or the scene of the accident"
brrrrrrrr :)
Should of just had it fixed there
@@travelinthru9519 wow, so glad you know the AME and structural repair shop at THAT airport personally and KNOW that this was a viable option. Also, shocking that somebody who was THIS thorough in his preparations, experience, and risk management COMPLETELY overlooked such an obvious solution. (sarcasm, look it up)
@@MrZrryan2 hahaha loved that entire comment 😂🤣
Hi All - I keep thinking about the phrase "we're not going to stop flying until we reach the airport or the scene of the accident". I understand the spirit of it - I teach at a university, and from now on I'm going to include it in my syllabuses. So many students do bad on one test and then give up.... I hope they will embrace the spirit of this flight briefing!
@@aaronsakulich4889 "W" on your transcript is a bad look anyway, imo. Take the "F" or don't take the class in the first place is how I see it, unless you're at the point of sacrificing basic needs like sleep.
Great pilot, great judgement throughout. Thanks for sharing.
That’s awesome that the community was there for you. That deductible can be killer for those who may not have the money, and it may prevent people from ever flying again. That’s a good feeling knowing that people you may not even know have your back. Hope the wing is an easy fix. :)
Better be able to afford the deductible if they are flying.
Amazing to see disciplined and safety conscious pilots. Thanks for the good example and safe flights 👍👍👍
Hats off to BCA so nice to hear people taking care of people. I'm inspired
He has Lufthansa levels of checklist and procedure verbalization. So good.
Danke dir!
I 100% agree, the take off briefing was up to commercial standards.
Ryan's attention to detail is what stood out for me. Seems an exceptionally safe pilot who knows what he's doing.
A very professional flight, well done and thanks for sharing it. I retired as a 747 Captain about ten years ago and it's a pleasure to fly with crew like that.
FWIW back in 1989 when we had the pilots dispute here in Australia, I was flying piston twins over quite a lot of the country. On one flight, from the Gold Coast to Melbourne in a Baron B58, I had my head down doing paperwork at 10,000' when I caught something moving *very* fast out of the corner of my left eye. In the same instant there was a very loud BANG right next to me, and as I looked out I could see a large dent in the leading edge of the wing between the fuselage and the engine cowling. I looked back at the tail and could see some blood marks & a feather stuck in the horizontal stabiliser. If the bird (an eagle, I think) had been just a fraction more to my right and up a bit, it would have gone straight through the windscreen and hit me in the face.
Thanks Bill!
I may or may not like your channel a lot. Hints my logo. You inspire me to learn to fly👍🏻👍🏻
goes to show the rest of us that not being a professional pilot can't stop us from doing all we can do to fly like one...well done
He would make a great CFI, I definitely learnt a lot.
Thanks Jon! I do quite a bit of coaching with a focus on advanced operations and systems management. www.cardinalaviation.ca
This video will forever change how I go about my briefings
This was so interesting. a hit like that made me wonder how it would fly. Great vid!
well done!!! trained outta langley. What a great short field landing
Preflight:
Prop - no nicks, no cracks
Shocks and struts - no hydrolic fluid leaks
Wing leading edges - a huge gouge on the right wing
Good to go :-P
Jokes aside - interesting vid! Thanks for sharing!
This guy is a true pro. Great to watch.
Ahhhhhh. Answers to my question on your last video.
Awesome video. Love to hear how he handles this flight. Out of the normal flight for sure!
As usual, I learned something.
Can we get more of him? He’s good!
Excellent! I was hoping for a follow up, especially after cancelling takeoff!
looks like fowl play to me
Yeah, this video is for the birds!
Really its all about killing 2 birds with one ho!
A real feather in his cap, if you ask me.
@R Mack Nope they were B1-RDs, position angle 1, inbound -grin
What the cluck?!?!
What a great community! Thanks for sharing the experience. 👍🛫🛬✈️✅
Looking forward to the follow up of the repair. A lot to learn and add to the preflight, and inflight briefings on these.
They will be documenting the repair for a future video on either @flightchops or my channel TBD
Great briefing and follow-through...fine pilot!
Thanks for sharing, Steve & Ryan - excellent video! I was wondering what became of the postponed takeoff at the end of Part I there. 👍🍻
Prepped a Navajo for a ferry flight with the same damage years back. Except it was a pole on taxi not a bird. Cut the middle of the dent out and hammered it flat. Pop riveted a scab patch on. Then 1 1/2 flight home. Total repair for ferry flight 45 minutes.
So cool to see a video from airports I fly on!
Good to see the guys in the hangar getting a shout 👍🏻
They deserve it! Langley Aero Structures has an awesome crew and stand behind their work. They do everything from engine work to metal and fabric.
Great video, excellent content, as always! =)
Stay safe up there!
Great video! Nice job, Ryan!
Good job Piper! 🤙
Nice view as always
Great video, look forward to every episode.
Thx!!!
Love the birds eye view!
The epitome of a professional pilot. He’d make one hell of an instructor.
Did my first solo today I'm hyped!! I'm a real pilot now sorta
lol
Presley Costa congrats!!!
Conga-rats!!!
AWESOME !! Congratulations !! Now keep after it.
License to learn - burn some fuel and earn that ticket!
Land back at the airfield or the scene of the accident.... Funny at first but very poignant comment from a very experienced pilot. Awesome narative and love the way he adopts 100% of CRM in a single pilot operation. Well done mate
Not so much humor as is part of preflight.
Awesome video. I would have used speed tape to block the opening as the drag associated with the hole in the wing and large amount of air going in the wing would have made me uncomfortable. Obviously it all worked out. Just a piece of mind thing for me.