This is where I’m at. I can’t stand it. Rivals has been pretty fun and I’d rather adapt to this more casual team based shooter than even consider overwatch 2.
I don't think people want overwatch to fail for the sake of it failing, i believe people want it to fail a little so the developers realize they need to change some things, people want overwatch to be better and the competition from rivals might actually force the developers to do that
@@Lucar56lucar see and that's what I genuinely don't understand, while yes blizzard and overwatch have fallen short at times I don't get what people want changed so bad. Overwatch is not in a terrible place and hasn't been for a really long time
@@jiglleyit’s a game that has had no major changes in a long time, promised everything and gave us nothing, and fired devs and scrapped finished work for the sake of competitive gameplay? It’s almost 10 years old now with no story content to play through. Please quit proving to blizzard they can do whatever they want, and still succeed 🙏.
@jiglley to be fair, I gave up on it a bit after the transition to overwatch 2, I prefered older overwatch and every change they made brought it further from what got me invested, I don't really know how it's changed since then so Im not the one to say anything about the quality of modern overwatch, I just miss how the game used to be when Anna or sombra were new
@@Lucar56lucar See it's the opposite for me, I couldn't stand old overwatch and nearly every change that came with ow2 was a welcome one for me and the reason I continued to play
@@jiglley you are genuinely brain dead if you think overwatch hasnt been in the worst state its been in a long time. Im willing to personally bet you money that overwatch will be put down like a sick dog in the following year of rivals reign as a superior game in literally every aspect
It's also a real life ethical dilemma too. Activision Blizzard is straight up guilty of real life crimes including the indirect involvement of a woman's suicide over a sexual harassment case, on top of many more. While there is no guarantee Netease is squeaky clean, we Overwatch fans have been through more than just empty promises, we also learned harsher truths about the people behind what we once loved. That cannot be taken back. Until Netease is also revealed to have skeletons in their closet, MR and it's developers/publishers have the moral high ground too. Hopefully, I don't end eating these words in the future....
Oh I agree that's a major and important part of the discussion, and I think it's completely valid that people choose not to support anything blizzard related for that reason. It's more so the vitriol hate directed at overwatch as a game, not blizzard as a company, that begins to bother me as it affects the devs/artists/good ppl still working on the game more than it does the corporation. Many of whom are new with OW2 and had absolutely nothing to do blizzards past bad decisions. And I'm actually working on a video about this, but netease already has skeletons. They're whole mo is milking the hell out of their games then dropping them, and real life crimes include bribery and money laundering. I don't consider those nearly as important as sexual assault, but I still def wouldn't say they have a moral high ground
@@jiglley Fair enough. I understand this video was mostly about the artistic integrity on what makes Overwatch unique as a product, I just couldn't help myself and bring up the bad blood Blizzard as whole has. There are innocents and good people, yes, for sure, it was just a big part of the discussion for a good while after OW2's release. I look forward to your companion video on this topic soon.
I completely get it but Overwatch will be forever wounded Marvel Rivals is the future of the hero shooter genre and it will only get better and better with time and whenever they decide to add more content meanwhile Overwatch will forever struggle to gain some relevance once more They got no reason to even have a 2 in their name And bringing back 6v6 and Hazard will not be enough to save them
If they make OW classic like WoW did then I’ll come back because these devs don’t and shouldn’t be balancing just revert everyone back to day one and just let most casual players have fun
paused video at 1:27 and won't continue watching it If you think that "balanced around competitive" is when in pro-scene you see same mirror team-comps for years then better play tf2
@@ordfl2525 so you'd rather them be playing counter watch in the pro scene? Mirror comps will appear in every character based game ever, as that's the only way to ensure you're not at a disadvantage
@@oscara8454 i can see that. i probably would watch more competitive ow if there was more variety in team comps but everyone plays the same like 7-10 characters.
The thing i like about rival is that the games are at most 10 minutes. I work for 90% of the day so i can play OW sadly because their games are too long for the time i have
Ow is worse lmao. I used to love this game but it drops the ball on everything they do and the fact they deleted the original just to update the monetization is such a scummy move and makes it impossible for me to actually enjoy it anymore because they don’t care about the game anymore. Look at the recent patch collabs, the recolors and the overall just horrible balancing and they take so long to actually listen to things players are complaining about. And the fact that overwatch just doesn’t have a story anymore just completely makes me not care about the game anymore because the overwatch lord is what makes me attached to its characters but the stale lore makes me care less.
one point that really is perfect is if both games compete then thats just better for us players, if the games are fighting each other the players win because both games respectively are trying to improve
this is a wonderful take and i find it refreshing that someone is not just screaming on hear about what’s wrong and what’s right because the truth is it’s all just an opinion and being able to stand on your opinion with having to scream oh this game bad bad game is great
And not gonna lie people gaslighting with this sentence "oh its more competitively balanced"? Overwatch is Counterwatch You see Dva you go Zarya You see Zarya you Rein Rein go Ram Hog vs Mauga Obviously with 6v6 some of the issues can be resolve but i got no more faith on a team that have done nothing this whole year. This latest patch notes are ridiculous also on how they buffed Hazard and didn't touch Widow at all. Yeatle went 50 k and 0 deaths on Hazard i dont need to even touch the game after that video he uploaded 😊
If you think counter watch is that strong then you really don't understand overwatch lol, and hazard is one of the worst tanks in the game still even after the buffs
@@jiglley Dude its not science or math i played the game daily and all characters have a natural counter there is no balanceee each patch they just do whatever at random at this point and interesting how the "worst tank in the game" is giving me free wins 🙂
@@xilef_0078 "balance" in no way implies characters don't counter each other. It is when you can play into your counters and still do well if your competent, which you very much can in ow. The counters are not rock paper scissors. If hazard is giving you free wins then you are certainly not playing in competent elo as he is not particularly strong in any way against any other tank
@@jiglley Oh so im the crazy one because i see them go Hog and i go Mauga and he just deletes him? Or lets say old Hog vs new Orisa how she literally didn't let him play the game for a while Or I see them go Dva and I go Zarya and again deleted Hell Wreckingball ups Sombra hacked Or how old Sombra was literally spawn camping players before her second rework They have no sense on how to balance the game Like dude u in denial right now this has been an issue ever since the very start of Overwatch "2" And you really brought up elo to try to invalidate my wins? No wonder why people leaving OW
@xilef_0078 not crazy, but a good team will still win on hog against a mauga. A good dva will do perfectly fine against a zarya. You say they have no sense on how to balance the game right after listing a character that they literally reworked to be balanced now. Yes there have been bad metas and broken characters, but you're so hung up on them you can't see the good changes they've made. And not to invalidate, a win is a win, but if you think hazard is that op then it's pretty clear you aren't playing against ppl who know how to play into a hazard. And if you don't know how to play against a character, then literally every champ in the game is broken
Overwatch devs (since Jeff Kaplan left) have actively done every single decision to make the game as unenjoyable as possible. Also you lost any sort of credibility about OW when you mentioned balancing when there is clear favoritism towards certain heroes. With some luck OW2 gets the same treatment Heroes of The Storm did because OW as a whole had YEARS to fix issues and we all know they simply didn’t or did too late. Despite my love for OW and the fond memories I simply think that it’s time for a new IP or for blizzard to make some drastic changes for the better or with some luck we will see more competition to come stomp them on the market.
@@K.Troxis yeah and I fundamentally disagree as I think every decision the devs (not blizzard) have made since then have been for the betterment of the game and are the only reason I still play
I agree with everything bro great vid👌 I just hope the OW players that are now playing MR not gonna ruin the game with instant crying about role queue and hard core balance changes day 2, I mean yeah it works for OW2 great but hell so much Magic would go lost in MR with rolequeue it just need time and more chars in those roles for more playstyle variations
@@ItzTotoMore yeah that's my point exactly, I hope the players don't pressure either game to mimic the other and they can both shine at what they're good at
Doesnt matter anymore. If this video was made earlier then maybe it would make a difference but it's too late now, as people already made up their minds of choosing one or the other
@@thegoldennoob108 ppl are supposed to choose which they like more, or both. The goal of this video wasn't to hinder nor aid that decision in any way, only to explain why they aren't 1:1 competition
@@jiglleyin a way they are but I understand what your saying. I think the reality is, is that this is truly the first game to fill the same genre as Overwatch. There have been Other Hero Shooters since Overwatch but they’ve all pretty much been genre mix ups with tactical shooters, battle royals, etc. Rivals is pretty much the first Hero Shooter since Overwatch to go back to that TF2 objective based gameplay.
not to be mean, but for 5 minutes you were wrong in most you said... but i agree marvel rivals is not a competitor... since theres nothing big enough to compete against it rn
@@jiglley no, because for me the problem isnt the game, the problem is that they reworked and absolutely killed the original identity of my 2 favourite characters.
you can have that opinion and personally i’d agree but i left when overwatch 2 came out so idk it just didn’t seem like the game i played but this guys describing how both games are good for each other and its all just an opinion
Give blizzard more money and play time on their game so that way they have no consequences for the actions? Yea no, you should absolutely hope for the downfall of that game.
Blizzard does not care what you think, this mindset only actually punishes the devs/artists/etc who work under Blizzard and are not responsible for Blizzard's actions.
@ why would they care what we think when we just keep playing their games? Good devs will get jobs at other companies or could even start their own. We are dumb af for continuing to give them money and interest. The worst part about rivals is that it’s made over watch play go up. QUIT REWARDING THEM
@sorasteven4978 why would they not care? They clearly care about the game and what they're creating, in no world does seeing ppl bash it for reasons you can't control not get old. And in the current job market it doesn't matter how good you are at what you do, there is no guarantee of landing another job. And where exactly is the money to start their own studio supposed to come from/how many devs have actually been successful in doing that? Take a step outside your weird little hater bubble and recognize the very real people affected by it
@ commented disliked and come off within 2 seconds fam u ain’t gettin no watch time from me , keep coping rather than changing ur videos im sure that’ll find u great success
I uninstalled Overwatch to make space for Marvel rivals.
I uninstalled OW for the first time since 2016. I stopped playing it before 2 came out, but this game made me uninstall it
So basically, if you prefer overwatch over overwatch 2, then play rivals
Overwatch 2 literally lied to his audience about why his existence is needed, so the game is doomed from the start for not giving what it was promised
This is where I’m at. I can’t stand it.
Rivals has been pretty fun and I’d rather adapt to this more casual team based shooter than even consider overwatch 2.
Get over it. Everyone that was part of that decision is not even working at Blizzard anymore.
@@soucaco that's what I'm saying, current overwatch is still paying the price for decisions not even related to it anymore
Let me put on the list of bad decisions that blizzard made from overwatch 1 up to now.@@soucaco
@@soucaco This is such a cope answer. You're a shmuck.
seen both gameplay.. i think 1 of their major differences is one being 1st person view and one being 3rd person.
That is also a major difference I forgot to mention you're right
I don't think people want overwatch to fail for the sake of it failing, i believe people want it to fail a little so the developers realize they need to change some things, people want overwatch to be better and the competition from rivals might actually force the developers to do that
@@Lucar56lucar see and that's what I genuinely don't understand, while yes blizzard and overwatch have fallen short at times I don't get what people want changed so bad. Overwatch is not in a terrible place and hasn't been for a really long time
@@jiglleyit’s a game that has had no major changes in a long time, promised everything and gave us nothing, and fired devs and scrapped finished work for the sake of competitive gameplay? It’s almost 10 years old now with no story content to play through. Please quit proving to blizzard they can do whatever they want, and still succeed 🙏.
@jiglley to be fair, I gave up on it a bit after the transition to overwatch 2, I prefered older overwatch and every change they made brought it further from what got me invested, I don't really know how it's changed since then so Im not the one to say anything about the quality of modern overwatch, I just miss how the game used to be when Anna or sombra were new
@@Lucar56lucar See it's the opposite for me, I couldn't stand old overwatch and nearly every change that came with ow2 was a welcome one for me and the reason I continued to play
@@jiglley you are genuinely brain dead if you think overwatch hasnt been in the worst state its been in a long time. Im willing to personally bet you money that overwatch will be put down like a sick dog in the following year of rivals reign as a superior game in literally every aspect
It's also a real life ethical dilemma too. Activision Blizzard is straight up guilty of real life crimes including the indirect involvement of a woman's suicide over a sexual harassment case, on top of many more. While there is no guarantee Netease is squeaky clean, we Overwatch fans have been through more than just empty promises, we also learned harsher truths about the people behind what we once loved. That cannot be taken back. Until Netease is also revealed to have skeletons in their closet, MR and it's developers/publishers have the moral high ground too.
Hopefully, I don't end eating these words in the future....
Oh I agree that's a major and important part of the discussion, and I think it's completely valid that people choose not to support anything blizzard related for that reason. It's more so the vitriol hate directed at overwatch as a game, not blizzard as a company, that begins to bother me as it affects the devs/artists/good ppl still working on the game more than it does the corporation. Many of whom are new with OW2 and had absolutely nothing to do blizzards past bad decisions. And I'm actually working on a video about this, but netease already has skeletons. They're whole mo is milking the hell out of their games then dropping them, and real life crimes include bribery and money laundering. I don't consider those nearly as important as sexual assault, but I still def wouldn't say they have a moral high ground
@@jiglley Fair enough. I understand this video was mostly about the artistic integrity on what makes Overwatch unique as a product, I just couldn't help myself and bring up the bad blood Blizzard as whole has. There are innocents and good people, yes, for sure, it was just a big part of the discussion for a good while after OW2's release. I look forward to your companion video on this topic soon.
@javierpupo8042 I feel that, it's pretty much impossible not to bring up because it's such a glaring issue. Can't exactly just look past it
Finally a good video. So tired of seeing MR will kill OW2 or OW is dead.
I completely get it but Overwatch will be forever wounded
Marvel Rivals is the future of the hero shooter genre and it will only get better and better with time and whenever they decide to add more content meanwhile Overwatch will forever struggle to gain some relevance once more
They got no reason to even have a 2 in their name
And bringing back 6v6 and Hazard will not be enough to save them
If they make OW classic like WoW did then I’ll come back because these devs don’t and shouldn’t be balancing just revert everyone back to day one and just let most casual players have fun
paused video at 1:27 and won't continue watching it
If you think that "balanced around competitive" is when in pro-scene you see same mirror team-comps for years then better play tf2
ive been rereading this for the past 5 minutes and i dont understand. what do you mean?
yes because the pro scene and ranked are the same thing right?
@@ordfl2525 so you'd rather them be playing counter watch in the pro scene? Mirror comps will appear in every character based game ever, as that's the only way to ensure you're not at a disadvantage
@@jiglleythat sounds boring af. Probably a flaw in the esport potential of the genre.
@@oscara8454 i can see that. i probably would watch more competitive ow if there was more variety in team comps but everyone plays the same like 7-10 characters.
The thing i like about rival is that the games are at most 10 minutes. I work for 90% of the day so i can play OW sadly because their games are too long for the time i have
And if you have the time and want to have longer matches comp exists
Ow is worse lmao. I used to love this game but it drops the ball on everything they do and the fact they deleted the original just to update the monetization is such a scummy move and makes it impossible for me to actually enjoy it anymore because they don’t care about the game anymore. Look at the recent patch collabs, the recolors and the overall just horrible balancing and they take so long to actually listen to things players are complaining about. And the fact that overwatch just doesn’t have a story anymore just completely makes me not care about the game anymore because the overwatch lord is what makes me attached to its characters but the stale lore makes me care less.
one point that really is perfect is if both games compete then thats just better for us players, if the games are fighting each other the players win because both games respectively are trying to improve
Over watch is dead
this is a wonderful take and i find it refreshing that someone is not just screaming on hear about what’s wrong and what’s right because the truth is it’s all just an opinion and being able to stand on your opinion with having to scream oh this game bad bad game is great
And not gonna lie people gaslighting with this sentence "oh its more competitively balanced"?
Overwatch is Counterwatch
You see Dva you go Zarya
You see Zarya you Rein
Rein go Ram
Hog vs Mauga
Obviously with 6v6 some of the issues can be resolve but i got no more faith on a team that have done nothing this whole year.
This latest patch notes are ridiculous also on how they buffed Hazard and didn't touch Widow at all.
Yeatle went 50 k and 0 deaths on Hazard i dont need to even touch the game after that video he uploaded 😊
If you think counter watch is that strong then you really don't understand overwatch lol, and hazard is one of the worst tanks in the game still even after the buffs
@@jiglley Dude its not science or math i played the game daily and all characters have a natural counter there is no balanceee each patch they just do whatever at random at this point
and interesting how the "worst tank in the game" is giving me free wins 🙂
@@xilef_0078 "balance" in no way implies characters don't counter each other. It is when you can play into your counters and still do well if your competent, which you very much can in ow. The counters are not rock paper scissors.
If hazard is giving you free wins then you are certainly not playing in competent elo as he is not particularly strong in any way against any other tank
@@jiglley Oh so im the crazy one because i see them go Hog and i go Mauga and he just deletes him?
Or lets say old Hog vs new Orisa how she literally didn't let him play the game for a while
Or I see them go Dva and I go Zarya and again deleted
Hell Wreckingball ups Sombra hacked
Or how old Sombra was literally spawn camping players before her second rework
They have no sense on how to balance the game
Like dude u in denial right now this has been an issue ever since the very start of Overwatch "2"
And you really brought up elo to try to invalidate my wins? No wonder why people leaving OW
@xilef_0078 not crazy, but a good team will still win on hog against a mauga. A good dva will do perfectly fine against a zarya. You say they have no sense on how to balance the game right after listing a character that they literally reworked to be balanced now. Yes there have been bad metas and broken characters, but you're so hung up on them you can't see the good changes they've made.
And not to invalidate, a win is a win, but if you think hazard is that op then it's pretty clear you aren't playing against ppl who know how to play into a hazard. And if you don't know how to play against a character, then literally every champ in the game is broken
Overwatch devs (since Jeff Kaplan left) have actively done every single decision to make the game as unenjoyable as possible. Also you lost any sort of credibility about OW when you mentioned balancing when there is clear favoritism towards certain heroes. With some luck OW2 gets the same treatment Heroes of The Storm did because OW as a whole had YEARS to fix issues and we all know they simply didn’t or did too late. Despite my love for OW and the fond memories I simply think that it’s time for a new IP or for blizzard to make some drastic changes for the better or with some luck we will see more competition to come stomp them on the market.
@@K.Troxis yeah and I fundamentally disagree as I think every decision the devs (not blizzard) have made since then have been for the betterment of the game and are the only reason I still play
I agree with everything bro great vid👌 I just hope the OW players that are now playing MR not gonna ruin the game with instant crying about role queue and hard core balance changes day 2, I mean yeah it works for OW2 great but hell so much Magic would go lost in MR with rolequeue it just need time and more chars in those roles for more playstyle variations
@@ItzTotoMore yeah that's my point exactly, I hope the players don't pressure either game to mimic the other and they can both shine at what they're good at
Doesnt matter anymore. If this video was made earlier then maybe it would make a difference but it's too late now, as people already made up their minds of choosing one or the other
@@thegoldennoob108 ppl are supposed to choose which they like more, or both. The goal of this video wasn't to hinder nor aid that decision in any way, only to explain why they aren't 1:1 competition
@@jiglleyin a way they are but I understand what your saying. I think the reality is, is that this is truly the first game to fill the same genre as Overwatch. There have been Other Hero Shooters since Overwatch but they’ve all pretty much been genre mix ups with tactical shooters, battle royals, etc. Rivals is pretty much the first Hero Shooter since Overwatch to go back to that TF2 objective based gameplay.
Bro enjoyed playing ow2. opinion invalid.
not to be mean, but for 5 minutes you were wrong in most you said... but i agree marvel rivals is not a competitor... since theres nothing big enough to compete against it rn
@@Savapine for not trying to be mean you succeeded pretty well
disagree, unless overwatch goes back to 1 im playing rivals
You are proving my point exactly, rivals is for ow1 players, not ow2 players
@@jiglley no, because for me the problem isnt the game, the problem is that they reworked and absolutely killed the original identity of my 2 favourite characters.
good vid but you could use the thumbnail to explain what the vid is talking about a bit more
@@TooruJJ jeff
you wanna know why ? because overwatch is already dead
you can have that opinion and personally i’d agree but i left when overwatch 2 came out so idk it just didn’t seem like the game i played but this guys describing how both games are good for each other and its all just an opinion
@@hoodieguy226 true its just overwatch 1 with a 2 at the end they promised a lot but it didnt end well
Give blizzard more money and play time on their game so that way they have no consequences for the actions? Yea no, you should absolutely hope for the downfall of that game.
Blizzard does not care what you think, this mindset only actually punishes the devs/artists/etc who work under Blizzard and are not responsible for Blizzard's actions.
@ why would they care what we think when we just keep playing their games? Good devs will get jobs at other companies or could even start their own. We are dumb af for continuing to give them money and interest. The worst part about rivals is that it’s made over watch play go up. QUIT REWARDING THEM
@sorasteven4978 why would they not care? They clearly care about the game and what they're creating, in no world does seeing ppl bash it for reasons you can't control not get old. And in the current job market it doesn't matter how good you are at what you do, there is no guarantee of landing another job. And where exactly is the money to start their own studio supposed to come from/how many devs have actually been successful in doing that? Take a step outside your weird little hater bubble and recognize the very real people affected by it
Literally the same video over and over from these people. Try being original
@@tsm_slappie5924 try not being a dickwad. If it helps, I haven't seen another video talking about this so
Cope. OW will be dead in less than a year from now.
cope
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Shutuppppp dawg this video is trashhhh
@@lou1968 and yet you watched it 😘
@ commented disliked and come off within 2 seconds fam u ain’t gettin no watch time from me , keep coping rather than changing ur videos im sure that’ll find u great success
@@lou1968 lol so angy for what
commenting is not helping your case
@@infiltrate6807 *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke*
how dare you be so right
@@dizmal sorry it won't happen again
cope