They did the “entire roster applauds” thing for Ric Flair as well in 2008. Flair was a lot older then than Cena is now, but still. Even Undertaker went out and applauded. Orton, when he was a psychotic heel as WWE Champion and punting people in the head, was also out there clapping. Same with Edge when he originally retired in 2011. WWE has been doing the “kayfabe is suspended during certain legend segments” thing for a while now.
I don't know if you should consider this as a momentary suspension of kayfabe, a heel can be an asshole and still respect a legend that he grew up watching and possibly being a fan of, but then again that's just me having more respect for kayfabe than WWE has had in years, so... 🤷🏻♂️
It was great to see Big Show, Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan in the video package. Props to Tony for letting them do that. John Cena deserves so much more for how big of an impact he's had inside and out of the ring.
I didn't think about that but it's true, Paul Wight/Big Show was more featured on WWE television in this episode alone than he was on AEW television the past few months
I bet he's the most disappointed in all the old wwe wrestlers. I'd bet that Tony said he would get to wrestle every so often along with the commentary he is doing
As Jim always says, "how can I miss you if you don't go away", and I think the lack of Cena Sucks chants was mainly because they did miss him because he went away.
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? That has less to do with Cena and more of the shit booking and overall product..Cena could be used properly and interestingly but instead they made him super Cena and now down everyone while doing the same old shit over and over..early Cena was great.
@@NoThisIsAlex Reks was never going to get to the top. Would have been a top mid carder at best. Barrett and Riley, on the other hand, did have the talent to get there. Unfortunately for them, Cena's selfish actions prevented them both from getting there. At least both him and HHH tried to make up for their burials later on in their careers. Hogan on the other hand never did such a thing.
Great to see John Cena. I know Corny was all smiles seeing one of his prized pupils get a classy tribute. I grew out of the anti Cena camp once I saw how he much impacts people especially children. Him turning heel just to switch it up pales in comparison to what he brought to people worldwide being the good(albeit cheesy) guy. He's as casual friendly as it gets. Plus regardless of the in ring character the man himself is charismatic and has taken criticism including neckbeard level hatred online and in person better than most could. Still worked hard and remained professional. P.S. Cena taught me about the existence of 'cohabitate agreements'... Look it up fellas lol 👀
think about all the hate he's got online is more than most people have been talked about for their whole careers and then some. That doesn't even include the rest of the comment the guy gets that are positive, respectful or just indifferent either way and or otherwise.
At least Becky Lynch and Omos/MVP (and I won't give Omos credit for much) stayed in character, acting like they were "advised" to be there and they clearly didn't want to be.
I’m sorry, but Cena was never as over as Cornette claims here 0:42. In fact because they never turned Cena heel like they did Reigns they actually hurt themselves. They should of turn Cena full heel after Mania 22 when everyone was starting to cheer for Triple H again and boo Cena. I can’t recall Austin or Rock being heavily boo as much as Cena was and still being baby face. Cena was the top guy way longer then he should of been and they should of handed his spot over to some else like Punk or Bryan around 2011/2012/2013, but they kept Cena in as the top guy and drove millions of people away from WWE.
@@chrisortiz8072 About a month ago I was rewatching old RAW and Smackdown episodes from 05 and 06 you can see from the time people were cheering Cena to where they started to boo him. Cena was never EVER as over as an Austin or Rock. Cena was pushed AS A TOP GUY BUT WAS NEVER NATURALLY OVER as an Austin or Rock. Hell Triple H was over more most of his career then Cena was and Triple H was a heel most of his career. That’s how fake Cena was as a legitimate top guy who was REALLY truly over with fans and he was always being pushed on the fans and those people didn’t want that and they left never to return. Cena May not be the main reason wrestling sucks today, but he did a great job of driving off a lot of the people who watched this before he got into it. They should of replaced him much much sooner then they did and I mentioned Punk and Bryan just as examples. They were pre popular in 2011/2012/2013 and could of easily been pushed and marketed better then Cena was at the time.
@Rathi a mma got same ratings as ecw roughly on a good night. Fans who became lapsed started to watch mma because they used wrestling as a launch pad and copied vince McMahon. Dana has even said he took a thing or 2 from vince. Remember they did that version of tough enough right after wrestling to help boost the product. Some watched both but from my experience it was mostly lapsed. Remember around this time wrestling lost 3 million viewers at least. Kids around 15 watch both.
@Rathi a edge was popular, rvd, and jeff. 2 of them ruined it with drugs. Batista was hugely over but always getting injured. Aside from that let's not act like vince won't push who he wants until people just accept that's the way it is going to be. Also as I said during cena era we post at least 3milliom viewers or more. Went from 9 million to 6 and then end of cena run around 3?
It seemed like when talking to Ezekiel he was trying to get him to raise his energy level. Definitely noticeable difference between him and the current roster.
I caught on to the fact that Cena said nothing of real note beyond "Thank you" to the fans, which made the situation interesting to me. While it was good having him celebrate his 20th years with the WWE, he hasn't really been on TV and it's an odd coincidence that McMahon would bring him back while this investigation is going on. Not to mention that McMahon was the one personally issuing the introduction. But Brian and Corny hit the nail on the coffin when they describe what McMahon is doing here. It really is a master class in crowd psychology/manipulation because of how carefully crafted everything was. I saw this thing as McMahon pulling a favor from Cena to help him in this particular time to remind people of what the WWE has done over 20 years with a guy like Cena as their top guy, the endearing relationship with his fans, the Make-A-Wish (emphasizing this similar to how George W Bush was at a kindergarten reading stories when 9-11 happened), etc. all in attempting to demonstrate "well, maybe we had this one incident but look at the rest of the good we do!" Funny thing is that the ratings apparently held steady (maybe down according to one report) but my theory was that McMahon not only wanted to show what made the WWE big, he saw the increase in ratings with his presence and is continuing to use that momentum, especially with the investigation to show he's inextricably linked to the WWE's success (and ongoing success). Which could be true but it's a bit surprising that this night wasn't bigger. Then again wrestling is down across the board and the thing with the Cena appearance to me was that the crowd didn't seem as loud as they could have been compared to back in the day. I thought Claudio's appearance on Forbidden Door got as good if not a better reception. And if Cena didn't work the crowd (because he's smart), they would've come off a bit flat at some parts. So it'll be interesting to see where all this leads.
Cena has been doing that for like 10 years. It’s lame. I have no interest in seeing cena return unless he is gonna change the character his promos are terribly boring
John Cena sucks he isn't a legend I hate the way WWE call everyone that ever wrestled for them a legend Cena is a channel changer he was one of the main reasons why I stopped watching wrestling back in 2007
In honor of Cena I am curious to here everyone’s favorite Cena matches. My personal three that come off the top of my head: 1. Cena vs Michaels on a Raw in like 2007 where it went nearly an hour long. 2. Cena vs Styles Summer Slam 2016 3. Cena vs Punk Money in the Bank 2011
In no order, Cena vs HBK vs HHH at Mania idk... Cena vs Punk at MITB. Cena vs Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam. Cena vs Edge Judgement Day. Cena vs Orton Bragging Rights maybe? Cena vs Umaga.
My top 3 no order cuz they honestly all could be number 1 Rock vs Cena at WM28 I was there!! CM Punk vs John Cena MITB 2011 John Cena vs Seth Rollins NOC 2015 Honorable mentions would be the entire styles quadrilogy including the smackdown match they are all masterclass matches, twice in a lifetime, Summerslam 2013 versus Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton vs John Cena specifically RR 2014 where they traded each other’s finishers and just look like they knew each other so well they said I can do everything you can do
I kinda agree , it's very odd seeing people like Ziggler give CENA appreciation. Becky was ignored by CENA because of what she did to CENA years ago. BECKY and/or Seth are going to cost CENA his return match.
The Rock too. Fans treated him poorly his last couple years there booing him and cheering Hogan for some idiotic reason and then got mad when he decided he would pursue a career in Hollywood because he was too talented to be just a wrestler
John Cena got the legends treatment where he walks around back stage interacting with all the modern wwe superstars.......watching this you gotta ask...is this John Cena's peek in WWE. is this it for Cena. He reached legendary status where the whole roster comes out forming a line to clap for Cena's entrance.
Was part of the Cena sucks crowd for a long time because of the softness of the character. After all the years, he grew on me. The stuff he does for the kids with Make A Wish really changed my view on him a few years ago because it means something giving back to the kids. He was a fan growing up, and he gives back to the kids who love wrestling too. That means a lot to keep the machine that is pro wrestling going. Not to mention his roles in movies have been pretty good which shows that talent in the ring really does work for Hollywood.
@@TheNevendero the whole disavow Taiwan speaking Chinese was fucked up. I am gonna bet the farm he wishes he could take that one back, but look at how much blood money WWE has taken from Saudi Arabia too.
Gotta love how Vince seems to be finding excuses to show up on TV since stepping down as CEO. He just wants to remind the people who want him gone that they’ve got no chance in hell.
Just so Jim and Brian know, Becky just did that for her character, not because she actively was showing this was stupid to do on her behalf as a main event star. That makes it even worse that they didn’t allow any other wrestler to keep their damn character.
@@202Kev While I would agree with that, why was she there in the first place? If she didn't give 2 shits about Cena why be there with the all of the gushers? They could have instead did a random backstage interview with her and she gets asked a question about what she thinks of Cena's return and then she can light him up. Would have gotten the same result. Just no logic in today's storytelling.
Lol yet they said nothing of dolph Ziggler and his "oh hey it's my old friend wink wink John wink give me a hug" ...hug lol since they legit didn't get along cus John stole his woman LMFAO yet they call her out being in character aha Jim must be getting old wow
@@markula_4040 good point!! I figured McMahon told all of the talent to go out there, which I'm sure no one had a problem with. Becky just made sure to stay in character. She's one of the best in the business.
Actually, WWE did a Bret Hart Appreciation Night in Calgary taped after a RAW that they aired later. The entire locker room emptied and gave a standing ovation on the ramp, breaking Kayfabe. So yes, this has been done.
His Make a Wish amount I believe is over 650 and he’s number 1 by a wide margin John Cena is genuinely just a great humble down to earth guy though through all the fame, the main events, the championships, the movies, DC, etc he just looks at himself as that same kid from West Newbury
It's hard to say. He does do a lot but children were also his main audience etc. I guess end of the day it doesnt matter why he did it.. it just matters that some children got their wishes
still the wwe shows cena respect and what he did for the business and longevity for being a top star and face of the company go be negative somewhere else hater!
It was funny seeing someone post the 2 videos of Cena & Punk about people watching the shows. Cena told fans to cheer & boo and let people know how they feel about the product, and on the flipside Punk told fans if they don't like what they see then they can STFU.😆
This is what I always say, Attitude era worked because the main event scene were all guys who thought THEY were the greatest. They thought themselves to be at the top of the mountain
Was Cena stale? Yes. Was he booked to strong? Yes. Did he need to go away? Yes I've never understood ALL the hate Hogan got for his big run on top or the hate Cena got. Some of it's deserved, the politicking, the being lazy in the ring when you know they're actually capable competent workers when they want to be, the stale booking. At the end of the day Cena got over with the rap gimmick, he got over as a face and ALWAYS got a reaction. Whether he was cheered or booed he got the loudest reaction and he got the most fan engagement.
After John hasn't been around much, you see why WWE has missed him, if he and a few others came in an did a nwo type thing, that could boost WWE a bit. Just who do you get to join Cena, maybe Brock, Orton, Lesnar and Benjamin, imagine that stable wrecking shit lol. Only don't let that stable run down everyone, or the company, have bischoff come in to manage them vs Paul and the bloodline, see I could book some great stuff.
Raw was very good on Monday especially the John Cena Celebration. He's one of my All Time Favorites and a Class Act all the way. I'm glad he said he's not done yet.
@@DXCenaWWE4life Cena is China bootlicker. He was only brought back because the product sucks more than ever and they want to try and distract form WWE's legal issues.
I thought it was very well done and you could tell kt was all about having fun and about John Cena as a wrestler and person in and out of the ring. Becky Lynch's whole attitude was played as her current character requires it to be and I liked that she kept kayfabe. I loved the digs at AEWCWWETNA Lite and it also exposed even Jericho as you could tell even in Jericho's mannerisms and how rough he looked.
@@pleaseshutup7053 The weekly viewers that Wwe does now, is where tna was at its peak. Less people watch the business today than ever since its been on national television
I like that. Have the pomp and circumstance for Cenas 20 years but yet they don’t give it to the guy who’s been an active member/main eventer longer than Cena, has more ppv matches than anyone in WWE history, and never left WWE for Hollywood; Randy Orton. It’s funny because the WWE actually ran a storyline about that when both Orton and Cena got injured in 2008 and Cena got the grand return but Orton didn’t lol
Cena is a star, no matter how much you might hate how he was pushed during his time in the WWE He also has proven to be a great human being, who earns everyone's respect. I'd be happy to see him do more matches and being an opponent for Theory would be a great way to make Theory a real deal. Also, the fact that Bryan Danielson, Big Show, and Jericho got to pay their respects to Cena was great, and can Vince and Tony finally get their heads out of their asses and give us the real "Forbidden Door." a WWE/AEW show. It would bring in so much money and hype for both companies, and if they can do little things like this, why not more? Everyone benefits and everyone has something to look forward to. I know a lot of it also has to do with Vince and Tony's egos. I will agree as big as Cena was it was odd having the heels cheering for him. I love that Becky stayed in character and pouted on the back, half-ass clapping, not caring about Cena, and worried about her problem.
I tuned in, saw him doing the walk thru, saw sheldon benjamin, thought Oh there's one of the best wrestlers they have that they don't use, why? The first 2 minutes, the walk thru, made me switch it off.
Just made a similar comment on Randy Orton’s 20 year anniversary review video, but man. My childhood is over. Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, and HBK are all grizzled vets now, and most of them fully retired. I’ll cry when Orton and Cena call it a career.
There really were barely any heels visible in the back during the opening of Raw except for Becky and Dolph. Any out-of-character botches pale in comparison to how Adam Cole and Britt Baker acted during the Owen Hart Tournament title ceremony.
I’ve never cared two drops about the wrestler, but he’s obviously a very good person. Tutus told a great story on a podcast recently about Cena faking a trip to the bathroom just so that Tyrus could have his Wrestlemania moment. Worth looking up.
@@simenzelwedlamini7875 not really. As I said he tried hard but was terrible at actually executing the moves. His look and charisma carried him though. Its not being a hater to be honest. I don't like nor dislike him. Ask yourself an honest question. Did Cena get anyone over? Who were all his best matches against? Were they hall of famers or soon to be hall of famers? The failed ones just had meh matches with. You are entitled to your opinion but this is how I see it
@@chrisortiz8072 aj styles , c m punk . Daniel bryan , seth rollins scored big wins on cena and anyone who beats cena at a big stage gets over as hell thats how special cena is when wrestling him u become a star thats what cena is trying to do with the new generation I would say he was at his best in his prime in 2015 - 2017 when he had the us cahmpionship now looking at him now his getting up there with age and can't perform at the pace he used to but beating him will help new talent become stars thats how big cena is u say his Terrible doing moves u should go back there a lot of cena best matches 2005 jbl judgement day , Omaha last man standing match , hbk w23 , cm punk mitb 2011 etc I'm just tell u facts here and the truth!
Yeah, Cornette hit the nail on the head with the wrestlers clapping for Cena. While I don’t mind several modern guys, I hate how they constantly bring up how they were fans of old wrestlers, or grew up admiring them. I especially had this problem with TNA, with everyone constantly talking about how they wanted to be like Sting, Flair, Hogan, Steiner, etc.
I wish they would’ve kept it to guys like Shelton Benjamin who came in with John or R Truth, Ziggler, and Kofi who’s part of the old guard and probably close to Cena. That stuff was nice to see, especially Shelton and Cena. I would’ve loved to see them have a moment together. But someone like Miz should absolutely not have been there smiling and greeting Cena considering their rivalries over the past decade plus.
Deal-In-Pizza-Snacks-Hungry-Ice-Tamales-Sweet Iike you are also the reason why we had The Invasion, Katie Vick, Hornswoggle McMahon, "Sufferin' Succotash" Roman Reigns, Eddie Guerrero exploitation, KEVIN DUNN etc.!
picture this occuring 20 years AGO...every guy in that scene at the beginning would have been a NAME and face that was over...most in this current scene were hard to name and def not over!
This was the only thing on Raw that I was looking forward to they should've use Cena's 2008 titantron as a throwback since it was his 20th anniversary.
@@escapethematrix4204 lol you're right but that would've worked for one night plus the stuff from 14 years ago is better than the Current WWE product 🤣🤣🤣
Cents biggest problem for me was in-ring. He was just nowhere near the calibre of the generation before him. He did improve near the end when they brought in guys like Styles and Owens but before that he put on some real stinkers and his character was so stale for so many years.
Here's the thing this man Cena was "always" a good ass wrestler the problem is since he was the top guy they restricted him so hard to the point you seen him doing a handful of moves just to keep him healthy and safe
@@mysonandme8424 he was lol why do you think before he was good guy Cena he was doing all sorts of moves as prototype and then thuganomics and then magically when he became pg Cena he does only 5 moves he's always knew how to wrestle
"You're not better than me, Kurt. You're not my equal. I'm like Terminator 3, you're like a Legally Blonde sequel." - John Cena
I dunno if that burn really worked out in the long run.
Terminator 3 sucked
"Forget the 619, 911 is your slogan.
I'mma bout to put a whippin' on the Mexican Gary Coleman." -John Cena
That didn't hold up well. T3 was awful.
I enjoyed both Blonde movies more than T3
They did the “entire roster applauds” thing for Ric Flair as well in 2008. Flair was a lot older then than Cena is now, but still. Even Undertaker went out and applauded. Orton, when he was a psychotic heel as WWE Champion and punting people in the head, was also out there clapping.
Same with Edge when he originally retired in 2011.
WWE has been doing the “kayfabe is suspended during certain legend segments” thing for a while now.
Well it's Ric Flair that roster grew up watching him. John Cena didn't deserve the same treatment
I don't know if you should consider this as a momentary suspension of kayfabe, a heel can be an asshole and still respect a legend that he grew up watching and possibly being a fan of, but then again that's just me having more respect for kayfabe than WWE has had in years, so... 🤷🏻♂️
It looks trashy
@@battman0624 do you realize how long Cena has been around now? Alot of the current roster DID grow up watching him.
At least with Orton they were in Evolution together.
It was great to see Big Show, Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan in the video package. Props to Tony for letting them do that. John Cena deserves so much more for how big of an impact he's had inside and out of the ring.
@@tylermcnally8232 Even though They used their WWE names...(Well except Chris.)
@@twobrosgamers8426 he’s been always named Chris Jericho
@@bash8387 I know that’s why I said “Except Chris”
More of wwe for allowing it but yeah
At this point in their careers (Big Show, Jericho, Danielson), Tony Khan wouldn't be able to stop them even if he said no I would wager.
I didn't think about that but it's true, Paul Wight/Big Show was more featured on WWE television in this episode alone than he was on AEW television the past few months
Lmao
“Game changer”
@@UFCWWE69 Who said he was a game changer lol
😂 very true
I bet he's the most disappointed in all the old wwe wrestlers. I'd bet that Tony said he would get to wrestle every so often along with the commentary he is doing
I wanted to hear Jim’s thoughts on Seth laughing to the beat of Cena’s theme 😂
I loved that 😆
“They should of put him in the pope mobile with Vince driving” I haven’t laughed that loud in years! They should have really done that!
Gotta say, WWE are really good at video packages. That song was perfect too
It’s the ONE thing they actually still get Right Nowadays …. 🤷🏿♂️
@@constablekennedy7705 and making money
The song just made me think of Heyman going "Do doodoo doooooo!"
@@constablekennedy7705 and signing beautiful woman talent too lol
Got Cena in that Magic Johnson jersey like the good old Thuganomics days
Word life
“I’m clocking in at 193 these days, that’s his [Michael PS Hayes] left leg”
I’m dead 💀
That part killed me
As Jim always says, "how can I miss you if you don't go away", and I think the lack of Cena Sucks chants was mainly because they did miss him because he went away.
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? That has less to do with Cena and more of the shit booking and overall product..Cena could be used properly and interestingly but instead they made him super Cena and now down everyone while doing the same old shit over and over..early Cena was great.
@@Sky_Blaze true
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? Still better than today's garbage
Cena seems to be appreciated by all of the guys in the industry
Except Tyler Reks
@@NoThisIsAlex or other jobbers that were just not going to get anywhere anyway 😂
@@NoThisIsAlex who?
@@NoThisIsAlex Reks was never going to get to the top. Would have been a top mid carder at best. Barrett and Riley, on the other hand, did have the talent to get there. Unfortunately for them, Cena's selfish actions prevented them both from getting there. At least both him and HHH tried to make up for their burials later on in their careers. Hogan on the other hand never did such a thing.
I was there in person at the Cena anniversary, I will say he got a standing ovation from the entire arena. It was really cool to see.
Great to see John Cena. I know Corny was all smiles seeing one of his prized pupils get a classy tribute.
I grew out of the anti Cena camp once I saw how he much impacts people especially children. Him turning heel just to switch it up pales in comparison to what he brought to people worldwide being the good(albeit cheesy) guy. He's as casual friendly as it gets.
Plus regardless of the in ring character the man himself is charismatic and has taken criticism including neckbeard level hatred online and in person better than most could. Still worked hard and remained professional. P.S. Cena taught me about the existence of 'cohabitate agreements'... Look it up fellas lol 👀
Cena was so smart to have a cohabitate agreement. Nikki couldn't take him to the cleaners.
@@MrSpeed-lt8gr Facts. Honestly THAT is probably the moment I snapped out of the hate lol. The kids loving him was secondary.
I guess Cena's previous divorce was an ugly one.
Yea my first live show and to hear a Cena crowd pop was different than everyone else’s
think about all the hate he's got online is more than most people have been talked about for their whole careers and then some. That doesn't even include the rest of the comment the guy gets that are positive, respectful or just indifferent either way and or otherwise.
At least Becky Lynch and Omos/MVP (and I won't give Omos credit for much) stayed in character, acting like they were "advised" to be there and they clearly didn't want to be.
I’m sorry, but Cena was never as over as Cornette claims here 0:42. In fact because they never turned Cena heel like they did Reigns they actually hurt themselves. They should of turn Cena full heel after Mania 22 when everyone was starting to cheer for Triple H again and boo Cena. I can’t recall Austin or Rock being heavily boo as much as Cena was and still being baby face. Cena was the top guy way longer then he should of been and they should of handed his spot over to some else like Punk or Bryan around 2011/2012/2013, but they kept Cena in as the top guy and drove millions of people away from WWE.
I wouldn't say punk or bryan but I can agree with most of it
@@chrisortiz8072 About a month ago I was rewatching old RAW and Smackdown episodes from 05 and 06 you can see from the time people were cheering Cena to where they started to boo him. Cena was never EVER as over as an Austin or Rock. Cena was pushed AS A TOP GUY BUT WAS NEVER NATURALLY OVER as an Austin or Rock. Hell Triple H was over more most of his career then Cena was and Triple H was a heel most of his career. That’s how fake Cena was as a legitimate top guy who was REALLY truly over with fans and he was always being pushed on the fans and those people didn’t want that and they left never to return.
Cena May not be the main reason wrestling sucks today, but he did a great job of driving off a lot of the people who watched this before he got into it. They should of replaced him much much sooner then they did and I mentioned Punk and Bryan just as examples. They were pre popular in 2011/2012/2013 and could of easily been pushed and marketed better then Cena was at the time.
@@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster popular to dweeb. Say what you want about cena, but he appeals to more people than 2 indie dorks combined.
@Rathi a mma got same ratings as ecw roughly on a good night. Fans who became lapsed started to watch mma because they used wrestling as a launch pad and copied vince McMahon. Dana has even said he took a thing or 2 from vince. Remember they did that version of tough enough right after wrestling to help boost the product. Some watched both but from my experience it was mostly lapsed. Remember around this time wrestling lost 3 million viewers at least. Kids around 15 watch both.
@Rathi a edge was popular, rvd, and jeff. 2 of them ruined it with drugs. Batista was hugely over but always getting injured. Aside from that let's not act like vince won't push who he wants until people just accept that's the way it is going to be. Also as I said during cena era we post at least 3milliom viewers or more. Went from 9 million to 6 and then end of cena run around 3?
"All of the Make-a-Wish kids. Well...not all of 'em."
Bruh!!!🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
Cena being there really showed how much that company lacks a big star and they have no one to blame but themselves.
Well said Fella
It seemed like when talking to Ezekiel he was trying to get him to raise his energy level. Definitely noticeable difference between him and the current roster.
Cena is a league of his own but I don’t think his presence undermined everyone else- Becky, Bianca, & Bobby all felt huge on that Raw
@@johnberry2678 with all due respect those three are not on the same level of stardom as Cena is and that’s what I generally meant.
@@davidnelson4347 your reading comprehension skills are lacking, fam. I literally said Cena is in a league of his own
I caught on to the fact that Cena said nothing of real note beyond "Thank you" to the fans, which made the situation interesting to me. While it was good having him celebrate his 20th years with the WWE, he hasn't really been on TV and it's an odd coincidence that McMahon would bring him back while this investigation is going on. Not to mention that McMahon was the one personally issuing the introduction.
But Brian and Corny hit the nail on the coffin when they describe what McMahon is doing here. It really is a master class in crowd psychology/manipulation because of how carefully crafted everything was. I saw this thing as McMahon pulling a favor from Cena to help him in this particular time to remind people of what the WWE has done over 20 years with a guy like Cena as their top guy, the endearing relationship with his fans, the Make-A-Wish (emphasizing this similar to how George W Bush was at a kindergarten reading stories when 9-11 happened), etc. all in attempting to demonstrate "well, maybe we had this one incident but look at the rest of the good we do!"
Funny thing is that the ratings apparently held steady (maybe down according to one report) but my theory was that McMahon not only wanted to show what made the WWE big, he saw the increase in ratings with his presence and is continuing to use that momentum, especially with the investigation to show he's inextricably linked to the WWE's success (and ongoing success). Which could be true but it's a bit surprising that this night wasn't bigger. Then again wrestling is down across the board and the thing with the Cena appearance to me was that the crowd didn't seem as loud as they could have been compared to back in the day. I thought Claudio's appearance on Forbidden Door got as good if not a better reception. And if Cena didn't work the crowd (because he's smart), they would've come off a bit flat at some parts. So it'll be interesting to see where all this leads.
How can any celebrate when the 76-year-old boss is under investigation over a sexual misconduct?
Cena has been doing that for like 10 years. It’s lame. I have no interest in seeing cena return unless he is gonna change the character his promos are terribly boring
@@dilungmoveityafool777 because he doesn’t give af
Vince always was keeping on with business. He cant just be ill get depressed and not watch over my billion dollar empire
John Cena sucks he isn't a legend I hate the way WWE call everyone that ever wrestled for them a legend Cena is a channel changer he was one of the main reasons why I stopped watching wrestling back in 2007
In honor of Cena I am curious to here everyone’s favorite Cena matches. My personal three that come off the top of my head:
1. Cena vs Michaels on a Raw in like 2007 where it went nearly an hour long.
2. Cena vs Styles Summer Slam 2016
3. Cena vs Punk Money in the Bank 2011
Cena vs Cesaro
In no order, Cena vs HBK vs HHH at Mania idk... Cena vs Punk at MITB. Cena vs Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam. Cena vs Edge Judgement Day. Cena vs Orton Bragging Rights maybe? Cena vs Umaga.
Cena vs. Umaga LMS
Cena vs. Punk MITB 2011
Cena vs. Lesnar Extreme Rules
Cena vs Rvd the best one lol
My top 3 no order cuz they honestly all could be number 1 Rock vs Cena at WM28 I was there!!
CM Punk vs John Cena MITB 2011
John Cena vs Seth Rollins NOC 2015
Honorable mentions would be the entire styles quadrilogy including the smackdown match they are all masterclass matches, twice in a lifetime, Summerslam 2013 versus Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton vs John Cena specifically RR 2014 where they traded each other’s finishers and just look like they knew each other so well they said I can do everything you can do
I kinda agree , it's very odd seeing people like Ziggler give CENA appreciation.
Becky was ignored by CENA because of what she did to CENA years ago. BECKY and/or Seth are going to cost CENA his return match.
Whoes Becky again? 😦
John Cena is the definition of you’ll miss me when I’m gone
💯 Bro
The Rock too. Fans treated him poorly his last couple years there booing him and cheering Hogan for some idiotic reason and then got mad when he decided he would pursue a career in Hollywood because he was too talented to be just a wrestler
No. He's awful.
What's there to be missed ? Horrible in ring work and a half way promo. The white rapper yo yo yo stuff is played out.
To those who like him. I'm glad he's gone and I can't stand anything involving him.
I thought the same thing made the wrestlers look like fans of the one guy and diminishes them as wrestlers.
The WWE cannot Diminish their Wrestlers anymore than they already have ….
What bothered me and I like Cena but...... them calling him the greatest of all time is a stretch in my opinion
Wwe does that for everyone it means nothing
Raw was more of a Forbidden Door than the actual PPV lmao. Chris Jericho, Bryan Danielson, and Big Show made videos congratulating Cena
Coming in at 193, that's his left leg, lmao!
AAAAAHAAAAHAHAAHAAAAA
Becky lynch was exceptional as usual
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John Cena got the legends treatment where he walks around back stage interacting with all the modern wwe superstars.......watching this you gotta ask...is this John Cena's peek in WWE. is this it for Cena. He reached legendary status where the whole roster comes out forming a line to clap for Cena's entrance.
His peak was 2005
They were probably forced to do so but yes lol
JOHN CENA 50TH ANNIVERSARY....."I CANT SEE YOU"
The Private Profits would 1,000% have been a mock gimmick back during the Monday night wars like Gilberg, Blue World Order or Oklahoma lol.
Great my brain has Street Profits and Private Party scrambled after this hit. Private Profits, Street Party, it’s all a jumble!
Heel Cena exists in the multiverse
FF is the closest to heel Cena
And in Taiwan.
@@mrwednesdaynight ha
They turn him and he’s got 10 years of stories right there.
Hahahahaha Jims vince impression introducing Cena was so funny
Was part of the Cena sucks crowd for a long time because of the softness of the character. After all the years, he grew on me. The stuff he does for the kids with Make A Wish really changed my view on him a few years ago because it means something giving back to the kids. He was a fan growing up, and he gives back to the kids who love wrestling too. That means a lot to keep the machine that is pro wrestling going. Not to mention his roles in movies have been pretty good which shows that talent in the ring really does work for Hollywood.
I just didn't find him must watch t.v. I preferred brock and edge during that era if wrestling.
It's because he was like superman and unbeatable, made the whole show ridiculous
Yeah, he especially cares about the ones in Taiwan, gotta give him props for that.
@@TheNevendero the whole disavow Taiwan speaking Chinese was fucked up. I am gonna bet the farm he wishes he could take that one back, but look at how much blood money WWE has taken from Saudi Arabia too.
I was a “Cena Sucks” guy for a while, but then I saw what the alternative was and now I’m like Cena’s not that bad I guess
Ziggler at least tried to uphold kayfabe, by grimacing at the hug from Cena, initially.
That hug from Cena turned Ziggler face again…he even decided to go after Theory for disrespecting Cena😂
The Randy Orton 20th had more heels and they all clapped at ringside.
Gotta love how Vince seems to be finding excuses to show up on TV since stepping down as CEO. He just wants to remind the people who want him gone that they’ve got no chance in hell.
WWE was never the same after he debuted. It was all down hill after that. The beginning of the end.
I would say after he became champ. It was all downhill and ratings show.
He was pushed too early. Rock and Austin both retired too early so we got Cena.
The thing is why are we even talking about someone whom we could Never see?!……
WWE went downhill in 2001. Cena didn't get a major push until 2005 lol
Wrong. 2006 is personally my favorite year in the company
Just so Jim and Brian know, Becky just did that for her character, not because she actively was showing this was stupid to do on her behalf as a main event star. That makes it even worse that they didn’t allow any other wrestler to keep their damn character.
Exactly! I thought it was brilliant character work on her part. She didn’t even move when he came over towards her.
@@202Kev While I would agree with that, why was she there in the first place? If she didn't give 2 shits about Cena why be there with the all of the gushers? They could have instead did a random backstage interview with her and she gets asked a question about what she thinks of Cena's return and then she can light him up. Would have gotten the same result. Just no logic in today's storytelling.
1. Unless she, or someone close to her told you that, it's only speculation.
Lol yet they said nothing of dolph Ziggler and his "oh hey it's my old friend wink wink John wink give me a hug" ...hug lol since they legit didn't get along cus John stole his woman LMFAO yet they call her out being in character aha Jim must be getting old wow
@@markula_4040 good point!! I figured McMahon told all of the talent to go out there, which I'm sure no one had a problem with. Becky just made sure to stay in character. She's one of the best in the business.
Actually, WWE did a Bret Hart Appreciation Night in Calgary taped after a RAW that they aired later. The entire locker room emptied and gave a standing ovation on the ramp, breaking Kayfabe. So yes, this has been done.
With how much fun Jim has reviewing, it makes me want to go back and watch the clips even if I already watched them.
“And a package with all the Make-A-Wish kids……well, not all of them”
Literally laughed at cornys vince impression about 50 times 😂😂😂
I really enjoy hearing Cornette quote Charlie Daniels songs. "Uneasy Rider" is one of my favorites.
I love how Corny sounds like The Penguin, sometimes.
His Make a Wish amount I believe is over 650 and he’s number 1 by a wide margin John Cena is genuinely just a great humble down to earth guy though through all the fame, the main events, the championships, the movies, DC, etc he just looks at himself as that same kid from West Newbury
@Why The Hell Was I In Star Trek 6? you speakingfacts boy. And these weirdos bringing up make a wish like that means you are a good person know
It's hard to say. He does do a lot but children were also his main audience etc. I guess end of the day it doesnt matter why he did it.. it just matters that some children got their wishes
I'm clocking in at 193 these days... That's his left leg. 😂
I don't know but Jim seemed on fire. He was just dishing out singers after zinger after zinger "big ass his left leg" had me rolling
WWE does make great video packages
20y? Cena hasn't been a full timer in nearly 5 years.
still the wwe shows cena respect and what he did for the business and longevity for being a top star and face of the company go be negative somewhere else hater!
"Humble Babyfacery" my new favorite Cornyism
It was funny seeing someone post the 2 videos of Cena & Punk about people watching the shows. Cena told fans to cheer & boo and let people know how they feel about the product, and on the flipside Punk told fans if they don't like what they see then they can STFU.😆
This is what I always say, Attitude era worked because the main event scene were all guys who thought THEY were the greatest. They thought themselves to be at the top of the mountain
Chris Jericho definitely will be the next AEW star to go to WWE he already set up a match with Cena lmaoo
@@tylermcnally8232 He was a star before WWE
I popped for Jim going into "Ballad of the Uneasy Rider."
Was Cena stale? Yes. Was he booked to strong? Yes. Did he need to go away? Yes
I've never understood ALL the hate Hogan got for his big run on top or the hate Cena got. Some of it's deserved, the politicking, the being lazy in the ring when you know they're actually capable competent workers when they want to be, the stale booking.
At the end of the day Cena got over with the rap gimmick, he got over as a face and ALWAYS got a reaction. Whether he was cheered or booed he got the loudest reaction and he got the most fan engagement.
Yeah why listen to fans who want Interesting characters and interesting stories told.
John Cena: big fish walking
Everyone else: clapping seals
Ha! Here Player you deserve this!👑
No 🧢 ………………. 💯
The heels are clapping like geeks and fans in the backstage
Random Thoughts - Watch Becky Lynch
After John hasn't been around much, you see why WWE has missed him, if he and a few others came in an did a nwo type thing, that could boost WWE a bit. Just who do you get to join Cena, maybe Brock, Orton, Lesnar and Benjamin, imagine that stable wrecking shit lol. Only don't let that stable run down everyone, or the company, have bischoff come in to manage them vs Paul and the bloodline, see I could book some great stuff.
It wouldn't withstand and I just don't see Brock, Cena, and Orton all in a stable
fucking awful
@@taskforcekillah9722 jealous ass lol
@@Sky_Blaze I'm not saying it would happen, it would be cool
That would cool If done right
Happy 20 years, Ernest!
I have to shout out Jim for the Uneasy Rider reference. Holy crap.
Becky was great, more people should be like her.
She’s cringey af
@@carter3369 🤡
She’s great. IMO she’s the only one that didn’t come off looking stupid during cena’s walk through the back
@@carter3369 💯
@@florida_guy03 Cena probably hit it before Seth ever did and she's still mad that he never returned her phone call, typical bitter b**** s***.
Raw was very good on Monday especially the John Cena Celebration. He's one of my All Time Favorites and a Class Act all the way. I'm glad he said he's not done yet.
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Hmm didn't realize I said something funny here.
@@DXCenaWWE4life Cena is China bootlicker. He was only brought back because the product sucks more than ever and they want to try and distract form WWE's legal issues.
They should have let him AA Becky.
Long Overdue
They should have seen his interminable interaction with Seth Rollins afterwards. I just love to hear Brian taking Rollins' apart.
Same I love his view on Rollins with the PCP stuff it’s hilarious but really does make sense lol
I thought it was very well done and you could tell kt was all about having fun and about John Cena as a wrestler and person in and out of the ring. Becky Lynch's whole attitude was played as her current character requires it to be and I liked that she kept kayfabe. I loved the digs at AEWCWWETNA Lite and it also exposed even Jericho as you could tell even in Jericho's mannerisms and how rough he looked.
Very well done it’s the same thing he does every time he returns no creativity whatsoever
Would have been nice her doing a segment with him talking crap
Cena is the last true megastar the business will ever have, because no one gives a shit about the business anymore
God this makes me wish Dolph Ziggler was born 20 years earlier so he could be in the territory days
Jade cargill will be a mega star
@@pleaseshutup7053 if she does it will be because she gets in the right movie and has an outstanding performance....it wont be from wrestling
@@kennethrawlings7265 it will be wrestling is bigger than you think.
@@pleaseshutup7053 The weekly viewers that Wwe does now, is where tna was at its peak. Less people watch the business today than ever since its been on national television
I like that. Have the pomp and circumstance for Cenas 20 years but yet they don’t give it to the guy who’s been an active member/main eventer longer than Cena, has more ppv matches than anyone in WWE history, and never left WWE for Hollywood; Randy Orton.
It’s funny because the WWE actually ran a storyline about that when both Orton and Cena got injured in 2008 and Cena got the grand return but Orton didn’t lol
orton wasn't nearly as much of a stiff, childish, cartoony, ass kissing type.
Cena is a star, no matter how much you might hate how he was pushed during his time in the WWE He also has proven to be a great human being, who earns everyone's respect. I'd be happy to see him do more matches and being an opponent for Theory would be a great way to make Theory a real deal. Also, the fact that Bryan Danielson, Big Show, and Jericho got to pay their respects to Cena was great, and can Vince and Tony finally get their heads out of their asses and give us the real "Forbidden Door." a WWE/AEW show. It would bring in so much money and hype for both companies, and if they can do little things like this, why not more? Everyone benefits and everyone has something to look forward to. I know a lot of it also has to do with Vince and Tony's egos. I will agree as big as Cena was it was odd having the heels cheering for him. I love that Becky stayed in character and pouted on the back, half-ass clapping, not caring about Cena, and worried about her problem.
Nobody cares about the push. It was the bland character man what’s wrong with you people.
Austin Theory did it right. Told Cena he wasn't as good as Theory and showed him no respect
I said that same thing it’s so cringe to have the talent cheering and standing on the stage it’s burring the roster terrible
The standing ovation was weird to me. It seemed forced and didn't make sense to have everyone back there. The heels shouldn't have been there at all.
I tuned in, saw him doing the walk thru, saw sheldon benjamin, thought Oh there's one of the best wrestlers they have that they don't use, why? The first 2 minutes, the walk thru, made me switch it off.
Nobody has mentioned the Jim Cornette sign that was shown while Cena was in the ring before talking
Easily the best art I've ever seen associated with this channel.
Here before that one schmuck comes by with the lazy "it’s not art" comment.
@@harveycryst222 lol it’s okay to disagree
Not exactly art
@@ASCUMBAGWh0re here we go lol
Can everybody stop making this lame comment every vid we get it Travis is good but fuck y'all say "best one yet" for every thumbnail stfu
Just made a similar comment on Randy Orton’s 20 year anniversary review video, but man. My childhood is over. Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, and HBK are all grizzled vets now, and most of them fully retired. I’ll cry when Orton and Cena call it a career.
There really were barely any heels visible in the back during the opening of Raw except for Becky and Dolph. Any out-of-character botches pale in comparison to how Adam Cole and Britt Baker acted during the Owen Hart Tournament title ceremony.
I’ve never cared two drops about the wrestler, but he’s obviously a very good person. Tutus told a great story on a podcast recently about Cena faking a trip to the bathroom just so that Tyrus could have his Wrestlemania moment. Worth looking up.
Yeah as a wrestler meh as a hard worker though I respect him
hater !
@@chrisortiz8072 hater he was a decent wrestler good wrestler
@@simenzelwedlamini7875 not really. As I said he tried hard but was terrible at actually executing the moves. His look and charisma carried him though. Its not being a hater to be honest. I don't like nor dislike him. Ask yourself an honest question. Did Cena get anyone over? Who were all his best matches against? Were they hall of famers or soon to be hall of famers? The failed ones just had meh matches with. You are entitled to your opinion but this is how I see it
@@chrisortiz8072 aj styles , c m punk . Daniel bryan , seth rollins scored big wins on cena and anyone who beats cena at a big stage gets over as hell thats how special cena is when wrestling him u become a star thats what cena is trying to do with the new generation I would say he was at his best in his prime in 2015 - 2017 when he had the us cahmpionship now looking at him now his getting up there with age and can't perform at the pace he used to but beating him will help new talent become stars thats how big cena is u say his Terrible doing moves u should go back there a lot of cena best matches 2005 jbl judgement day , Omaha last man standing match , hbk w23 , cm punk mitb 2011 etc I'm just tell u facts here and the truth!
Why the fck were heels applauding and shaking shaking his hand? Aew booking their problems but wwe is the pits.
Killings was mocking the whole "you were my favorite wrestler growing up!" bit since he is like 50
No that has been part of his gimmick for years now.
Kevin Owens made a joke about if there was a third brother Elrod and now it is real obviously.
Wait…where’s the Forbidden Door review? Don’t tell me he didn’t watch the damn thing.
Damn Corny didn’t catch the Cena/Seth/Omos segment 😂
Vince is isVINCEible. With whats going on and he gets that ovation shows how much he is liked
In wrestling that isn't the popemobile, it is the Russomobile. If anyone remembers Russo came out in a popemobile in WCW in 2000.
So, Jim is stealing Russo's old ideas?
It was honestly hard for me to not just see Peacemaker the whole time, lol.
I love the fact that Becky wasn't really clapping. That was great.
Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan video lol
Yeah, Cornette hit the nail on the head with the wrestlers clapping for Cena. While I don’t mind several modern guys, I hate how they constantly bring up how they were fans of old wrestlers, or grew up admiring them. I especially had this problem with TNA, with everyone constantly talking about how they wanted to be like Sting, Flair, Hogan, Steiner, etc.
I wish they would’ve kept it to guys like Shelton Benjamin who came in with John or R Truth, Ziggler, and Kofi who’s part of the old guard and probably close to Cena. That stuff was nice to see, especially Shelton and Cena. I would’ve loved to see them have a moment together. But someone like Miz should absolutely not have been there smiling and greeting Cena considering their rivalries over the past decade plus.
Corny's rocking 193? Holy shit I'm fat!
Cornetet is only 5ft4 though...
I'm happy to see vinnymac on tv, it's like we might only see him another few years, or maybe another 20 who knows, but it's cool.
Don’t count on it, his mother lived to be about 101 💀
@@bobleponge8750 that's a good age!
Deal-In-Pizza-Snacks-Hungry-Ice-Tamales-Sweet Iike you are also the reason why we had The Invasion, Katie Vick, Hornswoggle McMahon, "Sufferin' Succotash" Roman Reigns, Eddie Guerrero exploitation, KEVIN DUNN etc.!
@@psychopathyoutubeemployees280 mmm k, thanks for that
@@garyhen2028 - Hopefully, Vince McMahon
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Cornette hates Kevin Bucky Beaver Dunn very much, but he praises Dunn's work that is wwe video production
picture this occuring 20 years AGO...every guy in that scene at the beginning would have been a NAME and face that was over...most in this current scene were hard to name and def not over!
Very True Bro
Should have celebrated R Truths 25years back in March
I'll never forgive Cena for burying the Nexus. David Otunga would have been a 10 time world champion by now if it wasn't for Super Cena.
Jennifer Hudsons ex husband ? Dude was horrible in the ring.
This was the only thing on Raw that I was looking forward to they should've use Cena's 2008 titantron as a throwback since it was his 20th anniversary.
@@escapethematrix4204 lol you're right but that would've worked for one night plus the stuff from 14 years ago is better than the Current WWE product 🤣🤣🤣
Can we get Vince driving the Pope mobile with Cena at the next WrestleMania?🤣🤣
“The Queen of soulll Jaahn Cenaaaa” 😂😂😂😂😂
***[Imitates Jerking Off Motion]***
Cents biggest problem for me was in-ring. He was just nowhere near the calibre of the generation before him. He did improve near the end when they brought in guys like Styles and Owens but before that he put on some real stinkers and his character was so stale for so many years.
Fiddy was a wrestler?
Here's the thing this man Cena was "always" a good ass wrestler the problem is since he was the top guy they restricted him so hard to the point you seen him doing a handful of moves just to keep him healthy and safe
@@XxPlatinumChief no, he wasn't
@@mysonandme8424 he was lol why do you think before he was good guy Cena he was doing all sorts of moves as prototype and then thuganomics and then magically when he became pg Cena he does only 5 moves he's always knew how to wrestle
@@hornylorney8150 You’ll find him in the club but you can’t see him 🫣😆