Still has low to no practical use in real games, but at least it's not worthless in some cases anymore lol. For a comparison of how the sub buff worked previously, check out the coverage here several months ago: th-cam.com/video/jHxcgzAlB6c/w-d-xo.html
You didn't get more rounds with TSG Adora because the increase from the transformation isn't counted as base damage, for some reason, and isn't multiplied.
There's one interaction with Adora light ball where submerging the sub paragon during the light ball makes Adora actually surpass the sub Paragon DPS - however, the fact that Adora is basically the only hero with an ability that scales so well with sub paragon, reads more as a bug than an intended mechanic. Sub paragon still need an insane buff to it's buff for submerging to be worth it
@@crushcreate1461Honestly thats what I think too, it seems so weird to spend 500k-600k on a tower that has to sacrifice ALL of its dps to buff others, while still having a 30% less attack speed debuff attached to it.
Honestly when it comes to paragons they shouldn’t even give the heroes the 1.3x attack speed debuff…. Your hero doing 5x damage is literally nothing in the face of paragons. They could even let the 5x apply last. Give heroes any buffs you want… they’re never going to be anything close to paragons. The attack speed debuff is wild. So unnecessary.
@@EchinacaeYes it does, actually. If Quincy gets +5 damage and Sauda gets +20 damage (actual numbers), Quincy does about 20 after all the other buffs while Sauda does about 40. Sub then contributes to half of Sauda's damage, and a quarter of Quincy's.
The only thing I can think of for why TSG Adora didn’t do as good as expected, could be that the TSG Adora extra damage from the transformation might be additive damage, not base damage? Idk
Its kinda sad when you are trading fucking paragon for basically pickles on steroids. If it would multiply damage after all buffs, yea i can see it being worth it, but you are paying premium for nothingburger.
@@gugggugggugggugggugggugggu5671 lowering the priming would be great, ngl. Unless you are terminally blooning or remember perfectly the rounds, on most maps bloons will leave before it shoots even if you start it right at entrance. I do not know what is more underwhelming. This or magus.
@@ponocni1 maybe magus because i actuallt hsve to pay attention for him to do well .at least i just drop this guy and he does ok because his mainfires OK
How do you spend upwards of 1 million dollars on this paragon and there is a mode where you can get a very slight buff on the hero in its radius in exchange for the millions of pops it gets normally. Just make the buff OP it’s fine ninja kiwi
Great test video,only what i think could be in it,Is that a paragon Boots Geraldo turrets dmg And them can be more helpfull bcs you can pláce Geraldo turrets everywhere And Geraldo Will sit around the sub paragon
Ill be blunt this change is still not worth using a damaging hero in bosses.. hate to break it to peeps but hero's that arnt suports just suck in bosses given this is to much spam for them to work against
how to mostly win every expert map on EASY for farming collection event with monkey knowledge. step 1. place free dart step 2. immediately ben to the nearest lane the moab would spawn from step 3. place 2 0-0-0 sniper towers and have them both turn to 0-0-2 both set on strong step 4. make one 1-0-2 and the other 0-2-2 step 5. focus on 0-2-2 to make him a 0-2-4 and set to first step 6. turn the other sniper to 4-0-2 set to strongest step 7. win or place more to be safe total time 5 mins per run
you can do the sniper strat on most of any expert map for the collection event except 2. Dark dungeon requires 0-2-3 ace and 3 separate 2-2-0 glue gunners to the 3 seperate lanes then 4-0-2 sniper with ben at the end. For glacial trail i just put down 0-0-0 boomerangs and the 2 snipers but in different rounds so not all of them are in cased in ice but time the ice for the 4-0-2 sniper to not be in ice at round 40
Still has low to no practical use in real games, but at least it's not worthless in some cases anymore lol.
For a comparison of how the sub buff worked previously, check out the coverage here several months ago: th-cam.com/video/jHxcgzAlB6c/w-d-xo.html
1 view in 14 seconds bro fell off
sigmgmgmgmgm
"Some cases"
Sureeee...
It's actually a 6x buff, the 4 and 5 are typos
I think The only difference between TSG adora and vengeful is the look
1:10 “Normally we finish with Sauda” ISAB’s gotta chill 😂😂
touch me please i need a man 😏😔
He's gone mad!!
Wait what do y'all mea- ☠️-I know now-☠️
1:10 ISAB always putting Sauda first
you forgot to add the "it in" to that sentence
Broke rule number 5
@@goldjitsu1873?
I usually start with Adora and finish with Sauda, I bet ISAB does that too... 1:06
“Normally we finish with sauda”
But does Sauda finish with us?
@@Bonelord69no 😢
@@Bonelord69Only isab can make her finish
@@Bonelord69 we don't got the stamina for that 😢
man if only i was able to...
spoiler: a paragon gets a buff
Spoiler: you are watching a video
Spoiler: You're on TH-cam
How fucking DARE you
Spoiler: you are looking at a screen
huh i didnt think that
10:24 striker was so happy from the compliment that he disappeared 😮😮
You didn't get more rounds with TSG Adora because the increase from the transformation isn't counted as base damage, for some reason, and isn't multiplied.
The extra damage comes from a buff, you can see the icon if you click Adora
There's one interaction with Adora light ball where submerging the sub paragon during the light ball makes Adora actually surpass the sub Paragon DPS - however, the fact that Adora is basically the only hero with an ability that scales so well with sub paragon, reads more as a bug than an intended mechanic.
Sub paragon still need an insane buff to it's buff for submerging to be worth it
Honestly, they should just remove the attack speed nerf. That alone would probably make it worth running submerged.
@@crushcreate1461Honestly thats what I think too, it seems so weird to spend 500k-600k on a tower that has to sacrifice ALL of its dps to buff others, while still having a 30% less attack speed debuff attached to it.
literally like wtf @@swissbrick8780
Honestly when it comes to paragons they shouldn’t even give the heroes the 1.3x attack speed debuff…. Your hero doing 5x damage is literally nothing in the face of paragons. They could even let the 5x apply last. Give heroes any buffs you want… they’re never going to be anything close to paragons. The attack speed debuff is wild. So unnecessary.
1:06 brother's got no chill 💀💀
“Normally we finish with sauda” Classic Isab😅
9:48 strikers been on edge the longest time🗿
🗿
I forgot sub and wizard paragon even existed
Real
Because they are virtually useless lol
@@Craigalicioususa not the wizard, it can deal alot of dmg its just too micro-heavy
@IDefyDeath so, useless lol at least to me, I hate heavy Micro lol not knocking it, just not for me
@@Craigalicioususa fair lmao
Everybody talking about 1:06 , but what about 11:29
Fr fr
The ability does benefit from the buff
1:07 ye, ur defo very experienced with finishing with sauda
Yeah* you're* definitely* .*
@@stxres🤓☝️
@@brysonlewisgaming5103 Imagine being offended by a mere spelling correction. It's honestly pitiful.
@@stxresgood work grammar soldier. Someone needs to have basic spelling abilities for the rest of us.
@@stxres Cope
you can always expect ISAB to make some out of pocket joke regarding Sauda when she is mentioned
"if a hero is too ability reliant" *COUGH COUGH* rosalia
Ur like 9 months lateblmao, were you helping sauda thru her pregnancy or smth
lol
What about Brickell? She has pretty high base damage as far as I know plus water tower = stonks
Also the mines, and even the mine ability!
High base doesn’t exactly make it better with the buff being percentage based and all.
@@EchinacaeYes it does, actually. If Quincy gets +5 damage and Sauda gets +20 damage (actual numbers), Quincy does about 20 after all the other buffs while Sauda does about 40. Sub then contributes to half of Sauda's damage, and a quarter of Quincy's.
@@dragonslayerz2220 isab used no damage buffing towers.
@@EchinacaeGod village gives damage buffs (unless you're referring to brittle or glue storm)
6:38 it actually does affect abilities and the best to pair it with is adoras ball of light!
Sounds very nutty with Moab barrage
sounds like someone didn't watch the full video
@@toxicbubblegumthey watched Mackan’s video first likely because he tested that iirc
Strikers hypersonic snowballs are so satisfying
"Fans of the super buff series" = viewers of the channel.
Trust me, the paragon does affect abilities, try it with brickle mega mine
I think what isab meant to say was he normally finished ON sauda
or in, who knows he might be freaky like that 💀
The only thing I can think of for why TSG Adora didn’t do as good as expected, could be that the TSG Adora extra damage from the transformation might be additive damage, not base damage? Idk
wow benjamin buffed with the paragon was insane
i watch your videos from 5 years ago and didn't get bored you are awesome
Fr
Now imagine a world where the sunmarine paragon is actually worth it(impossible)
thank you isab for finishing with sauda
Its kinda sad when you are trading fucking paragon for basically pickles on steroids. If it would multiply damage after all buffs, yea i can see it being worth it, but you are paying premium for nothingburger.
base damage multiplier is so cringe. can they buff this things nuke btw
@@gugggugggugggugggugggugggu5671 lowering the priming would be great, ngl. Unless you are terminally blooning or remember perfectly the rounds, on most maps bloons will leave before it shoots even if you start it right at entrance. I do not know what is more underwhelming. This or magus.
@@ponocni1 maybe magus because i actuallt hsve to pay attention for him to do well .at least i just drop this guy and he does ok because his mainfires OK
@@gugggugggugggugggugggugggu5671 Sounds about right. I hope the sniper paragon wont be letdown like engi.
I love sub paragon. Sub paragon is love, Sub paragon is life
Unsubmerged energizer w sub paragon and sub commander bouta go ham 😂
to catch a paragon ( i just wanted first comment)
Do you think the buff is viable at all in a real game scenario or no?
idk why a buff from a PARAGON has to have a downside, it's a damn paragon!
Just oil up isab
If you double tap this comment you like it
1:06 👀
How do you spend upwards of 1 million dollars on this paragon and there is a mode where you can get a very slight buff on the hero in its radius in exchange for the millions of pops it gets normally. Just make the buff OP it’s fine ninja kiwi
The Sauda thirst is strong in this intro.
Not that I blame him.
Adora ball of light is pretty good now with the paragon buff
I wish i could get a buff then isab wouls notice me 😢
I wish Quincy dwal 4x moab damage on quadruple damage lvl up instead of +4.
Just imagine 3 projectipe * 4 * sub P multiplier
"Normally we finish with Sauda"
Sigh
Looks at comments.
Great! Now buff the engi. Cause it's garbage outside of it's niche of selling for bosses
Unless the Submerged buff makes your towers almost as powerful as a paragon themselves it's not worth losing the Paragon's attacks.....
Bro's edges us Quincy's run
Then ISAB: Ok
Release of BTD6: Now ISAB: Great!
Could u not also use energizer? To help the cooldowns even more then the sub paragon does
I'm genuinely happy that pretty much everyone made the same joke at the same time ISAB did. Good job everyone!
i usually end with adora
Normal sjb fans
Great test video,only what i think could be in it,Is that a paragon Boots Geraldo turrets dmg And them can be more helpfull bcs you can pláce Geraldo turrets everywhere And Geraldo Will sit around the sub paragon
Maybe Sauda can help your ball of light perform better. 😏
Does anyone know the song that plays at 9:04? I have searched far and wide but I still can't figure it out.
It's a paragon, a bloody expensive one at that. It just shouldn't have any negative buff at all
i still aint using nautic
maybe energizer and sub paragon at the same time?
so no paragon of power and does the cooldown stack?
1:07 We? Who's we? There is no we
Why dose it have any atk speed nerf anyway its like a mil $ tower
Where are the patch notes with the Bloons, I can’t seem to find it
Ill be blunt this change is still not worth using a damaging hero in bosses.. hate to break it to peeps but hero's that arnt suports just suck in bosses given this is to much spam for them to work against
Submerged isn't used but the siege core has an extremely high boss damage multiplier.
The buff is great with Benjamin 100% 😂
how to mostly win every expert map on EASY for farming collection event with monkey knowledge.
step 1. place free dart
step 2. immediately ben to the nearest lane the moab would spawn from
step 3. place 2 0-0-0 sniper towers and have them both turn to 0-0-2 both set on strong
step 4. make one 1-0-2 and the other 0-2-2
step 5. focus on 0-2-2 to make him a 0-2-4 and set to first
step 6. turn the other sniper to 4-0-2 set to strongest
step 7. win or place more to be safe
total time 5 mins per run
you can do the sniper strat on most of any expert map for the collection event except 2. Dark dungeon requires 0-2-3 ace and 3 separate 2-2-0 glue gunners to the 3 seperate lanes then 4-0-2 sniper with ben at the end. For glacial trail i just put down 0-0-0 boomerangs and the 2 snipers but in different rounds so not all of them are in cased in ice but time the ice for the 4-0-2 sniper to not be in ice at round 40
Spoiler: ISAB uses his Buff abilities to Shred the bloons like the Beefcake he is
New video idea, see how far you get get with each paragon with any tier 5 (no VTG)and a hero
Every time isab uses sauda the videos becomes 18+
The instant I've heard him talk about Sauda I knew the comments were going to be filled with the same joke
Isab is doing sauda first this time
Finally giving sauda attention 😢
No need to watch the video cause the thumbnail already answers the question
Does the paragon buff affect abilities? Guessing not
It does believe it or not.
Isab's comment section has deteriorated man
Adora’s dps jumped to 150K at 11:50
"normally we finish with sauda"
1:10 I wanna finish on sawda.. I MEAN WITH SAWDA……😅😅😅
striker jones is the best hero at edging
No superbuffed Benjamin 😔
not doing a Quincy run is a crime
Classic Striker, always on the EDGE
id watch isab finish with sauda
You got do god boosted VTSG
Abilities actually make this cracked af
heyyyy isab
what is up with the bots
Well its still just better to have the paragon attack. Deals way more dmg
Especially against bosses.
Why the hell is your monkey village golden? Or is it something I missed?
its modded, thats what applies all the buffs without needing to have the towers placed
@@tadpole9264 Thanks for the info. Now that I look back on it seems indeed logic.
"yes ISAB", they all say in unison
isab isn't hiding it no more 1:08
The paragon buff finally got a buff 🙏🙏
Sub paragon, how big was the gyat?
ISAB finishes with Sauda every day
test quincy
You were gonna finish on sauda? 🤨
How to get mod
NOTICE ME ISABBBBBBB ;sob:
SPOILER: Isab pops bloons
ENGI PARAGON BUFF WHEN????
Wdym finish with sauda🙏😭