We do actually have a subdued version of the kj sound in the English word "hue". I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head where it pops up though. If anyone can think of any I would be interested in hearing them.
This comment actually helped me figure out the proper pronunciation of the sound with what seems to be the correct mouth and tongue position so thank you so much! 😂
Yes, I initially started my norsk learning on Babbel, and they used the example of the English word "huge" to explain this sound, which I found very helpful. They also compared it to the sound of a cat hissing haha.
This is the first video which explained this well. I also speak Spanish. To me it reminds me of how certain Latin American countries say the consonant y sound. Not exactly but close.
Is this always the case for Kj sounds or not? Like the word 'kjott' I often pronounce the same way I'd say Kylling, but I'm not sure if the kj and ky sound distinctly different. Most the things I use just have a harsh 'sh' sound, so I don't think they're attempting to present the sound you depict here. Which makes it hard to know.
Good question! Kj, k in front of i and y (ki, ky) and tj are all pronounced the same way :) More or less like a lazy, long k-sound :) if you look at the sound S like a lazy T, you can similarly look at kj/ki/ky/tj as a lazy K. Does that make sense? Sk in front of i and y, skj and sj are pronounced like the English "sh".
@@Siljelinnmoss1 Thanks for the helpful reply, sorry it took so long I didn't get a notification but came back as this video was so helpful! I like the 'lazy T/K' analogy, I can definitely hear and feel the difference in where you relax the tongue for each letter/sound. I quite enjoy learning the way certain languages feel and which ways they use the muscles in your mouth. I might have to find some Norwegian songs to reinforce the sounds, as this is how I unofficially learnt Japanese as a child. Does the word bekymre also have a ky (lazy sh) sound? It's a little difficult to get pronunciation from Memrise and Duolingo due to them avoiding these sounds for ones that sound easier for English folk.
Sorry if these questions are best for private lessons. I've just seen you teach one-to-one and don't want to disrespect your time when you should get paid for it! :) I appreciate any responses you feel comfortable giving and hope to have a lesson with you at some point!
Could you be more specific? Which ones are difficult and why? Ned is not a preposition, but an adverb. There are many adverbs and prepositions ... But if there are some in particular you struggle with, si have something to work on :)
It makes me think of the Scottish “ch” sound in “loch” which is only in Scots dialect, not standard English. It’s similar but slightly more voiced, I think.
Eg er enig med han som ønsker mer eksempler. Having learnt Norwegian in Bergen I wondered how that effected this lesson, thanks for stating your personal experience .
My learning is constantly interrupted by life, but I have nearly concluded from my failures and confusion that beginning students of norsk are wasting their time trying to learn phrases, vocabulary and grammar rules. It seems like time should first be spent learning to properly pronounce the Norwegian alphabet, with emphasis on vowels... then learn letter combinations like skj, rn, ng rt, kj and more. Then using them in short words... and discovering the silent letters. There will far less stumbling around and distraction when the student finally gains confidence to try grammar, vocabulary and phrases. It's very distracting and disheartening to venture into grammar and vocabulary only to have confusion and delay result because the pronunciation needs to first be corrected with the words the student is trying to make into sentences.
We do actually have a subdued version of the kj sound in the English word "hue". I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head where it pops up though. If anyone can think of any I would be interested in hearing them.
This comment actually helped me figure out the proper pronunciation of the sound with what seems to be the correct mouth and tongue position so thank you so much! 😂
Yes, I initially started my norsk learning on Babbel, and they used the example of the English word "huge" to explain this sound, which I found very helpful. They also compared it to the sound of a cat hissing haha.
OK, this is *by far* the best explanation of this distinction. Massive kudos!
That was a very comprehensive demonstration, and I will refer back to this frequently :)
This is the first video which explained this well.
I also speak Spanish. To me it reminds me of how certain Latin American countries say the consonant y sound. Not exactly but close.
My rule of thomb: S is the good and K is the bad boy :D
Tusen takk for videon Silje ;)
That will be important because I want a kjæreste 😂
This really helps a lot! Thank you very much!
Best explanation I’ve ever heard for this difference! Takk!!!
Tusen takk for det god undervisning Silje Moss.
Is this always the case for Kj sounds or not? Like the word 'kjott' I often pronounce the same way I'd say Kylling, but I'm not sure if the kj and ky sound distinctly different. Most the things I use just have a harsh 'sh' sound, so I don't think they're attempting to present the sound you depict here. Which makes it hard to know.
Good question! Kj, k in front of i and y (ki, ky) and tj are all pronounced the same way :) More or less like a lazy, long k-sound :) if you look at the sound S like a lazy T, you can similarly look at kj/ki/ky/tj as a lazy K. Does that make sense? Sk in front of i and y, skj and sj are pronounced like the English "sh".
@@Siljelinnmoss1 Thanks for the helpful reply, sorry it took so long I didn't get a notification but came back as this video was so helpful!
I like the 'lazy T/K' analogy, I can definitely hear and feel the difference in where you relax the tongue for each letter/sound.
I quite enjoy learning the way certain languages feel and which ways they use the muscles in your mouth. I might have to find some Norwegian songs to reinforce the sounds, as this is how I unofficially learnt Japanese as a child.
Does the word bekymre also have a ky (lazy sh) sound? It's a little difficult to get pronunciation from Memrise and Duolingo due to them avoiding these sounds for ones that sound easier for English folk.
Sorry if these questions are best for private lessons. I've just seen you teach one-to-one and don't want to disrespect your time when you should get paid for it! :)
I appreciate any responses you feel comfortable giving and hope to have a lesson with you at some point!
@Silje Moss, could you make a video about the prepositions: VED, NED, På and so on....
Could you be more specific? Which ones are difficult and why? Ned is not a preposition, but an adverb. There are many adverbs and prepositions ... But if there are some in particular you struggle with, si have something to work on :)
Thank you for explaining this. I wasn't aware that there even existed a difference (I have been learning some Norwegian on Duolingo). Tusen takk!
Wha an excellent video! It helped me a lot!!
Perfekt forklart!
tusen takk! veldig hjelpsomt!
It seems like it's halfway between the English "sh" and "th".
veldig klar forklaring, tusen takk!
Det er fint!))) Jeg glemmer ofte hvordan jeg må uttale det. Tusen takk.
I've never heard the second sound!! OMG :O
A proper 👌 way of learning 👌
Thank you so much!!
It makes me think of the Scottish “ch” sound in “loch” which is only in Scots dialect, not standard English. It’s similar but slightly more voiced, I think.
What about kv?
I think more example of words will be more helpful, but this is fine
Eg er enig med han som ønsker mer eksempler. Having learnt Norwegian in Bergen I wondered how that effected this lesson, thanks for stating your personal experience .
Thanks you so much. Teacher
Tusen takk!
Du har hjulpet meg mye, men jeg må si det er ikke lett å uttale....😂😂😂
Jeg må øve mer...
Tusen takk, @Silje Moss
👍👍👍
Really thanks for this video, this sound make me crazy
can you laugh kjkjkjkjkjkj or hhhhhhh
My nickname is tj
My learning is constantly interrupted by life, but I have nearly concluded from my failures and confusion that beginning students of norsk are wasting their time trying to learn phrases, vocabulary and grammar rules.
It seems like time should first be spent learning to properly pronounce the Norwegian alphabet, with emphasis on vowels... then learn letter combinations like skj, rn, ng rt, kj and more. Then using them in short words... and discovering the silent letters. There will far less stumbling around and distraction when the student finally gains confidence to try grammar, vocabulary and phrases.
It's very distracting and disheartening to venture into grammar and vocabulary only to have confusion and delay result because the pronunciation needs to first be corrected with the words the student is trying to make into sentences.