Obviously fallen angels are stronger then a big animal. When Ungoliant the living embodiment of a black hole got drunk with the sap of the two trees of Valinor she attacked Melkor who is the literal devil incarnate. Melkor cried for help and Barlogs who are lesser angels compared to him came to save their master.
i always wondered how that happened though, there musta been a lot of power in those trees, but then again ungoliant might of been a valar or maiar as well, all we know as it existed before the world so im guessing ungoliant had to of been at least a maiar but that to me doesnt explain how it beat melkor, unless maybe the light that it drank from the tree was in someway the power of eru illuvitar or something and gave it a power boost. especially since melkor is the most powerful valar.
Combat isn’t the only way, or maybe even primary way, to define “great”. Tulkas easily beat Morgoth and even Fingolfin gave home trouble. Most dragons would lose to a Balrog but Glaurung would take out even Gothmog imo
@@Arcad1010 Glaurung took out whole kingdoms by himself and was the primary factor in breaking the siege of Angband if Gothmog was mightier then he didnt show it.
When Morgoth twisted whatever creatures into dragons, didn't he imbune them with his power? So I wonder if it depends on how much power a top tier "angel" would have to put in his creatures to overcome a second tier "angel" 🤔
Gandalf himself reveals he is a maiar when he says I am the servant of the secret fire. The secret fire being the flame imperishable which is him saying he serves eru
Dragons can do more damage to mass armies but a Balrog can do more direct damage to a certain thing. Balrogs are also harder to kill since they are not flesh in blood.
Smaug is officially the smallest and weakest dragon in Tolkiens recorded mythology. Could Smaug beat a fallen angel, who is immune to flame, can fly as well as he can, and is far more agile? highly unlikely. Ancalagon the black is literally on the OPPOSITE end of the dragon spectrum from Smaug, but he was still defeated by an elf. Admittedly, and elf wielding the light of a Silmaril, but still an elf nonetheless. If we go off of feats of strength alone, Ancalagon's fall alone destroyed an entire mountain range, which i doubt a Balrog can do, as its never been shown or implied that they have that kind of physical power. However Tolkiens mythology clearly demonstrates many times that the power and light of ones soul is the true power, which is why the Light of Valinor and the Two Trees is such a powerful thing, and explains why an elf could defeat Ancalagon. I'd say any given dragon is more physically powerful than any given Balrog... but a Balrog has a much deeper and more versatile mastery over the world around them than a dragon does - the Balrogs were maiar. they literally helped eru illuvatar create the world they live in. Dragons on the other hand were created by Morgoth who couldn't make anything of his own, so they must have been created from something else.
@@ephasm I like and agree with your comment save for one detail… Tolkien never states that Balrogs can fly. In fact… they do not have wings. And the one instance of Tolkien stating they took to the sky, is during the fall of Gondolin, and it is clearly stated that the Balrogs are mounted upon dragons. I personally do not believe Tolkien intended that they fly. Peter Jacksons visual representation of the Balrog has seemed to have permeated the general consciousness of most fans.
@@ephasm balrogs would beat any dragon but they cant fly lol. the description of them having wings are just to describe how the smoke and flame surround them it makes it look like they have wings but they cant fly.. but balrogs are basically demi gods, theyre mayar like galdalf and the wizards are. so before they took physical form they were among the valar and eru illuvitar aka god when he created everything. and even if a dragon could kill a balrog you cant actually destroy them completely, just their physical bodies as to where when a dragons killed its gone completely theyre a mortal being.
@@Rencol666 i think thats because sauron was like one of melcors (morgoth) right hand men and the balrogs were just maia that melcor corrupted during the creation of arda and sauron instead of being a big powerful being like a balrog was more like a manipulator and used subterfuge so he incarnated into a being that could change shape. which he does many times in the story.
He was also of a different order and pretty much a blacksmith where as balrogs were of the fire warrior bunch. Gandalf was light & life. So was akin to sauron being Hephaestus angel and balrogs are like Ares angels.
Sauron had a will greater than theirs and a purpose that's why he wasn't as mindless as them when corrupted. When Morgoth was defeated they fled to dark depths where unknown creatures dwell while Sauron set out to fulfill his vision for middle Earth
i always thought they were fallen Maiar not corrupted. They CHOSE to follow Morgoth ...Morgoth couldnt create so dragons where just bred creatures of earth OR if they where themselves Maiar. ancalagon, glaurung, scatha, war of wrath dragon where stronger then the Balrogs. Not all dragons could breath fire, not all could fly, not all were intelligent...it kinda seems that they power diminished over time.
theyre way more powerful than a mortal being.. if youre using that comparison because of gandalf fighting one you should know gandalf is actually in the same category of being as a balrog, a maiar. basically lesser gods. it goes eru illuvitar which is god, the valar which are like morgoth and the elven gods and one of them actually created the dwarfs, then the maiar are below them, so beings like gandalf, balrogs and sauron and were also present during the music that created the world
@@antonyjames4698 Balrogs are WAY more powerful than any mortal being. They are WAY more powerful than any Elf, as well. But they are not infallible. They can make mistakes, even fatal mistakes, giving a weaker creature an opportunity to defeat them. Tolkien's stories are full of more powerful entities being defeated by less powerful ones. Smaug killed by a mortal man, the Witch King defeated by a hobbit and a girl, even a giant troll being killed by Pippin before the Black Gate. Consider why a Maia would have been convinced by Melkor to become a Balrog in the first place: enhanced power. Balrogs would have been insanely powerful. Gandalf was NOT a particularly "powerful" Maia; his strength was primarily wisdom, not combat. Most probably, the only reason he wasn't killed by Durin's Bane was that he bore a Ring of Power, whose specialty was inspiring weary hearts. Gandalf fought DB for about 2 weeks straight. That would have been a very wearying battle. Gandalf probably didn't overpower his Balrog as much as he outlasted it.
There were other balrogs who died by getting launched off high places soo if they have wings they are about as useful for flying as penguins 😂. Balrogs are pretty much fallen angels and dragons corrupted eagles so no they aren't close balrogs are way stronger and only killed by the most oldest most powerful elves which haven't existed for ages. We have dragons killed by men lol
Balrogs are essentially Minor Gods ( Maiar) some dragons do show power grater then balrogs however they are not or semi-divine nature like the Maiar so my only explanation is that Melkor put portions of his powers into dragons Ancalagon the Black was so perfil he pushed en entire army of humans, elf’s and Ainur( mostly Maiar ) to the brink of defeat so lore wise some dragons are stronger then balrogs.
Lungthurin balrog you just made up. The only named balrogs are gothmog and durins bane. The things that you mentioned happened to this made up luththurin balrog did happen but the name of the balrog was never given. You just made up the name.
No the Name existist in Tolkiens writings, he was the one who tormented Hurin on top of the thangorodrim, but it is not known If this being was indeed a balrog or something else. But because of Christopher Tolkiens words Fans have agreed that it was a Balrog. It is also not known if this was the Balrog glorfindil faced but some Like to think so
Sandnan_der_gruene_Pilger (see above) is correct. Here is the passage in question: - "But Lungorthin Lord of Balrogs on the mouth smote him, and Morgoth smiled: ‘Nay, fear when thou feelest, when the flames lick thee. and the whistling whips thy white body and wilting flesh weal and torture!’ " The Lays of Beleriand, The Lay of the Children of Húrin, Lines 96-100 According to Christopher Tolkien, it is likely that Lungorthin is not another name for Gothmog, as the name Gothmog was mentioned in the earliest Middle-earth writings, as well as the final version of Tolkien's mythology.
I swear if someone who's not a big Lord of the rings fans is just sounds like nonsense every other three words it just sounds like you're making up sounds
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Hey man, awesome video and your narration was great!
It's AI
@Coerced Whats wrong with AI? If your voice isn't American or British I see no problem
@@BigBroKuma 'your narration was great' - it was AI
Dragons are at highest level 25 maybe a boss dragon is 27. And a final boss can be 30. But Balrogs are Level 31 minimum.
Awesomeness.
Balrog is Diablo! 99 lvl
What about Bayle? He looks like a Balrog but is a dragon
What in the world are you talking about and where did you get this information?
@@jarlwhiterun7478what book is that? I’ve only read LOTR/Hobbit/Sim
Please make the AI voice an angry chinese trying to speak english
Obviously fallen angels are stronger then a big animal. When Ungoliant the living embodiment of a black hole got drunk with the sap of the two trees of Valinor she attacked Melkor who is the literal devil incarnate. Melkor cried for help and Barlogs who are lesser angels compared to him came to save their master.
i always wondered how that happened though, there musta been a lot of power in those trees, but then again ungoliant might of been a valar or maiar as well, all we know as it existed before the world so im guessing ungoliant had to of been at least a maiar but that to me doesnt explain how it beat melkor, unless maybe the light that it drank from the tree was in someway the power of eru illuvitar or something and gave it a power boost. especially since melkor is the most powerful valar.
Combat isn’t the only way, or maybe even primary way, to define “great”. Tulkas easily beat Morgoth and even Fingolfin gave home trouble. Most dragons would lose to a Balrog but Glaurung would take out even Gothmog imo
@@FourthFloorParkournah I don’t think glaurung can beat the strongest balrog and one of the strongest maia. I agree with ancalagon.
@@Arcad1010 Glaurung took out whole kingdoms by himself and was the primary factor in breaking the siege of Angband if Gothmog was mightier then he didnt show it.
@@FourthFloorParkour doesn’t mean much since we are talking about 1v1 here. The only one beating gothmog is ancalagon.
Thanks. now can you explain the anatomy of the Bald Throgs from the Sillymarillion?
i would say Balrogs would be better at commanding dragons, however i would imagine the strongest dragon demolishes the strongest balrog.
When Morgoth twisted whatever creatures into dragons, didn't he imbune them with his power? So I wonder if it depends on how much power a top tier "angel" would have to put in his creatures to overcome a second tier "angel" 🤔
They are a type of fallen Angel
Balrogs arriving on dragons would be terrifying
Usually
Ancalagon might be an exception as Morgoth put his own power into it
Why no mention of the battle between Gothmog, chief of the Balrogs, and Ecthelion , and Glorfindel's fight with a balrog, during the Fall of Gondolin?
Try 8:09 and 9:19 - they were mentioned.
@@Torstenn-b3x Okay. Somehow I missed it.
Question: is it likely that the balrog recognized Gandolf? Or knew he was a maiar?
Gandalf himself reveals he is a maiar when he says I am the servant of the secret fire. The secret fire being the flame imperishable which is him saying he serves eru
Dragons can do more damage to mass armies but a Balrog can do more direct damage to a certain thing. Balrogs are also harder to kill since they are not flesh in blood.
I can't see ancalagon the black or Smaug being taken down by a single balrog.
Smaug is officially the smallest and weakest dragon in Tolkiens recorded mythology. Could Smaug beat a fallen angel, who is immune to flame, can fly as well as he can, and is far more agile? highly unlikely. Ancalagon the black is literally on the OPPOSITE end of the dragon spectrum from Smaug, but he was still defeated by an elf. Admittedly, and elf wielding the light of a Silmaril, but still an elf nonetheless.
If we go off of feats of strength alone, Ancalagon's fall alone destroyed an entire mountain range, which i doubt a Balrog can do, as its never been shown or implied that they have that kind of physical power. However Tolkiens mythology clearly demonstrates many times that the power and light of ones soul is the true power, which is why the Light of Valinor and the Two Trees is such a powerful thing, and explains why an elf could defeat Ancalagon.
I'd say any given dragon is more physically powerful than any given Balrog... but a Balrog has a much deeper and more versatile mastery over the world around them than a dragon does - the Balrogs were maiar. they literally helped eru illuvatar create the world they live in. Dragons on the other hand were created by Morgoth who couldn't make anything of his own, so they must have been created from something else.
@@ephasm I like and agree with your comment save for one detail… Tolkien never states that Balrogs can fly. In fact… they do not have wings. And the one instance of Tolkien stating they took to the sky, is during the fall of Gondolin, and it is clearly stated that the Balrogs are mounted upon dragons. I personally do not believe Tolkien intended that they fly. Peter Jacksons visual representation of the Balrog has seemed to have permeated the general consciousness of most fans.
@@ephasm balrogs would beat any dragon but they cant fly lol. the description of them having wings are just to describe how the smoke and flame surround them it makes it look like they have wings but they cant fly.. but balrogs are basically demi gods, theyre mayar like galdalf and the wizards are. so before they took physical form they were among the valar and eru illuvitar aka god when he created everything. and even if a dragon could kill a balrog you cant actually destroy them completely, just their physical bodies as to where when a dragons killed its gone completely theyre a mortal being.
if they are basically the same kind of corrupted spirits as Sauron, why didnt Sauron look like balrog?
Sauron could take whatever form he wanted: werewolf, blessed elf, dark lord…
@@SharedLearning737 yeah, but balrogs couldnt. So what made Sauron different, if he was "just" another corrupted maiar like balrogs?
@@Rencol666 i think thats because sauron was like one of melcors (morgoth) right hand men and the balrogs were just maia that melcor corrupted during the creation of arda and sauron instead of being a big powerful being like a balrog was more like a manipulator and used subterfuge so he incarnated into a being that could change shape. which he does many times in the story.
He was also of a different order and pretty much a blacksmith where as balrogs were of the fire warrior bunch. Gandalf was light & life.
So was akin to sauron being Hephaestus angel and balrogs are like Ares angels.
Sauron had a will greater than theirs and a purpose that's why he wasn't as mindless as them when corrupted. When Morgoth was defeated they fled to dark depths where unknown creatures dwell while Sauron set out to fulfill his vision for middle Earth
YES THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!
Sauron is also a Mayar
The real question is are balrogs sexier than dragons
Yes ... I mean ... They have a whip
Gandalf defeated a balrog. If he could defeat a dragon why didn’t he defeat Smaug himself?
You can’t have a hordes of Balrogs. There were very few in number. Possibly 3 to 7 of them at max. I think they were more powerful than most Dragons.
Did Morgoth create dragons from a Balrog?
i always thought they were fallen Maiar not corrupted. They CHOSE to follow Morgoth ...Morgoth couldnt create so dragons where just bred creatures of earth OR if they where themselves Maiar. ancalagon, glaurung, scatha, war of wrath dragon where stronger then the Balrogs. Not all dragons could breath fire, not all could fly, not all were intelligent...it kinda seems that they power diminished over time.
Depends on the dragon
Answer is No
Balrog surely can win over dragon because they are fully magical resistance and slightly more powerful than any mortal being.
theyre way more powerful than a mortal being.. if youre using that comparison because of gandalf fighting one you should know gandalf is actually in the same category of being as a balrog, a maiar. basically lesser gods. it goes eru illuvitar which is god, the valar which are like morgoth and the elven gods and one of them actually created the dwarfs, then the maiar are below them, so beings like gandalf, balrogs and sauron and were also present during the music that created the world
@@antonyjames4698 Balrogs are WAY more powerful than any mortal being. They are WAY more powerful than any Elf, as well. But they are not infallible. They can make mistakes, even fatal mistakes, giving a weaker creature an opportunity to defeat them.
Tolkien's stories are full of more powerful entities being defeated by less powerful ones. Smaug killed by a mortal man, the Witch King defeated by a hobbit and a girl, even a giant troll being killed by Pippin before the Black Gate.
Consider why a Maia would have been convinced by Melkor to become a Balrog in the first place: enhanced power. Balrogs would have been insanely powerful. Gandalf was NOT a particularly "powerful" Maia; his strength was primarily wisdom, not combat. Most probably, the only reason he wasn't killed by Durin's Bane was that he bore a Ring of Power, whose specialty was inspiring weary hearts. Gandalf fought DB for about 2 weeks straight. That would have been a very wearying battle. Gandalf probably didn't overpower his Balrog as much as he outlasted it.
yes balrogs are mayar the second strongest beings in middle earth, theyre literally right below the valar or (gods)
Sauron is a Mayar as well...
What game is that
Middle Earth Shadow Of War, worth it in my opinion.
Awesome game! I actually play it on PS5!
@@konstantinboos5045 I still have to finish the Shadow Wars and the DLC, luckily I can do that on my PS5.
Obviously, Balrog from Street Fighter 2
Obviously
Never put that together.
Japan or US version though?
Balrog is Vera's first name. M. Bison is Balrog's first name. Vega is M. Bison's first name.
@@LandonDalis1984 huh??? Who’s on first?
Only sauron or morgod or whoever and whoever it was that killed him is stronger than ankelegon
Slava Balrogs!!!👋🎉
Well to ltg they are
They are the fckn sun....
There were other balrogs who died by getting launched off high places soo if they have wings they are about as useful for flying as penguins 😂. Balrogs are pretty much fallen angels and dragons corrupted eagles so no they aren't close balrogs are way stronger and only killed by the most oldest most powerful elves which haven't existed for ages. We have dragons killed by men lol
Balrogs are essentially Minor Gods ( Maiar) some dragons do show power grater then balrogs however they are not or semi-divine nature like the Maiar so my only explanation is that Melkor put portions of his powers into dragons Ancalagon the Black was so perfil he pushed en entire army of humans, elf’s and Ainur( mostly Maiar ) to the brink of defeat so lore wise some dragons are stronger then balrogs.
From what I've listened too from the j.r token they are even....
No, Balrogs aren't stronger than great dragons like Smaug.
Smaug is the smallest dragon he isn't a great dragon
@@BigBroKuma According to JR Tolkien, Smaug is the last Great Dragon in Middle Earth.
Feeengon 😂
*Squirrel Girl defeated it!!*
You know the funny thing is I saw the clip of Gandolf fighting the Balrog last night
"The rings of power do them justce"
Hope springs eternal i guess!
Lungthurin balrog you just made up. The only named balrogs are gothmog and durins bane. The things that you mentioned happened to this made up luththurin balrog did happen but the name of the balrog was never given. You just made up the name.
He thought if he just said it really fast no one would notice
No the Name existist in Tolkiens writings, he was the one who tormented Hurin on top of the thangorodrim, but it is not known If this being was indeed a balrog or something else. But because of Christopher Tolkiens words Fans have agreed that it was a Balrog. It is also not known if this was the Balrog glorfindil faced but some Like to think so
Sandnan_der_gruene_Pilger (see above) is correct. Here is the passage in question: -
"But Lungorthin Lord of Balrogs
on the mouth smote him, and Morgoth smiled:
‘Nay, fear when thou feelest, when the flames lick thee.
and the whistling whips thy white body
and wilting flesh weal and torture!’ "
The Lays of Beleriand, The Lay of the Children of Húrin, Lines 96-100
According to Christopher Tolkien, it is likely that Lungorthin is not another name for Gothmog, as the name Gothmog was mentioned in the earliest Middle-earth writings, as well as the final version of Tolkien's mythology.
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Dumb premise, no comparison at all
Why?
Man , your voice is nice but you talk in a "whiny" way. xD
I'll answer yes they are
I swear if someone who's not a big Lord of the rings fans is just sounds like nonsense every other three words it just sounds like you're making up sounds
Man awesome video but your talking is unbearable sorry 😅