Dutch Infantry Corporal Early to Mid 1980s

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  • @brabo73
    @brabo73 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I was a CPL in 92-93, we had the same uniform, only a helmet cover in DPM and some more.
    I still wear the jacket.

  • @j.d.trenning883
    @j.d.trenning883 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'am a warrant officer in the Royal Netherlands Army and I recognise this kit. I started as a drafted soldier and we used it till 1992-1995 when the Dutch Army got their DPM uniform and a new, very bad kit and a hell of a backpack, to replace the old webbing. Luckily the first DPM kit was soon fased out and we got a replacement kit with a good backpack. Nowadays we have a new kit and a new uniform in NFP (Netherlands Fractal Pattern) in different tones NFP Green (Northwest and East Europe), NFP Tan (dessert and steppe) , NFP Multitone (combination of NFP Green and Tan for the kit, backpack and so on), NFP Blue (Navy), NFP white (Arctic) and some NFP mono colors for non operational duties as the Defence Security and Serveillance organisation (guards at all military baracks, airfields and harbors) and the Royal Netherlands Marechaussee (Military Police).
    Your video is accurate. In peace time every soldier got 2 cartridge holders with his weapon and in wartime 5 cartridge holders, with each 20 cartridges for the FAL and 30 for the UZI. The FAL and UZI are replaced by the DIEMACO C7/C8 wich are now upgraded to the COLT.
    After the respirator C3 the Dutch armed forces got the British Avon FM-12 wich is currently replaced by the Avon FM-50. Ammo pouches are nowadays back. With the DPM-kit the Dutch got back their ammo pouches.

    • @rubensteenvoorden1923
      @rubensteenvoorden1923 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I still have those pouches, did not have to return them with the new NFP

  • @wouterkraay6996
    @wouterkraay6996 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    In de jas zaten knopen om een binnenvoering in te knopen ik droeg er altijd een China iso jas onder dus werkte goed tegen de kou in de gasmasker tas zat altijd een lupa (lunchpakket )de pionier schop werkte niet werd gewisseld met de oude houten schep met stukje elastiek aan de kruis riemen die altijd werden gedragen .
    Ik heb t tenue 14 jaar aan gehad

    • @TimDutch
      @TimDutch หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bij welke eenheid/eenheden heb je gezeten?

  • @AlbertJanBloemendal
    @AlbertJanBloemendal หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny to see the stuff I used for almost two years(86/88). It was pretty good kit. I had the korporale stripes for a couple of months before being promoted to sergeant. We changed the helmet camouflage on our own costs to old US covers.
    The stripes changed somewhere in 1987. These were faseed out. We didn’t like the new ones. The old ones looked better. 😊
    They gave us three of everything. Shirt, trousers and these jackets. One for field duty. One for wearing in the barracks. And one for being used with you DT. That was the fancy suit for official duty. The last one you had no cord in de bottem side. The other two you did have an elastic cord.
    The field dutty jacket became filthy as hell. Black, stained, greasy. Then they were waterproof like a wax coat. 😂
    I served first at the commandos later in the armored infantry (YPR567). I used exactly the same kit at the special forces as I did in the regular infantry. At the commando some of the guys put a zipper in the jacket. There a lot of us changed the soles of standerd boots to vibram soles. They were lower so you had les stress on the legs. They didn’t wore down that fast and it looked very good.
    My clean jacket I gave it to my girlfriend. She went to uni in it for years. Lost it and then it was gone. 😊

  • @phdp65
    @phdp65 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Not a correction, but rather an additional detail. I was in the Dutch army in the late 80's and we were allowed to use the american helmet covers of any year of issuance or manufacturer.

    • @KI.765
      @KI.765 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The burlap did look awesome though. The Dutch DPM cover is also pretty cool

  • @bendikswalterbosma1126
    @bendikswalterbosma1126 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice to see the kit I used during the early eighties as an infantry sergeant. From july 1982 on I received my training during 6 months in Ermelo at the so called SROKI . I remember we already had the new type of folding shovel. We had a very thorough training from well qualified instructors. The kit however wasn't that good. Waterproofing had to be obtained by impregnating our webbing with so called "blenco" and there weren't any waterproof jackets or trousers. We had a raincape which we could wear but this was highly insufficient.The seperate shirt and trousers weren't very practical as well in the field. Wearing your overalls as a field garment was better but not allowed. The shoes were made of a kind of artificial leather. Cold in winter and sweaty in summertime. However I think most of us enjoyed the training and had a lot of fun in the outdoors. Basic training was spent almost entirely going on bivouacs. I always look back on the 16 months spent in the army as a very nice time.

  • @ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421
    @ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nice presentation! Lager sizes of this jacket/smock are a little harder to find, but still around. Have the 'above 180 cm' jacket myself. In colder weather, the smock could be fitted with a woolen sleeveless liner, wich would be buttoned in. The large amount of Dutch Army uniforms/equipment from the 80's is - in my view - because the Netherlands still had conscription in those years. So a lot of uniforms were needed.

    • @je710817
      @je710817 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yep ..very thin wool liner...and our isojas was warm but no ventilaton under the arm pit

    • @davidbrennan660
      @davidbrennan660 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have one in the collection

    • @diamondcreepah
      @diamondcreepah หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I got a size 88-92 (>180cm) from 1975 myself, which I use as my daily wearer along with the woolen liner belonging to it. it's a slight bit worse for wear, but sewing a button back on once every so often is a small price to pay for a jacket I can wear in any weather condition. I bought it a few years ago in a dump store for around 17 euros, so I'm not too worried about modifying it or getting it damaged either.

  • @Centurion101B3C
    @Centurion101B3C หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hm, the braces would be placed closer to the buckle at about 1 inch/2.5 cm to allow for more ease of movement and the lose end of straps would be rolled up and tied up.
    Note: My entranching tool is the true WW2 US one with the wooden stem which came with the stamping of Hayes IA 1943.

  • @jimomaha7809
    @jimomaha7809 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wore an identical uniform / equipment as a Dutch soldier in 1988. After we were issued with our webbing our sergeant told us if any off us were issued with webbing with clear brass it should be returned to stores. Only blackened brass was allowed. Also if the blackened brass was scratched, showing brass it should be returned. But indeed I saw a mix of webbing. A brother of mine was many years before me in the army and he had his (American style) kit bag at home. His M1 helmet was an exact clone of the American as mine was slightly different a bit higher dome and a plastic liner. Still face view identical. He also had the American style herringbone jacket/shirt and trousers issued. There were also differences in the issued first aid dressings. Some got a smaller first aid dressing similar to American ww2, and some got a dressing similar to the British ww2 first field dressing. both in green rubberised cover with black print instructions. These were to be put in a small pocked on the trouser leg near to the ankle. Those with the American size dressing were able to get them in, other had them to put in the right hand leg pocket. At our own exspense we could buy and wear name tags dark green strip with black lettering. I chose to buy and wear them. Some did not as they were afraid that it made you stand out for a higher rank if they needed a "volunteer".

  • @gerhardris
    @gerhardris หลายเดือนก่อน

    In 1981 I was a conscript Leopard 1 driver gunner trainee on the PRTL AA tank getting a soldier first class red chevron.
    This was my kit as well, only a different canteen.
    The camo on the helmet we had to make ourselves. It's brown shoe polish and green (Blenco ?) waterproofing stuff for the Brittish webbing style backpack.
    Indeed we got a mix of stuff. I started off with the baggy style pants of the 50ies that were much more comphy than the new pants that the commander ordered me to get in stead.
    Also the old US style spade was much better than this one I got later on.
    The kit you show was okay as long as it wasn't realy cold and wet......
    We had padded iso cloathing that stupidly needed to be worn underneath the kit you show in your excellent video. I could hardley move anymore.

  • @je710817
    @je710817 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nice ,video...i was a Cpl in 89/90 in the Dutch Infantry...the most of us had the US woodland helmcover ...

    • @RMmilitarymiscellany
      @RMmilitarymiscellany  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good to know, thank you, how were the covers acquired?

    • @keeskoppen9031
      @keeskoppen9031 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RMmilitarymiscellany in my time with the dutch airforce we bought the woodland helmet cover ourselves at an army dump in Nijmegen. Our training at LIMOS (luchtmacht instructie en militaire opleidingen school) located in Nijmegen. This was in 1992 .

    • @ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421
      @ericj.w.ruijssenaars3421 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nijmeegse Jopie! Die legerdump zit er nog steeds​ @@keeskoppen9031

    • @keeskoppen9031
      @keeskoppen9031 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @T40Xdav no we do not at LIMOS we received basic military training and than the training for or future guard duty at airforce base.
      So no infantry specific role just the base training. The woodland helmet cover we liked but wasn't supplied . The other thing people wore was old jute covered with the green face mesh.

    • @MaxSluiman
      @MaxSluiman หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@T40XdavYes they were trained as basic light Infantry. And they were equiped in that way. They would be expected to defend airfields in case of ww3.

  • @marcv338
    @marcv338 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice to see my old uniform , almost the same as the one I had in '85/'86

  • @DisdainusMaximus
    @DisdainusMaximus หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speaking as someone who is an actual paid expert at this stuff: You're not wrong. Good video and a very niche subject.

    • @KI.765
      @KI.765 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How do you get into that?

  • @sylvainvanduyl6143
    @sylvainvanduyl6143 หลายเดือนก่อน

    9:00
    The idea about the new pouches was (also) that these new ones were not to be issued to the soldiers in peace time. When war broke out, they would get them with more magazines.
    Because most soldiers were only 14 months in service, it would not pay off to give them these pouches with only one spare magazine (they would not be competent and careful enough to handle the new gear. So, they kept the new pouches in storage.

    • @juhokuusisto9339
      @juhokuusisto9339 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      How useless is your army, if they cannot be trusted to carry a full combat load? It's about training and holding people responsible of their equipment. Conscription is not a excuse, Finnish conscripts are able to do it.

    • @sylvainvanduyl6143
      @sylvainvanduyl6143 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @juhokuusisto9339
      Probably Finnish mentality in their government/high army officers was different back then...
      Survivalbilty on the battle field was estimated of about 15 minutes in the German frontline. So, why bother the practice of more ammo.
      This is not my idea, that was the idea back then. The way Finland saw their army actions and the way the Netherlands saw their actions were different. Especially the units stationed in West Germany, they know that they only had 15 minutes on the battle field. They were dead 30 minutes after the first alarm (if the nuke strike didn't wipe out the whole base first).
      I understand the importance of having more ammo (magazines and pouches) but, the times were different and the thought process was way off...
      That was basically normal for the Dutch army.

    • @juhokuusisto9339
      @juhokuusisto9339 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sylvainvanduyl6143 Well FDF artillery spotters have an estimated life expetancy of 30 seconds from first shot, but still they are fully equipped. That way of thinking "we'll do it kinda properly if we care to at all when the war comes" is not a way to prep your army. Even though the FDF was to take the full brute force of the Leningrad Military District and leftovers would flee into forest to fight guerillla warfare against them, everyone were equipped like in war. Well you might not get Valmet assault rifle, but an M39 Ukko-Pekka Mosin or a Suomi M31 smg, but you still were trained like you would get it.
      If you (military) act like nothing matters, you might as well give up before the war comes and go tend your tulips.

    • @sylvainvanduyl6143
      @sylvainvanduyl6143 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@juhokuusisto9339
      I understand that you are surprised by the way the Dutch army did their thing.
      Most people only know that they did it that way, not why. Only speculation and guessing.
      It is not a race who did it best...
      The Finnish army was a stand-alone army, they had to fight on their own, and their history told them they could hold on for a while
      The Dutch army was always different, location, size and probably also mentality. Our WW2 history isn't that of a warrior country (in the 'May-Day's' the Dutch fought surprisingly hard, but we were not prepared for war in all levels. In a few days the government surrendered.)
      But, we begin to seperate of the main topic, the Dutch had no ammo pouches from the mid 70's to the begin 90's, because the higher levels thought that was the best idea of usage of the new pouches. Why? Nobody really knows, but probably because they thought it was the best choice. The pouches would be given when a war broke out, and the real ammonium was given to the units.
      Units like the Dutch Royal Marines had their own ammonium pouches and used them every time. Their main task was different and their higher level had a different way of thinking.
      In the end, this was the way they did it.
      With Hindsight it would have been better to equip the men immediately with all the magazines, pouches and train them well with it... But on the other hand, nothing happened, so the pouches were fine where they were ✌️😉.
      In the mid 90's the Dutch army got a new gear, with 'two- magazine- holding- pouches'.
      Again, I think we both agree that this was not the solution, but I am not in for a competition 'who did it better then that the Dutch? So the Dutch can take care for their tulips'.
      That is the same as I say, 'if you have bad neighbors, why not pick up your country and move somewhere else?'
      I hope you understand.
      Have a great day.

    • @juhokuusisto9339
      @juhokuusisto9339 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sylvainvanduyl6143 Well I guess there is that culture difference in history of fighting. I'm sorry if I come out as too aggressive in this conversation, but it just baffels me so much, that one would neuter his army's training in that way, when army's only job is to prepare for war.
      I wish you a great day too.

  • @davidbrennan660
    @davidbrennan660 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Dutch Combat jack was my go to fashion dyed black Combat jacket of the nineties when out …. Needed more ( larger) inside pockets I liked the double thickness of cloth it served the winter of 90/91 well……I had a Green one with the large hood and the Liner that was just a single thickness of brown blanket material, I have no idea where the jackets went sadly….I have the hood and liner still

  • @lag2182
    @lag2182 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why dutch and Canadian rifle man are only issue with two mag?
    Like 40 round isn't enough for any firefight

    • @je710817
      @je710817 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If there was a conflict they will issue (Dutch army) extra mags...
      Our mag carrier we boght ourself in a army navy store...

    • @craigie67
      @craigie67 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Canadian issue for the FN C1 was 5 magazines. It was just rare to actualy be issued them. When we returned our FN's after the C7's arrived, there were still stacks of never opened FN mags in grease in their original cardboard boxes.

    • @lag2182
      @lag2182 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@je710817 Oh so just a peaceful time thing, got it

    • @lag2182
      @lag2182 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@craigie67 Ahh just another military thing, hiding gear in the warehouse and never use it.

    • @Robin6512
      @Robin6512 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Dutch war kit was 4 pouches with each 1 mag and 1 mag on the weapon.
      Plus a bandolier with 100 rounds.

  • @Steinstra-vj7wl
    @Steinstra-vj7wl หลายเดือนก่อน

    We still in the eighties used British WW2 webbing...absolute nightmare stuff.

  • @nroozen7523
    @nroozen7523 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A lot of words for my old military coat. Sgt. N.Roozen 63 3

  • @geertbus4644
    @geertbus4644 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not do a podcast together since i reenact dutch cold war. Have also tons of books about the uniforms.

    • @KI.765
      @KI.765 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Collabs are boring

  • @johngeen7219
    @johngeen7219 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was a corporal first class 75 to 79 44herstel cie. Great time lousy kit with an uzi as weapon.😂

    • @michaellooijs531
      @michaellooijs531 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too,12 pagncie and 103 tdcie 71 to 77 ,old equipment and vehicles.

  • @molonlabe9068
    @molonlabe9068 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was a Corporal in 11painfbat GG, during the 80's. The uniform you are demonstrating now was really bad. Poor ventilation, cold in the winter and absolutely not water resistant. About the mid 80's a totally new designed uniform came out, which was not much better than the old one!

  • @David-vi4ne
    @David-vi4ne หลายเดือนก่อน

    It wasn’t that there was no budget at the time. In the eighties the Dutch Army could field a full sized army corps including more than a thousand tanks. Why the powers that be kept us dressed like beggars I don’t know. We also carried a small pack based on the 37 pattern. The only modern item I can remember was the sleeping bag. Without sleeping mat mind you. Ammunition was never an issue. We had a full box in the APC during live fire exercises. Happy days all the same.

  • @j.lebowski2364
    @j.lebowski2364 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why a mustache?

  • @zeredbaronn
    @zeredbaronn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    @RM Military Miscellany. Good presentation, but you did ask for comments.....
    You show the canteen cover and it's not from the late seventies or early eighties. These 'plastic' looking and feeling covers were issued from 1987 onwards until the new Dutch-DPM style webbing//equipment was issued around 1994.
    Before 1987 the old P-37 style canvas-haversack was still in use, also the canvas canteen cover and the large ruckpack(ransel in Dutch). In 1987 these were replaced by the 'plastic' haversack, rucksac, canteen-cover and respirator-pouch. The belt still stayed in canvas though. Horrible stuff, If you had to do a long road-march, the sweat could not escape from your back as the material obviously could not 'breathe' and the moisture trickled all the way down into to your... You know what I mean.. Boy, was I glad to get rid of those plastic webbing-items.
    I served in the Royal Netherlands Army from 1981 until 2006. Also in 1987 we recieved a new 'US ARMY-style' helmet cover in the later Dutch DPM that did away with the net and the rubber-tire band around the helmet. But that period was not the subject of your video. In the late seventies and early eighties the hemp and the net was still in use on the old steel pot.
    Keep it up, Good job sir!

    • @rubensteenvoorden1923
      @rubensteenvoorden1923 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What units have you served in?

    • @zeredbaronn
      @zeredbaronn หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rubensteenvoorden1923 MA, Art, Inf, LMBL.

  • @nonamegiven2024
    @nonamegiven2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    using 1937 pattern shows a low regard for ur armed forces. and penny pinching from their MOD. my pov

  • @johnanita9251
    @johnanita9251 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Uniformjasje: het zuigt alle mist uit de lucht, en jij hebt het retekoud. Handige zakken, maar materiaal...matig.

  • @schneeweisser261
    @schneeweisser261 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amo pouches where available for war time. A pouch for two uzi magazines or squar ones for two FAL magazines. (in opleg.)