Hybrid makes a huge amount of sense for trucks, it's a shame that truck buyers are so traditionalist, and that automakers are reluctant to offer hybrid trucks
More info please. I feel like i just watched a commercial for your achievement. No details were shared which would help anyone adapt, adopt, or improve on what you did. Nice work on the truck.
ive often thought of doing something like this, start with a 2wd truck, pop in a 4x4 manual gearbox and transfer case, and locate the electric motor where the front driveshaft normally lives. ditch the front fuel tank, route the exhaust through there, and put the batteries where the exhaust normally would be, that way the motor + battery weight isnt all on one side of the vehicle.
I wish you would type into the video’s description box here just what exactly this truck is. No need to re-shoot anything. Just use words to describe/explain what connects to what.
Do you have a web link showing more information on the project? I'm sure we would all like to see what motor, controller, and batteries you are using, as well as a view under the hood! Looking forward to more tech videos on this project!
Agreed. I'm a student, and I'd love to put this on one of my large suburban for cruising around and getting stuff, but then having the grunt to haul things around with a simple plug and play system. give us some links I'm sure this has a lot of potential for actual real world use.
SpiceTheWolf If you are using a DC motor then you can simply use a large solid state relay driven by an arduino that controls the ssr with pwm. If you need to charge the batteries then you need a second ssr, a large inductor and a capacitor arranged as a boost converter circuit to charge the batteries (more difficult). With a 3 phase AC motor (like a tesla car) you need 3 ssr which produce the AC waveform at varying frequency (freq = speed). When the frequency is below the natural frequency for the speed the vehicle is going it acts as both a brake and charges the batteries (when the produced power goes through a rectifier and a boost converter). Another option is to have the electric motor drive the transmission and have the gas motor drive a second electric motor (DC) at a fixed RPM which produces the correct voltage to charge the batteries. If the 2 electric motors are large enough then you will still have the same power at the wheels (actually more if you consider the output of the batteries adds to the power generated by the gas motor). This allows you to get the best efficiency out of the gas motor by running it at a fixed speed.
The last 2 months of 2018 I was contemplating doing something like this, which is why I just bought a used front wheel drive SUV; I figured I could put the motor in the rear to drive the rear wheels and use it to accelerate and brake, and use the gas engine for Highway speeds, the opposite configuration of yours. I did consider your exact method for my truck, though: run the drive shaft directly through a motor, and activate the motor as needed. I'm going to check your other videos to see if you give more detail.
I'm guessing the cheapest option for DIY hybrid power (not hybrid drive) is get two to four 100ah deep cycle batteries and charge them with a plugin charger. Use a 100 amp relay to switch out the alternator. Removing the drag from the alternator will reduce the power draw and save fuel while still being able to power electrical things in your vehicle. Maybe solar power charging may provide a modest kwh or so per day if you so desired.
This is accurate. But then you start looking around and asking yourself what else is rated for "tractor duty" instead of economy and a Toyota T100 starts looking like a spaceship. It really is just an economical F150. Came with a 2.7L 4 cyl. Add an electric assist motor for a bit more torque and you are golden. BMW was experimenting with a 4cyl hybrid 7 Series in the 80s or 90s even.
@@milescarter7803 for sure. But I had Been wondering what was the cheapest and simplist DIW option, and that was to simply remove the electical load off the alternator by using batteries and recharging them with solar or grid power. I guess the next cheapest would be to use motor in place of the alternator but then you need to add much more battery kwh energy capacity and your limited to a kilowatt or two of power that you can add.
Why there is no more updates. I really like the concept and the way you talk and explain everything. Keep coming with more videos please. I am sure your channel will grow quickly.
Hopefully now the TH-cam algoritm will find me more videos like this. 😅 Been considered a parallel hybrid build like this for a while now but there's a lot of things Im not sure about. For example, will the gearbox lubrication work long term when the input shaft dont turn.
this is great. have you been able to tinker with regenerative braking at all? I like the idea of cruising at highway speeds under electric power, but it Seems to me that the biggest mpg gains are to be had in stop/go traffic when all your energy is just lost every time you hit the brakes. Is there a good way to just reverse polarity or whatever on that big electric motor to simultaneously slow down the truck and regain some charge?
You might consider ICE/Battery/Electric - a configuration used on many ferry boats. The ICE is generator only and propulsion is via electric motor only with battery bank providing stored power from shore power or generated from ICE or solar.
Aren't you worried that you overheat the electric motor by not having it between the engine and transmission for better energy (both fuel and electricity) economy?
So by putting the transmission in neutral, he’s left with a single electric speed, because the motor is cranking on the transfer shaft that connects the front and rear axles. Is that right?
trans would free spin unless im not thinking of it right but that would be super cool...or keep it in gear and have the engine be the block but i doubt it could hold max electirc motor power
@@rileykirk11 I'm often frustrated by the ingenuity of some people, crossed with their inability to explain to strangers what they're so ingenious about.
I like the series hybrid concept, but I don't quite get why the motor only works at highway speeds. The biggest efficiency gains you get with an electric car are stop and go traffic with regeneration.
Interesting that you use the electric motor only for the part electric motors are the worst at. All hybrids use electric for pullaway and town driving and petrol/diesel for cruising...
How would the electric motor stand up to driving in inclement weather conditions such as driving through rain and snow ? Anyone know the answer to this ?
Not well. years ago, there was a college professor who had a similar minimalist idea, but based around FWD cars that would replace it's rear brakes with hub motors. he stated road grease and grime were not kind to the rare earth magnets and prevented it ever entering production
Hi, Has anyone successfully attached a AC/DC motor to the main shaft pulley of a Gasoline or Diesel Engine (to convert the Vehicle into pure hybrid) in such a way that Engine's different RPM & LOAD should be 100% synced with the DC motor's RPM & Torque with a delay not more than 0.2 seconds? If yes, then can you please tell me that which motor controller model you have used? and how you have given Engine's live RPM & Load to the Motor controller's throttle? Thanks
He chose a 4x4 because, if the vehicle was 2WD then the system would require to be operated with the engine running to avoid transmission damage because transmissions are lubricated via the input shaft.
@@tonycavez if the input shaft is not rotating, the main gears don't splash the oil reservoir. If only the output shaft is spun, the rear bearing will eventually wear out through lack of lubrication. This is why we tow manual rear wheel drive cars backward, with rear wheels lifted. It is also why the driveshafts of motorhomes and larger trucks should be removed before towing.
It looks like the motor is mounted just behind the transmission with a modified, shorter driveshaft. I wouldn't go off-road in this, but it should be fine for highway driving.
Interesting, but your theory is counterintuitive to what hybrids are trying to achieve. You want to play to the strengths of each engine. You would accelerate with the Electric because it is good at storing little energy and having a wide working torque range. The Gas motor on the other hand is terrible at acceleration (it is only efficient at certain places, and only makes good torque at certain places). And great at long distance fuel economy when properly tuned to your cruise speed and load (assuming it doesn't have poor friction and pumping losses). So do what you did, only the other way around. This "works", but there is a reason every hybrid manufacturer does it the other way. Unless this is a gag, then, carry on. Also, if it's droning, design a proper exhaust.
Hybrid makes a huge amount of sense for trucks, it's a shame that truck buyers are so traditionalist, and that automakers are reluctant to offer hybrid trucks
I guess Im kind of randomly asking but do anyone know of a good place to stream newly released series online?
@Emery Marcus i use flixzone. You can find it on google :)
@@Fred-zt6gf and it'll be pricey
@@Fred-zt6gf came out in 2021 it's already out and can power a house
Oil companies have patents on hybrid systems, to make more money off oil
It's been eight years and I'm just now finding this. Wow, great work! This was done with battery chemistries of the time, very impressive.
This is why I love older cars more than newer cars
You can mod them easily
More info please. I feel like i just watched a commercial for your achievement. No details were shared which would help anyone adapt, adopt, or improve on what you did. Nice work on the truck.
ive often thought of doing something like this, start with a 2wd truck, pop in a 4x4 manual gearbox and transfer case, and locate the electric motor where the front driveshaft normally lives. ditch the front fuel tank, route the exhaust through there, and put the batteries where the exhaust normally would be, that way the motor + battery weight isnt all on one side of the vehicle.
I like the way you split the drive shaft into two. Makes tons of sense. Tailshaft to motor/ motor to diff.
I wish you would type into the video’s description box here just what exactly this truck is. No need to re-shoot anything. Just use words to describe/explain what connects to what.
Do you have a web link showing more information on the project? I'm sure we would all like to see what motor, controller, and batteries you are using, as well as a view under the hood! Looking forward to more tech videos on this project!
Agreed. I'm a student, and I'd love to put this on one of my large suburban for cruising around and getting stuff, but then having the grunt to haul things around with a simple plug and play system. give us some links I'm sure this has a lot of potential for actual real world use.
SpiceTheWolf If you are using a DC motor then you can simply use a large solid state relay driven by an arduino that controls the ssr with pwm. If you need to charge the batteries then you need a second ssr, a large inductor and a capacitor arranged as a boost converter circuit to charge the batteries (more difficult).
With a 3 phase AC motor (like a tesla car) you need 3 ssr which produce the AC waveform at varying frequency (freq = speed). When the frequency is below the natural frequency for the speed the vehicle is going it acts as both a brake and charges the batteries (when the produced power goes through a rectifier and a boost converter).
Another option is to have the electric motor drive the transmission and have the gas motor drive a second electric motor (DC) at a fixed RPM which produces the correct voltage to charge the batteries. If the 2 electric motors are large enough then you will still have the same power at the wheels (actually more if you consider the output of the batteries adds to the power generated by the gas motor). This allows you to get the best efficiency out of the gas motor by running it at a fixed speed.
The last 2 months of 2018 I was contemplating doing something like this, which is why I just bought a used front wheel drive SUV; I figured I could put the motor in the rear to drive the rear wheels and use it to accelerate and brake, and use the gas engine for Highway speeds, the opposite configuration of yours. I did consider your exact method for my truck, though: run the drive shaft directly through a motor, and activate the motor as needed.
I'm going to check your other videos to see if you give more detail.
I'm guessing the cheapest option for DIY hybrid power (not hybrid drive) is get two to four 100ah deep cycle batteries and charge them with a plugin charger. Use a 100 amp relay to switch out the alternator. Removing the drag from the alternator will reduce the power draw and save fuel while still being able to power electrical things in your vehicle. Maybe solar power charging may provide a modest kwh or so per day if you so desired.
This is accurate. But then you start looking around and asking yourself what else is rated for "tractor duty" instead of economy and a Toyota T100 starts looking like a spaceship. It really is just an economical F150. Came with a 2.7L 4 cyl. Add an electric assist motor for a bit more torque and you are golden. BMW was experimenting with a 4cyl hybrid 7 Series in the 80s or 90s even.
@@milescarter7803 for sure. But I had Been wondering what was the cheapest and simplist DIW option, and that was to simply remove the electical load off the alternator by using batteries and recharging them with solar or grid power. I guess the next cheapest would be to use motor in place of the alternator but then you need to add much more battery kwh energy capacity and your limited to a kilowatt or two of power that you can add.
Do you have more videos or details about this project, im interested on something like this for my f150. Currently 12mpg.
Performance hybrids will be the future when ultra compact -high torque electric motors meet super cap+ high density battery tech
So in the last 8 years there have only been 22,000 views? That seems realistic.
I would love to throw one of these systems in my 1982 VW diesel golf
That terrifying moment when the steering wheel anti-theft locks
Now that this video has been out for 5 years, how is this system holding up?
Why there is no more updates. I really like the concept and the way you talk and explain everything. Keep coming with more videos please. I am sure your channel will grow quickly.
Hopefully now the TH-cam algoritm will find me more videos like this. 😅
Been considered a parallel hybrid build like this for a while now but there's a lot of things Im not sure about.
For example, will the gearbox lubrication work long term when the input shaft dont turn.
So cool! Glad other people are thinking about this kinda stuff
this is great. have you been able to tinker with regenerative braking at all? I like the idea of cruising at highway speeds under electric power, but it Seems to me that the biggest mpg gains are to be had in stop/go traffic when all your energy is just lost every time you hit the brakes. Is there a good way to just reverse polarity or whatever on that big electric motor to simultaneously slow down the truck and regain some charge?
Yes please post more on how and what you did and used.
this is awesome, more info?
I want one Mum 😁👍👍👍
love the idea
I am going to call this a reverse hybrid. Because it is the opposite of other more common hybrids.
Can't wait to do this....
hello,
Thanks for this video, do you have detailed video about this project.?
If you have please upload that....thanks.
I want to attempt this or something similar
I need to see the build and how it all fits
So where can I find tutorials for this? I want to make my OBS a hybrid...
So we are basically trying to do the same thing but on our boat, Cept we want to have the ICE there as a backup.
You might consider ICE/Battery/Electric - a configuration used on many ferry boats. The ICE is generator only and propulsion is via electric motor only with battery bank providing stored power from shore power or generated from ICE or solar.
Aren't you worried that you overheat the electric motor by not having it between the engine and transmission for better energy (both fuel and electricity) economy?
So by putting the transmission in neutral, he’s left with a single electric speed, because the motor is cranking on the transfer shaft that connects the front and rear axles. Is that right?
trans would free spin unless im not thinking of it right but that would be super cool...or keep it in gear and have the engine be the block but i doubt it could hold max electirc motor power
@@rileykirk11 I'm often frustrated by the ingenuity of some people, crossed with their inability to explain to strangers what they're so ingenious about.
Is the power steering / brakes electric?
I like the series hybrid concept, but I don't quite get why the motor only works at highway speeds. The biggest efficiency gains you get with an electric car are stop and go traffic with regeneration.
he only uses it on highway but it works any time if he wants to
Probably not a big enough electric motor and battery to accelerate a big vehicle but on flat highway he can still save money with a small motor
Hey is the electric car build playlist you have good to follow to do this minimalist hybrid build?
Is there a build thread on this truck ive got a plan to do this with a c10
Interesting that you use the electric motor only for the part electric motors are the worst at. All hybrids use electric for pullaway and town driving and petrol/diesel for cruising...
How would the electric motor stand up to driving in inclement weather conditions such as driving through rain and snow ? Anyone know the answer to this ?
Not well. years ago, there was a college professor who had a similar minimalist idea, but based around FWD cars that would replace it's rear brakes with hub motors. he stated road grease and grime were not kind to the rare earth magnets and prevented it ever entering production
Motors are sealed the other dude commenting doesn't know what he's talking about. Look up rich rebuilds no weather problems if done right.
I was thinking something like this for yes fuel saving but also 4x4 if I ever go off road or need more traction
Hi,
Has anyone successfully attached a AC/DC motor to the main shaft pulley of a Gasoline or Diesel Engine (to convert the Vehicle into pure hybrid) in such a way that Engine's different RPM & LOAD should be 100% synced with the DC motor's RPM & Torque with a delay not more than 0.2 seconds?
If yes, then can you please tell me that which motor controller model you have used? and how you have given Engine's live RPM & Load to the Motor controller's throttle?
Thanks
Look up the eCharger here on TH-cam
Xl hybrids
how does it compare to the echarger? I need to add something to my 2008 tundra...
What happened ?
Why hasnt this gone anywhere?
Xlhybrids sells it for ford
Wouldn't it be more economical to have the electric accelerate the vehicle then the gas motor to cruise. Especially since it takes most of the fuel.
It would be awesome if you did the project all over in further depth with more modern batteries and motor.
...and lighter vehicle with a V6
How is the motor connected to the shaft? and How is it driven?
I would love to do something like this to my car. I wonder what motor and controller I could use to do just this!?
What do you do for Automatic transmission?
He chose a 4x4 because, if the vehicle was 2WD then the system would require to be operated with the engine running to avoid transmission damage because transmissions are lubricated via the input shaft.
no!!! on a manual trans it's lubricated by any moving gears splashing the 80 or 90 weigtht gear oil and that includes the rear shaft
@@tonycavez if the input shaft is not rotating, the main gears don't splash the oil reservoir. If only the output shaft is spun, the rear bearing will eventually wear out through lack of lubrication. This is why we tow manual rear wheel drive cars backward, with rear wheels lifted. It is also why the driveshafts of motorhomes and larger trucks should be removed before towing.
@@HemiChrysler i disagree
Are yoi guys still around?
What type of motor is that? A warp 9 or 10 or 11?
But how does the rear suspension move if the transaxle is a fixed motor?
It looks like the motor is mounted just behind the transmission with a modified, shorter driveshaft. I wouldn't go off-road in this, but it should be fine for highway driving.
cv joints , you can buy a motor with shafts on both sides and slip yokes are available to fit the electric motor , www.go-ev.com
Ok question is your truck all wheel drive
4x4
I feel ya
His reasons for doing so all make sense in my head when you reverse them. Electric is better for acceleration then the gas motor is for torque
I want to build this!
then reality hits, you wake up and it monday lol go adtemp thow
Interesting, but your theory is counterintuitive to what hybrids are trying to achieve. You want to play to the strengths of each engine.
You would accelerate with the Electric because it is good at storing little energy and having a wide working torque range.
The Gas motor on the other hand is terrible at acceleration (it is only efficient at certain places, and only makes good torque at certain places). And great at long distance fuel economy when properly tuned to your cruise speed and load (assuming it doesn't have poor friction and pumping losses).
So do what you did, only the other way around. This "works", but there is a reason every hybrid manufacturer does it the other way.
Unless this is a gag, then, carry on.
Also, if it's droning, design a proper exhaust.