Putting a raise in on the flop with a hand like 8s 7s looks so strong, puts extreme pressure on all one pair hands, plus blocks middle set. This is a key takeaway for when you don't have a thick value hand in this configuration.
If you're hero and didn't raise preflop with hands like A3, A4, A5 of hearts, diamonds, or spades - then I think those are good hands to cold 3-bet the flop with as a bluff. Or a hand like A2 suited, since you block some combo's of sets and two-pairs, and can improve to two pair.
raise the flop if they were deeper perhaps? board is sooooo dry so I hate a raise and we have soooo little value here. also, how do you feel about 8s9s as a bluff candidate? I just feel like people wont ever fold a king on this board.
if you have KJ on a flop of K72-rainbow, in between two players: first guy bets 15, you raise to 65, and the guy behind you raises to 150, you don't think most players are folding that type of hand on the flop? I'd say at least 60% of players are, maybe more.
The player pool in Vegas is insanely soft right now. It's a seasonal thing. We are just entering convention season, and it will run good through April or so. World of concrete was just here, and the things I saw were obviously only possible from folks who had never played before, or just saw poker on tv. Good times.
So what you were saying about possible collision towards the end....I had a situation a while ago like that. On the river, three handed, player 1 bets. I'm next to act and I tank a bit because I have someone behind yet to act and I'm not sure how good my hand is. I eventually call, and the other player now raises. The first player calls. I reluctantly muck; figuring that I can't be good. Then the other player mucks. I wanted to see the first player's hand, but he jammed his cards into the muck pile and collected the pot. I tried calling BS, but then the guy got all bent out of shape that I was accusing him of cheating. I said I never accused him, I just was supposed to have the right to see the hand - since there was a bet and a call - and the reason for that right was to avoid collusion.
Bart keeps saying how things "don't make sense", but I'm just never surprised by anything anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if either of these guys had turned over AK or AA.
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Wow I'm going to start putting in some 2/5 sessions at the Wynn. I generally don't play there a whole lot but this video is a pretty good advertisement.
It's funny because that is normally a really tough game lmao. Ive played there probably 40 times, and each time it was a really tough table. Can't remember 1 time the table was soft except for one Saturday night in middle of October
@@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh You're right it usually is, I generally avoid the 2-5 at Aria and Wynn and instead play at Caesars, Venetian, or Bellagio. Those games are a lot softer usually.
I have to disagree with Bart when he says cold 3-bet raising on the flop is a good play with hero's bottom set here. A lot of people in CO’s seat would fold hands like KJ, KQ, KT to a cold 3-bet. It looks weaker for hero to flat call the flop, and then bet again on the turn - than it does to put in the cold 3-bet on the flop, and bet the turn.
I understand why he wants to 3bet here because he’s trying to build the pot rapidly, but the problem with 3betting post flop is you are almost always turning your hand into a bluff. From your opponents perspective they are going to overfold way too often.
@@jamespohl-md2eq Plenty of people would open K8s from the HJ. He only went 3X with limpers in front of him. Now you may not like that play personally & that's fine. I'm not crazy about it either. The point is; can we expect that to be part of a random villains range? And the answer is clearly yes. But when HJ C-bets this flop, gets raised to more than 4X and then gets a caller on the button, it is no longer a matter of opinion. HJ should fold K8 if he is anywhere near competent.
In this setup, I would never 3-bet the flop, I prefer hero's line to Bart's. I'd rather risk getting less than their whole stacks, than risk getting not one more chip, which is a pretty likely result of a 3-bet. 3-betting makes it too easy for both opponents to correctly fold. Bart says the flop isn't draw-heavy. In fact, it is completely devoid of straight and flush draws, except of course runners. Not even a gutshot is out there. It is basically as safe a flop as Q72 rainbow, which is the only hand which can lead to the lowest possible nuts on the river, QQQ87 with the board Q8732. Arguably even safer for a set of deuces, because KK is more likely to make itself visible than QQ at some point.
This is not a showcase for amazing hands, this is supposed to be a training session to demonstrate how to extract maximum value on a dry board against two fish who are randomly clicking buttons without overplaying your hand
@ticenits1926 Yes but it was also the obv play.. Why would you raise when they're betting for you and there's no draws out there ..given folding was never an option.. So why make out like he played it expertly?
If HJ had $900 and hero just under $1000, why do you say that the effective stack is $1000 and not the $900? I thought the effective stack is the lowest stack size involved in the hand, not the hero’s stack. Please explain?
Stopped 17:40 Bart is overthinking this hand. Preflop actions shows that the table is horrible and the players in the hand are horrible. Top pair is not folding here, and while CO could have 77, other hand such as K7, K8 or KJ are more likely. Remember, this guy has been playing 50% of hands, and stacking people with two pair. HJ has either a K, or 78. I'd call, because they play makes no sense. Yes, 77 will how up here from CO, but it would be profitable to call against THOSE specific opponents. Bad players make bad decisions, and those bad decisions are often overvaluing a their hand, especially just top pair or two pair, on boards where those hands are not likely good anymore.
So this hand got weird for me. We find out the villains are just idiots, but it sounds like caller initially thought they were just a bit weak & as time went on realized they were clueless. I play mostly home games and the majority of players are between competent & very good. I've never actually played in Vegas. With these things said, I was a bit surprised Bart wants to raise flop. The PFR has C-bet and is raised just over 4X next to act with a player [hero/caller behind him in position]. A 3 bet should end the hand fairly often. Maybe hero has AK that did not 3 bet pre? Or maybe hero is the bad player and raises in this spot with KQ? I don't know, maybe I'm projecting myself into hero's spot too much. Because I'm either bluffing [and I cannot really find any semi-bluffs] or have K2+ here [really K7+, but maybe people think I'd limp K2s on button]. If I was the HJ I'd snap fold AK [not that I'd open that for 3X with limpers but you get the point]. Now even if HJ folds on flop to hero's 3 bet, what is CO supposed to call with? We find out he's an idiot with KT. But what should he have? Where is the semi-bluff? The flop is K 7 2 rainbow. What hand is hero 3 betting for value? My first thought as a villain here is that hero is repping K7+ and his bluffs [if he has any] are simply air-balls. I would have definitely raised turn & I agree with all of Bart's other analysis. Except perhaps mentioning the backdoor appearing on turn, but that was probably just force of habit. Who is supposed to have A7hh here?
Turn is never a raise Locks most of HJ's hands out of the pot that hes drawing dead with Potentially makes CO fold a bunch of hands he's drawing dead with Looks absurdly strong CO got called in 2 spots on flop and has bet big on turn again. Raising looks ridiculous. Would be an amazing way to completely blow a set vs Kx in two spots by raising turn.
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Putting a raise in on the flop with a hand like 8s 7s looks so strong, puts extreme pressure on all one pair hands, plus blocks middle set. This is a key takeaway for when you don't have a thick value hand in this configuration.
But would you actually do that if you had middle set?
If you're hero and didn't raise preflop with hands like A3, A4, A5 of hearts, diamonds, or spades - then I think those are good hands to cold 3-bet the flop with as a bluff. Or a hand like A2 suited, since you block some combo's of sets and two-pairs, and can improve to two pair.
raise the flop if they were deeper perhaps? board is sooooo dry so I hate a raise and we have soooo little value here. also, how do you feel about 8s9s as a bluff candidate? I just feel like people wont ever fold a king on this board.
if you have KJ on a flop of K72-rainbow, in between two players: first guy bets 15, you raise to 65, and the guy behind you raises to 150, you don't think most players are folding that type of hand on the flop? I'd say at least 60% of players are, maybe more.
I love how often you’re putting out these call in hand videos on YT Bart! Thank you!
You could call Bart a YT reg ;)
The title I thought was too much of a spoiler, but the hand as played really made me think “whoa, what if the title is for the CO instead!?” 😂
I thought a similar thing, but it turns out the CO didn’t know what he was doing
The player pool in Vegas is insanely soft right now. It's a seasonal thing.
We are just entering convention season, and it will run good through April or so.
World of concrete was just here, and the things I saw were obviously only possible from folks who had never played before, or just saw poker on tv.
Good times.
So what you were saying about possible collision towards the end....I had a situation a while ago like that. On the river, three handed, player 1 bets. I'm next to act and I tank a bit because I have someone behind yet to act and I'm not sure how good my hand is. I eventually call, and the other player now raises. The first player calls. I reluctantly muck; figuring that I can't be good. Then the other player mucks. I wanted to see the first player's hand, but he jammed his cards into the muck pile and collected the pot. I tried calling BS, but then the guy got all bent out of shape that I was accusing him of cheating. I said I never accused him, I just was supposed to have the right to see the hand - since there was a bet and a call - and the reason for that right was to avoid collusion.
Bart keeps saying how things "don't make sense", but I'm just never surprised by anything anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if either of these guys had turned over AK or AA.
I love Bart but I feel like I've out leveled myself because of things he's said. It really does feel like randomized show down sometimes
Why can't I find 2/5 tables like this? I can find 1/3 tables but not 2/5 tables... 😢
If 2/5 is the biggest game in the room it will be hard to find really soft games in it. If there is 5/10 and high 2/5 will be charmin soft.
Yea 2/5 is hit or miss depending on the room
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Thank you! I filmed a 1/2 session last week. Been putting it together slowly over the last couple of days. Should be out shortly!
@@toddswardenskiFantastic! Can’t wait to watch it.
Has a little hand funeral... LOVE THAT
Great analysis bart , love these videos man !
I dont know what we are thinking about on the river XD couldn't get my money in fast enough.
Wow I'm going to start putting in some 2/5 sessions at the Wynn. I generally don't play there a whole lot but this video is a pretty good advertisement.
It's funny because that is normally a really tough game lmao. Ive played there probably 40 times, and each time it was a really tough table. Can't remember 1 time the table was soft except for one Saturday night in middle of October
@@JTmakesfunofdiabled-hs9kh You're right it usually is, I generally avoid the 2-5 at Aria and Wynn and instead play at Caesars, Venetian, or Bellagio. Those games are a lot softer usually.
I have to disagree with Bart when he says cold 3-bet raising on the flop is a good play with hero's bottom set here. A lot of people in CO’s seat would fold hands like KJ, KQ, KT to a cold 3-bet. It looks weaker for hero to flat call the flop, and then bet again on the turn - than it does to put in the cold 3-bet on the flop, and bet the turn.
I understand why he wants to 3bet here because he’s trying to build the pot rapidly, but the problem with 3betting post flop is you are almost always turning your hand into a bluff. From your opponents perspective they are going to overfold way too often.
Yeah, the first thing I did not get: Who limp-folds there!?
Interesting hand. I actually HJ on K8s the whole time. K8s actually does make a lot of sense I think.
K8 should have folded the flop.
@@EllieBanks333 Yes, but it's quite obvious that his opponents aren't playing the way that they should.
@@EllieBanks333Wrong. Shoulda folded pre.
@@jamespohl-md2eq Plenty of people would open K8s from the HJ. He only went 3X with limpers in front of him. Now you may not like that play personally & that's fine. I'm not crazy about it either. The point is; can we expect that to be part of a random villains range? And the answer is clearly yes. But when HJ C-bets this flop, gets raised to more than 4X and then gets a caller on the button, it is no longer a matter of opinion. HJ should fold K8 if he is anywhere near competent.
@@EllieBanks333I didn’t say players don’t do it. I said he should have folded pre flop.
There is a difference.
I figured one of them was playing 7 Deuce
In this setup, I would never 3-bet the flop, I prefer hero's line to Bart's. I'd rather risk getting less than their whole stacks, than risk getting not one more chip, which is a pretty likely result of a 3-bet.
3-betting makes it too easy for both opponents to correctly fold. Bart says the flop isn't draw-heavy. In fact, it is completely devoid of straight and flush draws, except of course runners. Not even a gutshot is out there.
It is basically as safe a flop as Q72 rainbow, which is the only hand which can lead to the lowest possible nuts on the river, QQQ87 with the board Q8732. Arguably even safer for a set of deuces, because KK is more likely to make itself visible than QQ at some point.
Wow,he hit a set what amazing play.
That's what separates the good from the great buddy
Lol. Click bait for sure.
Anyone does rhe same rhing here..not much skill involved.
This is not a showcase for amazing hands, this is supposed to be a training session to demonstrate how to extract maximum value on a dry board against two fish who are randomly clicking buttons without overplaying your hand
@ticenits1926
Yes but it was also the obv play..
Why would you raise when they're betting for you and there's no draws out there ..given folding was never an option..
So why make out like he played it expertly?
@@Fred-rg5vw i dont think anyone is acting like this was an expert play. The original comment seemed to think it was implied.
Crazy hand for sure.
Honestly i think the 200bb buy in took a lot of the recs out of 2/5.
If HJ had $900 and hero just under $1000, why do you say that the effective stack is $1000 and not the $900? I thought the effective stack is the lowest stack size involved in the hand, not the hero’s stack. Please explain?
1000$ effective with the cutoff as he covers both of them.
Stopped 17:40
Bart is overthinking this hand.
Preflop actions shows that the table is horrible and the players in the hand are horrible.
Top pair is not folding here, and while CO could have 77, other hand such as K7, K8 or KJ are more likely. Remember, this guy has been playing 50% of hands, and stacking people with two pair.
HJ has either a K, or 78. I'd call, because they play makes no sense. Yes, 77 will how up here from CO, but it would be profitable to call against THOSE specific opponents.
Bad players make bad decisions, and those bad decisions are often overvaluing a their hand, especially just top pair or two pair, on boards where those hands are not likely good anymore.
You're way overthinking it lol 🤡
So this hand got weird for me. We find out the villains are just idiots, but it sounds like caller initially thought they were just a bit weak & as time went on realized they were clueless.
I play mostly home games and the majority of players are between competent & very good. I've never actually played in Vegas. With these things said, I was a bit surprised Bart wants to raise flop. The PFR has C-bet and is raised just over 4X next to act with a player [hero/caller behind him in position]. A 3 bet should end the hand fairly often. Maybe hero has AK that did not 3 bet pre? Or maybe hero is the bad player and raises in this spot with KQ? I don't know, maybe I'm projecting myself into hero's spot too much. Because I'm either bluffing [and I cannot really find any semi-bluffs] or have K2+ here [really K7+, but maybe people think I'd limp K2s on button]. If I was the HJ I'd snap fold AK [not that I'd open that for 3X with limpers but you get the point]. Now even if HJ folds on flop to hero's 3 bet, what is CO supposed to call with? We find out he's an idiot with KT. But what should he have? Where is the semi-bluff? The flop is K 7 2 rainbow. What hand is hero 3 betting for value? My first thought as a villain here is that hero is repping K7+ and his bluffs [if he has any] are simply air-balls.
I would have definitely raised turn & I agree with all of Bart's other analysis. Except perhaps mentioning the backdoor appearing on turn, but that was probably just force of habit. Who is supposed to have A7hh here?
CO was bluffing blocking KK and 109 with a backdoor
I thought the ln had k8 and the hj kj
I am not folding unless for some VERY Strange circumstance. 9999/10000 times I'm calling.
Collusion
The dry mouth sounds is EXTREMELY tilting.... 🤣🤣🤣
Turn is never a raise
Locks most of HJ's hands out of the pot that hes drawing dead with
Potentially makes CO fold a bunch of hands he's drawing dead with
Looks absurdly strong
CO got called in 2 spots on flop and has bet big on turn again. Raising looks ridiculous.
Would be an amazing way to completely blow a set vs Kx in two spots by raising turn.
This hand don’t make any sense to me . I would strongly feel like collusion in this hand myself .
3:11 always weak hand
Did you ever reveal what the HJ had ?
He claimed to have K8, but didn't show it.
T9h came to mind…
T9hh is never raising or calling the flop - straight up suicidal
@@austinmei9003Plenty if folks call w T9 suited.
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