In this video, gifted guru Lisa Van Gemert shares her insights on a 145+ IQ and underachievement. Interview by Femke Hovinga, Talentissimo (www.talentissimo.nl)
This one made me cry. It was like my childhood unfolding in front of eyes. The loneliness, the self defined in capabilities, the tears, the emotional depth in everything I did and the frustration upon not being understood. It followed me into adulthood too. Today I m 30 and yet don’t have a best friend or a lover. Even my parents find me out of place. I wish I found this video before. I am presently a Mensa approved 145 or more IQ owner. God bless more people like us, to whom the boon became a curse.
When I was in grade school, and first diagnosed as "gifted", I hated the word. I thought constantly that "It's not a gift, it's a curse." I wanted to be stupid like everyone else so I could be happy. 50 years of life since then have taught me better skills, but there's still a lot of support I never got because once I had the label, the school told my parents to leave me alone because smart people need to figure things out for themselves.
Probably double gifted mad hula. High IQ....high EQ (serene like Pharaoh...). Compared to God it all has not much of a meaning, according to Socrates and Lao Tse, if I remember correctly. I'm older than you. Most flabbergasting/alien to me were quite or highly intelligent people, who at the same time turned out to be (pure evil, proactive agressive) moral idiots. Narcissists/psychopaths. Take care!
Oh my goodness this is my daughter. She’s 152, maxed out the matrix on her Gifted test. Reads at an 11th grade level in the 5th grade. Her teachers often think she’s disrespectful, and she’s very social but has a hard time relating to other kids.
Imagine your teachers and everyone in your class is special needs and Down syndrome… they don’t actively disturb the class but they constantly dont understand stuff thats easy for you… all their jokes and everything they can say is just a repetition of what you already heard before.. Being smart just means a lonely existence ever..
@@TruPunx89 only until you figure out how to a) create a life that works for you and thus b) find others like you. I’m 59, profoundly gifted (not that you could tell by looking at the evidence of my outer life over the decades) and I’m just now finally hitting my stride. I’ve also learned Positive Disintegration to the point where I can evolve between strides, so that helps.
Pov: the camera person is 145+ and got bored with what she was talking about, so started to focus out of focus on her and moved to the going’s on in the background.
This resonated so much, as an adult with an IQ of 143 as well as ADHD. There's a constant battle between having potential and the difficulty of doing even basic tasks, even now. It's endless frustration. The world is designed for regular people and letting your abilities slip is frequently met with disdain.
I told my ex i needed to find out if I have ADHD, Autism or Giftedness. She was confused why. I didn't care which but i explained my rational was that my brain is like a car and i need to know what I'm working with. I never felt more heard than when you used that Metaphor. It does feel exhausting and overexitabliitles. Professionally everyone thinks you are perfect at any position but it's not the case. I just thoroughly enjoy learning. Thank you for your content.
Just finished watching the whole video, I needed to hear it! It's pretty solid advice, and overall I relate to plenty of the topics discussed I now walk away with more tools to handle perfectionism in a better way thank you very much!
The simple mentioning of imposter syndrome in relation to intelligence was enough to make this worth watching. Starting to get on a binge of these interviews, and almost feel like TH-cam's algorithm knows me a bit too well for originally recommending this channel's videos.
Nobody apologizes for being 7 feet tall and a basketball great, or for that matter a chess champion, talented artist, etc., but when it comes to IQ, people get bent out of shape, subject of ridicule, "foolish", "race science", etc. Einstein and Isaac Newton were just ordinary Joes who tried hard, had a lot of grit or privilege, Like hell.
I was tested twice, at 11(151IQ) and at 15(148IQ) I was held back twice in the 7th grade because I kept getting suspended for fighting. I stopped going to school at 14. I didn't get my GED until I was 29 because I had convinced myself that I "couldn't" pass the math section. When I finally took the test(I didn't study, I just took it in 2 days) I not only passed, I earned college credit on 2 sections, and my lowest scores were in the math but I actually scored above average in the computation portion, I just barely passed the knowledge based math questions. My whole childhood I thought I was bad at math just because I didn't like the way they taught it in school, I preferred to do it in my head my own way which meant I couldn't "show my work". Gifted kids are not made for public school. My son is 12 years old and he's been in gifted classes since 3rd grade... I never got that opportunity because I was considered a "behavior problem".
Wow. I am horrible at math but not smart either. I always missed school because my home life was insane, and I was always afraid to leave my mom so she'd let us miss. I would come back to school and we'd be working on different math formulas and I was expected to catch on when I was actually absent the days when the formula was taught. Horrible school was boring all i did was zone tf out. But! I was nice to all my teachers.
Honestly, just reading this it feels too trite and silly to suggest that’s all you need. But after having done it, I have to agree, that’s literally all you need to do.
After solving math problems really fast my teacher recommended me to get my Iq tested in grade 2, I scored 142, so not 145+ but I can still relate to basically everything she says.
@@Spladoinkal That sounds like me in high school haha. I've never been properly tested, but a mensa sample test I once took suggested I'm around 130, give or take a few points.
@@MrOoglebog That's awesome! I unfortunately tested higher than that and had a hard time making friends until close to my mid 20's. Even in the "Gifted" programs in schools it was tough because kids made school more of a competition than a place to develop proper relationships.
@@Spladoinkal Omg I was in the gifted program to and it was so hyper-competitive. To get in your IQ had to be 130+. Everyone just wanted to be the best. Like oh, you got a 100% on a test? Well someone else got a 102% for abstract thinking. Oh, you know four languages? Someone else knows 5 languages and ASL. This was one of the only gifted programs near my area so there were a lot of gifted kids. Everyone also did so many extracurriculars that to keep up I had to fill my schedule. Oh and don't even get me started on the IQ comparison. Every kid was like "oh you have an IQ of 139 that is so low, my IQ is 147." Anyone with an IQ lower than 140 was considered "dumb". It was super toxic and made no sense because everyone had a high IQ I don't know what there is to compare. (This is why I never told anyone about my IQ of 159. I didn't want to be lumped with the bratty 140's-150's. The 160s were chill though, probably cause there were only 2 of them.) This was the IQ hierarchy. Kids with an IQ of 155+ were the stuck up ones Kids with an IQ of 140-150 were the bratty annoying ones Kids with an IQ of 130-139 were considered "low IQ" or 'dumb". As you can see this was a very toxic environment where no one won and everyone lost. Oh, and what is your IQ.
Just wonder who came up with the rule that you aren't aloud to know your IQ, when the Teacher knows all the kids in the classroom's IQ but doesn't know her own IQ. And why, when a child has a 145+ IQ, the Teachers don't help them more especially when the child is BORED TO THE BONE! I was that bored kid. I'm so glad my 145+ IQ kids have a private Tutor and are homeschooled.
I completely disagree with the relation between perfectionism in the small stuff and being intellectually gifted. Very bright people are very often messy but get very focused and motivated when confronted with a very complex and abstract task. Sorting the importance of a task is one of the very first thing a gifted person will do before tackling a task. When they leave the moping part to a low IQ person that's when they sound arrogant.
What about loss of agency or self-efficacy? When the highly gifted person (1) hears that "don't be arrogant, don't be the tall poppy" message and (2) starts to see that the world's bar is set lower than theirs is... and gives up, figuring the world doesn't need or want them?
I hate the word gifted, it doesn't feel that way. I experience it as a curse. I miss feeling connected to people, I've become quite isolated. I struggle from deep depression to deep depression, with relieve of mild depression in between. Where is the gift? That I understand what is happening to me and what is causing it, is that the gift? Losing jobs because people don't know what to do with women like me, women who don't fitt into the regular boxes society have ceated to make sense of the world (for them, to me the boxes dont make sense at all) ? I am very empathic, but most people experience me as intimidating or very weird. Being myself does cause me a lot of aggression. Mostly from men. I refuse to adjust myself anymore because it took me so long to accept myself for who I am. But being myself has the price of exclusion and aggression, while I crave connection so deeply. Where is the gift of giftedness? I haven't received it yet. Will I ever?
I once spent an entire summer obsessively crafting out the "perfect" AP curriculum to self-study for (I was homeschooled at the time). I would wake up at 5AM and work until late into the night, spending hours upon hours infiltrating AP teacher communities with faux email accounts, downloading and reading through dozens of official AP syllabi which I would then Frankenstein together into hundred plus page Google documents, and frantically comparing hundreds of different course combinations which I would then apply to my own future trajectories. Overwhelmed by the literal ocean of possibilities, I ended up abandoning my study plans altogether and, since then, have never actually taken an AP test. (I'm twenty-two now, ha ha.) Perfectionism can be a bitch.
most of the video is insightful helpful for strategies for perfectionism but I can't help to think that her statements about gifted children being unable to talk to people of lesser IQ. I fit well into that figure, but time after time after time the gifted people who "can't communicate outside their intelligence range" have used their intelligence to justify not developing proper communication or cognitive empathy.
It's a balance though. I've spent my whole life focusing on fitting in and trying to understand others but it's come at a cost in relation to where I place my focus and thus what I've accomplished as it pertains to my own unique intellectual capabilities. I'm kind, funny, and sincere in my endeavours but I also often feel very lonely in a group of people as I feel restricted in what I can say and how I communicate outside of humouring others. In my interactions I've felt forced to place less focus on being understood but rather more focus on how I can understand others and thus make them feel appreciated. I'm a very hard person to pin down with any label, thus I often don't really fit in with any group of people, and despite my relative success at being affable this will still sometimes cause others to dislike me as I'm unfamiliar and intimidating to them and hence seen as a threat to their worldview. On an individual level where labels are less likely to be applied as judiciously, given the inertia present in direct interactions, I have found people can understand me more clearly but it's strongly particularized for one thing really and that's my empathy. Another part of the reason I understand her point in relation to this is because conversely when we have reunions on my mothers paternal side of the family it's the only time I've felt understood and able to really speak as myself in a large group as most everyone is smart with a few of them also being considered unusually intelligent like myself. At worst they have all become accustomed to dealing with people like me. Even in University I wasn't able to be normal and this was rather disheartening at the time. The truth I've had to convince myself of is that the greatest sense of accomplishment and joy I could find in life came from caring for others, which is to say understanding them and the stimuli affecting them, and thus helping make them happy. The side effect of this has meant I've had to repress or blunt the more critical aspects of my perception especially as it may relate to their behaviour in favour of a more methodical and slower approach that is less likely to offend or confuse. If I'm too open with my thoughts I can become overwhelming, intimidating, or even worse seen as patronizing for others to interact with given the nuance and complexity of what I will say, meaning I don't really ever feel as if anyone truly understands me or at least not as efficiently as is obviously preferred. Often people who are of contrasting viewpoints will attempt to simplify or assume my opinions as something more typical or less complex as to make it more easily refuted, this makes communication with others at times difficult and frustrating. Of course I like all people have a desire to be recognized for who I am and this feeling of sacrifice for a more affable approach to communication at times remains a heavy burden on my heart. Pursuant to my original point of balance, for me caring for others has often come at the cost of my own abilities as the time needed to truly consider the needs and perceptions of others requires a consistent state of vigilance, especially when it's in regards to those so different as it can feel like an overwhelming commitment. I've developed a coping mechanism of being very multi-faceted in relation to my behaviours and interests allowing me to display smaller aspects of my persona more fitting for particular circumstances and individuals so I can relate to others and find joy in these small aspects of myself being understood. This however I suspect makes accomplishments that relate to specialization more difficult for me to accomplish and I've become much more of a generalist as a consequence. I suppose I would say I've grown outwards as opposed to upwards as a result of this being my most direct focus. I believe it's why I have such a beautiful wife, I found a niche we can relate to each other in. Creativity and arts is a very welcome refuge for myself for this same reason of feeling understood and a part of a whole. I know this comment is quite old but the reply is for anyone who may read it and feel bad and is if they've failed at this aspect of life, as although I agree to some measure with your assessment I find it somewhat ironic as I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. Our weaknesses are often found in our strengths is what I often tell others, so being very different cognitively makes cognitive empathy inherently more difficult as empathy is the result of being able to relate. So it may be possible but our abilities require time and effort to hone and the more divergent we are the more time and effort is required to standardize ourselves and time is obviously finite. Also LOL at the very obvious signs of perfectionism present in this comment as it's a wall of text for the very reason of needing it to be a clear and concise position, however the truth is that this is laughably my attempt at paring it down to something more manageable. C'est la vie I suppose. LOL
I was a perfectionist in elementary school, but I was smart enough to figure out it's not healthy. Maybe because my friend was a perfectionist as well, and her mother (an MD) told she was worried about that. So anyway, I figured perfectionism is a form of fragility. And then I let myself break, only to be fixed later. That wasn't the optimal way to start recovering, I guarantee that. Practicing compassion would maybe have been better, as this lady suggests. And I tried that too, in high school, but I got too depressed at the futility of it. Compassion, kind of, was suggested to me as well by a peer who told me in 4th grade, with tears on her face, "not everybody is as smart as you". Problem was, I already knew that, so I thought she was dumb for saying it, and did not really catch the intuition behind it.
Yes, as a 147 was frustrated in grade school but I never doubted myself. In high school I had two types of teachers those who understood my “gifts” and those who saw me as a cocky know it all. The interesting thing is those three teachers who really liked me ‘cause they understood me and were teaching advanced, college level courses.
Funny, I have an average IQ yet I really struggled with perfectionism. The similarities end there though. How ironic that someone imperfect like me was obsessing over perfectness.
I got a real problem with the lack of data here. On the one hand, mentioning 145+ people all their problems, but not once mentioning what the numbers are: 145+ IQ is very rare, and there is a lot of debate about whether it is scientifically sound to be able to test people above 145 or 150. Statistically, we are talking about 170 kids per year per age group. Using a scientific tool to circumvent data is not really helpful.
Fear of perfectionism isn't all that good either. Perhaps encouraging intention (to develop prioritization) and the state of flow are as important. That is, both rationality and curiosity, creativity. Use, explore and develop your abilities.
My IQ is 132, moderately gifted... nothing special... and I already see myself very much in what Lisa said very much, I imagine how it is for 145-150 IQ people...
I don't think it's that much different because the sensitivity of the test simply based on patterns can it really differentiate intelligence at more than 130 well enough?
@@letsthink8245 Most IQ tests are timed based and proctored by an examiner, you have to be able to observe more patterns and make more connections in the same amount of time. Although it looks different for every individual who scores that highly, people who score near that level genuinely have different thought patterns, with the main concept being divergent thinking becoming drastically stronger around 130 iq, and rapidly going up.
Tbh I do not have trouble making friends or socializing. (I have an IQ of 159 btw) But I think the issue that gifted kids make when socializing is that they are overthinking and use there brain to much. I taught myself to sort of shut off my brain in situations were not much thinking is required.
Having recently learned how IQ is calculated, I can't help but wonder what happens to it as the gifted child ages. Wouldn't his peers eventually catch up to him?
if the child doesn't spend time cultivating their intelligence into objective knowledge, that's exactly what happens. Their peers catch up, and it often leads to some pretty powerful self hatred.
I had the opposite effect. I scored low when I was younger and 154 as an adult. Granted I was diagnosed with SLD caused by low working memory. Perhaps my brain is just wired differently and the IQ score doesn't really indicate smartness. Who knows. I definitely don't think I'm very smart.
I have a presumed IQ of 144 with spreading. I relate to everything but I also have a condition which allows me to adapt to my environment in record speed.
We have the same presumed score. It was very hard for my parents to ground me as a kid, they could take everything away from me and I would just watch movies in my head and be happy about it. I must admit, I do not adapt well to environments that hurt me physically.
@@randomnamemab yes it will decrease a lot. When you have reached adulthood your iq might still change. 10 iq points is a really enormous change. 20 would need for him to have massive brain damage.
Ye she is wrong. 145 is ~1:1000 not 1:10,000. Also HS graduates are slightly smarter than average since it is a filter that removes the bottom portion of people.
@@100colorpencils6 not on the standard WAIS-IV with a mean of 100 and SD of 15. What test are you talking about Edit: I read that too fast. 700 and ~1000 is close enough I'm not putting much effort into precision here
I will use myself as a reference as I am gifted, though I won’t say my IQ for fear of sounding pretentious. Up until my sophomore year in high school (which I am currently completing now), my grades were quite unremarkable to say the least; I hovered at around a 3.0 GPA in my freshman year. I feel like this is probably common among intellectually precious adolescents, as they suffer from disinterest in their school work, but are intelligent enough to pass exams and the like. When sophomore year came around I jumped several years ahead in math and my grades improved quite a bit.
My grades were always middlin' because I aced every test, but wouldn't do my homework. I probably would've loved school if it weren't for all the other wee beasties runnin' about. I saw school more as a place I was forced to go every weekday, at a God-awful time of day at that, and as soon as I graduated I would be so gleeful to be rid of those other creatures that I didn't like that I would probably be able to fly, free of the weight they put on me.
ADD - Inattentive type. Basically if you perceive no value in learning something your brain will refuse to. I treat memory as a finite resource, because it is. I often divert small talk into long winded philosophical conversation because I dont give a shit about empty worded small talk and I want to pick people's brains and hear their responses to certain thoughts and opinions, which sometimes aren't even my own. Almost like every conversation is a science experiment I am conducting on them, testing their and my limitations, in search of thought I have not yet experienced. Mediocre minds find this awkward. I will never remember your dog's or parent's names the first few times you tell me because I refuse to, unless I consider you a candidate for a life long friend.
They could, but statistics showed in France that the more gifted, the greater chance of higher grades in the repartition of them. We talk a lot about giftedness as it would always mean trouble. Yes there are differences, but a bunch of them do not experience it as a greater difficulty.
145 is only 1 in 700. When you think about the fact that everyone with internet access can see this video it is no surprise that there are high IQ people. Also, who is looking up gifted child videos? Gifted children, former gifted children, and parents of gifted children. If you take ina account all those this it makes sense.
I think the intellectually gifted (of which I am) take in far to much information to ever fit into "normy" tracks in life. We can easily become over stimulated or suffer utter boredom in their world. The existential planes are simply different. We will always be on the fringes of their world, and they will never enter ours...
Yes, tend to be zoned out a lot. I started to fix that though by setting up a reaction speed training thing in Call of Duty. Not only did it greatly improve my speed, but my ability to focus for long periods of time. I still have quite an imagination but can laser focus whenever I want to now. I will say also that I tend to be less in my own head now that I play tons of games though because I get to "Live out" tons of fantasy worlds. I basically get to see what's in my head in a living, breathing fictional world.
@@JackSmith-yz9il yes but in early grade school so I could test into the full time gifted classes so it was like 20 years ago. I remember two things: Having the standard questions like math, etc. but then another part where they gave you a random object like a cube and you had to describe all the uses you could think of for that cube in a short time limit. A creativity exercise I guess.
Blah, blah, blah. Either you're in pursuit of excellence or you're not. Never make the same mistake twice, and never stop optimizing. Know what you want in life and make it happen. Structure your lifestyle in a way that maximizes options. Avoid stupid people like. the. plague. Achieving financial independence is a good first goal. If you put your mind solely to this, it can easily be done by 30 (understand that any amount of money can be turned into great wealth, simply by doubling it 20 times in a row). Double the cost of a latte, 20 times. Five million dollars. What you need to focus on is HOW to double money, without much risk. I'm not going to tell you, because of the level of responsibility. But it's absolutely possible. The trick is **obsessing** over this until you have all the pieces. Know when you know. Then spend the rest of your days doing what you were made to do.
@Oak Ron Yeah, definitely can be. I'm in my mid 30's and have finally figured out stuff like where I fit in career wise and friend/spouse wise, etc. but there was a very rough period growing up where I felt lost.
@@nothingbutlove4886 natal charts yield surprising correlation, if you're willing to be honest with yourself. Just because science cannot explain it, does not mean that it isn't real, or any less of a science. As a matter of fact there is no such thing is objective fact, studies show, only piles and piles of evidence.
This one made me cry. It was like my childhood unfolding in front of eyes. The loneliness, the self defined in capabilities, the tears, the emotional depth in everything I did and the frustration upon not being understood. It followed me into adulthood too. Today I m 30 and yet don’t have a best friend or a lover. Even my parents find me out of place. I wish I found this video before. I am presently a Mensa approved 145 or more IQ owner. God bless more people like us, to whom the boon became a curse.
When I was in grade school, and first diagnosed as "gifted", I hated the word. I thought constantly that "It's not a gift, it's a curse." I wanted to be stupid like everyone else so I could be happy.
50 years of life since then have taught me better skills, but there's still a lot of support I never got because once I had the label, the school told my parents to leave me alone because smart people need to figure things out for themselves.
Probably double gifted mad hula. High IQ....high EQ (serene like Pharaoh...).
Compared to God it all has not much of a meaning, according to Socrates and Lao Tse, if I remember correctly.
I'm older than you. Most flabbergasting/alien to me were quite or highly intelligent people, who at the same time turned out to be (pure evil, proactive agressive) moral idiots. Narcissists/psychopaths. Take care!
@@MartinMCade Nice chair
your iq is so high you can't figure out how to be happy. lmao
It’s only a curse if you don’t know how to use it
Oh my goodness this is my daughter. She’s 152, maxed out the matrix on her Gifted test. Reads at an 11th grade level in the 5th grade. Her teachers often think she’s disrespectful, and she’s very social but has a hard time relating to other kids.
Imagine your teachers and everyone in your class is special needs and Down syndrome… they don’t actively disturb the class but they constantly dont understand stuff thats easy for you… all their jokes and everything they can say is just a repetition of what you already heard before..
Being smart just means a lonely existence ever..
@@TruPunx89 only until you figure out how to a) create a life that works for you and thus b) find others like you. I’m 59, profoundly gifted (not that you could tell by looking at the evidence of my outer life over the decades) and I’m just now finally hitting my stride. I’ve also learned Positive Disintegration to the point where I can evolve between strides, so that helps.
Pov: the camera person is 145+ and got bored with what she was talking about, so started to focus out of focus on her and moved to the going’s on in the background.
Seeking perfection is what a genius does
the excessive thoughts about 'how things could be' resonates a lot for me.
This resonated so much, as an adult with an IQ of 143 as well as ADHD.
There's a constant battle between having potential and the difficulty of doing even basic tasks, even now.
It's endless frustration. The world is designed for regular people and letting your abilities slip is frequently met with disdain.
This was lovely. Thank you!
I told my ex i needed to find out if I have ADHD, Autism or Giftedness. She was confused why. I didn't care which but i explained my rational was that my brain is like a car and i need to know what I'm working with. I never felt more heard than when you used that Metaphor. It does feel exhausting and overexitabliitles. Professionally everyone thinks you are perfect at any position but it's not the case. I just thoroughly enjoy learning. Thank you for your content.
*Wait TH-cam recommended this to me... Must be a good sign!*
Just finished watching the whole video, I needed to hear it! It's pretty solid advice, and overall I relate to plenty of the topics discussed I now walk away with more tools to handle perfectionism in a better way thank you very much!
The simple mentioning of imposter syndrome in relation to intelligence was enough to make this worth watching.
Starting to get on a binge of these interviews, and almost feel like TH-cam's algorithm knows me a bit too well for originally recommending this channel's videos.
I scored an A- on my IQ test, which is a 90. I almost got 100, a perfect score.
Good for you, ive always been a c student with average score of 69. I wish i had a-
Well done bro
i managed to know all the answers and purposefully got to 0 IQ
Nobody apologizes for being 7 feet tall and a basketball great, or for that matter a chess champion, talented artist, etc., but when it comes to IQ, people get bent out of shape, subject of ridicule, "foolish", "race science", etc. Einstein and Isaac Newton were just ordinary Joes who tried hard, had a lot of grit or privilege, Like hell.
Lol
I was tested twice, at 11(151IQ) and at 15(148IQ) I was held back twice in the 7th grade because I kept getting suspended for fighting. I stopped going to school at 14. I didn't get my GED until I was 29 because I had convinced myself that I "couldn't" pass the math section. When I finally took the test(I didn't study, I just took it in 2 days) I not only passed, I earned college credit on 2 sections, and my lowest scores were in the math but I actually scored above average in the computation portion, I just barely passed the knowledge based math questions. My whole childhood I thought I was bad at math just because I didn't like the way they taught it in school, I preferred to do it in my head my own way which meant I couldn't "show my work". Gifted kids are not made for public school. My son is 12 years old and he's been in gifted classes since 3rd grade... I never got that opportunity because I was considered a "behavior problem".
Wow. I am horrible at math but not smart either. I always missed school because my home life was insane, and I was always afraid to leave my mom so she'd let us miss. I would come back to school and we'd be working on different math formulas and I was expected to catch on when I was actually absent the days when the formula was taught. Horrible school was boring all i did was zone tf out. But! I was nice to all my teachers.
This lady is cutting through my soul. Holy cow
Wow. Thank you. This explained so much for me.
cultivating self-awareness is all you need to do.
Honestly, just reading this it feels too trite and silly to suggest that’s all you need. But after having done it, I have to agree, that’s literally all you need to do.
After solving math problems really fast my teacher recommended me to get my Iq tested in grade 2, I scored 142, so not 145+ but I can still relate to basically everything she says.
Idk what my iq is generally everything i actually put in effort into i do good on i did some weird iq test and got 127
@@onedollasnake 127 is actually perfect because you can still hang with the higher IQ people but can also still think like the "Average" person.
@@Spladoinkal That sounds like me in high school haha. I've never been properly tested, but a mensa sample test I once took suggested I'm around 130, give or take a few points.
@@MrOoglebog That's awesome! I unfortunately tested higher than that and had a hard time making friends until close to my mid 20's. Even in the "Gifted" programs in schools it was tough because kids made school more of a competition than a place to develop proper relationships.
@@Spladoinkal Omg I was in the gifted program to and it was so hyper-competitive. To get in your IQ had to be 130+. Everyone just wanted to be the best. Like oh, you got a 100% on a test? Well someone else got a 102% for abstract thinking. Oh, you know four languages? Someone else knows 5 languages and ASL. This was one of the only gifted programs near my area so there were a lot of gifted kids. Everyone also did so many extracurriculars that to keep up I had to fill my schedule. Oh and don't even get me started on the IQ comparison. Every kid was like "oh you have an IQ of 139 that is so low, my IQ is 147." Anyone with an IQ lower than 140 was considered "dumb". It was super toxic and made no sense because everyone had a high IQ I don't know what there is to compare. (This is why I never told anyone about my IQ of 159. I didn't want to be lumped with the bratty 140's-150's. The 160s were chill though, probably cause there were only 2 of them.)
This was the IQ hierarchy.
Kids with an IQ of 155+ were the stuck up ones
Kids with an IQ of 140-150 were the bratty annoying ones
Kids with an IQ of 130-139 were considered "low IQ" or 'dumb".
As you can see this was a very toxic environment where no one won and everyone lost. Oh, and what is your IQ.
Great video! I'm not at 145+ but I can relate to this. I'll give the method of prioritizing tasks a shot.
Agree 1000%. Every teacher be aware of this...
Just wonder who came up with the rule that you aren't aloud to know your IQ, when the Teacher knows all the kids in the classroom's IQ but doesn't know her own IQ. And why, when a child has a 145+ IQ, the Teachers don't help them more especially when the child is BORED TO THE BONE! I was that bored kid. I'm so glad my 145+ IQ kids have a private Tutor and are homeschooled.
I completely disagree with the relation between perfectionism in the small stuff and being intellectually gifted. Very bright people are very often messy but get very focused and motivated when confronted with a very complex and abstract task. Sorting the importance of a task is one of the very first thing a gifted person will do before tackling a task. When they leave the moping part to a low IQ person that's when they sound arrogant.
What about loss of agency or self-efficacy? When the highly gifted person (1) hears that "don't be arrogant, don't be the tall poppy" message and (2) starts to see that the world's bar is set lower than theirs is... and gives up, figuring the world doesn't need or want them?
I hate the word gifted, it doesn't feel that way. I experience it as a curse. I miss feeling connected to people, I've become quite isolated. I struggle from deep depression to deep depression, with relieve of mild depression in between. Where is the gift? That I understand what is happening to me and what is causing it, is that the gift? Losing jobs because people don't know what to do with women like me, women who don't fitt into the regular boxes society have ceated to make sense of the world (for them, to me the boxes dont make sense at all) ? I am very empathic, but most people experience me as intimidating or very weird. Being myself does cause me a lot of aggression. Mostly from men. I refuse to adjust myself anymore because it took me so long to accept myself for who I am. But being myself has the price of exclusion and aggression, while I crave connection so deeply. Where is the gift of giftedness? I haven't received it yet. Will I ever?
I once spent an entire summer obsessively crafting out the "perfect" AP curriculum to self-study for (I was homeschooled at the time). I would wake up at 5AM and work until late into the night, spending hours upon hours infiltrating AP teacher communities with faux email accounts, downloading and reading through dozens of official AP syllabi which I would then Frankenstein together into hundred plus page Google documents, and frantically comparing hundreds of different course combinations which I would then apply to my own future trajectories. Overwhelmed by the literal ocean of possibilities, I ended up abandoning my study plans altogether and, since then, have never actually taken an AP test. (I'm twenty-two now, ha ha.)
Perfectionism can be a bitch.
This one hit me really hard :(.
most of the video is insightful helpful for strategies for perfectionism but I can't help to think that her statements about gifted children being unable to talk to people of lesser IQ. I fit well into that figure, but time after time after time the gifted people who "can't communicate outside their intelligence range" have used their intelligence to justify not developing proper communication or cognitive empathy.
It's a balance though. I've spent my whole life focusing on fitting in and trying to understand others but it's come at a cost in relation to where I place my focus and thus what I've accomplished as it pertains to my own unique intellectual capabilities. I'm kind, funny, and sincere in my endeavours but I also often feel very lonely in a group of people as I feel restricted in what I can say and how I communicate outside of humouring others. In my interactions I've felt forced to place less focus on being understood but rather more focus on how I can understand others and thus make them feel appreciated. I'm a very hard person to pin down with any label, thus I often don't really fit in with any group of people, and despite my relative success at being affable this will still sometimes cause others to dislike me as I'm unfamiliar and intimidating to them and hence seen as a threat to their worldview. On an individual level where labels are less likely to be applied as judiciously, given the inertia present in direct interactions, I have found people can understand me more clearly but it's strongly particularized for one thing really and that's my empathy. Another part of the reason I understand her point in relation to this is because conversely when we have reunions on my mothers paternal side of the family it's the only time I've felt understood and able to really speak as myself in a large group as most everyone is smart with a few of them also being considered unusually intelligent like myself. At worst they have all become accustomed to dealing with people like me. Even in University I wasn't able to be normal and this was rather disheartening at the time.
The truth I've had to convince myself of is that the greatest sense of accomplishment and joy I could find in life came from caring for others, which is to say understanding them and the stimuli affecting them, and thus helping make them happy. The side effect of this has meant I've had to repress or blunt the more critical aspects of my perception especially as it may relate to their behaviour in favour of a more methodical and slower approach that is less likely to offend or confuse. If I'm too open with my thoughts I can become overwhelming, intimidating, or even worse seen as patronizing for others to interact with given the nuance and complexity of what I will say, meaning I don't really ever feel as if anyone truly understands me or at least not as efficiently as is obviously preferred. Often people who are of contrasting viewpoints will attempt to simplify or assume my opinions as something more typical or less complex as to make it more easily refuted, this makes communication with others at times difficult and frustrating. Of course I like all people have a desire to be recognized for who I am and this feeling of sacrifice for a more affable approach to communication at times remains a heavy burden on my heart.
Pursuant to my original point of balance, for me caring for others has often come at the cost of my own abilities as the time needed to truly consider the needs and perceptions of others requires a consistent state of vigilance, especially when it's in regards to those so different as it can feel like an overwhelming commitment. I've developed a coping mechanism of being very multi-faceted in relation to my behaviours and interests allowing me to display smaller aspects of my persona more fitting for particular circumstances and individuals so I can relate to others and find joy in these small aspects of myself being understood. This however I suspect makes accomplishments that relate to specialization more difficult for me to accomplish and I've become much more of a generalist as a consequence. I suppose I would say I've grown outwards as opposed to upwards as a result of this being my most direct focus. I believe it's why I have such a beautiful wife, I found a niche we can relate to each other in. Creativity and arts is a very welcome refuge for myself for this same reason of feeling understood and a part of a whole.
I know this comment is quite old but the reply is for anyone who may read it and feel bad and is if they've failed at this aspect of life, as although I agree to some measure with your assessment I find it somewhat ironic as I don't think it's as easy as you make it seem. Our weaknesses are often found in our strengths is what I often tell others, so being very different cognitively makes cognitive empathy inherently more difficult as empathy is the result of being able to relate. So it may be possible but our abilities require time and effort to hone and the more divergent we are the more time and effort is required to standardize ourselves and time is obviously finite. Also LOL at the very obvious signs of perfectionism present in this comment as it's a wall of text for the very reason of needing it to be a clear and concise position, however the truth is that this is laughably my attempt at paring it down to something more manageable. C'est la vie I suppose. LOL
@@KeMiZe44I appreciate your well thought out comment so much!
Thank you for your thoughts. Pride is not confidence.
PEACE
I was a perfectionist in elementary school, but I was smart enough to figure out it's not healthy. Maybe because my friend was a perfectionist as well, and her mother (an MD) told she was worried about that. So anyway, I figured perfectionism is a form of fragility. And then I let myself break, only to be fixed later. That wasn't the optimal way to start recovering, I guarantee that. Practicing compassion would maybe have been better, as this lady suggests. And I tried that too, in high school, but I got too depressed at the futility of it. Compassion, kind of, was suggested to me as well by a peer who told me in 4th grade, with tears on her face, "not everybody is as smart as you". Problem was, I already knew that, so I thought she was dumb for saying it, and did not really catch the intuition behind it.
Among my peers in Computer Science graduate school, I was slightly below average. I wonder what my IQ is.
Yes, as a 147 was frustrated in grade school but I never doubted myself. In high school I had two types of teachers those who understood my “gifts” and those who saw me as a cocky know it all. The interesting thing is those three teachers who really liked me ‘cause they understood me and were teaching advanced, college level courses.
I've started on art projects and couldn't complete them. I'm very perfecfectionist myself.
Great. PURSUE EXCELLENCE, SON. Don't let some worthless B on the internet tell you not to.
Funny, I have an average IQ yet I really struggled with perfectionism. The similarities end there though. How ironic that someone imperfect like me was obsessing over perfectness.
I feel like crying. My life in a nutshell.
I got a real problem with the lack of data here. On the one hand, mentioning 145+ people all their problems, but not once mentioning what the numbers are: 145+ IQ is very rare, and there is a lot of debate about whether it is scientifically sound to be able to test people above 145 or 150. Statistically, we are talking about 170 kids per year per age group.
Using a scientific tool to circumvent data is not really helpful.
I love how every person in this comment section has an iq of 120+.... just because you hate school doesn't mean your intelligence is above average.
Fear of perfectionism isn't all that good either. Perhaps encouraging intention (to develop prioritization) and the state of flow are as important. That is, both rationality and curiosity, creativity. Use, explore and develop your abilities.
My IQ is 132, moderately gifted... nothing special... and I already see myself very much in what Lisa said very much, I imagine how it is for 145-150 IQ people...
Still within the 2%, so I would say that is quite special, but obviously there are people who are way smarter than you and me
I don't think it's that much different because the sensitivity of the test simply based on patterns can it really differentiate intelligence at more than 130 well enough?
@@letsthink8245 Most IQ tests are timed based and proctored by an examiner, you have to be able to observe more patterns and make more connections in the same amount of time. Although it looks different for every individual who scores that highly, people who score near that level genuinely have different thought patterns, with the main concept being divergent thinking becoming drastically stronger around 130 iq, and rapidly going up.
Tbh I do not have trouble making friends or socializing. (I have an IQ of 159 btw) But I think the issue that gifted kids make when socializing is that they are overthinking and use there brain to much. I taught myself to sort of shut off my brain in situations were not much thinking is required.
@@whimsicalexistance excellent point!
I 'm very high intelligence
150+ represent
Having recently learned how IQ is calculated, I can't help but wonder what happens to it as the gifted child ages. Wouldn't his peers eventually catch up to him?
if the child doesn't spend time cultivating their intelligence into objective knowledge, that's exactly what happens. Their peers catch up, and it often leads to some pretty powerful self hatred.
I had the opposite effect. I scored low when I was younger and 154 as an adult. Granted I was diagnosed with SLD caused by low working memory. Perhaps my brain is just wired differently and the IQ score doesn't really indicate smartness. Who knows. I definitely don't think I'm very smart.
If they do enough crystal meth and heroine, yes!
@@realPidge
If you were smart I'd imagine you'd share which test you took, and what your SD is. Not a worthless triple digit number.
@@toastyshrimp1882
How would you know? Are you gifted? Don't mean your birthday or Christmas time either.
I have a presumed IQ of 144 with spreading. I relate to everything but I also have a condition which allows me to adapt to my environment in record speed.
We have the same presumed score. It was very hard for my parents to ground me as a kid, they could take everything away from me and I would just watch movies in my head and be happy about it. I must admit, I do not adapt well to environments that hurt me physically.
Getting a basic job, I had to learn to, hit and go with profression👍
I was 137 when I got tested at 19. Might not be the same anymore, heavy drinking probably knocked it down 10-20 points lol.
That's not something to be proud of
That's not how it work. Not this much at least
@@kloic9334 why not? Heavy drinking will decrease your cognitive ability by alot
@@kloic9334that’s absolutely how it works depending on the severity of brain damage. Although to be fair 20 point drop sounds too drastic.
@@randomnamemab yes it will decrease a lot. When you have reached adulthood your iq might still change. 10 iq points is a really enormous change. 20 would need for him to have massive brain damage.
i have a 14+ iq as well😤
I scored a 69 on my IQ test. Is this good?
145 IQis at 0.15% or 1.5 per 1000 idividual. Not 1/10 000.
My rinky dink 500 person hs had at least 3 ppl 140+ in my graduating class
Ye she is wrong. 145 is ~1:1000 not 1:10,000. Also HS graduates are slightly smarter than average since it is a filter that removes the bottom portion of people.
@@MrClaysta 140 is only 1 in about 200 145 is only about 1 in 700.
@@100colorpencils6 not on the standard WAIS-IV with a mean of 100 and SD of 15. What test are you talking about
Edit: I read that too fast. 700 and ~1000 is close enough I'm not putting much effort into precision here
WHY IS SHE SPITTING STRAIGHT FACTS?!
Do all of these kids with this level of iq have a special talent or are some never discovered to be this special
Can a kid with this level of iq do terrible in school, through out all of the years because their simply not interested?
I will use myself as a reference as I am gifted, though I won’t say my IQ for fear of sounding pretentious.
Up until my sophomore year in high school (which I am currently completing now), my grades were quite unremarkable to say the least; I hovered at around a 3.0 GPA in my freshman year. I feel like this is probably common among intellectually precious adolescents, as they suffer from disinterest in their school work, but are intelligent enough to pass exams and the like. When sophomore year came around I jumped several years ahead in math and my grades improved quite a bit.
My grades were always middlin' because I aced every test, but wouldn't do my homework. I probably would've loved school if it weren't for all the other wee beasties runnin' about. I saw school more as a place I was forced to go every weekday, at a God-awful time of day at that, and as soon as I graduated I would be so gleeful to be rid of those other creatures that I didn't like that I would probably be able to fly, free of the weight they put on me.
Nope, unless they just skipped class to pursue something more interesting.
ADD - Inattentive type.
Basically if you perceive no value in learning something your brain will refuse to. I treat memory as a finite resource, because it is. I often divert small talk into long winded philosophical conversation because I dont give a shit about empty worded small talk and I want to pick people's brains and hear their responses to certain thoughts and opinions, which sometimes aren't even my own. Almost like every conversation is a science experiment I am conducting on them, testing their and my limitations, in search of thought I have not yet experienced. Mediocre minds find this awkward. I will never remember your dog's or parent's names the first few times you tell me because I refuse to, unless I consider you a candidate for a life long friend.
They could, but statistics showed in France that the more gifted, the greater chance of higher grades in the repartition of them. We talk a lot about giftedness as it would always mean trouble. Yes there are differences, but a bunch of them do not experience it as a greater difficulty.
I've scored in that range !
Suddenly everyone in the comment section has an IQ above 145
This video is only recommended to the finest youtube commenters. The algorithm knows.
Its in the ballpark of 1 in 1000 so not amazingly rare.
145 is only 1 in 700. When you think about the fact that everyone with internet access can see this video it is no surprise that there are high IQ people. Also, who is looking up gifted child videos? Gifted children, former gifted children, and parents of gifted children. If you take ina account all those this it makes sense.
I think the intellectually gifted (of which I am) take in far to much information to ever fit into "normy" tracks in life. We can easily become over stimulated or suffer utter boredom in their world. The existential planes are simply different. We will always be on the fringes of their world, and they will never enter ours...
I've on the spectrum and I have a 144 verbal IQ though my IQ in the aggregate might not be so high
Oh wait until you are 160+
Do people with this level of iq zone out a lot? I feel like they would lol
Yes, tend to be zoned out a lot. I started to fix that though by setting up a reaction speed training thing in Call of Duty. Not only did it greatly improve my speed, but my ability to focus for long periods of time. I still have quite an imagination but can laser focus whenever I want to now. I will say also that I tend to be less in my own head now that I play tons of games though because I get to "Live out" tons of fantasy worlds. I basically get to see what's in my head in a living, breathing fictional world.
@@Spladoinkal interesting, also another question did you take a real supervised iq test and if so what was it like?
@@JackSmith-yz9il yes but in early grade school so I could test into the full time gifted classes so it was like 20 years ago. I remember two things: Having the standard questions like math, etc. but then another part where they gave you a random object like a cube and you had to describe all the uses you could think of for that cube in a short time limit. A creativity exercise I guess.
Zoned out a lot. Get bored very easily.
Yes. Keeping focus is hard.
:'(
Blah, blah, blah. Either you're in pursuit of excellence or you're not. Never make the same mistake twice, and never stop optimizing. Know what you want in life and make it happen. Structure your lifestyle in a way that maximizes options. Avoid stupid people like. the. plague.
Achieving financial independence is a good first goal. If you put your mind solely to this, it can easily be done by 30 (understand that any amount of money can be turned into great wealth, simply by doubling it 20 times in a row). Double the cost of a latte, 20 times. Five million dollars. What you need to focus on is HOW to double money, without much risk. I'm not going to tell you, because of the level of responsibility. But it's absolutely possible. The trick is **obsessing** over this until you have all the pieces. Know when you know.
Then spend the rest of your days doing what you were made to do.
Are you sure you aren't a gambler?
“Gifted” sounds so corny - just say very intelligent or something - “gifted” seems like such an archaic way of saying someone is intelligent
@Oak Ron everything I hear about high intelligence suggests it’s both a blessing and a curse so saying it’s a gift seems inaccurate
Yeah, I got my Brain the hard way! In a race!
@Oak Ron Definitely as much of a curse as a gift
@Oak Ron Yeah, definitely can be. I'm in my mid 30's and have finally figured out stuff like where I fit in career wise and friend/spouse wise, etc. but there was a very rough period growing up where I felt lost.
This sounds more like astrology than real science.
to some people, this sounds like life experience
Astrology is the oldest science
@@jacekjacenty Okay, I agree that this is good stuff for some self-help community. But not real science based on empirical data.
@@justafighter1346 Astrology is no science at all
@@nothingbutlove4886 natal charts yield surprising correlation, if you're willing to be honest with yourself.
Just because science cannot explain it, does not mean that it isn't real, or any less of a science.
As a matter of fact there is no such thing is objective fact, studies show, only piles and piles of evidence.
How would you like to live an a planet inhabited by chimpanzees?
im sorry to break it to you but the planet is inhabited by chimpanzees regardless of your intelligence
Sounds just like BS!
Could you elaborate on what you think is "BS" here?