I saw a video online in Yakima of a police gang unit officer telling a person don’t move or I will shoot you with your own gun! The guy said “and why is that? The cop said “because you have a gun!” The gentleman said “ you didn’t ask” would you consider that a death threat? And a crime?
That should be a felony, not a misdemeanor. Any official, elected or appointed, that lies about, misconstrues or violates the law to effect an arrest/charge/conviction should be charged with violating their oath of office and violation of the public trust. They should IMMEDIATELY be stripped of all authority/titles and be prohibited from holding any office/position anywhere in the state for life. They should also be prohibited from any recourse of appeal or pardon so they have to live the consequences of their actions for the rest of their life.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks I was kinda restating it, in kind..but you're right. It should be a higher crime if the people we trust to power basically betray that trust.
I was stopped by WSP. I as you have both my drivers license and CPL together. When I handed them to the trooper he abruptly said what is this I did not ask for this?? And then he handed back with body language that indicated to be I had offended him.
I was pulled over in Renton in 1999 I was 21 and had been pulled over for seatbelt. I informed the officer I had a firearm in the trunk, he called back up, over 15 cars responded. I no longer offer that information unless asked.
@@patrickglaser1560 I doubt that, I have a LONG juvenile felony history and one adult felony I was charged for as an adult for assault when i was 17, I spent 53 months in Monroe maximum security prison, now 22 years later I have my rights restored and a WA state CPL, I now CCW every moment, I get pulled over a few times a year and I assure you there has never been a riled up cop whos just read a flashing red screen . . .
@@navigator1372 Try moving to a non communist state. I've been pulled over in several states and never once have I encountered an officer that did not appreciate being informed that I was legally armed, never once has one called for backup or asked if they could search, only one has asked that I disarm and even he only asked that I lock the gun in my glove box until the stop was over and didn't insist or argue when I said no. I know for a fact that letting them know I was armed has brought officers a sense of relief and gotten me a warning instead of a ticket. I used to open carry a lot when riding my motorcycle and never have I encountered an issue because of it.
After trying to be the good guy and having two hours wasted in a cruiser, and after being asked about potentially hazardous things in my pockets and being searched before I could respond, I don't feel like saying anything more than absolutely necessary or volunteering anything or even talking to them for any reason. Period. Especially after the last two years. They're not on the public's side.
Thank you for speaking truth!!!!! The last 2 years have finally answered the question: "will police and military follow unconstitutional orders if they were told to"? We now know!!!
I find that there's two contradicting truths here. Yes the entire LE profession is a cluster fuck right now. However more than ever the average officer appreciates the lawful armed citizen. 20 years ago carrying in WA and dealing with LE was a very dangerous crap shoot, most over reacted. Today the most common reply is "good" and that is all.
@@snek9353 the problem is, the good cops refuse to take a stand....they either get fired or just quit.....that leaves a vacuum that is filled with jack boot thug order takers.
@@shuff1111 I don't in general disagree, refuse isn't the right word though, prevented would be more accurate. However that's neither here nor there on this topic. These days even most brutish thug officers appreciate lawfully armed citizens. The outliers are the more and more common SJW cops, almost always female, scared, and angry. The most dangerous cop you're likely to come across is the lone female.
Some states: "Tell the cop you have a gun." You in that state: "I have a gun." Also those states: "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?! OUT OF THE CAR AND ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW!"
I remove my carry firearm and store it in the glove box when driving. I was pulled over by State Patrol for exceeding the speed limit. When the trooper asked for my documents I handed over my license and cpl. Before opening my glove boxed I told the officer that before opening it I wanted to let you know that my firearm was in there. The officer responded by thanking me for letting him know and instructed me to go ahead and open the glove box. I gave him my info and he went to his car. Upon returning he said he wasn’t positive if he clocked me or the car beside me and let me go with a warning. He followed up by saying that he really appreciated me informing him about the firearm before opening the glove box. I honestly think that diffusing what could have been a tense moment is the reason I didn’t get a ticket.
My opinion is that what we have a right to do is also the right thing to do. Never over inform law enforcement for your own good, the 5th is there for your protection.
A couple years ago I had just bought a car and the temporary sticker was still in the back window. The window had tinting and he pulled me over because he couldn't see it. Upon his ( WSP) COMING UP TO THE WINDOW I ROLLED IT DOWN AND INFORMED HIM I WAS CARRYING A FIREARM AND HAD A CCP. HE THANKED ME FOR TELLING HIM AND ADVISED ME TO KEEP MY HANDS ON THE WHEEL. HE ASKED WHERE IT WAS, SHOLDER HOLSTER,HIP HOLSTER ETC. ONCE I GAVE HIM MY PAPERS. HE WAS VERY POLITE AND JUST VERIFIED THAT THE CAR WAS MINE AND GAVE ME BACK MY PAPERS AND WISHED ME A GREAT DAY... 👍 VERY COOL OFFICER.
The officer(s) shining the spotlight on your car at night will happen regardless as it's a tactic to conceal their movement while approaching your vehicle.
Out of Texas - Officer pulled over a pickup truck. Picked up the driver's license, insurance card and registration. As he turned back to the squad car the driver volunteered that he had a pistol. The officer said "You don't shoot at me and I won't shoot you". Awesome! Yes it was, 'at' and 'you' exactly.
We had a duty to "Promptly" notify any law enforcement officer in Ohio. I got pulled over in KY, and I informed them, and the guy said, "You don't have to tell us in KY, and we would prefer you didn't."
Telling a cop that you have firearm almost always escalates the traffic stop. We need to end qualified immunity and bring back responsible, respectful and accountable public servants.
I've always had a better experience after informing the officer. Most recently most stops have been... Officer - Sir are you armed today? Me - Of course Officer - Good, slow down, have a nice day.
Would love to know where your data for "most cases" comes from. In my anecdotal experience it doesn't change things much. There's plenty of youtube videos that demonstrate the same thing.
I'm in Texas and there is a "duty to inform" however this is where it gets sketchy as Texas is a constitutional carry state which means a license is not required to carry a firearm. So if you are licensed you are required to inform an officer however if you are not licensed then there is no duty to inform (dont blame me I didnt write the law but thats what it says). If I get pulled over I just keep my hands on the wheel and before reaching for anything I will say "sir/ma'am before I reach for anything I want to inform you I do have my pistol holstered at my 3 o'clock". They've always been appreciative and just said something like alright thanks I just need your license and insurance. Just simply letting them know has actually gotten me out of a couple tickets down to just warnings. Hell I had one night a deputy sheriff stopped me for failure to signal and he appreciated me telling him then after we had the intro and such out of the way asked me what I carry and what range I go to, I told him I was actually going to the range now. He was confused and said that its night time so what range is possibly open, so I told him theres a 24/7 keycard access range right down the street that I'd be happy to show him. He gave me a warning and asked if he could follow me to check out the range, I said sure and we went to the range together. TL:DR Like all your videos but as of Sept 2021 Texas is not a duty to inform state unless you possess a license to carry. It's just a respectful thing to do.
I was stopped for jaywalking in Portland OR in 2001. The officer approached me, and asked if I had any weapons on me, and I told him "yes, I have a knife in my pocket". He immediately took 3 steps back, pulled his gun, and ordered me to get on my knees. Long story short, the interaction ended about 10 minutes later, and I left with a ticket for jaywalking. But, should I have had a gun pointed at me for jaywalking? And, considering how nervous, twitchy, and just generally on edge so many officers are these days, this interaction could have very easily ended badly for me. I can't even imagine telling the wrong police officer I have a gun.
I moved here from Texas last year where I had my CHL. Weird that I had a duty to tell the officer I was carrying. I appreciate the work WK does. Very helpful to a newcomer to the state who is a strong supportive of the 2nd Amendment. I tell my non-2A supporters: "Remember. When seconds count, the police are minutes away." Stau safe folks and be vigilant.
I have been pulled over by a state trooper and handed him my drivers license and cpl permit together. And his rude response was “What is this? I did not ask for this and he give it abruptly back to me”. I thought I was being respectful. Evidently not! I do not know that I will present myself in this manner again.
Why would you do that though? Why would you not want the Cop to know you have a gun? And why would you not want to answer any other questions as well? Do you have no respect for cops?
@@cannotbeshaken7889Some cops take it as a threat if you tell them you have a gun. Never offer a cop information they didn't ask for, because anything you say CAN AND WILL BE used against you in a court of law. Cops ain't your friend, they are often either normies who see it as "just a job," and they don't know or care to know the laws, or, they are a power-hungry tyrant that gets off on exerting authority over others. There are a few whom are true patriotic sheepdogs, but I have yet to meet one. Most I know are cops because it pays the bills. They don't want to be heros, and they just want that pay check.
Thank you for this information. The last I had interactions with the police officer, I let him know that I had a concealed-carry immediately. He thanked me quite a few times for letting him know upfront. I'm not saying every officers going to be like that, or that you should tell the police officer that you have a firearm. I'm just passing on my experience. Thanks again
Whether or not I am carrying is ABSOLUTELY zero of their business. If I am lawfully carrying, I am no threat and it is none of their business. If I were unlawfully carrying, I would lie to them anyway. Either way, they won't know I am carrying.
They have car license and driver license criss referenced to CPL, so Dispatch will tell them. Given that they are trained to expect anyone may be armed, and given that CPL holder are much LESS likely to be criminals, that Dispatch call “may be armed” can only serve to escalate - which is what Democrats want..
The real question is do we have to let them Take your firearm Might be a personal thing but if they have to strip me of a firearm for a simple traffic ticket that makes me feel unsafe they feel the need to disarm someone
I agree, last thing I want to do is inform an officer of my pistol and then be asked to retrieve it or hand it over. Just doesn't sound like a good idea. Last time I checked you have the right to remain silent and cops ask questions to entrap you into saying something wrong.
THAT is a very complicated question. I say no, not in WA, many say yes, every officer would say yes. In reality if the officer asks, say you'd rather not, that there's no articulable reason and we're all safer leaving it where it is. However if they insist and you're not going to physically fight the officer you should comply.
Having seen how egregiously they typically mis-handle anything that isn't a Glock or 1911 style semi-auto pistol while trying to "clear" it, I honestly believe both of us would be much safer if they just left my pistol alone.
@@snek9353 don't have a CPL just so they can't go extra it's none of their business what's in the car plus Rolling with my two pits seems to help keep them from stepping out of line and not trying to go the extra mile to push their power
It never hurts to treat officers with repect. Part of that is advising them if there is a weapon in the vehicle or on your purpose. I’ve been stopped once in the last 20 years and when I advised him I had a gun in the vehicle on my person, and kept my hands on the wheel, I was not given a speeding ticket and the trooper wished me a good day and thanked me!
I do the exact same thing. I always keep my legally required documents in my glove box and my firearm in a safe that I have built into my center console. I thought I was just being clever by doing this but I'm glad to know that other people have been smart enough to do the same thing.
Whats better about concealed carry vs open carry? I'm a new gun owner and an old white lady. I want certain ppl t know that I can't be messed with. My son recently died and I have to get his belongings and am selling some of his belongings and I do not know this ppl at all. They are mostly 20 something males, my son had a cash business. I know my son was robbed a couple times, and honestly, since his death I don't feel like i have much to lose but I DO KNOW I'm not gonna be strong armed by a punk. Please.... I'm ;looking for your honest opinion.
I think my question was just answered. Si if I am driving, even with the gun in a holster on my hip, it's still considered concealed? I have to have a concealed license NO MATTER WHAT?
First I think you need someone to provide you training if you have not done so already. Defending your self with a pistol is not easy and it takes some practice. What city do you live near? There’s several training areas in our state. I do not recommend open carry. For several reasons. The main one is that if someone reports you and says they felt intimidated by you in some way because of your firearm you might loose your license. It’s just not good to advertise that you have one on you
With both hands on the wheel, telling the officer that I support law enforcement, am a lawful gun owner and that I have a firearm on my person (and where) seems to me to be a good way to communicate to the officer that I’m not a threat.
Very informative video. I've always assumed they would receive notification of cpl but never knew for sure. Thank you for clarifying this. I have not been pulled over since I've had my cpl so now I know Thank you.
Out of my 20 years of driving, the last 5 of which have been as a professional driver, I've been pulled over once. I had a tail light burned out, and before the cop could write me a ticket, I informed him I have a replacement bulb, and can change it out on the spot. He let me, and then sent me on my way, no ticket. So, my point is, you can avoid being pulled over entirely by doing these two things: 1. Know, observe, and obey traffic laws, 2. Keep your vehicle maintained, and keep spare parts and tools on hand. That's it. Like my dad taught me, "You don't get pulled over for speeding if you aren't speeding." That's why I use my cruise control, set it to the posted limit, and update as needed. If you don't get pulled over, you eliminate this firearm scenario entirely. I really don't get why y'all are always in such a damn hurry to get to the next red light, anyway. It's as if speeders don't realize traffic patterns are a thing, and it's gonna take X amount of time to get to Y destination. Speeding only wastes fuel, adds vehicle wear, puts you and others at risk (other vehicles assume you're going the speed limit when judging if they have time to pull out), and it won't get you to your destination so much sooner as to be worth a $300 or more ticket. Besides, if you get pulled over, it may be quite some time before you get to where you were going. Instead of arriving 30 seconds sooner, now you're 20 minutes late, and have to blow a day going to traffic court. So, be like a pro like me; drive well and well within the law, and never have to tell an officer you're armed. It ain't their business, so don't make it their business with reckless driving.
I was pulled over for making an illegal left turn in Spokane several years ago. It was about 2:00am and I had just left the train station with two hardass looking friends of mine. I put my head and both hands out the window and watched him approach and then told him, "Before we get started, I'd like you to know that I'm carrying a loaded pistol on a CPL." He asked me, "Why did you tell me that?" I told him, "Just out of respect for what you do. If you know I'm carrying, that takes the guesswork out of it for you, and you don't have to wonder about it." I then handed him my CPL, license, registration and insurance, he took a quick glance, handed them back, and told me to have a nice day. I shook his hand and thanked him for letting me off without a ticket. 👉👮👍👋
I do not live in WA but I've always seen it as basic civility to inform an officer, if pulled over, that I have a weapon on me whether they ask or not. I start by saying that I have a valid permit to carry and then I inform them I am armed. This seems to put an officer at ease, it shows them that I am concerned about not just my safety but theirs as well. That I understand the stress of their job, that I know they worry about a simple traffic stop possibly being the end of their life and do not want them to worry where I am concerned. Whether a law requires it or not, I believe it is the right thing to do and consider it to be common courtesy.
WA has some of the most arrogant hot headed, authority issue, douschey highway patrol in the country. And way too many on the road. Other states, you're lucky if you see 1 in a decade. WA every time you drive.
Where in Washington u live? I've had mostly good experiences in wa. 1 bad, 1 fishing expedition I nipped at the bud fast.most wa cops are cool from my experience I'm in Seattle, Everett.
Declaring I had a pistol has gotten me out of speeding citations more than once due to being respectful. I've only had one bad experience with a Spokane county sheriff deputy.
I got pulled over about two months ago by the Washington state patrol and did exactly as you did, handed them my drivers license and Washington State concealed pistol license and she immediately said you need to verbally tell me next time… so I guess next time I’ll just let them know I have a concealed pistol license and a firearm on board verbally.
Just cause they say something is a law doesn't mean shiot they make up B's all the time if you notice they can't give you the rcw half the tine they say it's a law and that's it
A Lakewood cop told me that they can see not just your CPL when they run your plates, but there's also a little known back page where they can see every handgun that's ever been transferred to you in WA.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Outside of the NFA the federal government has no legal right to maintain a registry however firearm registry at the state level had been viewed as a states rights issue. In WA it's only for transfers of handguns and "semiautomatic assault rifles" but there is in fact a registry.
Wild, I was told differently by a king co sheriff a few years ago. That said, every time ive informed a cop I'm carrying, they didn't care at all. They asked where it was, and told me not to pull it out.
Anyone with out dire need to go to Washington state should avoid it like the plague. No need to spend money there and give them your hard earned money.
You guys do realize that it's just Seattle and the surrounding area that is a shithole right? Avoid the stretch of I-5 from Olympia to Everett and the rest of the state is red as hell.
WA is a one party Democrat run state where politicians stay in office by cheating in all elections with fraudulent mail in ballots. This is the reason they changed to mail in ballots, so they could cheat.
I asked a friend of mine who was leo this question. He said that it would depend upon how green the officer looked. Seasoned leo, no problem. Super green leo, maybe not.
I ran into a challenge I keep my drivers and cpl in my wallet rear left pocket when I carry I holster 4 oclock. I don’t like to collect docs from wallet or glove box before the officer is next to me because I fear the moving around in the car could be miss interpreted (jumpy cop syndrome) so I wait till the officer is by my window and requests the paperwork. If I am armed getting to my wallet may expose my firearm so in that context before reaching for wallet i declare I have a cpl location of wallet, drivers, cpl and firearm before reaching for the docs. So far I have only good things to say about the police , very pleasant very professional a pleasure to engage with.
We have all our identifications, including our CPL laminated on one sheet. We give this ID to the officer. We either get a warning or ticket. We REFUSE to answer Cop's questions of an investigative nature, like "Where are you going, where have you been, etc. If cops are asking you questions, consider yourself under investigation for a crime.
I’ve been stopped a good number of times and for a simple traffic infraction I never declare that I’m carrying a firearm unless I’m asked to exit my vehicle. If ordered to exit the vehicle the my very next action is to notify the officer that I have my CPL and I am carrying. Other than that there’s no need to do anything.
in ky if you have the permit they know when they run your plates and seems to make it a lot nicer interaction sure they know your armed but they figure your pretty law abiding
Wow that's awesome, I've been told exactly the opposite by several law enforcement officers over the years. Maybe they didn't know better..? In any case, I would always give my CPL along with my WDL, just to be courteous. As you said, it will always improve the demeanor of the contact. I have never been treated badly by cops over this situation, and feel that it is because of honesty. We're all good guys, right??
I would rethink that course of action, if they are informed prior to the stop then what does handing them your cpl accomplish? Don't volunteer any information to an officer. Only time I would tell them is if I was asked to step out and it was on my person
@@treemaniac26 This is the one piece of information I will volunteer. These days most officers appreciate the lawful armed citizen. Having a CPL means we aren't criminals and carrying means we take responsibility and more than ever officers appreciate that. In over two decades of carry and over 100 traffic stops I've never had the outcome of a traffic stop be worse because I was armed.
@@treemaniac26 I was being semi sarcastic. However, I also have lived in the same small city for over 50 years and know most everyone. I'll keep an open mind, thank you.
Don't ask don't tell, if they ask if you're carrying a firearm tell them you are sorry but you won't be answering anymore questions without your attorney present
If you are pulled over and inform the LEO that you have a weapon do they have a legal right to remove it from your possession until the traffic stop is completed?
Interesting.. Though I already knew the answer. I was pulled over by a trooper (N.E. of Spokane), and I asked him specifically this question. He stated Not to say that you have a weapon. And Yes, I did in fact have a permit. And No, he did NOT Ask me whether I had a weapon. He did though mention Why...because a lot of the younger generation troopers are coming from big cities like Seattle or even California, and tend to be a bit on edge. Personally I don't volunteer ANY information other than what I am legally bound to..(license, registration, and insurance).
There’s an app called “CCW” that is very handy to answer questions like this and others, regarding where your state permit is recognized and duty to inform laws for each state.
Immediately upon contact envoke. Is a firearm a generalization or an ATF classification. Pistol, rifle, shotgun, AOW and firearm. 🤔 Firearm; powder actuated nail gun.🤯
Yeah, in New Yorkistan you don't have to tell them you're carrying unless the ask. I tell them right up front. LEO's around here don't want to deal with people carrying, legally or illegally. They'll usually check your permit and send you on your way without a ticket.
Thanks Bill...you do operate in an exalted status when in contact with law enforcement though, i cannot imagine a regular joe blo guaranteed to receive the same treatment as well. My experiences with cops is less conversation and disclosure will hasten my return to freedom
Thats what I was taught to do, hand them my license and cpl. However, when I got pulled over one time and I handed the officer both, he handed my cpl back, thanked me for carrying a cpl and told my I don’t need to show it because it comes up when they run my license.
Last time I was pulled over in Washington I was driving a company truck. "Do you know why I pulled you over" "before we get onto that I just want you to know I have a revolver on my hip" "please step out of the vehicle" "I need to unbuckle my seatbelt which is right next to my pistol" "go ahead" I unbuckled the seatbelt and stepped out amd let the wsp officer take my gun. He set it in his car and when he arrested me for a suspected DUI (I wasn't drunk, just smelled like beer). I gave him all 3 forms of id I had including my drivers license, tsa clearance card and military id. The rest of the time he kept saying "thank you for not fighting" over and over again and I had no reason to fight him and I thought it was weird. He thought I was a drunk combat veteran and that scared the shit out of him. He was polite and professional and I didn't put up any resistance and we had a polite conversation on the way to the station while they bought my son dinner. Wsp was very nice and polite but they didn't do their due diligence in the case and I ended up having to plead to a DUI i didn't do because the prosecutor charge stacked me because she knew I was innocent and wanted a win anyways.
It's 6:20 in the evening, if I get pulled over, and my weapon comes up to them, and I do not have it in my car because I left it home, do they have a right to search my car, with a search warrant because they think I'm being dishonest and not disclosing that information
Thank you for giving the states where you have a duty to present information! I like to travel and its great to make the street cop feel more comfortable on their everyday job where their life is on the line
Awesome video and thank you. One question I can’t seem to find an answer to is. If you are engaged by a fish and wildlife officer for “inspection” should you notify them? This video probably answers my question, but want to be sure. Thanks again.
Big question is if they ask for it do you have to give it to them? I have been requested and provided then they put it on the roof of my car that to me is careless.
It would be nice if Washington had a law that stated "it is a gross misdemeanor for a public servant to lie to the public."
Agreed
I saw a video online in Yakima of a police gang unit officer telling a person don’t move or I will shoot you with your own gun! The guy said “and why is that? The cop said “because you have a gun!” The gentleman said “ you didn’t ask” would you consider that a death threat? And a crime?
Absolutely
That should be a felony, not a misdemeanor. Any official, elected or appointed, that lies about, misconstrues or violates the law to effect an arrest/charge/conviction should be charged with violating their oath of office and violation of the public trust. They should IMMEDIATELY be stripped of all authority/titles and be prohibited from holding any office/position anywhere in the state for life. They should also be prohibited from any recourse of appeal or pardon so they have to live the consequences of their actions for the rest of their life.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks I was kinda restating it, in kind..but you're right. It should be a higher crime if the people we trust to power basically betray that trust.
I was stopped by WSP. I as you have both my drivers license and CPL together. When I handed them to the trooper he abruptly said what is this I did not ask for this?? And then he handed back with body language that indicated to be I had offended him.
No duty to inform, unless they ask.
Why should we inform a public servant we are exercising a constitutional right they swore to defend.
Some people want to die but are too chicken shit to do it themselves.
I was pulled over in Renton in 1999 I was 21 and had been pulled over for seatbelt. I informed the officer I had a firearm in the trunk, he called back up, over 15 cars responded. I no longer offer that information unless asked.
The cop obviously thought the gun was laying next to the body. That's the way they think.
@@patrickglaser1560 I doubt that, I have a LONG juvenile felony history and one adult felony I was charged for as an adult for assault when i was 17, I spent 53 months in Monroe maximum security prison, now 22 years later I have my rights restored and a WA state CPL, I now CCW every moment, I get pulled over a few times a year and I assure you there has never been a riled up cop whos just read a flashing red screen . . .
Exactly. Hence my comment. Anytime a firearm is mentioned they escalate. That's another why open carry is a bad idea. Papers please
If asked I eould say I don't answer those kinds of questions. Fuk them. They stand against the constitution
@@navigator1372 Try moving to a non communist state. I've been pulled over in several states and never once have I encountered an officer that did not appreciate being informed that I was legally armed, never once has one called for backup or asked if they could search, only one has asked that I disarm and even he only asked that I lock the gun in my glove box until the stop was over and didn't insist or argue when I said no. I know for a fact that letting them know I was armed has brought officers a sense of relief and gotten me a warning instead of a ticket. I used to open carry a lot when riding my motorcycle and never have I encountered an issue because of it.
After trying to be the good guy and having two hours wasted in a cruiser, and after being asked about potentially hazardous things in my pockets and being searched before I could respond, I don't feel like saying anything more than absolutely necessary or volunteering anything or even talking to them for any reason. Period.
Especially after the last two years. They're not on the public's side.
Thank you for speaking truth!!!!!
The last 2 years have finally answered the question: "will police and military follow unconstitutional orders if they were told to"? We now know!!!
I find that there's two contradicting truths here. Yes the entire LE profession is a cluster fuck right now. However more than ever the average officer appreciates the lawful armed citizen.
20 years ago carrying in WA and dealing with LE was a very dangerous crap shoot, most over reacted. Today the most common reply is "good" and that is all.
@@snek9353 the problem is, the good cops refuse to take a stand....they either get fired or just quit.....that leaves a vacuum that is filled with jack boot thug order takers.
@@shuff1111 I don't in general disagree, refuse isn't the right word though, prevented would be more accurate. However that's neither here nor there on this topic. These days even most brutish thug officers appreciate lawfully armed citizens.
The outliers are the more and more common SJW cops, almost always female, scared, and angry. The most dangerous cop you're likely to come across is the lone female.
@@snek9353 There is no such thing as an "average officer". At least not one that follows the law and protects our rights.
Some states: "Tell the cop you have a gun."
You in that state: "I have a gun."
Also those states: "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?! OUT OF THE CAR AND ON THE GROUND! DO IT NOW!"
I remove my carry firearm and store it in the glove box when driving. I was pulled over by State Patrol for exceeding the speed limit. When the trooper asked for my documents I handed over my license and cpl. Before opening my glove boxed I told the officer that before opening it I wanted to let you know that my firearm was in there. The officer responded by thanking me for letting him know and instructed me to go ahead and open the glove box. I gave him my info and he went to his car. Upon returning he said he wasn’t positive if he clocked me or the car beside me and let me go with a warning. He followed up by saying that he really appreciated me informing him about the firearm before opening the glove box. I honestly think that diffusing what could have been a tense moment is the reason I didn’t get a ticket.
My opinion is that what we have a right to do is also the right thing to do. Never over inform law enforcement for your own good, the 5th is there for your protection.
A couple years ago I had just bought a car and the temporary sticker was still in the back window.
The window had tinting and he pulled me over because he couldn't see it.
Upon his ( WSP) COMING UP TO THE WINDOW I ROLLED IT DOWN AND INFORMED HIM I WAS CARRYING A FIREARM AND HAD A CCP.
HE THANKED ME FOR TELLING HIM AND ADVISED ME TO KEEP MY HANDS ON THE WHEEL. HE ASKED WHERE IT WAS, SHOLDER HOLSTER,HIP HOLSTER ETC. ONCE I GAVE HIM MY PAPERS.
HE WAS VERY POLITE AND JUST VERIFIED THAT THE CAR WAS MINE AND GAVE ME BACK MY PAPERS AND WISHED ME A GREAT DAY... 👍
VERY COOL OFFICER.
If you get pulled over at night, turn on the dome light so they won't be so inclined to blind you with a powerful flashlight.
EXCELLENT IDEA!!!
And don't stick your hands out the window.
The officer(s) shining the spotlight on your car at night will happen regardless as it's a tactic to conceal their movement while approaching your vehicle.
@@JD-gn6du
Correct,
We were trained that way in the academy in San Diego.
That’s what my dad always taught me when he would get pulled over
Out of Texas - Officer pulled over a pickup truck. Picked up the driver's license, insurance card and registration. As he turned back to the squad car the driver volunteered that he had a pistol. The officer said "You don't shoot at me and I won't shoot you". Awesome! Yes it was, 'at' and 'you' exactly.
Answer is always NO!!!! Or I am not answering any questions.
We had a duty to "Promptly" notify any law enforcement officer in Ohio. I got pulled over in KY, and I informed them, and the guy said, "You don't have to tell us in KY, and we would prefer you didn't."
LOLOLOLOL In Kentucky they assume EVERYONE has a gun at all times.
Alot of time it depends on the cop.
Yes I had the same exact situation last year lol
@@bestgrandma2844yup how cop should already be thinking if they wanna retire so but also they have to keep in mind that not everyone is a criminal
Same in New Mexico
Telling a cop that you have firearm almost always escalates the traffic stop. We need to end qualified immunity and bring back responsible, respectful and accountable public servants.
I've always had a better experience after informing the officer. Most recently most stops have been...
Officer - Sir are you armed today?
Me - Of course
Officer - Good, slow down, have a nice day.
A B S O L U T E L Y ! !
No qualified immunity in WA sometimes I carry my grandpa's service revolver gets positive feedback . vet / scout 🦅
Would love to know where your data for "most cases" comes from. In my anecdotal experience it doesn't change things much. There's plenty of youtube videos that demonstrate the same thing.
Bullshit
I'm in Texas and there is a "duty to inform" however this is where it gets sketchy as Texas is a constitutional carry state which means a license is not required to carry a firearm. So if you are licensed you are required to inform an officer however if you are not licensed then there is no duty to inform (dont blame me I didnt write the law but thats what it says). If I get pulled over I just keep my hands on the wheel and before reaching for anything I will say "sir/ma'am before I reach for anything I want to inform you I do have my pistol holstered at my 3 o'clock". They've always been appreciative and just said something like alright thanks I just need your license and insurance. Just simply letting them know has actually gotten me out of a couple tickets down to just warnings. Hell I had one night a deputy sheriff stopped me for failure to signal and he appreciated me telling him then after we had the intro and such out of the way asked me what I carry and what range I go to, I told him I was actually going to the range now. He was confused and said that its night time so what range is possibly open, so I told him theres a 24/7 keycard access range right down the street that I'd be happy to show him. He gave me a warning and asked if he could follow me to check out the range, I said sure and we went to the range together.
TL:DR Like all your videos but as of Sept 2021 Texas is not a duty to inform state unless you possess a license to carry. It's just a respectful thing to do.
I hand over CPL with my license also. Every time, their reply has been "you don't pull yours, I won't pull mine" or similar words. Perfect.
Nope, unless they ask.
Every one of those States you named off is violating your right to remain silent.
Those laws violate constitutional law.
Which makes it non-void.
Several people have been killed by nervous officers when they answer yes.
They have attached your CPL and vehicle license they know you have a CPL when they run your plate.
My father is a criminal defense attorney out of Spokane. He gave me the same advice when I got my CCL.
That section between Cashmere and Wenatchee is a continual speed trap.
I was stopped for jaywalking in Portland OR in 2001. The officer approached me, and asked if I had any weapons on me, and I told him "yes, I have a knife in my pocket". He immediately took 3 steps back, pulled his gun, and ordered me to get on my knees. Long story short, the interaction ended about 10 minutes later, and I left with a ticket for jaywalking. But, should I have had a gun pointed at me for jaywalking? And, considering how nervous, twitchy, and just generally on edge so many officers are these days, this interaction could have very easily ended badly for me. I can't even imagine telling the wrong police officer I have a gun.
I moved here from Texas last year where I had my CHL. Weird that I had a duty to tell the officer I was carrying. I appreciate the work WK does. Very helpful to a newcomer to the state who is a strong supportive of the 2nd Amendment. I tell my non-2A supporters: "Remember. When seconds count, the police are minutes away." Stau safe folks and be vigilant.
I have been pulled over by a state trooper and handed him my drivers license and cpl permit together. And his rude response was “What is this? I did not ask for this and he give it abruptly back to me”. I thought I was being respectful. Evidently not! I do not know that I will present myself in this manner again.
This is why we have a constitutional right to remain silent and not answer ANY questions.
Why would you do that though? Why would you not want the Cop to know you have a gun? And why would you not want to answer any other questions as well? Do you have no respect for cops?
You have the right to remain silent against self incrimination. If legally carrying, what is the self incrimination involved?
@@cannotbeshaken7889Some cops take it as a threat if you tell them you have a gun.
Never offer a cop information they didn't ask for, because anything you say CAN AND WILL BE used against you in a court of law.
Cops ain't your friend, they are often either normies who see it as "just a job," and they don't know or care to know the laws, or, they are a power-hungry tyrant that gets off on exerting authority over others. There are a few whom are true patriotic sheepdogs, but I have yet to meet one. Most I know are cops because it pays the bills. They don't want to be heros, and they just want that pay check.
I have very little respect for most law enforcement since they are the ones that tyrants use to disarm us and do so willingly most of time.
Thank you for this information. The last I had interactions with the police officer, I let him know that I had a concealed-carry immediately. He thanked me quite a few times for letting him know upfront. I'm not saying every officers going to be like that, or that you should tell the police officer that you have a firearm. I'm just passing on my experience. Thanks again
Whether or not I am carrying is ABSOLUTELY zero of their business. If I am lawfully carrying, I am no threat and it is none of their business. If I were unlawfully carrying, I would lie to them anyway. Either way, they won't know I am carrying.
They have car license and driver license criss referenced to CPL, so Dispatch will tell them. Given that they are trained to expect anyone may be armed, and given that CPL holder are much LESS likely to be criminals, that Dispatch call “may be armed” can only serve to escalate - which is what Democrats want..
Peer. My sentiments exactly.
The real question is do we have to let them Take your firearm
Might be a personal thing but if they have to strip me of a firearm for a simple traffic ticket that makes me feel unsafe they feel the need to disarm someone
I agree, last thing I want to do is inform an officer of my pistol and then be asked to retrieve it or hand it over. Just doesn't sound like a good idea. Last time I checked you have the right to remain silent and cops ask questions to entrap you into saying something wrong.
THAT is a very complicated question. I say no, not in WA, many say yes, every officer would say yes.
In reality if the officer asks, say you'd rather not, that there's no articulable reason and we're all safer leaving it where it is. However if they insist and you're not going to physically fight the officer you should comply.
Having seen how egregiously they typically mis-handle anything that isn't a Glock or 1911 style semi-auto pistol while trying to "clear" it, I honestly believe both of us would be much safer if they just left my pistol alone.
@@Tom_Losh the law gives them a inch then they take it to max cuz they know they got protection or just get to claim ops I didn't know
@@snek9353 don't have a CPL just so they can't go extra it's none of their business what's in the car plus
Rolling with my two pits seems to help keep them from stepping out of line and not trying to go the extra mile to push their power
Thank you for the service you are providing all of us.
It never hurts to treat officers with repect. Part of that is advising them if there is a weapon in the vehicle or on your purpose. I’ve been stopped once in the last 20 years and when I advised him I had a gun in the vehicle on my person, and kept my hands on the wheel, I was not given a speeding ticket and the trooper wished me a good day and thanked me!
It NEVER hurts? Alot of people get shot by police by being kind.
Rule #1 never test your luck on a cop. It could end your life
New Jersey also mandates that you immediately inform law enforcement you’re armed on contact.
I do the exact same thing. I always keep my legally required documents in my glove box and my firearm in a safe that I have built into my center console. I thought I was just being clever by doing this but I'm glad to know that other people have been smart enough to do the same thing.
Always remember your mirada rights. What you say, can and will be used against you. Be truthful and honest. That goes along way.
The right thing is to not have people who swore an oath to the US and State contestation NOT commit TREASON! Attacking my rights!
That's a double negative, your saying we need oath-breakers semantically
I showed this video to my family. We're all Concealed Carry. Thank you for the information
Whats better about concealed carry vs open carry? I'm a new gun owner and an old white lady. I want certain ppl t know that I can't be messed with. My son recently died and I have to get his belongings and am selling some of his belongings and I do not know this ppl at all. They are mostly 20 something males, my son had a cash business. I know my son was robbed a couple times, and honestly, since his death I don't feel like i have much to lose but I DO KNOW I'm not gonna be strong armed by a punk.
Please.... I'm ;looking for your honest opinion.
I think my question was just answered. Si if I am driving, even with the gun in a holster on my hip, it's still considered concealed? I have to have a concealed license NO MATTER WHAT?
First I think you need someone to provide you training if you have not done so already. Defending your self with a pistol is not easy and it takes some practice. What city do you live near? There’s several training areas in our state. I do not recommend open carry. For several reasons. The main one is that if someone reports you and says they felt intimidated by you in some way because of your firearm you might loose your license. It’s just not good to advertise that you have one on you
I agree, but now I know I didn't violate when I forgot to tell I was not armed.
With both hands on the wheel, telling the officer that I support law enforcement, am a lawful gun owner and that I have a firearm on my person (and where) seems to me to be a good way to communicate to the officer that I’m not a threat.
Best response… I don’t answer questions.
I have a right to remain silent and have my lawyer present for any questioning. Enough said.
I always teach that you yell "iv got a gun!" While waiving it out the window to alert the officer and the rest of the public. /s
Jesus H Christ ...wave it out the window sounds like a good way to get shot . In a traffic stop holding a gun does not even sound right . Cheers
LOL!
I’m gonna say it again THIS CHANNEL IS A BLESSING!
Very informative video. I've always assumed they would receive notification of cpl but never knew for sure. Thank you for clarifying this. I have not been pulled over since I've had my cpl so now I know
Thank you.
Out of my 20 years of driving, the last 5 of which have been as a professional driver, I've been pulled over once. I had a tail light burned out, and before the cop could write me a ticket, I informed him I have a replacement bulb, and can change it out on the spot. He let me, and then sent me on my way, no ticket.
So, my point is, you can avoid being pulled over entirely by doing these two things:
1. Know, observe, and obey traffic laws,
2. Keep your vehicle maintained, and keep spare parts and tools on hand.
That's it.
Like my dad taught me, "You don't get pulled over for speeding if you aren't speeding." That's why I use my cruise control, set it to the posted limit, and update as needed.
If you don't get pulled over, you eliminate this firearm scenario entirely. I really don't get why y'all are always in such a damn hurry to get to the next red light, anyway. It's as if speeders don't realize traffic patterns are a thing, and it's gonna take X amount of time to get to Y destination. Speeding only wastes fuel, adds vehicle wear, puts you and others at risk (other vehicles assume you're going the speed limit when judging if they have time to pull out), and it won't get you to your destination so much sooner as to be worth a $300 or more ticket. Besides, if you get pulled over, it may be quite some time before you get to where you were going. Instead of arriving 30 seconds sooner, now you're 20 minutes late, and have to blow a day going to traffic court.
So, be like a pro like me; drive well and well within the law, and never have to tell an officer you're armed. It ain't their business, so don't make it their business with reckless driving.
I was pulled over for making an illegal left turn in Spokane several years ago. It was about 2:00am and I had just left the train station with two hardass looking friends of mine. I put my head and both hands out the window and watched him approach and then told him, "Before we get started, I'd like you to know that I'm carrying a loaded pistol on a CPL."
He asked me, "Why did you tell me that?"
I told him, "Just out of respect for what you do. If you know I'm carrying, that takes the guesswork out of it for you, and you don't have to wonder about it."
I then handed him my CPL, license, registration and insurance, he took a quick glance, handed them back, and told me to have a nice day.
I shook his hand and thanked him for letting me off without a ticket. 👉👮👍👋
Yeah that thing has got me out of a 100 mph + ticket 🎯👊👊
@@jeroldpickard947 They've always appreciated a little 'upfront honesty' with me also. 👍
I do not live in WA but I've always seen it as basic civility to inform an officer, if pulled over, that I have a weapon on me whether they ask or not. I start by saying that I have a valid permit to carry and then I inform them I am armed. This seems to put an officer at ease, it shows them that I am concerned about not just my safety but theirs as well. That I understand the stress of their job, that I know they worry about a simple traffic stop possibly being the end of their life and do not want them to worry where I am concerned. Whether a law requires it or not, I believe it is the right thing to do and consider it to be common courtesy.
Thanks Kirk.
WA has some of the most arrogant hot headed, authority issue, douschey highway patrol in the country. And way too many on the road. Other states, you're lucky if you see 1 in a decade. WA every time you drive.
Where in Washington u live? I've had mostly good experiences in wa. 1 bad, 1 fishing expedition I nipped at the bud fast.most wa cops are cool from my experience I'm in Seattle, Everett.
Declaring I had a pistol has gotten me out of speeding citations more than once due to being respectful. I've only had one bad experience with a Spokane county sheriff deputy.
I got pulled over about two months ago by the Washington state patrol and did exactly as you did, handed them my drivers license and Washington State concealed pistol license and she immediately said you need to verbally tell me next time… so I guess next time I’ll just let them know I have a concealed pistol license and a firearm on board verbally.
Woman cop. They're more uptight and bossy in my experience.
Great example of an officer who doesn't know the law they are supposed to enforce, and exactly why I would not hand them my cpl or inform them.
Just cause they say something is a law doesn't mean shiot they make up B's all the time if you notice they can't give you the rcw half the tine they say it's a law and that's it
She lied to you.
@@treemaniac26 EXACTLY
Thanks. I’ve been meaning to ask this question for awhile.
A Lakewood cop told me that they can see not just your CPL when they run your plates, but there's also a little known back page where they can see every handgun that's ever been transferred to you in WA.
Are you sure about that? I know they can see your CPL but seeing handgun transfers is an illegal registry and can easily get the state sued.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Handguns transfered in WA state are in a registry. I've never heard of that being illegal.
@@curtisogden3965 All gun registries are illegal federally, as stated by the Supreme Court.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Outside of the NFA the federal government has no legal right to maintain a registry however firearm registry at the state level had been viewed as a states rights issue. In WA it's only for transfers of handguns and "semiautomatic assault rifles" but there is in fact a registry.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- the atf has a data bas of ffls that have shut down
The government don't give a fck about are rights
Your videos are much appreciated, no frills, just facts. Thank you.
Wild, I was told differently by a king co sheriff a few years ago. That said, every time ive informed a cop I'm carrying, they didn't care at all. They asked where it was, and told me not to pull it out.
Well said!
Anyone with out dire need to go to Washington state should avoid it like the plague. No need to spend money there and give them your hard earned money.
We travel to Idaho to spend all our money. Maybe one day Washington will wise up.
You guys do realize that it's just Seattle and the surrounding area that is a shithole right? Avoid the stretch of I-5 from Olympia to Everett and the rest of the state is red as hell.
Good, we have enough transplants.
WA is a one party Democrat run state where politicians stay in office by cheating in all elections with fraudulent mail in ballots.
This is the reason they changed to mail in ballots, so they could cheat.
I'm from wenatchee thats cool u swung through my area
Well done Mr. Kirk! Thank you for making this video!
In my state the it's the same. My Concealed carry license is cross referenced with my driver's license.
I asked a friend of mine who was leo this question. He said that it would depend upon how green the officer looked. Seasoned leo, no problem. Super green leo, maybe not.
Thank you
Thank you, Sir. I appreciate the balance you describe for this situation.
I ran into a challenge I keep my drivers and cpl in my wallet rear left pocket when I carry I holster 4 oclock. I don’t like to collect docs from wallet or glove box before the officer is next to me because I fear the moving around in the car could be miss interpreted (jumpy cop syndrome) so I wait till the officer is by my window and requests the paperwork. If I am armed getting to my wallet may expose my firearm so in that context before reaching for wallet i declare I have a cpl location of wallet, drivers, cpl and firearm before reaching for the docs. So far I have only good things to say about the police , very pleasant very professional a pleasure to engage with.
I put my registration and proof of insurance up in the sunvisor so I don’t have to reach around
We have all our identifications, including our CPL laminated on one sheet. We give this ID to the officer. We either get a warning or ticket. We REFUSE to answer Cop's questions of an investigative nature, like "Where are you going, where have you been, etc. If cops are asking you questions, consider yourself under investigation for a crime.
Thanks
Between Wenatchee and Cashmere is a great place to get pulled over.
I’ve been stopped a good number of times and for a simple traffic infraction I never declare that I’m carrying a firearm unless I’m asked to exit my vehicle. If ordered to exit the vehicle the my very next action is to notify the officer that I have my CPL and I am carrying. Other than that there’s no need to do anything.
in ky if you have the permit they know when they run your plates and seems to make it a lot nicer interaction sure they know your armed but they figure your pretty law abiding
Wow that's awesome, I've been told exactly the opposite by several law enforcement officers over the years. Maybe they didn't know better..?
In any case, I would always give my CPL along with my WDL, just to be courteous. As you said, it will always improve the demeanor of the contact. I have never been treated badly by cops over this situation, and feel that it is because of honesty.
We're all good guys, right??
I would rethink that course of action, if they are informed prior to the stop then what does handing them your cpl accomplish? Don't volunteer any information to an officer. Only time I would tell them is if I was asked to step out and it was on my person
@@treemaniac26 This is the one piece of information I will volunteer. These days most officers appreciate the lawful armed citizen. Having a CPL means we aren't criminals and carrying means we take responsibility and more than ever officers appreciate that. In over two decades of carry and over 100 traffic stops I've never had the outcome of a traffic stop be worse because I was armed.
@@snek9353 You have been pulled over 100 times in the last two decades??? WTF?
@@joebauers3746 Yup, I've driven a lot of interesting vehicles interestingly.
@@treemaniac26 I was being semi sarcastic. However, I also have lived in the same small city for over 50 years and know most everyone. I'll keep an open mind, thank you.
It states that you do not have to tell them.
Great video. Common sense and being responsible is always the way to go.
In my state you do.... Minnesota... if you have a CCW... if you are a criminal you do not....
I agree with you I give them my cpl with my drivers license, to my benefit I have not got a citation when I have the one time I didn't i was cited.
Great talk thanks Good advice. 👍
You guys are great. Keep up the good fight. FJB
Don't ask don't tell, if they ask if you're carrying a firearm tell them you are sorry but you won't be answering anymore questions without your attorney present
If you are pulled over and inform the LEO that you have a weapon do they have a legal right to remove it from your possession until the traffic stop is completed?
They can probably legally shoot you for mentioning it. So id say yes.
THAT is a very complicated question. I say no, not in WA, many say yes, every officer would say yes.
He said Duty
About the only good thing he said.
Where' is Alfred Hitchcock when you need a good BM joke.
Toilet 🚽
Yes you do in NC. If. You. Have. A. Concieled carry. !
"Where can a shoot recreationally" i.e woods my property ect?? would like to see a vid on this also. thanks in advance!
Awesome. Good video. Thank you
Thank you for the video, I agree that letting them know is the better plan.
Interesting..
Though I already knew the answer.
I was pulled over by a trooper (N.E. of Spokane), and I asked him specifically this question.
He stated Not to say that you have a weapon. And Yes, I did in fact have a permit. And No, he did NOT Ask me whether I had a weapon.
He did though mention Why...because a lot of the younger generation troopers are coming from big cities like Seattle or even California, and tend to be a bit on edge.
Personally I don't volunteer ANY information other than what I am legally bound to..(license, registration, and insurance).
There’s an app called “CCW” that is very handy to answer questions like this and others, regarding where your state permit is recognized and duty to inform laws for each state.
Immediately upon contact envoke.
Is a firearm a generalization or an ATF classification.
Pistol, rifle, shotgun, AOW and firearm. 🤔
Firearm; powder actuated nail gun.🤯
He said NO.
Yeah, in New Yorkistan you don't have to tell them you're carrying unless the ask. I tell them right up front. LEO's around here don't want to deal with people carrying, legally or illegally. They'll usually check your permit and send you on your way without a ticket.
In Oregon the police will know if you have a concealed carry permit as soon as they run your plates.
Thanks Bill...you do operate in an exalted status when in contact with law enforcement though, i cannot imagine a regular joe blo guaranteed to receive the same treatment as well.
My experiences with cops is less conversation and disclosure will hasten my return to freedom
Thats what I was taught to do, hand them my license and cpl. However, when I got pulled over one time and I handed the officer both, he handed my cpl back, thanked me for carrying a cpl and told my I don’t need to show it because it comes up when they run my license.
You have the right to remain silent. Don't talk to cops.
Last time I was pulled over in Washington I was driving a company truck. "Do you know why I pulled you over" "before we get onto that I just want you to know I have a revolver on my hip" "please step out of the vehicle" "I need to unbuckle my seatbelt which is right next to my pistol" "go ahead" I unbuckled the seatbelt and stepped out amd let the wsp officer take my gun. He set it in his car and when he arrested me for a suspected DUI (I wasn't drunk, just smelled like beer). I gave him all 3 forms of id I had including my drivers license, tsa clearance card and military id. The rest of the time he kept saying "thank you for not fighting" over and over again and I had no reason to fight him and I thought it was weird. He thought I was a drunk combat veteran and that scared the shit out of him. He was polite and professional and I didn't put up any resistance and we had a polite conversation on the way to the station while they bought my son dinner. Wsp was very nice and polite but they didn't do their due diligence in the case and I ended up having to plead to a DUI i didn't do because the prosecutor charge stacked me because she knew I was innocent and wanted a win anyways.
It's 6:20 in the evening, if I get pulled over, and my weapon comes up to them, and I do not have it in my car because I left it home, do they have a right to search my car, with a search warrant because they think I'm being dishonest and not disclosing that information
Thank you for giving the states where you have a duty to present information! I like to travel and its great to make the street cop feel more comfortable on their everyday job where their life is on the line
Awesome video and thank you. One question I can’t seem to find an answer to is. If you are engaged by a fish and wildlife officer for “inspection” should you notify them? This video probably answers my question, but want to be sure. Thanks again.
I know this video is a year old yet I'm curious if there have been any changes to this.
Thank you Mr Kirk
In Oregon it’s not the Law but it’s a great idea to keep them calm
Big question is if they ask for it do you have to give it to them? I have been requested and provided then they put it on the roof of my car that to me is careless.